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If you were the commissioner of the NFL and had a choice of two new teams added outside the United States where would you locate them? I personally think it will happen at some point in the future. I would like to see a team or two in Canada or even one in Mexico. What do you think?

I would put one in London and one in Paris. :D The Rivalry would be amazing!

I would put one in London and one in Paris. :D The Rivalry would be amazing!

Time zones prohibit and American football bombs over there. Canada and mexico are the only real options. Mexico sense the NFL is obbsessed with Hispanics right now and has a Spanish madden coming. Mexico City.

Time zones prohibit and American football bombs over there. Canada and mexico are the only real options. Mexico sense the NFL is obbsessed with Hispanics right now and has a Spanish madden coming. Mexico City.

Are there any Rivalries in Mexico or Canada that the NFL can profit off of?

Are there any Rivalries in Mexico or Canada that the NFL can profit off of?

They can make one.

They can make one.

Hmmm Mexico City & Ottawa.

Hmmm Mexico City & Ottawa.

or North West Mexico City soon.

Any addition of a Canadian team would hae to take into consideration Canadian Football.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_League

I'd personally like to see a San Diego-Tijuana rivalry.

I would put one in London and one in Paris. :D The Rivalry would be amazing!

The NFL would have to be re-named the NHL (National Handball League) for that to work, as both the Brits and the Frenchies have trouble recognising American Football as a sport, let alone as 'football'. And I believe there's already an NHL?

The "N" stands for what?

The NFL would have to be re-named the NHL (National Handball League) for that to work, as both the Brits and the Frenchies have trouble recognising American Football as a sport, let alone as 'football'. And I believe there's already an NHL?

What's really interesting, though, is that, in all probability, the "foot" comes from the fact that the sport is played on foot instead of on horseback-- in the time that the common ancestor to football of all variations originated, most of the sports and such Nobles would participate would be on horseback, whereas peasants played on foot. Hence "football." Originally, of course, it was a lot less organized, and I think they used inflated animal bladders or some such thing.

This common ancestor evolved into several different sports that are played today, such as soccer, gridiron(American) football, rugby, Australian football, etc.

Random things I've learned in random places! Weeee!

If you were the commissioner of the NFL and had a choice of two new teams added outside the United States where would you locate them? I personally think it will happen at some point in the future. I would like to see a team or two in Canada or even one in Mexico. What do you think?
You know we have the CFL right?

The "N" stands for what?The same thing it stands for in NHL.

The NFL can't even keep a team in Los Angeles, yet they ought to expand into an international league?

Folly, I say.

The "N" stands for what?

Not wussy soccer....

You know we have the CFL right?

Wasn't born yesterday. Maybe fold the CFL into the NFL?

You know we have the CFL right?

Do you think that really matters?

The "N" stands for what?

Negro? I kid. I kid cos I love

Negro? I kid. I kid cos I love

*lol
Either way, I don't see it catching on. I mean, if we want to beat people up as a team, there's always Rugby... and that's played without that silly-wussy massive body armour equipment. More fun :D

*lol
Either way, I don't see it catching on. I mean, if we want to beat people up as a team, there's always Rugby... and that's played without that silly-wussy massive body armour equipment. More fun :D

We don't get as aroused about big scores either.

We don't get as aroused about big scores either.

Nope. We like small and neat, thank you. ;)

The NFL can't even keep a team in Los Angeles, yet they ought to expand into an international league?

Folly, I say.

quoted for truth. Put an NFL team in the LA Coliseum before expanding elsewhere.

I don't want to see an expansion anyways. The 32 team set-up works very well and 33 teams or 34 teams would throw it off balance. Just have a team relocate to LA.

It's the same reason why I think baseball needs to either add 2 teams or contract the Marlins and D-Rays. (and move the Brewers back to the AL)

I would put one in London and one in Paris. :D The Rivalry would be amazing!

I think we already have a team in London?

You know we have the CFL right?


My understanding of Canadian football is that all the teams are named the rough riders.

*lol
Either way, I don't see it catching on. I mean, if we want to beat people up as a team, there's always Rugby... and that's played without that silly-wussy massive body armour equipment. More fun :D

Someone doesn't watch much football if he thinks that they can play without pads.

Just look at last night's game. Three players had season ending knee injuries. Garay's injury could be career threatening.

On another subject, the NFL needs to make chop blocking illegal when one lineman holds the other guy up.

There's a huge market here for it. I would absorb the CFL into the NFL and see how to make that work then one would have to extend the schedule past an 18 week system. to acomidate all teams.....then if the popularity grows make expansions into central and south America, I would have a foot ball world cup where you would have 36 teams in each geographical ranking competing for a football world cup an Example:


North America

Indianapolis (Superbowl Champs in North America)
Chicago (Runner Up)
Pittsburgh (Qualification Bowls)
New York (QB)
Mexico City (QB)
Toronto (QB)


South America

Sao Paulo (Super Bowl Champs in South America)
Rio De Jeniero (Runner Up )
Caracas (QB)
Bogota (QB)
Lima (QB)
Medellen (QB)


Europe
Asia
Central Asia
Western Asia
South Asia
Oceana
Southern Africa
Central Africa
North Africa

Someone doesn't watch much football if he thinks that they can play without pads.

Just look at last night's game. Three players had season ending knee injuries. Garay's injury could be career threatening.

On another subject, the NFL needs to make chop blocking illegal when one lineman holds the other guy up.

Someone doesn't watch Rugby if he thinks they're necessary :p

There's a huge market here for it. I would absorb the CFL into the NFL and see how to make that work then one would have to extend the schedule past an 18 week system. to acomidate all teams.....then if the popularity grows make expansions into central and south America, I would have a foot ball world cup where you would have 36 teams in each geographical ranking competing for a football world cup an Example:


North America

Indianapolis (Superbowl Champs in North America)
Chicago (Runner Up)
Pittsburgh (Qualification Bowls)
New York (QB)
Mexico City (QB)
Toronto (QB)


South America

Sao Paulo (Super Bowl Champs in South America)
Rio De Jeniero (Runner Up )
Caracas (QB)
Bogota (QB)
Lima (QB)
Medellen (QB)


Europe
Asia
Central Asia
Western Asia
South Asia
Oceana
Southern Africa
Central Africa
North Africa

this is a mondo idea! i mean i would prob try and bring in the London team too or create a whole new league in Europe and after every season, the winner of the NFL plays the winner in the EFL and that would be friggin sweet!

*lol
Either way, I don't see it catching on. I mean, if we want to beat people up as a team, there's always Rugby... and that's played without that silly-wussy massive body armour equipment. More fun :D

American Football was born from Rugby about 130-140 years ago.

this is a mondo idea! i mean i would prob try and bring in the London team too or create a whole new league in Europe and after every season, the winner of the NFL plays the winner in the EFL and that would be friggin sweet!

Would we get "Football Hooligans" in the US then? Could you imagine a European hooligan group up against the "Raiders" fan club. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Someone doesn't watch Rugby if he thinks they're necessary :p

We have to protect those over paid athletes my friend. You don't want your star player getting millions per game to go down easily with a injury.

American 'football' is just a pussy version of rugby. Funny how in all of america's major sports they don't compete against anyone else. Take off your padding and helmets and you'll have plenty of world teams to kick your arse!

Nope. We like small and neat, thank you. ;)

So do we but not in our men.

Would we get "Football Hooligans" in the US then? Could you imagine a European hooligan group up against the "Raiders" fan club. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Darth Raider would kill them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morganjones/63820053/
(That guy has been going to Raiders games like that for 25 years)

American 'football' is just a pussy version of rugby. Funny how in all of america's major sports they don't compete against anyone else. Take off your padding and helmets and you'll have plenty of world teams to kick your arse!

You take your best UK soccer or rugby team and we will pit them against a NFL team in a cage match to the death. I wonder how that would turn out?

American 'football' is just a pussy version of rugby. Funny how in all of america's major sports they don't compete against anyone else. Take off your padding and helmets and you'll have plenty of world teams to kick your arse!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l4IgTSydfIw
this is why pads are worn in football. We wear pads because football players know how to hit. Rugby players are just a bunch of pansies who can't hit worth shit.

You take your best UK soccer or rugby team and we will pit them against a NFL team in a cage match to the death. I wonder how that would turn out?

Ratings through the fucking roof.

Ratings through the fucking roof.

It would be a ratings coup. The world could be ending and people would watch this match. :p

You take your best UK soccer or rugby team and we will pit them against a NFL team in a cage match to the death. I wonder how that would turn out?

Heh our ruger bugers would definatly beat the best of NFL.

It would be a ratings coup. The world could be ending and people would watch this match. :p

The world would be ending because everyone would be watching this.

You take your best UK soccer or rugby team and we will pit them against a NFL team in a cage match to the death. I wonder how that would turn out?

Dick Butkus + LT (not the runningback, the real LT) in their prime >>>> entire rugby teams

Heh our ruger bugers would definatly beat the best of NFL.

Bah! There is only one way to solve this....

Dick Butkus + LT (not the runningback, the real LT) in their prime >>>> entire rugby teams

You named possibly the two biggest bad-ass players. I say they can take on whole rugby leagues let alone a wussy team.

You named possibly the two biggest bad-ass players. I say they can take on whole rugby leagues let alone a wussy team.

I detect some slight exageration here.

You know we have the CFL right?

Three downs with a field that's too damned big. A curiosity, but not the real thing.

Dick Butkus + LT (not the runningback, the real LT) in their prime >>>> entire rugby teams

Lyle Alzado
John Matuzak
Mark Gastineau
Bruce Smith
Ronnie Lott
Kenny Easley
The entire Steelers D-line and Linebackers from the 70s.


As for where teams should go, expand to 40 and do this:

WESTERN CONFERENCE

NORTHWEST
Oakland
San Francisco
Seattle
Vancouver

SOUTHWEST
Los Angeles
Guadalajara (or Monterey -- no athlete can survive the air pollution + altitude in Mexico City)
Arizona
San Diego

MIDWEST
Denver
Winnipeg
Calgary
Kansas City

CENTRAL
Dallas
Houston
St. Louis
New Orleans

(WEST) LAKES
Chicago
Indianapolis
Green Bay
Minnesota

EASTERN CONFERENCE

(EAST) LAKES
Toronto
Cleveland
Detroit
Buffalo

MIDEAST
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Washington
Carolina

NORTHEAST
Montreal
New England
St. Johns (A drunken Newfie team? How would that not be fun to watch? Perhaps base them in Halifax for shorter travel distances)
New York Giants

SOUTHEAST
Miami
Tampa Bay
Jacksonville
Atlanta

METRO
New Jersey Jets (Meadowlands, y'all, c'mon)
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Washington

Do away with "AFC" and "NFC" as those divisions are completely arbitrary (unlike baseball, where the two leagues have at least one different rule). This arrangement also saves money on travel (as best as I could without actual distances to work with...I eyeballed it) within conference play, and gets rid of the stupidity that is having Dallas in the "NFC East". Division winners and three wild card teams from each conference for a bracket-style playoff with no bye week, top 4 seeds in each conference get home games, highest remaining seeds after round one are the home teams. Superbowl played at a neutral site.

St. Johns (A drunken Newfie team? How would that not be fun to watch?)

That would be a match for the fact we have a team in little old Green Bay. Fans probably would be the same too.

I detect some slight exageration here.

You mean calling rugby teams wussies. That is an exaggeration because they are really pansies. I was being nice really. ;)

You mean calling rugby teams wussies. That is an exaggeration because they are really pansies. I was being nice really. ;)

Not putting on pads as an excuse to try to kill each other makes you a wuss now?

Not putting on pads as an excuse to try to kill each other makes you a wuss now?

I am speaking of general size of the men that play American Football as compared to the general size of the boys that play rugby. The pads are because people were getting injured seriously on football fields. The pads were not a luxury but a necessity.

Okay, the Great Realignment (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13270256&postcount=45) with 40 teams is complete. Check it out.

That would be a match for the fact we have a team in little old Green Bay. Fans probably would be the same too.

Nice to know someone caught that. Thanks!

Bah, this sort of topic always turns into the usual "American football vs. real football" bollocks too quickly.

mexico city and what ever canadas capital is

mexico city and what ever canadas capital is

'Tis far better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l4IgTSydfIw
this is why pads are worn in football. We wear pads because football players know how to hit. Rugby players are just a bunch of pansies who can't hit worth shit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_bRQHE_JcQ

And these are hits done without pads

rugby players are definately not wusses

I am speaking of general size of the men that play American Football as compared to the general size of the boys that play rugby. The pads are because people were getting injured seriously on football fields. The pads were not a luxury but a necessity.

Ah this old argument again, I believe the last time it came up the counter argument was that all the 'big men' almost never hit having run longer than a couple of yards so are travelling slowly. While the ones that do hit at any sort of speed are of a comparable weight to many rugby players.

As for expansion, I'm skeptical. NFL Europe failed, and there's limited interest in NFL in most of Europe.


You take your best UK soccer or rugby team and we will pit them against a NFL team in a cage match to the death. I wonder how that would turn out?
33 against 15? Yes that'll be a fair comparison.

If you were the commissioner of the NFL and had a choice of two new teams added outside the United States where would you locate them? I personally think it will happen at some point in the future. I would like to see a team or two in Canada or even one in Mexico. What do you think?

I think that you can try all you like to export a truly atrocious game, but you're not going to have much success.

Good Lord, can we LEAVE the prick-waving about which sport is more manly alone for once? Both sports have their complexities, violence and athleticism, and they CANNOT be compared for being so different. Let it GO for fuck's sake. We all like what we like and that doesn't mean we have to piss on everything else.

I think that you can try all you like to export a truly atrocious game, but you're not going to have much success.

How is it atrocious?

Anyway, having played both Football and Rugby without pads, I'd say they're about comparable. Of course the major difference in rugby and football is that tackles are executed in a different manner. In rugby you usually want to control your tackle so that your team can recover the ball, whereas in Football you're just trying to pound the other guy into a pulp so he fumbles it and your team gets a chance at picking it up. I personally like rugby better, much more teamwork involved, where I find hard pressed to consider football a team sport since teamwork is fairly nil (you work towards the same goal, but basically independently). I usually play the 4 or 5 man btw, I love rucking and scums.

I also think football is kinda silly, stopping all the time and having so many sides (def/offense), I feel like they must have little endurance by comparison.

Good Lord, can we LEAVE the prick-waving about which sport is more manly alone for once? Both sports have their complexities, violence and athleticism, and they CANNOT be compared for being so different. Let it GO for fuck's sake. We all like what we like and that doesn't mean we have to piss on everything else.

Does so! and we all know that Ballet is for real men!

Does so! and we all know that Ballet is for real men!

Sure is (http://performingarts.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ballet-folklorico-male-jumping-cropped.jpg)!

The NFL is what it is: the NATIONAL Football League, not the International Football League. Now unless you are talking about annexing Mexico and Canada, something I'm not against at all, then I would have a team in Mexico City and one in Ottawa, with more teams to follow. However, if this were to happen, there has to be 2 new teams added to the regular league: Los Angeles and another city to be named later, maybe even another LA team (the Rams and the Raiders were both in LA in the 80's). So unless you are talking about annexing Canada and Mexico as the 51st and 52nd state, then I would have to say NO to adding international teams in the NFL. Ever. Period. :upyours:

So unless you are talking about annexing Canada and Mexico as the 51st and 52nd state, then I would have to say NO to adding international teams in the NFL. Ever. Period. :upyours:

You've got some spittle on your lapel.

You've got some spittle on your lapel.

Bwahahahaha!:D

Thanks to this sinus infection I've had for the past five days, my mouth is dried out like a riverbed in the Mojave desert. I wish I could spit, at least something that isn't mucousy or bloody. Yuck. Being sick really sucks, especially with the weekend coming up! :mad:

Thanks to this sinus infection I've had for the past five days, my mouth is dried out like a riverbed in the Mojave desert. I wish I could spit, at least something that isn't mucousy or bloody. Yuck. Being sick really sucks, especially with the weekend coming up! :mad:

No that's a very good point, I totaly agree, I feel this way myself about the NFL!:D

I find hard pressed to consider football a team sport since teamwork is fairly nil (you work towards the same goal, but basically independently).


Please explain.

Good Lord, can we LEAVE the prick-waving about which sport is more manly alone for once? Both sports have their complexities, violence and athleticism, and they CANNOT be compared for being so different. Let it GO for fuck's sake. We all like what we like and that doesn't mean we have to piss on everything else.

What?! You dare suggest that there exists in this world more than one sport worth playing, and that two sports with different rules can both be enjoyable?! :eek:

What?! You dare suggest that there exists in this world more than one sport worth playing, and that two sports with different rules can both be enjoyable?! :eek:

Of course not: Obviously, everybody should play Cricket... ;)

Good news for American Football ánd Europe-lovers: There are teams in both Paris and London. I had to wiki a little, but I found the name "Templiers" (probably French for "Templars", I dunno) for Paris and "Blitz" for London.

As for my own country, I know there is or at least was a team for Amsterdam (the "Admirals"), but last I heard was that they were struggling financially since so few people came to see matches or something like that.

What?! You dare suggest that there exists in this world more than one sport worth playing, and that two sports with different rules can both be enjoyable?! :eek:

Blasphemy, burn him.