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See the ads here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S2uEM09Fs and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SQztt3ZC6U

It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.
Here is the full article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html

See the ads here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S2uEM09Fs and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SQztt3ZC6U

It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.
Here is the full article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html

You're using a Fox News article to try to show how the media has an evil liberal bias.

Ah.... irony.

Ahhh, the typical "help! Help! I'm being oppressed by the liberal media" cry from a major, depressingly widespread, far right propaganda center.

I must admit, it has been some time since this particular complaint has surfaced on NSG. It's refreshing.

the link to the website violates their (NBC's) policy on controversial issue advertising because it encourages political action and other activities. He said the policy is applied consistently across the board and this group was not targeted in any way.

so they don't want to get involved in any controversy (huh...ironic) with that website...NBC can do whatever they want...

NBC has a right not to run ads on their programming; just because the ads have mental-masturbation value to conservatives doesn't add fuel to your cause.

And it's a policy, not bias. If the ads said "Screw Bush, bring our troops home," NBC would not air those either.

NBC refuses to run ads thanking our troops.

They are playing censorship here.US TV networks have been refusing ads since for ever.. if that is censorship, then we never had a free press.

Have you been to their website?In the about section,they declare they are a "NONpartisan group dedicated to preserving,protecting,and defending conservative principles and promoting a conservative agenda."
Way to be non-partisan!

That is a damn shame. Those are great ads.

It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.
Here is the full article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html

Didn't Fox News just reject an ad featuring Danny Glover about Guantanamo Bay and how the Bush Administration is disregarding the constitution? Oh, yes they did:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-03-2007/0004715711&EDATE=

Oh, the irony!

I don't see how an ad thanking troops for their service can be compared to Gitmo ads...

You're using a Fox News article to try to show how the media has an evil liberal bias.

Ah.... irony.
Oh, add on to that the irony of saying NBC is being biased while the other people have their web address on the ads.

Didn't Fox News just reject an ad featuring Danny Glover about Guantanamo Bay and how the Bush Administration is disregarding the constitution? Oh, yes they did:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-03-2007/0004715711&EDATE=

Oh, the irony!

AAAHHHHHH! LIBERAL MEDIA!! :D

I don't see how an ad thanking troops for their service can be compared to Gitmo ads...

I don't see how they can't. Political censorship is political censorship.

I don't see how they can't. Political censorship is political censorship.

Thanking troops for their service is not political. It is polite.

Fox ain't fooling nobody outside their target audience especially Santa Claus

I don't see how an ad thanking troops for their service can be compared to Gitmo ads...

because they are both based on policy so the content has nothing to do with any argument?

wants it to remove its web address from the ads... They are playing censorship here.

Celtlund so let me get this straight. You wish it to be illegal for businesses to choose whose advertisements they get to run, else you think that freedom of choice is "censorship?"

Thanking troops for their service is not political. It is polite.

Right, and Freedom Watch is thanking them because they are just a polite group of people, and not because they have a political agenda.

Right, and Freedom Watch is thanking them because they are just a polite group of people, and not because they have a political agenda.


The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.

I don't see...that is the difference.

I can see.. you cant. ;)

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.


It includes their website address, and they are clearly a political group.

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.

still political, if its troops selling those robot vacuum cleaners maybe but ads are for advertisements

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.

And given that part of the organization's agenda is to support the administration's policy in Iraq, you don't see how thanking the troops might be a political statement rather than merely a polite act?

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.

Would it be apolitical to thank George Bush for his presidency?

Freedom's Watch jingoism and slogans are some funny stuff,such as "Surrender is not an option.VICTORY is America's only choice.":D

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.

And the station appears to agree with you because they only wanted the website address removed from the advertisement, which is clearly a partisan political website.

The Associated Press Article (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hTMokDMiXMd0XcDrQi83NoM18K4QD8TCV3500)
Fox News Article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html)

Let's compare how Fox News and the Associated Press covered the same points:
WASHINGTON — NBC has nixed holiday advertisements meant to thank troops for serving overseas in opposition to the inclusion of a non-profit's Web address.WASHINGTON (AP) — NBC has rejected an advertisement that asks viewers to remember and thank U.S. troops during the holiday season because it refers to the sponsor's Web site, which the network said was too political.Right off, Fox is trying to create controversy. They do mention that NBC objected to the group's website, but fail to mention why. The Associated Press, in their first paragraph, already has both sides represented - the ads are only asking for people to thank the troops, but they also encourage people to visit a highly partisan group's website.

However, he said, the link to the website violates their policy on controversial issue advertising because it encourages political action and other activities. He said the policy is applied consistently across the board and this group was not targeted in any way."We have a policy that prohibits acceptance of advertising that deals with issues of public controversy," Wurtzel said. "This particular ad, in and of itself, is fine. It thanks the troops for their action overseas. We asked them to eliminate a URL address where a person is asked to contact elected officials and told not to cut and run on the war on terror." So Fox gets around to explaining why NBC objected to the website. But what could they mean by "political action and other activities"? Isn't "political action" a good thing? Well, if you look at the direct quote in the AP article, they rejected it because it's "a URL address where a person is asked to contact elected officials and told not to cut and run on the war on terror". If that's not politically controversial, especially now, I don't know what is.

"NBC asked us to re-vamp our Web site. They wanted to censor us, and we said, 'No we're not going to be censored,'" Blakeman said, noting that the organization's Web site points to more than 20 other non-profit Web sites where readers can thank and support troops.There really isn't any claim like this made in the AP article. There's a good reason for this - NBC wanted the url to be removed because it was politically controversial. So right after Fox alludes to the real reason why NBC rejected the ad, they pull out a quotation that suggests that NBC was expecting something entirely absurd, when they simply wanted the url to be removed from the ad.

E-mails provided to FOX show that NBC also might have objected to the ads on its in-house issue advertising policy.And now we've brought the real reason why NBC rejected the ads down to hearsay. NBC rejected the ads because of their advertising policy. This is not a "might have", and you don't have to get this information from anonymously credited emails. NBC was quite open about the fact that their rejection of the ad was based on their policy.

The ads are to run on CNN and Fox News Channel and are running in various newspapers. The New York Times ran a full-page Freedom's Watch ad Friday that said "Thank You!" and depicted a soldier reading a letter. The newspaper ad also contained the Web site address.
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The center's ad buy was a small fraction of the size of the Freedom's Watch buy, appearing on CNN and MSNBC, but only in Washington D.C.And here's nail in the coffin. Fox news fails to mention that other members of the so-called "liberal media" are running the ad, unaltered.

And the station appears to agree with you because they only wanted the website address removed from the advertisement, which is clearly a partisan political website.

Then good for the station. The producers of the ad should respect their wishes and remove the link, and simply run the ad to thank the troops.

Then good for the station. The producers of the ad should respect their wishes and remove the link, and simply run the ad to thank the troops.

but why just the troops why not thank all those people out there in T.V land? (e.g. doctors, garbageman, debt collectors)

*imagines wonderfully Christmas ad which still neglects that some troops will get preference over others in seeing there family because there Christian, without regard to the secular public holiday*

Thanking troops for their service is not political. It is polite.

They put their web address in it. It's political.

but why just the troops why not thank all those people out there in T.V land? (e.g. doctors, garbageman, debt collectors)

*imagines wonderfully Christmas ad which still neglects that some troops will get preference over others in seeing there family because there Christian, without regard to the secular public holiday*

Pfft. Everyone loves Christmas. Its a time to be loved ones- Christian or not.

And soldiers get preference because they put their lives on the line for everyone else.

NBC has the right to show or not show anything they want for any reason they want. They (and any other station) don't have to show everything presented to them.

but why just the troops why not thank all those people out there in T.V land? (e.g. doctors, garbageman, debt collectors)

Thank the media for that. Due to their focus on the Iraq war.

Pfft. Everyone loves Christmas. Its a time to be loved ones- Christian or not.

then complain to your government and see how far you get

And soldiers get preference because they put their lives on the line for everyone else.

doctors*, police officers, firemen, astronauts...

*who literally work themselves to death

Is it their right to do this? Yes.

Do I agree with the decision? No.

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It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.


This is not censorship, this is a market, and one market participant's decision to not partake in a deal offered by another participant.

There is no ban on the ads whatsoever as far as I can discern; it's just one broadcaster's decision to not air them, which is perfectly within their right.

If I made an ad asking people to publicly discredit, rather than thank, the troops, and some broadcasting company refused to air them - would you call that censorship too, or just someone exercising their right to refuse one advertiser's money and not provide service to them?

Good for them.

then complain to your government and see how far you get



doctors*, police officers, firemen, astronauts...

*who literally work themselves to death

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers. Police officers are corrupt and brutal. Fireman should be praised as well. Astronauts are unnecessary.

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers. What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Doctors are needed always, at all times, in war or in peace. As well, doctors do not create situations which justify a need for them.

Sorry Celt. Fox is hardly credible after the Americans killing SS soldiers at the Malmedy massacre.

For those that don't know. It started with O'Reilly during the Haditha murders. He made that statement and argued with General Clark when he corrected him. Six months latter! Same fight again! Fox had a timeline on their website where it was mentioned and they corrected it without a correction statement.

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers.
They save lives. If it isn't so important, how do they get away with the bills? honestly, the money is all the thanks they need....:p

Police officers are corrupt and brutal.

Right and soldiers never get corrupted or act brutally.....no...wait, they do.

Fireman should be praised as well.

yep

Astronauts are unnecessary.

Not as overpopulation grows to be a problem. (not to mention global warming and the general killing of our world....)

Have you been to their website?In the about section,they declare they are a "NONpartisan group dedicated to preserving,protecting,and defending conservative principles and promoting a conservative agenda."
Way to be non-partisan!

That's brilliant.

If you are not Conservative and anti-Liberal, then you are biased! :D

Is it their right to do this? Yes.

Do I agree with the decision? No.

I direct your attention here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13272936&postcount=26).

Good. The troops don't need our thanks. They need us to demand that they be brought home. The government should be supporting them, not us.

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers.

You have GOT to be kidding me. :rolleyes:


Police officers are corrupt and brutal.

Riiight. ALL police officers. Uhuh. :rolleyes: I happen to know three police officers (one in France, one in Canada, one in Belgium). None of them are brutal or corrupt. Funny, that.

Most of them are decent human beings, brave and dedicated. I find it supremely ironic that you demand praise for soldiers and yet you insult police officers.

See the ads here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S2uEM09Fs and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SQztt3ZC6U

It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.
Here is the full article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html

Well...the ads aren't exactly something I can agree with entirely, but I'm not really seeing a reason not to run them. Does someone have a non-Fox News article on this? I'm not inclined to read a source that biased. (Sorry Celt, but you gotta realize it IS biased, whether you like that fact or not.)

then complain to your government and see how far you get



doctors*, police officers, firemen, astronauts...

*who literally work themselves to death

Doctors get compensated very well for the hours they work. Police officers rarely have to defend themselves with their gun. In fact most never shoot their gun in the line of duty throughout their entire careers. Fireman are one of the most over glorified groups out there. If you really knew how much money they get paid for so little they work it would make most irritated. Astronauts are in it for the adventure and so far they haven't saved the world. Maybe when they divert a meteor or comet heading for Earth I will change my opinion.

So really no comparison to combat soldiers.

The organization might, but the ad itself is simply thanking soldiers for their service. There is nothing political about that.How is military service not political?

How is military service not political?

It is in the sense it is the strong arm of a nation. In that context it is very political. If you break it down to the soldier level you get all types of different people in the military. I served with every type of person from all walks of life and political spectrum's.

How is military service not political?

It depends on the level you're talking about, really. The average soldier/sailor/marine is not exactly political by themselves. They're just doing a job.

It's the organization and the use of it that is political.

Fireman are one of the most over glorified groups out there. If you really knew how much money they get paid for so little they work it would make most irritated.

careful now, I was actually starting to take you seriously then :D

It depends on the level you're talking about, really. The average soldier/sailor/marine is not exactly political by themselves. They're just doing a job.

talking as a guy with my small military exploits, that thinking is rather naive you don't just switch it off just so you' know (just pointing this out because I thought I could just be like this when I first signed on)

careful now, I was actually starting to take you seriously then :D

Ever known a fireman? What I said is true. ;)

It is in the sense it is the strong arm of a nation. In that context it is very political. If you break it down to the soldier level you get all types of different people in the military. I served with every type of person from all walks of life and political spectrum's.Oh, certainly individual soldiers aren't necessarily politically motivated, but the military itself is as you said "the strong arm of a nation".

It depends on the level you're talking about, really. The average soldier/sailor/marine is not exactly political by themselves. They're just doing a job.

It's the organization and the use of it that is political.I agree with both statements, but was referring specifically to the last part.

Ever known a fireman? What I said is true. ;)

I was a volunteer fireman for a few years ... bit different then a full timer but it added a tone of stress and danger to my life ...

I was a volunteer fireman for a few years ... bit different then a full timer but it added a tone of stress and danger to my life ...

As a volunteer you were not compensated as a full time fireman. Don't know if you got anything at all. Seeing how you had to work around your regular life and be a volunteer I can see how that can be stressful. The danger aspect is there in many professions. Statistically fireman is not the most dangerous job.

Those ads are bullshit.

You're never a hero for being away from home on the holidays.. Unless prisoners are heroes, too..

All troops are regular people, nothing special. And how the fuck do you expect them to see these ads in Iraq? Send a card, it costs less.

All troops are regular people, nothing special.

They are regular people that is true. However not everyone could be a combat soldier. That aspect of it is something special and should get a tip of the hat.

Have you been to their website?In the about section,they declare they are a "NONpartisan group dedicated to preserving,protecting,and defending conservative principles and promoting a conservative agenda."
Way to be non-partisan!

They say they are non-partisan, not impartial. There's a difference. Non-partisan means that you don't have loyalty to a particular party. It is possible to be ultra right-wing and not be partisan. Conservative means you're loyal to an agenda, not an agency.

It's partisan to favor Lieberman and Kucinich equally (or was back when he was nominally a Democrat), even though their politics couldn't be more different. It was partisan of John McCain to endorse George W. Bush after Rove's grotesque smear campaign. It's non-partisan to favor Joe Lieberman as much as Tom Delay, because while they're both conservative, they're not the same party.

They are regular people that is true. However not everyone could be a combat soldier. That aspect of it is something special and should get a tip of the hat.

You mean like health care from the V.A.?

They are regular people that is true. However not everyone could be a combat soldier. That aspect of it is something special and should get a tip of the hat.

So why don't we see ads on TV thanking doctors and what not?

So why don't we see ads on TV thanking doctors and what not?

If a doctors association wants to pay for one then why not. Also unless your a military doctor your life isnt in danger in combat.

If a doctors association wants to pay for one then why not. Also unless your a military doctor your life isnt in danger in combat.

Being in danger makes you a hero?!

Ever known a fireman? What I said is true. ;)

yes are ones went on strike in 2004 iirc

Being in danger makes you a hero?!

Put your life in constant danger for the benefit of others and you could make a very good case for being a hero. When I say benefiting others I narrow it down to either saving someones life at the risk of yours or freeing someone from the shackles of tyranny.

Put your life in constant danger for the benefit of others and you could make a very good case for being a hero.

your suggesting thats why people stay in the military rather than for the fun and adventure?

what is this 1914?!

your suggesting thats why people stay in the military rather than for the fun and adventure?

what is this 1914?!

Not everyone that goes into the military do "dangerous jobs". A supply clerk on a ship out at sea is not the same as a guy carrying a SAW in the battle of Fallujah. Many stay in for the sense of serving their nation on a personal level minus the politics of the nation.


The 1914 reference? Something about WWI....?

Put your life in constant danger for the benefit of others and you could make a very good case for being a hero. When I say benefiting others I narrow it down to either saving someones life at the risk of yours or freeing someone from the shackles of tyranny.

So most people who live in ghettos and gang members are heroes.

See the ads here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S2uEM09Fs and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SQztt3ZC6U

It seems NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics and wants it to remove its web address from the ads. This shows just how biased the mainstream media in this country is. They are playing censorship here.
Here is the full article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315944,00.html

I'm not surprised that NBC doesn't like Freedom Watch's politics.

Their website says their mission focuses on four main areas:

"The dangers of radical Islam and the emerging Iranian threat.

Advancing a conservative agenda and market-based solutions to pressing domestic problems.

Standing up to Big Labor’s radical agenda.

Preventing the degeneration of our society by stopping the legalization of controlled substances."

The organisation claims "Freedom’s Watch was formed to promote the common good and general welfare of the American people by supporting mainstream conservative public policies."

http://www.freedomswatch.org/About/tabid/38/Default.aspx

Running a Freedom Watch ad, no matter the content, is advertising the group, not the 'product'. Every Freedom Watch ad is a political ad, run under false pretence.


Finally - what the hell are these ads supposed to be about, anyway? Do you honestly think soldiers in the field give a shit about 'freedom watch' political propoganda, those cute little 'text your support' things they ran a while back... any of that? No. Maybe a handwritten letter to a soldier, let him know he's worth the time. Maybe a package sent. Maybe something real and concrete.

This kind of tv crap is all about making us feel better. It has nothing to do with supporting troops.

Eh if NBC wants to refuse to run the ad, then let them, they are a private broadcasting company. On the same token, those who feel like they were wrong for not running the ad can boycott NBC, or some other rational option, Of course I'm not going to boycott NBC, I need my Scrubs.

I demand equal airtime for mud-related issues! :mad:

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers. Police officers are corrupt and brutal. Fireman should be praised as well. Astronauts are unnecessary.

Yea, I don't know about you but if it wasn't for the Doctors that I've had in my life, I wouldn't be alive, if it wasn't for the Police Officers at my school, my school would probably been involved in another shooting, and Astronauts are expanding our horizon on Space, the Final Frontier. So I will thank my Doctor, Police Officers, Astronauts and Soldiers.

I demand equal airtime for mud-related issues! :mad:

So Mr. Goofball, how do you feel about mud being used in mud wrestling, where women in tight bikinis wrestle each other in mud?

So Mr. Goofball, how do you feel about mud being used in mud wrestling, where women in tight bikinis wrestle each other in mud?

I'm not against muddy aggressive women in tight bikinis. ...

At least, not as often as I'd like to be. :D

I'm not against muddy aggressive women in tight bikinis. ...

At least, not as often as I'd like to be. :D

I agree, now there's a lot of mud drying up because of poor hydration and as a result, not very many people get to enjoy mud. How do you plan to fix this problem?

I agree, now there's a lot of mud drying up because of poor hydration and as a result, not very many people get to enjoy mud. How do you plan to fix this problem?

Global Warming. :)

Global Warming. :)

Wouldn't that actually dry the mud more...?

Wouldn't that actually dry the mud more...?

But the ice caps will melt adding a bunch of water and lots of flooding ... it may indeed make lots of mud

But the ice caps will melt adding a bunch of water and lots of flooding ... it may indeed make lots of mud

Indeed, and powerful storms will churn the coastlines and increase wetlands and run-off from mountains will add more silt and ... excuse me. I'm drooling. :p

Thanking troops for their service is not political. It is polite.


And anybody who thinks that the actual point of these ads is just to thank the troops is naive.

Doctors are good, but not as important as soldiers. Police officers are corrupt and brutal. Fireman should be praised as well. Astronauts are unnecessary.

How utterly silly.

Doctors get compensated very well for the hours they work. Police officers rarely have to defend themselves with their gun. In fact most never shoot their gun in the line of duty throughout their entire careers. Fireman are one of the most over glorified groups out there. If you really knew how much money they get paid for so little they work it would make most irritated. Astronauts are in it for the adventure and so far they haven't saved the world. Maybe when they divert a meteor or comet heading for Earth I will change my opinion.

So really no comparison to combat soldiers.

So the only worthwhile professions are the ones that allow you to shoot things or blow them up?

Remind me never to hire you.

Ever known a fireman? What I said is true. ;)

Most of the firemen I know are volunteers. So no, not overpaid.

NBC can do as it chooses but I saw the add from that Youtube link and I would air it. It's nice but it doesn't make a difference.