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When the population of muslims finally overwhelms the atheist population of Europe we can finally be free of your colonialism and war-mongering Genocide.






Naaaa, Im just playing with you. But seriously for good or for bad, whites will be a minority in the homeland of the whites within this century. Possibly even our lifetimes.http://seanbryson.com/articles/last_white_days.html


Edit: For those of you dim bulbs out there I mean Europe, with the U.S soon to follow. I'll get affirmative action soon! YAY!

where the hell do you people come from??!

Yeah, but Middle Easterners and Muslims won't be the majority. It's going to be pretty mixed, with no majority religion or ethnic group.

where the hell do you people come from??!

The Homeland Of The Whites, apparently?

The Homeland Of The Whites, apparently?

Scandinavia? Iceland? Greenland oh wait *head explodes*

The Homeland Of The Whites, apparently?

I'm not entirely sure about that...I don't think s/he is European...if so then the part about atheists would not have been mentioned...?!??!?!

Eitherway - nutter.

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

Did I say we shouldn't? Sheesh you wacko's sure know how to transplant word's into my mouth.

The Homeland Of The Whites, apparently?

We must find the Homeland of the Whites.

We must find the Homeland of the Whites.

Just left of the Godless Commies...

wait...this hasn't already happened?!

sexy orientals FTW!

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

If they want it, they can work for it just like we did. Come to think of it, a good 3 billion of those non-whites are doing a pretty damn good job of it right about now. The rest will come along in due time, give or take a few years.

When the population of muslims finally overwhelms the atheist population of Europe we can finally be free of your colonialism and war-mongering Genocide.


Naaaa, Im just playing with you. But seriously for good or for bad, whites will be a minority in the homeland of the whites within this century. Possibly even our lifetimes.http://seanbryson.com/articles/last_white_days.html


Edit: For those of you dim bulbs out there I mean Europe, with the U.S soon to follow. I'll get affirmative action soon! YAY!

What the hell are you smoking?

We must find the Homeland of the Whites.

I probably should have said Europe, but if you don't understand you shouldn't be reading in the first place.

Scandinavia? Iceland? Greenland oh wait *head explodes*


That hurt!!! i am from Iceland

Just left of the Godless Commies...

Hollywood?

We must find the Homeland of the Whites.

I know a good stretch of beach in the eastern Med that isn't being used by anyone too important. Let's make that the White Homeland! Whiteland, we can call it.

I know a good stretch of beach in the eastern Med that isn't being used by anyone too important. Let's make that the White Homeland! Whiteland, we can call it.

I think Antarctica is pretty white.... Doh!

Hollywood?

Nah...thats up just past the Jewish Controlled Media....

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! But really, what's so strange about the way I worded Europe. Whites settled there first just like asians did to asia.

I probably should have said Europe, but if you don't understand you shouldn't be reading in the first place.

There is no "homeland" for any race, just like there's no such thing as a "white" culture. It's massively insulting and denigrating to the accomplishments of Europeans and their distinctive cultures (all of which are influenced by non-European elements and have been for centuries) to lump all of them together in to some kind of magical white culture that stands in opposition to the others.

People migrate, people emigrate and people settle. That's the basic pattern that has been in place forever and has led to every culture being changed and adapted by others.

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! But really, what's so strange about the way I worded Europe. Whites settled there first just like asians did to asia.

Isn't that San Francisco?

Errr... what the fuck are you talking about?

white land debating

White land

a tough clayey soil, of a whitish hue when dry, but blackish after rain.

lets hope it doesn't rain on the parade :eek:

Isn't that San Francisco?

No thats the homeland of the Queers.

Errr... what the fuck are you talking about?

Exactly.

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! But really, what's so strange about the way I worded Europe. Whites settled there first just like asians did to asia.

actually Europe was first settled (as Neanderthals got pushed into the IT department) by Turks so "yay" for brown-ish-but-also-white-if-you-get-what-I-mean people

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! But really, what's so strange about the way I worded Europe. Whites settled there first just like asians did to asia.

So? First come first serve doesn't mean anything, especially considering how often whites took land from other whites during world history. If we really want to get in to it, white Europeans originated in Africa and migrated outward from there, along with other ethnic groups with common African ancestors.

And, of course, there's the ethnic mixing that has happened virtually non-stop since the beginning of mankind, completely eliminating any chance of there being such a thing as a "pure" white, black, Asian, whatever...we all have common ancestors whether we like it or not.

actually Europe was first settled (as Neanderthals got pushed into the IT department) by Turks so "yay" for brown-ish-but-also-white-if-you-get-what-I-mean people

We're all Caucasians...which means Caucasians are being displaced by, well, other Caucasians. The only real concern is the nutty ones who bring ignorant and violent ideas like Wahabism with them (and even of them only a fairly small number ever resort to terror), and they'll be gradually eliminated over time as long as European countries make efforts to assimilate them.

So? First come first serve doesn't mean anything, especially considering how often whites took land from other whites during world history. If we really want to get in to it, white Europeans originated in Africa and migrated outward from there, along with other ethnic groups with common African ancestors.

And, of course, there's the ethnic mixing that has happened virtually non-stop since the beginning of mankind, completely eliminating any chance of there being such a thing as a "pure" white, black, Asian, whatever...we all have common ancestors whether we like it or not.

Yea, and soon enough all the "colors" will be mixed. I was just saying whites are disappearing faster than the other "races". All Empires and groups in power fall eventually, it was bound to happen to "whites" sooner or later.

Yea, and soon enough all the "colors" will be mixed. I was just saying whites are disappearing faster than the other "races". All Empires and groups in power fall eventually, it was bound to happen to "whites" sooner or later.

Yeah, that's the way things go. It's not a bad thing, either, because those empires only fall once they've become stagnant and corrupt.

Did I say we shouldn't? Sheesh you wacko's sure know how to transplant word's into my mouth.

Of course, this is NSG. Then again, you should try and make an actual point in an OP to be debated, not just an unfunny joke and a sentence of already obvious information.

If they want it, they can work for it just like we did. Come to think of it, a good 3 billion of those non-whites are doing a pretty damn good job of it right about now. The rest will come along in due time, give or take a few years.

Indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't help them along, both financially and organisationally.

Well, sept the asians, they seem to be doing a good job of staying ethnically pure.

Indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't help them along, both financially and organisationally.

Definitely.

Well, sept the asians, they seem to be doing a good job of staying ethnically pure.

You say that as if it is a commendable thing?

Yeah, that's the way things go. It's not a bad thing, either, because those empires only fall once they've become stagnant and corrupt.

Keep in mind that someone will replace us whites, and most likly, they will be just as bad or even worse than we were during the 16, 17 and 18 hundreds.

You say that as if it is a commendable thing?

Given this poster's history of anti-intellectualism, does that really surprise you?

You say that as if it is a commendable thing?

Nope, just sayin, and they seem to be doing a good job of it.

Given this poster's history of anti-intellectualism, does that really surprise you?

This is a pimp talking. Ignore him.

Well, sept the asians, they seem to be doing a good job of staying ethnically pure.

they do?

they do?

Well, im talking of the Chinese,Japanese,Koreans and Veitnamese, im not sure about the others.

Given this poster's history of anti-intellectualism, does that really surprise you?

'Tis true, 'tis true.

Well, im talking of the Chinese,Japanese,Koreans and Veitnamese, im not sure about the others.

Define 'ethnically pure'.

This is a pimp talking.

Word.

Well, im talking of the Chinese,Japanese,Koreans and Veitnamese, im not sure about the others.

*buys Asian bride*

hmmm...you seem to be wrong

Define 'ethnically pure'.[/QUOTE]

I mean two things, one they don't have a whole lot of immigration the U.S and Europe has all colors, they just have one. I also mean they stay chinese ect ethnically, they don't interbreed alot.

*buys Asian bride*

hmmm...you seem to be wrong

Oooo, someones into sex slavery.

Oooo, someones into sex slavery.

and some unlucky soul will be getting into the kitchen :D

I mean two things, one they don't have a whole lot of immigration the U.S and Europe has all colors, they just have one. I also mean they stay chinese ect ethnically, they don't interbreed alot.

You'll find a lot do 'interbreed', they just emigrate to another country to do it. 'Asian' (and a rather bad definition of it as well) countries have large amounts of emigration so have a relatively homogeneous ethnicity, countries like the US and UK have high immigration so have a huge variety of ethnicities.

You seem to still be treading a fine line of whether you are saying this is a good thing or not.

You'll find a lot do 'interbreed', they just emigrate to another country to do it. 'Asian' (and a rather bad definition of it as well) countries have large amounts of emigration so have a relatively homogeneous ethnicity, countries like the US and UK have high immigration so have a huge variety of ethnicities.

You seem to still be treading a fine line of whether you are saying this is a good thing or not.

Well, as long they they don't go on a racial charged genocide I don't really care either way.

Scandinavia? Iceland? Greenland oh wait *head explodes*

*mops up the blood, grey matter, etc.*

I mean two things, one they don't have a whole lot of immigration the U.S and Europe has all colors, they just have one. I also mean they stay chinese ect ethnically, they don't interbreed alot.

You are aware that there are over 50 ethnic groups in China?

You are aware that there are over 50 ethnic groups in China?

No! No! They're all brown!

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

No "we" shouldn't. We should enjoy being economically better off than the rest of the world, by not giving them hand outs.

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

Or better yet, stop treating them like children and let them find their own indigenous solutions that work best for them. Free trade (so they can more easily sell us their stuff), more cultural exchanges, and more volunteer workers would help, too.

No "we" shouldn't. We should enjoy being economically better off than the rest of the world, by not giving them hand outs.

terrorist attacks FTW!

terrorist attacks FTW!

Why? Because we aren't giving Johnny Foreigner hand outs? Oh, very well reasoned.

Okay, here's how immigration often goes:

First Generation: Strongly holds onto customs, culture, language of 'old country,' though often making attempts to learn language and ways of their new country (sometimes successful, sometimes not so much).

Second Generation: Still fairly traditional and fluent in old language and customs, but is also quite capably fluent in the new country's language and norms.

Third Generation: More fluent in new country's culture and language than in old. Sometimes knows the language of 'the old country,' but often isn't very fluent, sometimes doesn't know the language. Culture of the 'old country' more just a part of their identity than a way of life. Is as comfortable in the 'new country's culture and norms as any of their peers.


This of course is not always true, being a generalization, but this is roughly the way it happens often enough. By the time the grandkids come along, the immigrants are no longer really immigrants and have been assimilated into the populace, though often keeping some aspects of their ancestral land's culture. Assimilation can be slowed when a population forms enclaves in which they associate only with themselves, but likely as not it will still eventually happen.

In the 1800's and early 1900's, there was a big scare about immigrants in this country. Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Poles and other folk that people decided were too weird and foreign. Very few people have a problem with these immigrants now, as they have more or less been absorbed into society fully at this point, though often keeping some traditions from their ancestral homelands.

I suspect that in fifty, maybe a hundred years, the current immigration scare, both here in the US, and in Europe, will be history and people will have other things to worry about.

Why? Because we aren't giving Johnny Foreigner hand outs? Oh, very well reasoned.

Actually, I could almost understand a terrorist attack where the perpetrators say, "Send food and medicine to [insert favorite country] or we will destroy more of your buildings and kill more of your citizens." It's the ones where they want you to change religions and cover up your women that boggle the mind.

Why? Because we aren't giving Johnny Foreigner hand outs? Oh, very well reasoned.

maybe if we give them our freedoms they will get Bush to stop...

maybe if we give them our freedoms they will get Bush to stop...

Sorry, but this is utterly beyond me. I'm sure you are making a point, but I've just got back from the pub, and really can't make anything of that....:p

Sorry, but this is utterly beyond me. I'm sure you are making a point, but I've just got back from the pub, and really can't make anything of that....:p

I was thinking you would make the leap of thought that maybe when Pakistan closed public schools it suddenly became terrorism land

I was thinking you would make the leap of thought that maybe when Pakistan closed public schools it suddenly became terrorism land

I probably will in the morning. £2 double Bells and coke all night have killed my mind.:(

Well, as long they they don't go on a racial charged genocide I don't really care either way.

Your mind wanders like a drunk with a limp.

Your mind wanders like a drunk with a limp.

Thank you. But if you are trying to insult me, try harder. I have been called far worse by others.

I probably will in the morning. £2 double Bells and coke all night have killed my mind.:(

cocaine for my brain?

Thank you. But if you are trying to insult me, try harder. I have been called far worse by others.
That's not really much of a surprise, as you are spouting uneducated drivel about races remaining ethnically pure.

Sounds like this thread has degenerated into the usual name calling and should be shut down.

Well, first off all populations will crash within the next century.

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

That's not really much of a surprise, as you are spouting uneducated drivel about races remaining ethnically pure.

Hehe, name calling huh? Very mature, I won't ever take you seriously again.

Well, first off all populations will crash within the next century.

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

They're only a minority if you regard them as such.

Some of us have transcended the silly notion of race.

Well, first off all populations will crash within the next century.

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

Why is it wrong?

Well, first off all populations will crash within the next century.

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

When I say that I get called names from all the adult mature people on this forum.

The amount of ignorance in this thread amazes me. I don't think "white" people are going to go away. Why? Because of that wonderful place called South/Central America where white people seem to be breeding like rabbits, must be something in the water.

Some short statistics for the weak of heart;

Brazil - 93,096 million White people (49.7% of the population, will hit over 50% soon within the next 40 years).

Argentina - 33/37.5 million white people 86.4% to 97% of the population (depending if one counts mixed race)

Chile - Chile's ethnic structure can be classified as 30% pure white, 5% pure Native American and 65% predominantly white blooded mestizos

Colombia - 58% of the population is mestizo, or of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry, while 20% is of European ancestry. Another 14% is mulatto, or of mixed black African and European ancestry, while 4% is of black African ancestry and 3% are zambos, of mixed black African and Amerindian ancestry

Paraguay - About 65% of the people are mestizos of mixed Spanish and Guaraní Indian descent. White 31%, unmixed Amerindian 1%

Uruguay - Approximately 88% of its population are of prevalently white European descent



So yeah. Also South America has one of the worlds highest birth rates. Guess it is simply a matter of Europeans saying "f*** you" to europe, eradicating/mingling with the South American populations and replacing them surely but effectively (in the 1920's the Brazilian white population was less then 30%,...).

Of course if one does not count people originating from mainly Spain/Portugal as "white" then that's their issue,...
In short it's simply good old migrations. The Europeans have found the Americas as their new home, the Arabs/Turks (Who ironically are also Caucasian, considering Syria or Tunisia have more blond people than Italy, one could also make an argument they are white as well) have found Europe as their new home. The world goes on.

Hehe, name calling huh? Very mature, I won't ever take you seriously again.

He/she didn't call you any names.

Sounds like this thread has degenerated into the usual name calling and should be shut down.

I personally don't think it should of been made at all really, its not news and its not even scary

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong?

no people are allowed to not have children, hell we already have too many lets be the big people here seeing as we are the ones with all the education

Hehe, name calling huh? Very mature, I won't ever take you seriously again.

wait....this is a serious thread!?

SNIP

oddly race is following the Earths rotation....

The amount of ignorance in this thread amazes me. I don't think "white" people are going to go away. Why? Because of that wonderful place called South/Central America where white people seem to be breeding like rabbits, must be something in the water.

Some short statistics for the weak of heart;

Brazil - 93,096 million White people (49.7% of the population, will hit over 50% soon within the next 40 years).

Argentina - 33/37.5 million white people 86.4% to 97% of the population (depending if one counts mixed race)

Chile - Chile's ethnic structure can be classified as 30% pure white, 5% pure Native American and 65% predominantly white blooded mestizos

Colombia - 58% of the population is mestizo, or of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry, while 20% is of European ancestry. Another 14% is mulatto, or of mixed black African and European ancestry, while 4% is of black African ancestry and 3% are zambos, of mixed black African and Amerindian ancestry

Paraguay - About 65% of the people are mestizos of mixed Spanish and Guaraní Indian descent. White 31%, unmixed Amerindian 1%

Uruguay - Approximately 88% of its population are of prevalently white European descent



So yeah. Also South America has one of the worlds highest birth rates. Guess it is simply a matter of Europeans saying "f*** you" to europe, eradicating/mingling with the South American populations and replacing them surely but effectively (in the 1920's the Brazilian white population was less then 30%,...).

Of course if one does not count people originating from mainly Spain/Portugal as "white" then that's their issue,...
In short it's simply good old migrations. The Europeans have found the Americas as their new home, the Arabs/Turks (Who ironically are also Caucasian, considering Syria or Tunisia have more blond people than Italy, one could also make an argument they are white as well) have found Europe as their new home. The world goes on.

Well! Thats good news! No melanomin humans won't become extinct!

Well! Thats good news! No melanomin humans won't become extinct!

Why is it even relevant?

Maybe international investment and development in third world countries, like the mideast, will slow down birthrates world-wide, stop the concentration of population in few key areas, and will encourage immigration to be a two-way street.

Or maybe we should freak out about teh muslims and there insidious secret plot to slowly invade Europe. You know, its not my choice.

I suspect that in fifty, maybe a hundred years, the current immigration scare, both here in the US, and in Europe, will be history and people will have other things to worry about.

It will be the immigration of penguins that they'll be worried about then. :p

There would only be a civil war because the white supremacists don't want to be "polluted" by other skin colors.

Maybe international investment and development in third world countries, like the mideast, will slow down birthrates world-wide, stop the concentration of population in few key areas, and will encourage immigration to be a two-way street.

Or maybe we should freak out about teh muslims and there insidious secret plot to slowly invade Europe. You know, its not my choice.

how dare you bring reason and understanding to this thread! :p

...trying to bring any logic and reason to the hate game sheeesh

These were posts that somehow managed to say something worthwhile, despite the unedifying context of the thread:

Yeah, but Middle Easterners and Muslims won't be the majority. It's going to be pretty mixed, with no majority religion or ethnic group.

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.

We must find the Homeland of the Whites.

If they want it, they can work for it just like we did. Come to think of it, a good 3 billion of those non-whites are doing a pretty damn good job of it right about now. The rest will come along in due time, give or take a few years.

Just left of the Godless Commies...Hollywood?

I think Antarctica is pretty white.... Doh!

There is no "homeland" for any race, just like there's no such thing as a "white" culture. It's massively insulting and denigrating to the accomplishments of Europeans and their distinctive cultures (all of which are influenced by non-European elements and have been for centuries) to lump all of them together in to some kind of magical white culture that stands in opposition to the others.

People migrate, people emigrate and people settle. That's the basic pattern that has been in place forever and has led to every culture being changed and adapted by others.

actually Europe was first settled (as Neanderthals got pushed into the IT department) by Turks so "yay" for brown-ish-but-also-white-if-you-get-what-I-mean people

So? First come first serve doesn't mean anything, especially considering how often whites took land from other whites during world history. If we really want to get in to it, white Europeans originated in Africa and migrated outward from there, along with other ethnic groups with common African ancestors.

And, of course, there's the ethnic mixing that has happened virtually non-stop since the beginning of mankind, completely eliminating any chance of there being such a thing as a "pure" white, black, Asian, whatever...we all have common ancestors whether we like it or not.

We're all Caucasians...which means Caucasians are being displaced by, well, other Caucasians. The only real concern is the nutty ones who bring ignorant and violent ideas like Wahabism with them (and even of them only a fairly small number ever resort to terror), and they'll be gradually eliminated over time as long as European countries make efforts to assimilate them.

Yea, and soon enough all the "colors" will be mixed. I was just saying whites are disappearing faster than the other "races". All Empires and groups in power fall eventually, it was bound to happen to "whites" sooner or later.

Of course, this is NSG. Then again, you should try and make an actual point in an OP to be debated, not just an unfunny joke and a sentence of already obvious information.


Well, sept the asians, they seem to be doing a good job of staying ethnically pure.You say that as if it is a commendable thing?

You'll find a lot do 'interbreed', they just emigrate to another country to do it. 'Asian' (and a rather bad definition of it as well) countries have large amounts of emigration so have a relatively homogeneous ethnicity, countries like the US and UK have high immigration so have a huge variety of ethnicities.

You seem to still be treading a fine line of whether you are saying this is a good thing or not.

You are aware that there are over 50 ethnic groups in China?

Okay, here's how immigration often goes:

First Generation: Strongly holds onto customs, culture, language of 'old country,' though often making attempts to learn language and ways of their new country (sometimes successful, sometimes not so much).

Second Generation: Still fairly traditional and fluent in old language and customs, but is also quite capably fluent in the new country's language and norms.

Third Generation: More fluent in new country's culture and language than in old. Sometimes knows the language of 'the old country,' but often isn't very fluent, sometimes doesn't know the language. Culture of the 'old country' more just a part of their identity than a way of life. Is as comfortable in the 'new country's culture and norms as any of their peers.

*...*

In the 1800's and early 1900's, there was a big scare about immigrants in this country. Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Poles and other folk that people decided were too weird and foreign. Very few people have a problem with these immigrants now, as they have more or less been absorbed into society fully at this point, though often keeping some traditions from their ancestral homelands.

I suspect that in fifty, maybe a hundred years, the current immigration scare, both here in the US, and in Europe, will be history and people will have other things to worry about.

Actually, I could almost understand a terrorist attack where the perpetrators say, "Send food and medicine to [insert favorite country] or we will destroy more of your buildings and kill more of your citizens." It's the ones where they want you to change religions and cover up your women that boggle the mind.

Sorry, but this is utterly beyond me. I'm sure you are making a point, but I've just got back from the pub, and really can't make anything of that....:p

Your mind wanders like a drunk with a limp.

Sounds like this thread has degenerated into the usual name calling and should be shut down.

They're only a minority if you regard them as such.

Some of us have transcended the silly notion of race.


The amount of ignorance in this thread amazes me. I don't think "white" people are going to go away. Why? Because of that wonderful place called South/Central America where white people seem to be breeding like rabbits, must be something in the water.

Some short statistics for the weak of heart;

Brazil - 93,096 million White people (49.7% of the population, will hit over 50% soon within the next 40 years).

Argentina - 33/37.5 million white people 86.4% to 97% of the population (depending if one counts mixed race)

Chile - Chile's ethnic structure can be classified as 30% pure white, 5% pure Native American and 65% predominantly white blooded mestizos

Colombia - 58% of the population is mestizo, or of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry, while 20% is of European ancestry. Another 14% is mulatto, or of mixed black African and European ancestry, while 4% is of black African ancestry and 3% are zambos, of mixed black African and Amerindian ancestry

Paraguay - About 65% of the people are mestizos of mixed Spanish and Guaraní Indian descent. White 31%, unmixed Amerindian 1%

Uruguay - Approximately 88% of its population are of prevalently white European descent

*...*

In short it's simply good old migrations. The Europeans have found the Americas as their new home, the Arabs/Turks (Who ironically are also Caucasian, considering Syria or Tunisia have more blond people than Italy, one could also make an argument they are white as well) have found Europe as their new home. The world goes on.

He/she didn't call you any names.

*...*
Hehe, name calling huh? Very mature, I won't ever take you seriously again.
wait....this is a serious thread!?

Maybe international investment and development in third world countries, like the mideast, will slow down birthrates world-wide, stop the concentration of population in few key areas, and will encourage immigration to be a two-way street.

*...*

how dare you bring reason and understanding to this thread! :p

...trying to bring any logic and reason to the hate game sheeesh

These are posts which I didn't like. They either seemed incorrect, or they were flame-related.

*...*
But seriously for good or for bad, whites will be a minority in the homeland of the whites within this century. Possibly even our lifetimes.http://seanbryson.com/articles/last_white_days.html


What the hell are you smoking?

There is no "homeland" for any race, just like there's no such thing as a "white" culture. It's massively insulting and denigrating to the accomplishments of Europeans and their distinctive cultures (all of which are influenced by non-European elements and have been for centuries) to lump all of them together in to some kind of magical white culture that stands in opposition to the others.

People migrate, people emigrate and people settle. That's the basic pattern that has been in place forever and has led to every culture being changed and adapted by others.



Errr... what the fuck are you talking about?

lets hope it doesn't rain on the parade :eek:

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! Isn't that San Francisco?No thats the homeland of the Queers.

Given this poster's history of anti-intellectualism, does that really surprise you?This is a pimp talking. Ignore him.



Define 'ethnically pure'.

I mean two things, one they don't have a whole lot of immigration the U.S and Europe has all colors, they just have one. I also mean they stay chinese ect ethnically, they don't interbreed alot.

*buys Asian bride*

hmmm...you seem to be wrongOooo, someones into sex slavery.

No "we" shouldn't. We should enjoy being economically better off than the rest of the world, by not giving them hand outs.

terrorist attacks FTW!Why? Because we aren't giving Johnny Foreigner hand outs? Oh, very well reasoned.

That's not really much of a surprise, as you are spouting uneducated drivel about races remaining ethnically pure.

Well, first off all populations will crash within the next century.

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

When I say that I get called names from all the adult mature people on this forum.

Well! Thats good news! No melanomin humans won't become extinct!

Don't worry, Kontor. You are well represented in the next post!

These posts were just icky.

*...*
Edit: For those of you dim bulbs out there I mean Europe, with the U.S soon to follow. I'll get affirmative action soon! YAY!

I probably should have said Europe, but if you don't understand you shouldn't be reading in the first place.

If you want to take it that far let's make a homeland of the QUEER'S! But really, what's so strange about the way I worded Europe. Whites settled there first just like asians did to asia.

No thats the homeland of the Queers.

Well, sept the asians, they seem to be doing a good job of staying ethnically pure.

Keep in mind that someone will replace us whites, and most likly, they will be just as bad or even worse than we were during the 16, 17 and 18 hundreds.

This is a pimp talking. Ignore him.

*buys Asian bride*

hmmm...you seem to be wrong

Define 'ethnically pure'.

I mean two things, one they don't have a whole lot of immigration the U.S and Europe has all colors, they just have one. I also mean they stay chinese ect ethnically, they don't interbreed alot.

Oooo, someones into sex slavery.

No "we" shouldn't. We should enjoy being economically better off than the rest of the world, by not giving them hand outs.

terrorist attacks FTW!

maybe if we give them our freedoms they will get Bush to stop...

Your mind wanders like a drunk with a limp.


Sounds like this thread has degenerated into the usual name calling and should be shut down.

*...*

Second off, wtf. Come on Europe, make babies! Whites becoming a minority in Europe?! WTF. Doesn't that seem a little...odd? Surprising? Even wrong? If another ethnic group became the minority in their country it would be seen as wrong and a travesty, but when it happens to whites- no one cares. It is applauded, even. There's nothing wrong with immigration- but so much immigration that your original group becomes the minority? That would be wrong anywhere- be it Europe, China, Japan, India, or anywhere!

Hehe, name calling huh? Very mature, I won't ever take you seriously again.

Well! Thats good news! No melanomin humans won't become extinct!

There would only be a civil war because the white supremacists don't want to be "polluted" by other skin colors.

Now, someone flame me for my flagrant arrogance in judging a whole thread.

I don't care. I wred the stupid thread, and I'll dump four posts on the end of it for nothing more than bloody-minded thirst for vengeance.

Kontor, what a shocker. Everyone else, cool well kept.

I like mixing ethnicities, pie, not so much.

When the population of muslims finally overwhelms the atheist population of Europe we can finally be free of your colonialism and war-mongering Genocide.






Naaaa, Im just playing with you. But seriously for good or for bad, whites will be a minority in the homeland of the whites within this century. Possibly even our lifetimes.http://seanbryson.com/articles/last_white_days.html


Edit: For those of you dim bulbs out there I mean Europe, with the U.S soon to follow. I'll get affirmative action soon! YAY!




UK? The last census I saw for them in 2000 or maybe 2001 had them 92% White. Whites seem fine by me.

I love the idea of this 'homeland of the whites'.

In countries where we study the history of (I assume he means... it is a he, right?) Europe, it's a pretty dismal catalogue of group after group after group, whacking each other over the head, stealing the women, burning the villages to the ground, and then hanging around waiting for the next one to come do the same to you.

'Homeleand of The Whites" my arse. It's been homogenous in the same way that an atomic blast is.

But I don't care about these Stormfront-for-beginners meanderings. I'm a citizen of the world, and can't be defined by such petty constraints.

I love the idea of this 'homeland of the whites'.

In countries where we study the history of (I assume he means... it is a he, right?) Europe, it's a pretty dismal catalogue of group after group after group, whacking each other over the head, stealing the women, burning the villages to the ground, and then hanging around waiting for the next one to come do the same to you.

'Homeleand of The Whites" my arse. It's been homogenous in the same way that an atomic blast is.

But I don't care about these Stormfront-for-beginners meanderings. I'm a citizen of the world, and can't be defined by such petty constraints.




Then you reject the idea of homeland of any race then?

I love the idea of this 'homeland of the whites'.

In countries where we study the history of (I assume he means... it is a he, right?) Europe, it's a pretty dismal catalogue of group after group after group, whacking each other over the head, stealing the women, burning the villages to the ground, and then hanging around waiting for the next one to come do the same to you.

Damn. I should have stuck with maths. :(

The problem with Europe is that you can walk from one country to another.
A properly designed planet would have lots of roughly equally-good islands.
I.e., not History's fault. Blame a Geographer. ;)

But I don't care about these Stormfront-for-beginners meanderings. I'm a citizen of the world, and can't be defined by such petty constraints.

Oh, that's lovely. I was going to hold my peace to keep from bumping this piece-of-shit thread any more, but that's just too good.

In fact, I'm almost inspired to become a citizen of the world myself, and prove it by bloody well emigrating!

I loved the article the OP linked to. It was rather silly and some parts made me laugh.

Last week the US Census Bureau issued figures showing that non-hispanic whites made up 49.8 per cent of the population of California.
Anglo-Saxon whites are already a minority in Hawaii and the District of Columbia. Now they are an ethnic minority in the country's most populous state, the one most usually identified with the American dream.
This part was pretty funny. I love how the author specifically has to mention NON-HISPANIC whites because when we say white we don't mean all whites we just mean white white? And what's the deal with California most usually identified with the American dream? I thought that was... umm... the whole country or if I had to point to one state, then New York. Furthermore, why would Hawaii have a majority white population? Wouldn't it have a majority Hawaiian population? Did it ever have a majority white population?

What does it mean to be "white" anyway? We have to specify non-hispanic and hispanic white these days? Does white apply only to Anglo-Saxon? What about the Spanish, Italians, and Hungarians? Are they white too?

Where California goes, the rest of America is predicted to follow.
Uh-huh. I think the author needs to examine the size and diversity of the United States. Immigrants aren't pouring into the whole country, but just specific sections. Why does this matter? This is not a new phenomena. Immigrants have been coming into the United States for centuries.

One of the founders, Jeff Anderson, said: 'We are suggesting the US be partitioned into states for blacks, whites, hispanics, and so on, along with multi-racial states for those who wish to continue with this experiment. Now is the time to begin such a multi-racial dialogue about separatism, before a storm of violent racial conflict erupts.'
Now that's just scary. No one is talking about separatism except these crazy "omg the race must be kept pure" types. In my view, discussion of separatism sounds like discussion of treason. The United States does not belong to any one ethnicity; the term "American" should be all encompassing and all inclusive.

However, the UN's State of the World Population 1999 predicted that 98 per cent of the growth in the world's population by 2025 will occur in lesser developed regions, principally Africa and Asia. The most significant reason for this is lower birth rates in rich countries: in 61 countries, mainly the rich ones, people are no longer having enough babies to replace themselves.
This is a good development! Overpopulation hurts the economy and stresses government services. Smaller families have more money because they don't spend it all on tons of kids. Developing nations are in transition and tend to have very large family sizes still because of agrarian pasts or various other reasons. I would bet when those countries are considered "developed," then the family sizes will begin to shrink dramatically.

The global centre of gravity is changing. In 1900 Europe had a quarter of the world's population, and three times that of Africa; by 2050 Europe is predicted to have just 7 per cent of the world population, and a third that of Africa.
I bet Europe will have huge percentages of the world's wealth and political power though. Population is irrelevant and will become a problem for countries. Big populations need more food and water and fuel. A growing nation will struggle to provide all of that and poverty will be more prevalent.

In Britain the number of ethnic minority citizens has risen from a few tens of thousands in the 1950s, to more than 3 million - or around 6 per cent of the total population. While the number of whites is virtually static, higher fertility and net immigration means the number from ethnic minorities is growing by 2 to 3 per cent a year.
I wonder how many immigrants are coming in from parts of the world that were once part of the British Empire. It's all well and good to spread your systems and culture around the world through colonization, but when people start coming to your country and want to live under that same old system people raise a stink. Maybe if they were "white" people wouldn't care as if being white suddenly makes you part of British culture. A white dude from Russia is going to be just as foreign as a brown dude from India and they both have equal capacity to adopt British customs over time.


Anyway, I really don't get what the hysteria is all about. In a few generations all of the descendants of these immigrants will have been raised in the UK or the US and they will identify more with those cultures than their "native" cultures. Why? Because their "native" culture would actually be British or American respectively. The only reason they would not identify with those cultures is if a bunch of people keep shouting at them that they aren't "white," so their culture is something different. This is especially true in the United States, which has never in its history been culturally or ethnically homogeneous. The United States' only civil war was fought between the ethnically "white" north and the ethnically "white" south... The United States has a strong national identity that does not count race or ethnicity as a prerequisite. Thus, a society with multiple ethnicities has existed and will continue to exist.

Anyone who thinks that a country like the United States is ethnically or culturally homogeneous is completely unfamiliar with this country. My home state of Michigan is very different than the state of Arizona or the state of Alabama. Still, all three states are, well, united. They have a bond that is not rooted in ethnicity, race, or even language. "Non-hispanic whites" aren't going to disappear or be ethnically cleansed just because they may not be in the majority. The people pulling the levers of government and running the show are all Americans be they black, white, yellow, or green. And furthermore, they're still in the majority because the other 51% of the population is split between multiple ethnic groups, so the entire (invalid) concern is based on a misconception!

In conclusion, who cares if you have some neighbors who aren't "white"? They're going to be doing pretty much the exact same thing a white neighbor would do: wake up, eat, go to work, come home, watch TV, go to bed. They're going to develop the same weird accent as you in a few years and their kids will be just as angsty and difficult as yours. The non-whites aren't going to rampage across Europe or the Anglo-sphere, raping and pillaging and smashing down white culture and history. There's no need to urge people to overpopulate their families, plunging them into poverty either. The Earth could benefit from a decline in human population and not having too many kids is a wonderful alternative to plague, war or famine... don't you think?

Wow... this post is way too long. Thanks to anyone who read the whole thing.

*snip, tl, dnr*

Wow... this post is way too long. Thanks to anyone who read the whole thing.

Gimme five. The last line was great!

EDIT: Now I feel bad about that, so I wred some more.

What does it mean to be "white" anyway? We have to specify non-hispanic and hispanic white these days? Does white apply only to Anglo-Saxon? What about the Spanish, Italians, and Hungarians? Are they white too?

Real Whites know what it means. It means the progeny of them and their fullblood siblings. Preferably sisters.

*looks very hard at self*

I'm pretty sure that's funny. Tell me if I'm wrong.

There would only be a civil war because the white supremacists don't want to be "polluted" by other skin colors.

BS.

Read the book about the possible Civil War 2. It is online in pdf format somewhere.

Also, ever heard of Aztlan? The call for the Mexican reconquest of the Southwest? Scary shit.

BS.

Read the book about the possible Civil War 2. It is online in pdf format somewhere.

Fire up your printer. Print the post you just made out on a nice sheet of recycled paper.

Now find someone who is obliged to treat you civilly. Perhaps a senior staffer at your local supermarket.

Show them the post and ask them what they think. I guarantee you they will laugh, and if you haven't given the game away by looking too serious, will ask "What fucktard wrote that crap?" or some equivalent in your national vernacular.

Also, ever heard of Aztlan? The call for the Mexican reconquest of the Southwest? Scary shit.

OK, my bad. I failed to get the joke ... again!

*groan*

Whatever man. Just be wary. Look at crime statistics. Especially cross-racial crime. Makes you look at things a bit differently.

Gang members are also enlisting in the military to gain combat training. Many of the things to look out for in the book have already happened, or are on the verge of occurring.

where the hell do you people come from??!

I don't know where they come from. I do know where they can go and what they can do when they get there....

Whatever man. Just be wary. Look at crime statistics. Especially cross-racial crime. Makes you look at things a bit differently.

Gang members are also enlisting in the military to gain combat training. Many of the things to look out for in the book have already happened, or are on the verge of occurring.

If you mean "that online book somewhere in pdf format" then -- no. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I'll drink, but you have to lead a bit better than that.

.....
Real Whites know what it means. It means the progeny of them and their fullblood siblings. Preferably sisters.

*looks very hard at self*

I'm pretty sure that's funny. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Your wrong, you sounded really moronic.

When the population of muslims finally overwhelms the atheist population of Europe we can finally be free of your colonialism and war-mongering Genocide.






Naaaa, Im just playing with you. But seriously for good or for bad, whites will be a minority in the homeland of the whites within this century. Possibly even our lifetimes.http://seanbryson.com/articles/last_white_days.html


Edit: For those of you dim bulbs out there I mean Europe, with the U.S soon to follow. I'll get affirmative action soon! YAY!

I think a "European Islamic Protectorate" would be disgusting. But it is very unlikely. Europe is mostly ethnic European today and they are getting more and more anti-immigrant already. Look at recent developments in Switzerland and Denmark with anti-immigrant parties coming 1st and 3rd respectively.

If you want to discuss about immigration, I think you should do it without the "doomsday" predictions.

If you want to discuss about immigration, I think you should do it without the "doomsday" predictions.And if you want to complain about European immigration laws, you should do it with a European passport ;)

Paraguay - About 65% of the people are mestizos of mixed Spanish and Guaraní Indian descent. White 31%, unmixed Amerindian 1%

Umm, no. Paraguay is 95% mestizo. Not that it matters, but it still.

And if you want to complain about European immigration laws, you should do it with a European passport ;)

I have German citizenship actually. And I cant even speak much German. ;)

I have German citizenship actually. And I cant even speak much German. ;)Vote much?

The amount of ignorance in this thread amazes me. I don't think "white" people are going to go away. Why? Because of that wonderful place called South/Central America where white people seem to be breeding like rabbits, must be something in the water.

Some short statistics for the weak of heart;

Brazil - 93,096 million White people (49.7% of the population, will hit over 50% soon within the next 40 years).

Argentina - 33/37.5 million white people 86.4% to 97% of the population (depending if one counts mixed race)

Chile - Chile's ethnic structure can be classified as 30% pure white, 5% pure Native American and 65% predominantly white blooded mestizos

Colombia - 58% of the population is mestizo, or of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry, while 20% is of European ancestry. Another 14% is mulatto, or of mixed black African and European ancestry, while 4% is of black African ancestry and 3% are zambos, of mixed black African and Amerindian ancestry

Paraguay - About 65% of the people are mestizos of mixed Spanish and Guaraní Indian descent. White 31%, unmixed Amerindian 1%

Uruguay - Approximately 88% of its population are of prevalently white European descent



So yeah. Also South America has one of the worlds highest birth rates. Guess it is simply a matter of Europeans saying "f*** you" to europe, eradicating/mingling with the South American populations and replacing them surely but effectively (in the 1920's the Brazilian white population was less then 30%,...).

Of course if one does not count people originating from mainly Spain/Portugal as "white" then that's their issue,...
In short it's simply good old migrations. The Europeans have found the Americas as their new home, the Arabs/Turks (Who ironically are also Caucasian, considering Syria or Tunisia have more blond people than Italy, one could also make an argument they are white as well) have found Europe as their new home. The world goes on.

You should note that the definition of whiteness is different in different world regions. Someone who is considered white in Latin America may not be considered white in Europe and N. America. Latin Americans seem to "stretch" the definition of who is white.

I have German citizenship actually. And I cant even speak much German. ;)

Wow.... wenn dein deutsch so gut ist wie dein englisch bist du ein wandelnder Beweis dafuer, dass die meisten Tuerken bessere Deutsche sind...

Vote much?

Nah. I didnt even live there. :cool:

You should note that the definition of whiteness is different in different world regions. Someone who is considered white in Latin America may not be considered white in Europe and N. America. Latin Americans seem to "stretch" the definition of who is white.:rolleyes:
To albinos, we're all black.

Wow.... wenn dein deutsch so gut ist wie dein englisch bist du ein wandelnder Beweis dafuer, dass die meisten Tuerken bessere Deutsche sind...

:confused: :(

:confused: :(

Yup, just as I thought. German citizenship these days really is a joke.

Yup, just as I thought. German citizenship these days really is a joke.

Dont you have a language requirement for immigrants? It doesnt seem to apply to those like me who acquire it by descent tho.

Wow.... wenn dein deutsch so gut ist wie dein englisch bist du ein wandelnder Beweis dafuer, dass die meisten Tuerken bessere Deutsche sind...Die Ironie kann man förmlich schmecken =D

Die Ironie kann man förmlich schmecken =D

Mmm, und die Ironie schmeckt auch sehr gut!

Mmm, und die Ironie schmeckt auch sehr gut!Auf englisch is' sowas lustiger :(
Da kann ich nämlich meinen hohen Bluteisengehalt dadurch erklären, dass ich zuviel Ironie/Nutella esse! :D

O_o


goobledegook?

You should note that the definition of whiteness is different in different world regions. Someone who is considered white in Latin America may not be considered white in Europe and N. America. Latin Americans seem to "stretch" the definition of who is white.

One of the greatest idiocies I have found in modern society is just that. Why is it that if someone emigrates from Spain/Portugal to North America they are counted as "white?" However if they took a detour living in South/Central America first and then emigrate to North America they are somehow no longer "white?" How does that make sense? Is living in a certain geographical area enough to strip you of your ethnicity regardless of your ancestry?

As for those who claim people from Spain/Portugal are not white, ehh let me show you the new heiress to the Spanish throne;

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/76565641.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19343A7C5B91993BDB0F3029CF9159B3F18284831B75F48EF45

http://m1.dotspotter.com/media/0/25/91/princess-leonor-1a.jpg


How absolutely not white,..right? I mean she only possesses bright blue eyes, pale skin and blond hair,... :rolleyes:

Or to make the point of the difficulties of determining what is "white" just that little bit harder, since I want to be a bastard. Why not mention the fact that the "Arab" nations of Lebanon, Morrocco and Tunisia have more blond haired people than the state of Italy, Malta and Ireland.

Blonds are found in North Africa in Morocco, Tunisia and northern Algeria, and in South West Asia as well. The Iranians and their related groups have a higher frequency of blonds in the Middle East (there's a very high incidence of blondness among the people of northern Iran, especially in Azerbaijan, and also to some degree in Gilan and Golestan near the Turkmen border), which includes the Kalash of Pakistan and Nuristani of Afghanistan.



Oh gosh. Does this mean those dirty Turks and Arabs exhibit Hitler's dream features? That cannot be, for they are not Europeans! But does that mean they are white`? Or only those Arabs with blond hair and green/blue eyes? See this is why terms such as white get confusing when people try to attribute geography to them.

For example this child from Kashmir (between India and Pakistan), belonging to the Kalesh peoples;

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9362/kashmir20girl7df.jpg

Or this blond headed Pakistani child:

http://www.underthesamesun.org/images/boy%20with%20picture%20of%20father.jpg

Or this old Syrian man with the blue eyes, could you honestly differentiate him from let us say a north european old man if they would dress the same?

http://www.stjoan.com/feature4/ibrihim.jpg

And, wait, does this Iranian woman have green eyes and blond hair? WHAT???

http://image50.webshots.com/50/2/54/61/2238254610086837165DnQhBr_ph.jpg

Or this Lebanese crowd,..the lady in pink with the blond hair again. And not to mention the skin tone of the crowd is pretty damn pale no? Is it just me or are they more lightly complexioned than most north europeans who spend one vacation tanning? Hell I would say they are just as pale as north europeans, but what do I know;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/homer05/syriapro.jpg




"The term "white people" (also "whites", or "white race") has been defined as "being a member of a group or race characterized by light pigmentation of the skin"[1] and "to a human group having light-coloured skin, especially of European ancestry." [2] The term can sometimes refer to people who are of Middle Eastern and North African ancestry."

According to wikipedia. So wait, because many arabs are settling in europe, the white race is dying out? Despite arabs also being considered white, due to their sharing the same skin complexion and features as Europeans?

Or are we differentiating on what counts as "white?" Do Europeans hold a monopoly on "white?" So is it a geographical term, or is it a racial term or a descriptive term? I suppose this also might be the time to mention that green eyes and red hair are said to have originated from Iran. Does this mean that people with green eyes and red hair are not white, due to it's origin? Bla bla bla. This could go on for days. I think I made my point in showing how pointless it is deciding what is white, since no one can decide if it should be a geographical, racial feature or cultural term,..

Then you reject the idea of homeland of any race then?

Of course. Since wandering back in history shows us we are all migrants, sooner or later, it's only logical.

One of the greatest idiocies I have found in modern society is just that. Why is it that if someone emigrates from Spain/Portugal to North America they are counted as "white?" However if they took a detour living in South/Central America first and then emigrate to North America they are somehow no longer "white?" How does that make sense? Is living in a certain geographical area enough to strip you of your ethnicity regardless of your ancestry?


What? The reason why many Latin Americans arent white isnt because they made a detour, it's just that they have more non-European admixture than Spaniards or Portugeese. Most Latin Americans have a degree of Native American and Black ancestry.



As for those who claim people from Spain/Portugal are not white, ehh let me show you the new heiress to the Spanish throne;

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/76565641.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19343A7C5B91993BDB0F3029CF9159B3F18284831B75F48EF45

http://m1.dotspotter.com/media/0/25/91/princess-leonor-1a.jpg


How absolutely not white,..right? I mean she only possesses bright blue eyes, pale skin and blond hair,... :rolleyes:


I'm not saying Spanish and Portugeese arent white. However, your making a silly argument. Royal families in Europe are quite mixed. She isnt that Spanish. And many children loose their blondness as they grow up. And you cant comment on whole Spanish just by looking at one person.



Or to make the point of the difficulties of determining what is "white" just that little bit harder, since I want to be a bastard. Why not mention the fact that the "Arab" nations of Lebanon, Morrocco and Tunisia have more blond haired people than the state of Italy, Malta and Ireland.


No, your not a bastard, you just sound kinda silly. You think there's more blond people in Tunisia than in Ireland? You think Arabs have a higher percentage of blonds than Italians?



Blonds are found in North Africa in Morocco, Tunisia and northern Algeria, and in South West Asia as well. The Iranians and their related groups have a higher frequency of blonds in the Middle East (there's a very high incidence of blondness among the people of northern Iran, especially in Azerbaijan, and also to some degree in Gilan and Golestan near the Turkmen border), which includes the Kalash of Pakistan and Nuristani of Afghanistan.


Higher than whom? Than Arabs?



Oh gosh. Does this mean those dirty Turks and Arabs exhibit Hitler's dream features? That cannot be, for they are not Europeans!


How do you know? Turkey had a huge empire in the past (Ottoman Empire). Maybe most of those blond Turks are ancestors of Europeans who had converted to Islam and settled in Turkey.


But does that mean they are white`? Or only those Arabs with blond hair and green/blue eyes? See this is why terms such as white get confusing when people try to attribute geography to them.


There are white Arabs. I've met one. But I'd say most Arabs and Iranians arent white. Thats why people "attribute geography". Similarly, there are white people in Africa but Africa is associated with Blacks.



For example this child from Kashmir (between India and Pakistan), belonging to the Kalesh peoples;

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9362/kashmir20girl7df.jpg

Or this blond headed Pakistani child:

http://www.underthesamesun.org/images/boy%20with%20picture%20of%20father.jpg

Or this old Syrian man with the blue eyes, could you honestly differentiate him from let us say a north european old man if they would dress the same?

http://www.stjoan.com/feature4/ibrihim.jpg

And, wait, does this Iranian woman have green eyes and blond hair? WHAT???

http://image50.webshots.com/50/2/54/61/2238254610086837165DnQhBr_ph.jpg

Or this Lebanese crowd,..the lady in pink with the blond hair again. And not to mention the skin tone of the crowd is pretty damn pale no? Is it just me or are they more lightly complexioned than most north europeans who spend one vacation tanning? Hell I would say they are just as pale as north europeans, but what do I know;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/homer05/syriapro.jpg


As I said, there may be white Iranian and Arabs but most of them arent, IMO.



According to wikipedia. So wait, because many arabs are settling in europe, the white race is dying out? Despite arabs also being considered white, due to their sharing the same skin complexion and features as Europeans?


What? Most Arabs have a much darker complexion and different facial features, especially compared to Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans.



Or are we differentiating on what counts as "white?" Do Europeans hold a monopoly on "white?" So is it a geographical term, or is it a racial term or a descriptive term? I suppose this also might be the time to mention that green eyes and red hair are said to have originated from Iran.


Link?


Does this mean that people with green eyes and red hair are not white, due to it's origin? Bla bla bla. This could go on for days. I think I made my point in showing how pointless it is deciding what is white, since no one can decide if it should be a geographical, racial feature or cultural term,..

Ok.

So you are saying that the whole crowd of pale skinned lebanese there in that one picture all constitute the exception to the population? The little white corner to the brown mob? That sounds well,.....not realistic.


As for the links;

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://www.iranian.com/History/2005/March/Gutians/




Also here is a slideshow of more than "one" picture of Iranians. Quite a few of them do look quite European in their stock don't you think?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116581341/show/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116574438/show/

You're wrong, you sounded really moronic.

That must have been the tone of voice you used, while reading my post. :p

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What? Most Arabs have a much darker complexion and different facial features, especially compared to Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans.

Let's just cut to the chase. What does it matter?

I've heard your opinions on immigration in Europe. We disagree, but I'm not too fussed because I don't live in Europe.

I'm familiar with the way you hedge your basically racist position with talk of "culture" and "tradition." Being all good and PC and all, you defend the "society" of various European countries against the "cultural practices" of immigrants.

You haven't done that in this thread. Instead, you are obsessing about what is and what isn't "white" skin or facial features.

WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?

And, would it be fair to say you favour a narrow definition over a wide one?

I love the idea of this 'homeland of the whites'.

In countries where we study the history of (I assume he means... it is a he, right?) Europe, it's a pretty dismal catalogue of group after group after group, whacking each other over the head, stealing the women, burning the villages to the ground, and then hanging around waiting for the next one to come do the same to you.

'Homeleand of The Whites" my arse. It's been homogenous in the same way that an atomic blast is.

But I don't care about these Stormfront-for-beginners meanderings. I'm a citizen of the world, and can't be defined by such petty constraints.

Well the homeland of the whites was bad wordplay on my part, I guess it's because in the U.S it's only "white" not Italian German ect. Well, excluding the big cities.

So you are saying that the whole crowd of pale skinned lebanese there in that one picture all constitute the exception to the population? The little white corner to the brown mob? That sounds well,.....not realistic.

Also here is a slideshow of more than "one" picture of Iranians. Quite a few of them do look quite European in their stock don't you think?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116581341/show/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116574438/show/

You dont make sense. I can show you a black crowd holding a US flag. Does it mean all Americans are black? No. Or I can show you this African woman:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/charlizetheron/charlize_theron1_300_400.jpg

I guess this means all Africans are blond blue eyed whites? :rolleyes:

Just stick to the facts. Europeans is/are the ethnic group(s) with the lightest skin tone*, thats why they are called white.

* : http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/leontis/chem447/PDF_files/Jablonski_skin_color_2000.pdf




As for the links;

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://www.iranian.com/History/2005/March/Gutians/


You claimed that red hair and green eyes originated in Iran. And I asked you to provide links for that claim. But I couldnt find anything with respect to the origin of those in the links you provided. Maybe I missed it, since I didnt read much of what you linked because the links seem highly unreliable with lots of crap in the articles. Can you quote? Oh and this cracked me up:


The Iranic or Irano-Aryan race as a whole is dolichocephalic (long-headed), leptorrhine (having long, narrow noses), tall, robust, dark-haired, large-boned and fair-skinned with straight hair. These features are found amongst the Jats, Pathans, Persians, Rajputs and Kurds. Due to the common features of Iranic skeletons with Nordics, some authorities consider the Nordics and Iranics as belonging to a common Nordic-Iranian macro-race


Yeah, right. :rolleyes: x 1000


That must have been the tone of voice you used, while reading my post. :p

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Let's just cut to the chase. What does it matter?

I've heard your opinions on immigration in Europe. We disagree, but I'm not too fussed because I don't live in Europe.

I'm familiar with the way you hedge your basically racist position with talk of "culture" and "tradition." Being all good and PC and all, you defend the "society" of various European countries against the "cultural practices" of immigrants.

You haven't done that in this thread. Instead, you are obsessing about what is and what isn't "white" skin or facial features.

WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?

And, would it be fair to say you favour a narrow definition over a wide one?

It should matter to me since I "basically hedge my racist position with talk of "culture" and "tradition."", doesnt it? :rolleyes:

Well the homeland of the whites was bad wordplay on my part, I guess it's because in the U.S it's only "white" not Italian German ect. Well, excluding the big cities.
...

Yeah, seriously, what in the name of crap are you talking about?

I'm far, far too tired and angry to mince my words. All I can say about you from this thread is that you're uniquely stupid, even for a white supremacist. You're one of the most ignorant and poorly informed people I've ever talked to, and that's saying something.

Your pseudo-historical look at Europe which has about as much truth in it as The Onion, and about the intellectual content of Fireman Sam.

Get a fucking grip. There is no 'white homeland', white people aren't going to mysteriously die out, and who's going to care if they do, with people such as yourself supposedly representing them.

Come back with some facts, or better yet, don't come back at all. If the world needs less of anything, then it's moronic 'racial theorists'.

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Yeah, seriously, what in the name of crap are you talking about?

I'm far, far too tired and angry to mince my words. All I can say about you from this thread is that you're uniquely stupid, even for a white supremacist. You're one of the most ignorant and poorly informed people I've ever talked to, and that's saying something.

Your pseudo-historical look at Europe which has about as much truth in it as The Onion, and about the intellectual content of Fireman Sam.

Get a fucking grip. There is no 'white homeland', white people aren't going to mysteriously die out, and who's going to care if they do, with people such as yourself supposedly representing them.

Come back with some facts, or better yet, don't come back at all. If the world needs less of anything, then it's moronic 'racial theorists'.

You sound just as stupid. By white homeland, he means that whites originated in Europe. He didnt put it well but the correlation is there. You dont have to act stupid just to flame him.

You sound just as stupid. By white homeland, he means that whites originated in Europe. He didnt put it well but the correlation is there.
Yes, but since they didn't, that completely renders his argument moot.
You dont have to act stupid just to flame him.
Probably not, no.

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Yeah, seriously, what in the name of crap are you talking about?

I'm far, far too tired and angry to mince my words. All I can say about you from this thread is that you're uniquely stupid, even for a white supremacist. You're one of the most ignorant and poorly informed people I've ever talked to, and that's saying something.

Your pseudo-historical look at Europe which has about as much truth in it as The Onion, and about the intellectual content of Fireman Sam.

Get a fucking grip. There is no 'white homeland', white people aren't going to mysteriously die out, and who's going to care if they do, with people such as yourself supposedly representing them.

Come back with some facts, or better yet, don't come back at all. If the world needs less of anything, then it's moronic 'racial theorists'.

Yet somehow, the Native Americans lost their "homeland". But really, I don't care in the slightest that we are a dieing breed. Either i'll be dead before it happens or I will have a very interesting social change to watch. You are quite right about no one caring, in fact the oppressed peoples will probably be overjoyed.

Wow.... wenn dein deutsch so gut ist wie dein englisch bist du ein wandelnder Beweis dafuer, dass die meisten Tuerken bessere Deutsche sind...

Die Ironie kann man förmlich schmecken =D

Mmm, und die Ironie schmeckt auch sehr gut!

Auf englisch is' sowas lustiger :(
Da kann ich nämlich meinen hohen Bluteisengehalt dadurch erklären, dass ich zuviel Ironie/Nutella esse! :D

Einfach Klasse!

Dont you have a language requirement for immigrants? It doesnt seem to apply to those like me who acquire it by descent tho.

Germany, officially, doesn't HAVE immigrants. You can live all your life in Germany and still won't be given citizenship. But they throw it at people like you, who've never seen the place, have no idea about it and don't speak the language.
As I said, German citizenship these days is a joke. And a bad one at that.

Einfach Klasse!

Er hat ja drum gebeten... wie soll man sich denn bei so ner Vorgabe die Ironie verkneifen? Das waere ungesund.

Yes, but since they didn't, that completely renders his argument moot...

Whites didnt originate in Europe? Where did they originate? Are you going to say Africa?

Whites didnt originate in Europe? Where did they originate? Are you going to say Africa?

Does skin color originate from anywhere at all?

Er hat ja drum gebeten... wie soll man sich denn bei so ner Vorgabe die Ironie verkneifen? Das waere ungesund.

Gut ist wie das alte Sprichwort - die, die können nicht, lehren

ok I had to look up adage and got sprichwort...

I suspect I not only mangle the German but the saying as well! LOL

Whites didnt originate in Europe? Where did they originate? Are you going to say Africa?

Same as anyone else, yes.
Now, where their skin colour diverged from others would possibly have been Eurasia, yes. Not exclusively Europe, though, sorry.
Then again, since that change possibly happened during the last ice age, it might be valid to guess that the first lightening of the skin indeed occured in Africa.

Germany, officially, doesn't HAVE immigrants. You can live all your life in Germany and still won't be given citizenship. But they throw it at people like you, who've never seen the place, have no idea about it and don't speak the language.
As I said, German citizenship these days is a joke. And a bad one at that.

I've been to Germany several times, just didnt live there. But I'm guessing that wont change your opinion about me "being thrown" the citizenship.

Does skin color originate from anywhere at all?

Same as anyone else, yes.
Now, where their skin colour diverged from others would possibly have been Eurasia, yes. Not exclusively Europe, though, sorry.
Then again, since that change possibly happened during the last ice age, it might be valid to guess that the first lightening of the skin indeed occured in Africa.

You assume that being white is only about skin color. That is surprising. I thought it was obvious that it wasnt when you look at the facial features of people from different parts of the world.

I've been to Germany several times, just didnt live there. But I'm guessing that wont change your opinion about me "being thrown" the citizenship.

Call me old-fashioned, but I find it silly that someone who doesn't know the language can get citizenship, and someone who lived all his life there, has all his friends and family there, worked there for decades and pays taxes still can't become citizen and vote.

You assume that being white is only about skin color. That is surprising. I thought it was obvious that it wasnt when you look at the facial features of people from different parts of the world.

Ah. That mmust be why you refer to Eurasians as "white", rather than "long-noses", right?

You assume that being white is only about skin color. That is surprising. I thought it was obvious that it wasnt when you look at the facial features of people from different parts of the world.

No not really. But there are plenty of facial features that a European will have in common with a non-European, including skin color. I honestly cannot see how you determine someone to be white or not.

Ah. That mmust be why you refer to Eurasians as "white", rather than "long-noses", right?

If "long-noses" were the dominant feature, that'd make sense. But it isnt so that doesnt make sense just like you.

No not really. But there are plenty of facial features that a European will have in common with a non-European, including skin color. I honestly cannot see how you determine someone to be white or not.

I'm assuming your not white?

Call me old-fashioned, but I find it silly that someone who doesn't know the language can get citizenship, and someone who lived all his life there, has all his friends and family there, worked there for decades and pays taxes still can't become citizen and vote.

Oh yeah it is tragic. They shouldnt throw citizenship to ungrateful children of German citizens like that. The horror...

I'm assuming your not white?

I'm not, and it's irrelevant.

I'm not, and it's irrelevant.

It is not because psychological studies say that we are better at recognizing the facial features WITHIN our race. Since your not white, I'm not surprised you cant recognize some of white features. Tho I thought the difference between a white and an asian and an african was obvious.

Call me old-fashioned, but I find it silly that someone who doesn't know the language can get citizenship, and someone who lived all his life there, has all his friends and family there, worked there for decades and pays taxes still can't become citizen and vote.

How does German citizenship work anyway?

It is not because psychological studies say that we are better at recognizing the facial features WITHIN our race. Since your not white, I'm not surprised you cant recognize some of white features. Tho I thought the difference between a white and an asian and an african was obvious.

Define race.

Define race.

Look it up.

Look it up.

I don't really accept that it exists, basically.

How does German citizenship work anyway?

Simple. You can't get it. Unless you can prove that you grandmother once had a neighbour who owned a German Shepard, that means you can get it automatically.

Well, seriously, it's not obtainable unless you can prove that ancestors of yours lived in Germany at some point. Which is why Germany is currently paying welfare for several thousand "Russlanddeutsche", people whose ancestors immigrated to Russia in the 17th century, when the then Csar had land he needed populated and farmed and who now that the USSR finally collapsed miraculously rediscover their love for the "Vaterland"...
Not to mention little Neo Nazis the world over whose parents or grandparents immigrated decades ago. We had one of those on the forum for a while, little Australian freak. Didn't speak a word of German, been to the place as a kid a few times, but insisted he was one.

I don't really accept that it exists, basically.

Ok. Good for you.

If "long-noses" were the dominant feature, that'd make sense. But it isnt so that doesnt make sense just like you.

Ask any Asian, they'll tell you that the distinctive feature of Caucasians are their long noses. The skin colour is more or less the same, really.

It is not because psychological studies say that we are better at recognizing the facial features WITHIN our race. Since your not white, I'm not surprised you cant recognize some of white features. Tho I thought the difference between a white and an asian and an african was obvious.

I don't know what studies you've been reading there, but psychologically, we recognise those facial features we are most used to. If you're a black kid growing up in Oslo, you'll recognise Eurasian features more easily than African. If you're USAmerican living in Japan, Asian features will become very familiar and recognisable after a while. Ask NERVUN.

Ask any Asian, they'll tell you that the distinctive feature of Caucasians are their long noses.


What do you mean long? Whites have higher noses, Asians are more closer to the face. But the vertical length isnt that different.


The skin colour is more or less the same, really.

LOL. Right.

What do you mean long? Whites have higher noses, Asians are more closer to the face. But the vertical length isnt that different.



LOL. Right.


Why is any of this relevant at all?

I don't know what studies you've been reading there, but psychologically, we recognise those facial features we are most used to. If you're a black kid growing up in Oslo, you'll recognise Eurasian features more easily than African. If you're USAmerican living in Japan, Asian features will become very familiar and recognisable after a while. Ask NERVUN.

First I suggest you to look up Euroasian in the dictionary. My second suggestion for you is to stop talking or rather writing when you dont know what the heck your talking about:


APA News Release

December 3, 2000

APA Public Affairs
(202) 336-5700

PEOPLE ARE POOR AT CROSS-RACE FACIAL RECOGNITION BECAUSE THEY CONCENTRATE ON RACIAL FEATURES RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL FEATURES, ACCORDING TO NEW STUDY

WASHINGTON - Why do people of one racial group fail to recognize faces from another racial group? This so-called cross-race recognition deficit, a topic of debate within the social science community, is sometimes explained by suggesting that people have less experience seeing faces from other races. But, a new research finding by Kent State University psychologist Daniel T. Levin, Ph.D., suggests that the information people "see" when looking at the face of a person of another race is information that allows them to classify the person as White or Black but is not information which allows them to individualize the person, such as the color of their eyes or shape of their nose.
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http://www.apa.org/releases/facerecog.html

Why is any of this relevant at all?

I basically accept it as relevant.

I basically accept it as relevant.

I asked you for an explanation on how you define race. You tell me to look it up. Would you like me to do the same?

What do you mean long? Whites have higher noses, Asians are more closer to the face. But the vertical length isnt that different.



LOL. Right.

Not quite.

Apparently, when trying to "become European", Asians go for nose and eye surgery. Africans usually would try to turn their skin lighter, which Asians - don't.

http://www.alternet.org/story/49894/

First I suggest you to look up Euroasian in the dictionary. My second suggestion for you is to stop talking or rather writing when you dont know what the heck your talking about:


http://www.apa.org/releases/facerecog.html

From your own source :

"Participants who were poor at recognizing black faces appear to code blackness as a visual feature while they may not code whiteness at all," says Dr. Levin. "The problem is not that we can't code the details of cross-race faces; it's that we don't. Instead, we substitute group information, or information about the race, for information about the features that help us tell individual people apart."

This would seem to only refer to people outside the cultural group of the individual, otherwise it doesn't make the least bit of sense. Do you really think that a black kid growing up in Oslo can recognise faces around it less well than a white kid growing up in the same area? Do you think that the first feature that kid would notice about a person would be "That's a white person"? And once you fly it to Africa, it magically can distinguish between faces much easier?

Oh, and :

Eurasia is a large landmass covering about 53,990,000 km² (or about 10.6%) of the Earth's surface. Often reckoned as a single continent, Eurasia comprises the traditional continents of Europe and Asia, concepts which date back to classical antiquity and the borders for which are somewhat arbitrary. Eurasia, in turn, is part of the yet larger landmass of Afro-Eurasia, whereby Asia is joined to Africa at the Isthmus of Suez.

Eurasia has in excess of 4.6 billion people, more than 69% of the world's human population.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia)

Not quite.


Not quite what?


Apparently, when trying to "become European", Asians go for nose and eye surgery.


You claimed nose was the dominant feature. Now your adding eyes? And you may also wanna look up "red herring". Just because some Asians are having nose and eye surgery does not mean that the most dominant features of whites are nose and eyes.


Africans usually would try to turn their skin lighter, which Asians - don't.

http://www.alternet.org/story/49894/

Some albino Africans here with pale skin:

http://www.funmansion.com/pics/albino_african_americans.html

They dont look white.


From your own source :
This would seem to only refer to people outside the cultural group of the individual, otherwise it doesn't make the least bit of sense. Do you really think that a black kid growing up in Oslo can recognise faces around it less well than a white kid growing up in the same area? Do you think that the first feature that kid would notice about a person would be "That's a white person"? And once you fly it to Africa, it magically can distinguish between faces much easier?


I said cross racial face recognition is weaker and backed up that claim. You claimed that it's all about whom we are most used to seeing. Now back that up with links without giving silly examples you made up.


Oh, and :
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia)

Good. Now that you know what Eurasia is, are you claiming that Chineese have the same facial features with Norwegians, since you were talking about Euroasian features?

Wow, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about anymore. Something about noses and eyes and skin color.

It does not matter what someone looks like. Races exist and there are physical traits associated with different races, but even one race has a large variety of traits. Racial classifications are very broad and extremely general and are sort of irrelevant. They pretty much boil down to how sunburnt you're going to get at the beach. What I think matters more to the current traditional citizens of Europe and the United States is culture. Foreign practices and beliefs are threatening because the average Joe does not to change the way he's been living all his life to accommodate new arrivals and he certainly does not want privileges given to immigrants that the lifetime citizens do not have.

This is departing from the OP, but the whole idea of "whites" being a minority is not really what scares people. It is the idea that foreign culture could flood your homeland and supplant the traditional culture. Skin coloration and irrelevant facial details are simply the easiest (and also a highly inaccurate) indicator that the "other" is present. An ethnic German could see an ethnic Iranian in his or her country and immediately classify that individual as a foreigner. This is inaccurate though because culture is constructed and learned behavior; people are not born with a culture ingrained in them. That Iranian looking individual could have lived in Germany all their life and be more culturally German than say an ethnic German that moved to Arkansas when they were three-years-old.

My point is that it should not matter what race an individual is. Anyone is capable of fitting into a society after being exposed to that society's culture for a generation or two. Massive waves of immigration are difficult for any country to handle and it is not constructive to run around branding people racists or saying your country is being invaded by brown people. And every country has the inherent right to shut the door on immigrants, if they so choose. It is called national sovereignty. Do I think that is a good idea? I really don't know anymore. I used to think it wasn't and I am still disinclined to feel threatened by immigrants coming into my country. I guess I'll just kick back with some Mexican food and wait for my skin to turn brown and mosques to shoot up next to the local baptist church. :p

That article is over seven years old...

according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ethnic_groups#Diasporas_in_Europe)

Populations of non-European origin in Europe approx. 25 - 30+ million, or approx. 3.42 - 4.11+%

ZOMGZ THE BROWN PEEPLEZ IZ TAKIN OVER!!!!! :rolleyes:

What many people have observed is this.

The same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration won't lead to them becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people today that say our transformation to a nation predominantly populated by people from non-European countries will not result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

Well if these individuals were completely wrong about the first assumption then it should be plainly obvious that they will be wrong about the second. Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and the only people here who still uphold this unrealistic and optimistic idea that Europeans will somehow benefit by being overwhelmed by non-European immigrants are the non-European immigrants themselves who are solely looking after their own selfish interests, people who secretly harbor hatred and jealousy for the European race, and European degenerates who spend far too much time getting drugged up and drunk to listen to reason and see just how bad the conditions in the city for Europeans has become.

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

The Aryans?

What many people have observed is this.

The same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration won't lead to them becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people today that say our transformation to a nation predominantly populated by people from non-European countries will not result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

Well if these individuals were completely wrong about the first assumption then it should be plainly obvious that they will be wrong about the second. Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and the only people here who still uphold this unrealistic and optimistic idea that Europeans will somehow benefit by being overwhelmed by non-European immigrants are the non-European immigrants themselves who are solely looking after their own selfish interests, people who secretly harbor hatred and jealousy for the European race, and European degenerates who spend far too much time getting drugged up and drunk to listen to reason and see just how bad the conditions in the city for Europeans has become.

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

I'm waiting for someone to translate this into words...

What many people have observed

Appeal to popularity fallacy.

Particularly when the only one "observing" this is you.

The same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration won't lead to them becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people today that say our transformation to a nation predominantly populated by people from non-European countries will not result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

That's because the same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration will lead to becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people that say our transformation to a nation predominately populated by people from non European countries will result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

They're also the same sorts of people who tend to put people who look, talk, and/or believe differently into death camps.

Out of the two, "immigration" versus "nationalist zealots spreading racial fear and hatred," one of these has historically had a disastrous result for Europe and the world. It's just amazingly sad that people like you have a hard time discerning which one.

Well if these individuals were completely wrong about the first assumption then it should be plainly obvious that they will be wrong about the second.

Mmm, I like the smell of circular reasoning.

Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and the only people here who still uphold this unrealistic and optimistic idea that Europeans will somehow benefit by being overwhelmed by non-European immigrants are the non-European immigrants themselves who are solely looking after their own selfish interests, people who secretly harbor hatred and jealousy for the European race

Ah yes... it's they who harbor race hatred and are looking for their own selfish interests.

You on the other hand, are the paragon of selfless virtue and tolerance.

Quite funny! When you get tired trying to stand without legs, kindly drink a glass of STFU.


However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

Yeah, I can hardly wait for them to show up.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/newsarchive/nazis.jpg

I see the usual suspects have turned up....in all their guises. Another day typing for purity with the Hitlerjugend Acne brigade..

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

Yes, if kicking in the windows of a few takeaways is the key to saving us all, I'm sure they will.......

This whole thread has become pointless and full of racism, why hasn't it been locked?




*Farts in thread*

This whole thread has become pointless and full of racism, why hasn't it been locked?

The racists are getting crushed with barely a flame. And that's fun.

Incidentally, I noticed from a Moderation thread that you claim to moderate on some other board. Surely that gives you a perspective on newcomers who think the place needs "fixing" to suit their tastes.

*Farts in thread*

Now that's more like it!

*cuts one loose also*

The racists are getting crushed with barely a flame. And that's fun.

Fun for a while then it gets annoying.

Incidentally, I noticed from a Moderation thread that you claim to moderate on some other board. Surely that gives you a perspective on newcomers who think the place needs "fixing" to suit their tastes.

I do, people there bitch about our strict policy on spam all the time. People need to shut up and obey the rules of the forum you are on.



Now that's more like it!

*cuts one loose also*

YEAH! Maybe if we fart enough the stink will drive the racists away!


http://www.scuba2000.com/forum/images/smilies/fart2.gif

Yeah, but Middle Easterners and Muslims won't be the majority. It's going to be pretty mixed, with no majority religion or ethnic group.

brief and incomplete history of migrations into Central and Southern Europe:

from 5000 to 3000 BC, mediterranean (etruscans)
from 2000 to 800 BC, first indoeuropean wave (celts, italic peoples, greeks, western germans)
from 300 BC to 100 AD, the Roman melting pot (celts, italic, greeks, germans, semites)
from 200 AD to 700 AD, second indoeuropean wave (eastern germans/goths, slavs, baltic peoples) and first uraloaltaic wave (huns, vandals)
from 800 AD to 1000 AD, nothern germans and arabs
from 1200 AD to 1700 AD, second uraloaltaic wave (turks)
...

There is no "Homeland of Whites". This is Europe. Thousands of different ethnicities, hundreds of languages, tens of nation-states. Skin colours ranging from finnish snow-white to maltese olive tan. Eye colours ranging from irish green to greek blue to saxon grey to etruscan brown. Hair ranging from red to blonde to brown to black.

Another immigration wave? No big deal... we're used to immigration waves.

I'm waiting for someone to translate this into words...

Well, I'll give it a go. First, I will observe that a rank newbie with the name Nationalist America, professing to know what is best for Europe, pretty much discredits themselves off the bat.

I also assume that "our nation" in the first paragraph means "the USA." If this is wrong, I apologize for any offence this may cause to Americans.

What many people have observed is this.

The same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration won't lead to them becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people today that say our transformation to a nation predominantly populated by people from non-European countries will not result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

Well if these individuals were completely wrong about the first assumption then it should be plainly obvious that they will be wrong about the second. Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and the only people here who still uphold this unrealistic and optimistic idea that Europeans will somehow benefit by being overwhelmed by non-European immigrants are the non-European immigrants themselves who are solely looking after their own selfish interests, people who secretly harbor hatred and jealousy for the European race, and European degenerates who spend far too much time getting drugged up and drunk to listen to reason and see just how bad the conditions in the city for Europeans has become.

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

Translation:

"European descendents in the US are doing it tough. Europeans in Europe will have a terrible hard time too if they keep allowing Immigration.

"Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and I don't like it. Anyone who disagrees with me is either an Immigrant, a race traitor or a drug addict.

"Any time now, a sizable minority of Europeans are going to agree with me, and (er...) do something."

What many people have observed is this.

The same people that told Europeans that massive 3rd world immigration won't lead to them becoming minorities in their own countries are the same kind of people today that say our transformation to a nation predominantly populated by people from non-European countries will not result in a negative change in race and culture for the Europeans residing in the nation.

Well if these individuals were completely wrong about the first assumption then it should be plainly obvious that they will be wrong about the second. Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and the only people here who still uphold this unrealistic and optimistic idea that Europeans will somehow benefit by being overwhelmed by non-European immigrants are the non-European immigrants themselves who are solely looking after their own selfish interests, people who secretly harbor hatred and jealousy for the European race, and European degenerates who spend far too much time getting drugged up and drunk to listen to reason and see just how bad the conditions in the city for Europeans has become.

However, it is always darkest before the dawn, and I suspect that there will be a sizable minority of courageous and great Europeans who will save their people from extinction before it is truly too late.

While I believe in strict immigration measures for European countries, I also believe that this could be sold to public w/o scaremongering. Actually, it doesnt even need to be sold at all, since majorities there already seem to think there are too many immigrants*. So, really, you shouldnt be that dramatic. Try to keep it positive w/o hoping for "courageous" people to take brave actions (whatever those may be) to save us from extinction.

*: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7657

Well, I'll give it a go. First, I will observe that a rank newbie with the name Nationalist America, professing to know what is best for Europe, pretty much discredits themselves off the bat.

I also assume that "our nation" in the first paragraph means "the USA." If this is wrong, I apologize for any offence this may cause to Americans.



Translation:

"European descendents in the US are doing it tough. Europeans in Europe will have a terrible hard time too if they keep allowing Immigration.

"Personally, I live in a heavily diverse city and I don't like it. Anyone who disagrees with me is either an Immigrant, a race traitor or a drug addict.

"Any time now, a sizable minority of Europeans are going to agree with me, and (er...) do something."

I'm impressed. I got the bit about the diverse city, but couldn't really work out what they point was supposed to be. It's like a rallying call of the apathetic 'whites'? He's inspiring the white population to overcome this 'invasion'... by pointing out how stupid, apathetic and lazy they are? This is going to encourage them? Thinking about it - if the colour of skin is their only 'virtue'... saving the 'whites' doesn't really seem like a worthwhile investment anyway....

While I believe in strict immigration measures for European countries, I also believe that this could be sold to public w/o scaremongering. Actually, it doesnt even need to be sold at all, since majorities there already seem to think there are too many immigrants*. So, really, you shouldnt be that dramatic. Try to keep it positive w/o hoping for "courageous" people to take brave actions (whatever those may be) to save us from extinction.

The way you deal with other posters in general is utterly disgraceful.

You disparage the comprehension of better and wiser posters than yourself, you don't read the posts of others well enough to reply effectively, you post links you haven't read yourself, and fail to acknowledge when your very own links disprove the points you thought you were making.

But credit where credit is due, you at least draw the line at endorsing muck like that. I hope you agree that the imputation of Nationalist America's last paragraph was utterly wrong. It implied violence, did it not?

And this day you have persuaded one person of something.

I am no longer "white." I'm now one of Them, I'm one of the majority of the world. I consider myself one of the pinker Brown People now.

I don't renounce the bulk of my ancestry, which is Irish and English. But I don't want to be considered "white" any more. Not the way you mean it.

You assume that being white is only about skin color. That is surprising. I thought it was obvious that it wasnt when you look at the facial features of people from different parts of the world.
Japs - white

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Prince_Kanin_Kotohito.jpg

South Americans - white, if tanned

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/12/11/pinochet_wideweb__470x322,0.jpg

Russkies - white

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Teenage_Stalin.jpg

Europeans - white

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PfascistsP.jpg

What about the Mediterranians, Iberians, Persians and Middle Easterners?

[qoute]The current U.S. Census definition includes white "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#United_States

Well, I guess Arabs, Jews, Egyptians, Hispanics, Italians, Greeks and the Balkans aren't whites if the don't conform to the mainstream image of being white... which I don't understand what.

While I believe in strict immigration measures for European countries, I also believe that this could be sold to public w/o scaremongering. Actually, it doesnt even need to be sold at all, since majorities there already seem to think there are too many immigrants*. So, really, you shouldnt be that dramatic. Try to keep it positive w/o hoping for "courageous" people to take brave actions (whatever those may be) to save us from extinction.

*: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7657

Thats a fine way of thinking if you live in Canada where it isn't nearly as bad as it is in the United States of America. Within 10-15 years European Americans are going to make up less then 60% of the total population and the current government will never do anything about this crisis since it is a corrupt organization which ignores the plight of it's European citizens and panders to agents of foreign countries and corporations which benefit from the negative transformation of this country and the massive influx of cheap labor.

America is going to face drastic times...and drastic times call for drastic measures.

Thats a fine way of thinking if you live in Canada where it isn't nearly as bad as it is in the United States of America. Within 10-15 years European Americans are going to make up less then 60% of the total population and the current government will never do anything about this crisis since it is a corrupt organization which ignores the plight of it's European citizens and panders to agents of foreign countries and corporations which benefit from the negative transformation of this country and the massive influx of cheap labor.

America is going to face drastic times...and drastic times call for drastic measures.

Is genocide and ethnic cleansing what you are trying to say? If so I have one word for you, NO! Mass murder is never justified. Sure, whites are going out, but hey, does it really matter in the end? We've only ourselves to blame what with "our" total non-desire to breed.

Thats a fine way of thinking if you live in Canada where it isn't nearly as bad as it is in the United States of America. Within 10-15 years European Americans are going to make up less then 60% of the total population and the current government will never do anything about this crisis since it is a corrupt organization which ignores the plight of it's European citizens and panders to agents of foreign countries and corporations which benefit from the negative transformation of this country and the massive influx of cheap labor.

America is going to face drastic times...and drastic times call for drastic measures.

You aren't allowed to call for those drastic measures. (You will very likely be banned if you are more specific.)

Since you are not allowed to say here what you plainly mean, it would be unchivalrous of me to debate it with you.

It would be best if you just went away.

You aren't allowed to call for those drastic measures. (You will very likely be banned if you are more specific.)

Since you are not allowed to say here what you plainly mean, it would be unchivalrous of me to debate it with you.

It would be best if you just went away.

It truly is just horrifying that some people condone and activly support mass-murder and ethnic-cleansing.

Japs - white

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Prince_Kanin_Kotohito.jpg


Yeah, right... :D



South Americans - white, if tanned

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/12/11/pinochet_wideweb__470x322,0.jpg


Some of them...

Thats a fine way of thinking if you live in Canada where it isn't nearly as bad as it is in the United States of America. Within 10-15 years European Americans are going to make up less then 60% of the total population and the current government will never do anything about this crisis since it is a corrupt organization which ignores the plight of it's European citizens and panders to agents of foreign countries and corporations which benefit from the negative transformation of this country and the massive influx of cheap labor.

America is going to face drastic times...and drastic times call for drastic measures.

Well, you may be right about your predictions about US. Half the births in US are already to minorities. But your wrong about Europe.

It'd be sad to see US becoming an extension of Latin America, leaving Canada as the only North American country but dont forget that drastic measures usually end up in tragedy and leave you in a worse place than you started. Eg: Hitler wanting more space and ending up costing Germany 1/3 of its territory AND millions dead. That was drastic and ended up really bad.

I believe there are always or at least usually good ways to get things done.

Well, you may be right about your predictions about US. Half the births in US are already to minorities. But your wrong about Europe.

It'd be sad to see US becoming an extension of Latin America, leaving Canada as the only North American country but dont forget that drastic measures usually end up in tragedy and leave you in a worse place than you started. Eg: Hitler wanting more space and ending up costing Germany 1/3 of its territory AND millions dead. That was drastic and ended up really bad.

I believe there are always or at least usually good ways to get things done.

Technically it would still be north america, but I see your point.

It really is a shame to see an entire culture get outbred. And don't tell me that the mixed inhabitants of Europe will keep the old European traditions, because if it comes to that, the cultures of old Europe will be forgotten in less than 100 years.

It really is a shame to see an entire culture get outbred. And don't tell me that the mixed inhabitants of Europe will keep the old European traditions, because if it comes to that, the cultures of old Europe will be forgotten in less than 100 years.

What do you propose less then deportation or genocide? How else do you keep a nation "pure" and have it remain vibrant? I suppose a nation could completely shut down it's immigration?

What do you propose less then deportation or genocide? How else do you keep a nation "pure" and have it remain vibrant? I suppose a nation could completely shut down it's immigration?

They can almost shut down their immigration while helping third world countries to get richer so that people would stop immigrating for economic reasons.

They can almost shut down their immigration while helping third world countries to get richer so that people would stop immigrating for economic reasons.

Sure they could and then be hounded to death by civil rights groups and possibly the UN? Some third world nations will never be richer unless they are taken over and run by an outside party.

'Whites' are already a minority in the world. Especially given your probable definition of those of pure European and American descent with light skin colour. Frankly, 'we' should be sharing the wealth and good infrastructure around, not hoarding it.My precious Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo................................................................... I shall not give her uppppppppppppppppp.......... I shall not give her up, Neveeeeerrrrrrrr......

Sure they could and then be hounded to death by civil rights groups and possibly the UN?

Noones hounding Switzerland to death.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1253/1313414614_daa978f25f.jpg

(Notice his evil laugh. LOL)

Noones hounding Switzerland to death.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1253/1313414614_daa978f25f.jpg

(Notice his evil laugh. LOL)

If that campaign sign isn't clear I don't know what is. The Swiss are small though. What if the UK, Germany or France did the same? I believe the reaction would be very different.

If that campaign sign isn't clear I don't know what is. The Swiss are small though. What if the UK, Germany or France did the same? I believe the reaction would be very different.

They are all getting more and more anti-immigrant and noones doing anything. It's not a human right to live within a certain country.

They are all getting more and more anti-immigrant and noones doing anything.

Sure people are doing things. People like you are happily incouraging it with your "OHNOES IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING TO COMMIT GENOCIDE AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE" fear-mongering.

It's not a human right to live within a certain country.

Mmm, interesting. And by extension, it's not a human right to live if no country wants them. I guess I better rewrite my history books so that deporting Jews in leaky boats was actually a decent and moral thing. To think, they believed they had rights and silly things like that! The nerve of them!

And this day you have persuaded one person of something.

I am no longer "white." I'm now one of Them, I'm one of the majority of the world. I consider myself one of the pinker Brown People now.

I don't renounce the bulk of my ancestry, which is Irish and English. But I don't want to be considered "white" any more. Not the way you mean it.

QFT

Hell yeah.

If that's what it means to be 'white', I don't want it, and I won't miss it.

If that’s what it means to be ‘white’, I don’t want it, and I won’t miss it.
“Does this mean I have to take such shit,
For being fairskinned? No!
I ain’t a part of no conspiracy, I’m just you’re average Joe!”

“Don’t call me white.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJxmx7-0xyg)

This thread just blows my mind....utterly and completely. "OMG no, the ever-changing and evolving thing that is culture is changing and evolving, stop teh darkies!" Honestly, I can't even begin to comprehend how you people look at how cultures historically develop without the contradictions giving you an aneurysm. Cultures constantly change and adapt, they assimilate and are assimilated and nothing, and I mean nothing, you do will change the long run trend. If something is immediately useful to a society, it will keep it, foster it and, generally, improve it; if something that was "lost" is now shown to be useful, it'll bring it back (but if it's a stupid fashion trend like bell-bottoms, hopefully it'll be a very short come back....one comeback in the late nineties was enough for them!) and use it.

Hell, we live in an age where virtually all information is immediately accessible to anyone not living below the poverty line (and, depending on where you are, as long as you're not catatonic, it's still accessible). Do you honestly believe anything can completely disappear anymore?

Well, you may be right about your predictions about US. Half the births in US are already to minorities. But your wrong about Europe.

It'd be sad to see US becoming an extension of Latin America, leaving Canada as the only North American country but dont forget that drastic measures usually end up in tragedy and leave you in a worse place than you started. Eg: Hitler wanting more space and ending up costing Germany 1/3 of its territory AND millions dead. That was drastic and ended up really bad.

I believe there are always or at least usually good ways to get things done.

I see the point that you are making and I would definitely rather have this problem resolved peacefully...but if peaceful methods do not work (and they haven't been working in the USA so far) then we absolutely must resort to whatever method necessary in order to reclaim our nation and secure our existence.

Besides, if our drastic measures do result in defeat at least we would have the dignity of departing this realm of existence with a bang rather then having the shameful destiny of slowly fading away in a cowardly manner.

I see the point that you are making and I would definitely rather have this problem resolved peacefully...but if peaceful methods do not work (and they haven't been working in the USA so far) then we absolutely must resort to whatever method necessary in order to reclaim our nation and secure our existence.

Besides, if our drastic measures do result in defeat at least we would have the dignity of departing this realm of existence with a bang rather then having the shameful destiny of slowly fading away in a cowardly manner.

Fading away in a cowardly manner. Aha. So - if a 'brave violence' is better than a cowardly peace?

You know what peace is? Peace - is not fighting. You can't have a cowardly 'not fighting'. It's not brave or cowardly, strong or weak. It just... is.

Where you see a 'problem', others see no such thing. The idea of 'reclaiming your nation'? I'm sorry? Yours? This makes you what.. Lakota? Cherokee? I'm thinking not, somehow.

The world doesn't care about your wannabe-purity. It's a nonsense outside the realms of your own head. There are no 'pure' people - there are just people.

Europeans - white

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PfascistsP.jpg

Ooh, ooh, it's Mosley and his 'I' Squad - the security chaps! Good photo this. You know his head of security for a long time was Kid Lewis, a Jewish boxer? Ah, the BUF, now there was a political party.

*ahem*

Sorry, what was the topic again? Europe as Islams? Pfft no, the Poles will see to that (again). :D

I don't really accept that it exists, basically.

Anthropology says you're right.

Thats a fine way of thinking if you live in Canada where it isn't nearly as bad as it is in the United States of America... America is going to face drastic times...and drastic times call for drastic measures.

1 in 5 Canadians is an immigrant. In Toronto, it's about 50% of the population. Why hasn't Toronto fallen apart? Obviously, it is the "drastic" times, yet everything continues peacefully. Drastic measures do not seem to be required.

It'd be sad to see US becoming an extension of Latin America, leaving Canada as the only North American country ...

You do realise that the Southwest USA has always been a home for a very large Spanish speaking population, right? The USA has been an extension of Latin America since before it was a nation.

They can almost shut down their immigration while helping third world countries to get richer so that people would stop immigrating for economic reasons.

They won't. Why would you get rid of your best source of cheap labour?

Yeah, right... :D
Yep.
Some of them...
Yep.

Ooh, ooh, it's Mosley and his 'I' Squad - the security chaps! Good photo this. You know his head of security for a long time was Kid Lewis, a Jewish boxer? Ah, the BUF, now there was a political party.

*ahem*
They were a shite political party, that even the usually quite anti-semitic east Londoners banded together to beat the shit out of at Cable Street.

Fascism - not really suitable for GB.

I see the point that you are making and I would definitely rather have this problem resolved peacefully...but if peaceful methods do not work (and they haven't been working in the USA so far) then we absolutely must resort to whatever method necessary in order to reclaim our nation and secure our existence.

Besides, if our drastic measures do result in defeat at least we would have the dignity of departing this realm of existence with a bang rather then having the shameful destiny of slowly fading away in a cowardly manner.

An eventual "courageous" failure would be much more "race traitorous" than status quo, wouldnt it, since "brave" men are supposed to preserve our race?