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I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

Beat up her boyfriend, grab her into your arms and ride off together into the Sunset on a Motorcycle! *nods*

Beat up her boyfriend, grab her into your arms and ride off together into the Sunset on a Motorcycle! *nods*

Good idea.
Unfortunately, don't think it would work. People tend to object to that sort of thing.:D

On the other hand...*grins evilly*

1) you want to ride that sweet ass, love is meaningless in the matter

2) the Senior won't be able to kick your ass if you steal his girl, everyone can realize that if he did he would look an even more of a loser

3) er..try talking to her, you don't have a chance in hell of course but she will be the gym horse which you will use to leap to the other side! (she has friends who are likely to be lonely at some point)

4) being a JV football player is something to be ashamed of

1) you want to ride that sweet ass, love is meaningless in the matter

2) the Senior won't be able to kick your ass if you steal his girl, everyone can realize that if he did he would look an even more of a loser

3) er..try talking to her, you don't have a chance in hell of course but she will be the gym horse which you will use to leap to the other side! (she has friends who are likely to be lonely at some point)

4) being a JV football player is something to be ashamed of

1) Probably true. Even if I wouldn't admit it if it is.
2) Yeah, but all the same, that can't exactly do loads for my social life.
3) I'll look wierd if I do try to talk to her. Realistically, I don't have anything to ask her about!
It's not my fault it's damn near impossible for freshmen to play varsity!

Actually talk to her...so she knows who you are and fuck it when the time comes be there for her.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

to answer the first question, well, you're growing up. You're becoming a man. You may notice some changes in your body: hair appearing in new areas, new smells, and new feelings. The changes are caused by "puberty". Can you say that? Good. I knew you could. ;)

As for the second, well, there's really two parts to that question.
part one: your crush will pass. Usually, in a few weeks. In the mean time, talk to her.
part two: When you get a hardon, I suggest a strategically placed book. Hands in th pocket works too. Or tuck it up between your stomach and waistband. That doesn't work in gym, but is probably the most effective in class.

just enjoy adoring her from afar. it gives you something to do, a reason to be in the halls, whatever.

dont try to make something of it. just keep it to yourself and maybe someday you can meet her as an adult (10-20 years from now) and confessing that you were completely in love with her will help you get laid then.

Get over it. Nothing in high school actually matters.

Get over it. Nothing in high school actually matters.

This man knows his shit...I'm a sophomore and it really doesn't.

to answer the first question, well, you're growing up. You're becoming a man. You may notice some changes in your body: hair appearing in new areas, new smells, and new feelings. The changes are caused by "puberty". Can you say that? Good. I knew you could. ;)

As for the second, well, there's really two parts to that question.
part one: your crush will pass. Usually, in a few weeks. In the mean time, talk to her.
part two: When you get a hardon, I suggest a strategically placed book. Hands in th pocket works too. Or tuck it up between your stomach and waistband. That doesn't work in gym, but is probably the most effective in class.

Haha. :rolleyes: *while cracking up*
I'm pretty sure it won't pass in a few weeks. It hasn't been a few weeks, but I'm fairly sure that won't help. That's because it has been a few months.
I don't have to worry about hiding getting hard or anything. I have a feeling she isn't looking there or anything on me.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

1) You're a freshman, life's supposed to suck.
2) If you wait, within 6 months, they will probably break up. If they don't, it means they're probably having sex, and you might have to wait awhile longer. The rule for any highschool dating relationship is that it must end within 6 months if sex doesn't happen, you might want to remember this.
3) It might help to actually say something to her.

My advice, don't worry about it. You might think you're in love and it's going to last forever, but it won't.

er... I may not be in High School yet, but I know High schoolers.... They say Relationships last like, 2 or 3 weeks, that's why I don't date! *mumbles* plus I'm the laughing stalk of the school.... *stops mumbling

1) 3) It might help to actually say something to her.

My advice, don't worry about it. You might think you're in love and it's going to last forever, but it won't.

Actually talk to her...so she knows who you are and fuck it when the time comes be there for her.

I can see it now...
"Hi. I'm someone you've never met or talked to before, just saying hi for absolutely no reason."
"Get away from me you creep." *Shoves poor me out of the way* *I laugh at mental me's pain for unknown reasons*

And BTW, no, I don't think its love and that it will last forever for a few simple reasons:
A) It's a tad hard to fall in love with someone when you've never talked to them before and it will likely stay thatway.
B) She's going to college next year, so odds are I'll forget about her by then at the latest.

2) Yeah, but all the same, that can't exactly do loads for my social life.

screwing an older chick was like a dream when I was a kid, what gives?

3) I'll look wierd if I do try to talk to her. Realistically, I don't have anything to ask her about!

shes a woman use that to your advantage and if all else fails and she asks why your talking to her claim "I'm new and was just looking to make some friends" (this will naturally appeal to a innermost memory of when she had to find friends and thus sympathy)

part two: When you get a hardon, I suggest a strategically placed book. Hands in th pocket works too. Or tuck it up between your stomach and waistband. That doesn't work in gym, but is probably the most effective in class.

holes in pockets FTW!

just keep it to yourself and maybe someday you can meet her as an adult (10-20 years from now) and confessing that you were completely in love with her will help you get laid then.

isn't that slightly creepy though :confused:

Trying to steal her from her boyfriend more than likely won't work, will piss her off and generates bad relationship karma.

You can always settle on being her friend. If she is interested in you, when her and her boyfriend break up, you're ready. Oh, the whole "we've been freinds too long, I just can't see you as a boyfriend" is really code for "Uh, no."

just enjoy adoring her from afar. it gives you something to do, a reason to be in the halls, whatever.

dont try to make something of it. just keep it to yourself and maybe someday you can meet her as an adult (10-20 years from now) and confessing that you were completely in love with her will help you get laid then.

I like that idea. :D

I can see it now...
"Hi. I'm someone you've never met or talked to before, just saying hi for absolutely no reason."
"Get away from me you creep." *Shoves poor me out of the way* *I laugh at mental me's pain for unknown reasons*

And BTW, no, I don't think its love and that it will last forever for a few simple reasons:
A) It's a tad hard to fall in love with someone when you've never talked to them before and it will likely stay thatway.
B) She's going to college next year, so odds are I'll forget about her by then at the latest.

You're not very social...that's the worst pick-up line I've ever heard.

Haha. :rolleyes: *while cracking up*
I'm pretty sure it won't pass in a few weeks. It hasn't been a few weeks, but I'm fairly sure that won't help. That's because it has been a few months.Haha...sorry...I blame it on the paper I'm working on.

It will pass, given time. If she doesn't even really know know you exist, then it's just lust. Like I said, it will pass. In the mean time, doesn't hurt to start talking to her. Who knows, she might end up a good friend.
I don't have to worry about hiding getting hard or anything. I have a feeling she isn't looking there or anything on me.

Not so much her looking...I was more thinking your teachers and classmates when you get called to the board during math class.
*has flashbacks*

No wonder I hated math...


Tho, thinking about it...perhaps that is what is needed to gain her affection...

Wow...my mind is amazingly gutterish today...

I can see it now...
"Hi. I'm someone you've never met or talked to before, just saying hi for absolutely no reason."
"Get away from me you creep." *Shoves poor me out of the way* *I laugh at mental me's pain for unknown reasons*

And BTW, no, I don't think its love and that it will last forever for a few simple reasons:
A) It's a tad hard to fall in love with someone when you've never talked to them before and it will likely stay thatway.
B) She's going to college next year, so odds are I'll forget about her by then at the latest.

If you don't say anything, you've got no chance.

So she's a senior? Good luck!

Are you in any of the same classes?

holes in pockets FTW!

Sarky's kinda creepy confession of the day:
So I have a favorite pair of jeans, and the pocket has a massive hole. I was joking around with a friend of mine, and said "Come here little girl. I have some candy in my pocket. Reach in and grab some."

She did, again, jokingly, and discovered the hole.

She then gave me that "Oh god, my friend really is a pedophile" look. :(

screwing an older chick was like a dream when I was a kid, what gives?

It is a dream.
I meant the bit where I beat up her boyfriend won't exactly do wonders for me, actually.

shes a woman use that to your advantage and if all else fails and she asks why your talking to her claim "I'm new and was just looking to make some friends" (this will naturally appeal to a innermost memory of when she had to find friends and thus sympathy)

Umm...okay...

holes in pockets FTW!

NO COMMENT.

Sarky's kinda creepy confession of the day:
So I have a favorite pair of jeans, and the pocket has a massive hole. I was joking around with a friend of mine, and said "Come here little girl. I have some candy in my pocket. Reach in and grab some."

She did, again, jokingly, and discovered the hole.

She then gave me that "Oh god, my friend really is a pedophile" look. :(

BUSTED!

Are you in any of the same classes?

I'm a freshman. She's a senior. Answer is an unfortunate no.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

I have no idea. I generally try not to fall in love with upperclassman girls w/ bfs.

You're not very social...that's the worst pick-up line I've ever heard.

T'was meant as a joke. I'm not that stupid, all evidence to the contrary aside.

Um, the whole Sympathy has worked for me before... even if I am the Laughing stalk of the school!

I have no idea. I generally try not to fall in love with upperclassman girls w/ bfs.

It's not my fault! It's those hormones running my head again!

See above. I'm a freshman. She's a senior. Answer is an unfortunate no.

Some classes are mixed where I went to school. Do you know what her interests are? What are her after school/extra cirricular activities? Is she a member of the drama club?

BUSTED!
*shrug*...got me more action than I had gotten in a few weeks. Damn finals.
NO COMMENT.
That means he has them ;)

T'was meant as a joke. I'm not that stupid, all evidence to the contrary aside.
You're a boy, and you're 14. I hate to break it to you, but you likely are that stupid (atleast in this aspect of life).
If it's any consolation, I'm a boy and 21, and it only gets worse.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

1. Talk to her.
2. Failing that (and not trying to sound harsh) forget it.

It's not my fault! It's those hormones running my head again!

I'm a high school freshman as well, so you don't have to tell me about it. Be her friend if you can, I guess.

isn't that slightly creepy though :confused:


not necessarily. when he is 24-34 years old, he'll know enough to tell whether or not telling her would be productive.

Do something Realy cool/stupid and maybe you'll get attention. Make sure you do the act around her/friends of hers....

Some classes are mixed where I went to school. Do you know what her interests are? What are her after school/extra cirricular activities? Is she a member of the drama club?

The two of the electives I'm taking are more or less freshies and/or sophmores: Spanish and Gym. And I know that she's not in my photo class.

As for her interests: the only thing I know for sure is that she's one of the best people on the girl's dive team. And the local pool dive team. And she's a lifeguard in the summer.

This is the first time in history this has occured I am sure.

As for her interests: the only thing I know for sure is that she's one of the best people on the girl's dive team. And the local pool dive team. And she's a lifeguard in the summer.

I'm curious why you think you're in love with someone you obviously know very little about.

And she's a lifeguard in the summer.

BOW-CHICKA-WOW-WOW

Try "Drowning" while she's on duty!

*shrug*...got me more action than I had gotten in a few weeks. Damn finals.

That means he has them ;)

*Laughs to the point where it sort of hurts*

You're a boy, and you're 14. I hate to break it to you, but you likely are that stupid (atleast in this aspect of life).
If it's any consolation, I'm a boy and 21, and it only gets worse.

Thanks a lot. Now I know I have so much to look foward to...:(

I'm curious why you think you're in love with someone you obviously know very little about.

because "lust" makes it sound dirty.

What about my Reply? :mp5:

I'm curious why you think you're in love with someone you obviously know very little about.

Never said it was love. Said it was a particularly strong liking for her that won't go away, despite the fact that I don't know her and I know it will never work out.

The two of the electives I'm taking are more or less freshies and/or sophmores: Spanish and Gym. And I know that she's not in my photo class.

As for her interests: the only thing I know for sure is that she's one of the best people on the girl's dive team. And the local pool dive team. And she's a lifeguard in the summer.

Dive as in scuba or as in off a diving board?

Photo as in photography?

You need a reason to talk to her. It generally creeps people out when you talk to them for no reason.

Just trying to brainstorm ideas for excuses to talk to her.

BOW-CHICKA-WOW-WOW

Try "Drowning" while she's on duty!

Do something Realy cool/stupid and maybe you'll get attention. Make sure you do the act around her/friends of hers....

my answers to your problem...

*Laughs to the point where it sort of hurts*



Thanks a lot. Now I know I have so much to look foward to...:(

Don't worry...the best part of my life has been the fact that I actually did grow up from the age of 16-20...then I turned 21, and realized I had more fun when I was 18 and reverted back to being an ass.

being stupid is fun. It gives you an excuse to dick around and make mistakes.
I, for example, learned that the pickup line "Can I buy you a drink, or do you just want the money" is considered offensive, but "Does this rag smell like chloroform" or "She'll have a roofie colada, heavy on the roofies, hold the colada" get a laugh.

In all honesty, you'll never "get" girls, because they are each hugely different. I can approach 10 girls in the same way, and I will get 10 different reactions. Moreover, I could approach the same girl 10 different days in the same way, and still get 10 different reactions. Only way to get through it all is to grow some balls and plow through...sorry...poor word choice there, but I'm leaving it.

When I was a freshman in HS, I was really quiet. Hell, I was really quiet till college. Now, I'm quite outspoken. Quiet and polite worked for me then. Outspoken and jokester work for me now...I could never begin to tell you what may or may not work for you in relation to this girl...there's just too much to take into consideration

Just find a reason to talk to her. If you know she's going to be certain places, then try to go and get in her circle or at least get an introduction. Doesn't sound too good though.

It's high school. Timing is everything, no matter if you want a piece at a party or a relationship. And you should probably be looking at the former. It's very hard to have a relationship with a girl older than you when you can't drive. Kills your mojo really. Should concentrate on the freshman hotties, maybe one of her friends if you know of any. Girls like to talk. Unless of course you are a lousy lay, then it would backfire.

~~~

It could be worse - you could be me. Just over two weeks ago I was hit by a car while I was crossing the road, and I consider that to be one of the highlights of my life. Now I could come up with an entire list of things that have contributed to making my life a misery, but I have to go to my soul-destroying, underpaid job in six hours and I just don't have the time. Besides, self-pity never got anybody anywhere. Neither did optimism or hope, for that matter...

I recommend alcohol. It doesn't help, but it does make you more charming. At least to yourself.

It generally creeps people out when you talk to them for no reason.

So how YOU doin?

I recommend alcohol. It doesn't help, but it does make you more charming. At least to yourself.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v306/zbronto/?action=view&current=Tequila.flv
Yep...mom sent me that...

So how YOU doin?
:eek:

*flees*


*hides in a locker*

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v306/zbronto/?action=view&current=Tequila.flv
Yep...mom sent me that...

Hehe! Well I don't know about you, but I'm sold!

Hehe! Well I don't know about you, but I'm sold!

Mom and dad fully accept and support my alcohol habits. :)

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

Let me guess, you got smallpox?

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

Bugger; the love virus is even worse than smallpox. Well, fate is taunting you my friend, what you need to do is realise that she is out of your league and that she is interested in older guys. The best thing to do in this situation is remind yourself; she is out of your league, you can never have her.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Think about other things. If I have troubles like this, I always try to remember the tune of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries and other glorious things and I usually stop thinking about it. Also, it would be useful to invest in a long coat if you are suffering from potentially embrassing issues.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?

Because you are letting your emotions control you. There is a reason why the brain is at the top of the body - it is because it should be superior and better. The brain is logical and if you let the brain have control, this would not be happening.

Any ideas on what I should do?

Bring your brain back into control, realise that the girl is out of your league and that you have absolutely no chance with her. Utilise your time into other things which are far more productive than worrying about females; after all, relationships are a complete and utter waste of time.

What about my Reply? :mp5:

Thank you for the vote of confidence.

Let me guess, you got smallpox?

Nope. Nasty cold though.:)

Bugger; the love virus is even worse than smallpox. Well, fate is taunting you my friend, what you need to do is realise that she is out of your league and that she is interested in older guys. The best thing to do in this situation is remind yourself; she is out of your league, you can never have her.

Tried that. Emotions/hormones seem to have other ideas though.

Think about other things. If I have troubles like this, I always try to remember the tune of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries and other glorious things and I usually stop thinking about it. Also, it would be useful to invest in a long coat if you are suffering from potentially embrassing issues.

Tried thinking about other things. Didn't work terribly well. And I'm not suffering from "potentially embarrassing issues."

Because you are letting your emotions control you. There is a reason why the brain is at the top of the body - it is because it should be superior and better. The brain is logical and if you let the brain have control, this would not be happening.

Tried that repeatedly. As I said before though, emotions/hormones have other ideas.Hate to tell you this, but humans aren't completely rational. It would make things so much easier if we were, but we aren't.

Bring your brain back into control, realise that the girl is out of your league and that you have absolutely no chance with her. Utilise your time into other things which are far more productive than worrying about females; after all, relationships are a complete and utter waste of time.

See everything else in this response.

Let me guess, you got smallpox?



Bugger; the love virus is even worse than smallpox. Well, fate is taunting you my friend, what you need to do is realise that she is out of your league and that she is interested in older guys. The best thing to do in this situation is remind yourself; she is out of your league, you can never have her.



Think about other things. If I have troubles like this, I always try to remember the tune of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries and other glorious things and I usually stop thinking about it. Also, it would be useful to invest in a long coat if you are suffering from potentially embrassing issues.



Because you are letting your emotions control you. There is a reason why the brain is at the top of the body - it is because it should be superior and better. The brain is logical and if you let the brain have control, this would not be happening.



Bring your brain back into control, realise that the girl is out of your league and that you have absolutely no chance with her. Utilise your time into other things which are far more productive than worrying about females; after all, relationships are a complete and utter waste of time.

http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200502/new-050225-salute/320x240.jpg

Live long and prosper.

Thank you for the vote of confidence.

...... no comments of Faking that your "Drowning" while she's on guard? or doing some cool/dumb crud in fron of her or her friends? XO

...... no comments of Faking that your "Drowning" while she's on guard? or doing some cool/dumb crud in fron of her or her friends? XO

hmm...I sort of like it...*grins evilly*

Sorry, my internet connection died on me for a little bit. Had to reconnect it.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

Don't do anything but dream your with her at night, that way you won't cause yourself trouble and you'll probably be able to focus more on school if the dreams appease you.

It could be worse - you could be me. Just over two weeks ago I was hit by a car while I was crossing the road, and I consider that to be one of the highlights of my life. Now I could come up with an entire list of things that have contributed to making my life a misery, but I have to go to my soul-destroying, underpaid job in six hours and I just don't have the time. Besides, self-pity never got anybody anywhere. Neither did optimism or hope, for that matter...

I recommend alcohol. It doesn't help, but it does make you more charming. At least to yourself.

Thank you for that bit of perspective, little ray of sunshine.

hey, that's what people seem to do to get into the crowds they want. Do something crazy/life-threatening@

:p

hey, that's what people seem to do to get into the crowds they want. Do something crazy/life-threatening@

:p

Does rolling a hundred feet down a steep hill count?

Is she watching? That's the real question!

Is she watching? That's the real question!

Nope. Just the football team. And a few very confused middle schoolers. Unfortunately.
Besides, come to think of it, she strikes me as one of those people who wouldn't be impressed or amused(well, maybe amused) by that, she'd probably just say, "oh look, he's so stupid."

Get over it. Nothing in high school actually matters.

Bingo. I only graduated 7 years ago and I hardly remember anyone from high school.

Nope. Just the football team. And a few very confused middle schoolers. Unfortunately.

um.... Get her to watch? That or run down the halls in a Banana Suit Screaming the song "IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!" That'll get attention, both good AND bad....

if your not Familiar with the song, here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4 :mp5:

If you don't like how she doesn't know you exist, do something to change it. Don't just sit there whining and complaining about the horrors of your life.

I never quite realized how many socially awkward people are on NS.

Anyway, basically I'm gonna be straight up honest with you, you seem like the kinda guy that would appreciate it. Right now you don't have a shot in hell...Stay back, admire from afar, believe me this infatuation will pass. And to contradict some douche; relationships, at least in my life's experience, tend to last longer if you don't have sex. Unless there is a powerful and genuine commitment. The relationships that I've been in that didn't involve sex lasted usually around 7-9 months. When we did finally break up it was not a mean or angry. The relationships my friends have been in that involved sex (I'm a virgin so I really have no experience in this matter) usually last about 2 weeks after they have sex and nasty actions and words are said and done when they break up. Feel free to tg if you have any lingering comments or doubts...


On another note outta of curiosity what position do you play? I use to play tight-end for my school....Until i switched to soccer :D

if your not Familiar with the song, here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4 :mp5:

That's probably not the best idea. And don't worry. I'm very familiar with the song.

I never quite realized how many socially awkward people are on NS.

Anyway, basically I'm gonna be straight up honest with you, you seem like the kinda guy that would appreciate it. Right now you don't have a shot in hell...Stay back, admire from afar, believe me this infatuation will pass. And to contradict some douche; relationships, at least in my life's experience, tend to last longer if you don't have sex. Unless there is a powerful and genuine commitment. The relationships that I've been in that didn't involve sex lasted usually around 7-9 months. When we did finally break up it was not a mean or angry. The relationships my friends have been in that involved sex (I'm a virgin so I really have no experience in this matter) usually last about 2 weeks after they have sex and nasty actions and words are said and done when they break up. Feel free to tg if you have any lingering comments or doubts...


On another note outta of curiosity what position do you play? I use to play tight-end for my school....Until i switched to soccer :D

I'm a right-tackle on offense, and on defense I'm a defensive tackle(no sacks or tackles :(). Which basically means I'm doomed to never get any credit for my actions. It probably didn't help this year that I was behind no fewer than 2 or 3 huge hulking softmores.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?

Because you're a High School freshman. Life always sucks at that age.

If you don't like how she doesn't know you exist, do something to change it. Don't just sit there whining and complaining about the horrors of your life.

It's a tough choice you know. It's either keep her ignorant of my existence, or easily make a total fool out of myself when I try to talk to her, because I know nervousness will get the better of me.

Because you're a High School freshman. Life always sucks at that age.

It's not the suckiness that I'm surprised about. I was expecting that. It's being a total drool monkey for a girl I have no shot with. That's what aggrevates me.

Any ideas on what I should do?
Masturbate furiously in front of her. Chicks dig romantic gestures like that.
(whaddya expect asking people on the interweb for advice?!)

wow.....at least your not a nose guard......they get no credit at all......but hey, you'll get bigger and then ull prolly get some sacks....i mean the coach musta like what he saw, ur a freshman on jv

Masturbate furiously in front of her. Chicks dig romantic gestures like that.
(whaddya expect asking people on the interweb for advice?!)

*Laughs uncontrollably*

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?

God hates you, obviously. ;)

Any ideas on what I should do?

Nothing. It'll pass. That's what I'd do, in any case.

I never quite realized how many socially awkward people are on NS.

Anyway, basically I'm gonna be straight up honest with you, you seem like the kinda guy that would appreciate it. Right now you don't have a shot in hell...Stay back, admire from afar, believe me this infatuation will pass. And to contradict some douche; relationships, at least in my life's experience, tend to last longer if you don't have sex. Unless there is a powerful and genuine commitment. The relationships that I've been in that didn't involve sex lasted usually around 7-9 months. When we did finally break up it was not a mean or angry. The relationships my friends have been in that involved sex (I'm a virgin so I really have no experience in this matter) usually last about 2 weeks after they have sex and nasty actions and words are said and done when they break up. Feel free to tg if you have any lingering comments or doubts...


On another note outta of curiosity what position do you play? I use to play tight-end for my school....Until i switched to soccer :D

I'm a douche for telling him the truth about high school relationships?

God hates you, obviously. ;)

*Snorts* Thanks for the vote of confidence :)

snip*

Whoa, wait, wait. "Fallen for her"? Do you know her personality, or do you just admire the way her flesh sticks to her bones?

If you think you'd be happy with her because of how she looks, know this: only a fraction of relationship time is spent couching, with the other time you have have someone worth talking to.

That said, I guarantee you she will break-up with whom she's currently with eventually.

I'm a douche for telling him the truth about high school relationships?

I'm not quite sure if it was you, but, someone told him that high school relationships involve sex in the first month then added something like "hint for future reference".....
so if thats not you then no....im not

Whoa, wait, wait. "Fallen for her"? Do you know her personality, or do you just admire the way her flesh sticks to her bones?

If you think you'd be happy with her because of how she looks, know this: only a fraction of relationship time is spent couching, with the other time you have have someone worth talking to.

That said, I guarantee you she will break-up with whom she's currently with eventually.

Alright, that was bad wording. On the otherhand, this liking I have for her stubbornly refuses to go away, no matter how often I tell myself I won't ever be able to be with her. It's pretty wierd. But so far as I can tell, I just find her particularly attractive, though she's not necessarily hot, per se, and I'd be at a loss for a reason if you asked me what I find attractive about her. And I've been told by someone who has no reason to tell me anything other than the truth(he's my friend) that she is quite nice).

It's pretty wierd. But so far as I can tell, I just find her particularly attractive, though she's not necessarily hot, per se, and I'd be at a loss for a reason if you asked me what I find attractive about her.

I am going to go out on a limb here and postulate that you are attracted to her because she is female.
Amirite?

On the otherhand, this liking I have for her stubbornly refuses to go away, no matter how often I tell myself I won't ever be able to be with her. It's pretty wierd.

Not really. A friend of mine in high school was absurdly attracted to a girl for something like a year and a half... even though he recognized that his chances were minuscule, and didn't have the courage to make a serious attempt anyway.

I've had a similar problem. The woman was incredible attractive, albeit above my social group, and I never talked to her. I continued to be attracted to her; this has never stopped, but it's never convinced me to make a worthwhile attempt to talk to or befriend her. She remains as only someone I admire from a distance, and sometimes that's all that you need

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

Question 1, Because you're no different from anyone else on Earth. This is part of growing up.

Question 2, broaden your horizons. To pick one girl to pursue to the exclusion of all others is a poor strategy. It doesn't just lead you to pass over other prospects, but it makes your intended prize less likely to be caught. One of the best ways to get a woman's attention is to be seen with another one on your arm. I've had several women over the years suddenly take to me when I took up with another, and many female friends who got all weepy when their platonic friends started dating someone else and she "just realized" that she wanted him for herself.

That said, you're still unlikely to steal a girl away from a senior. On the other hand, if she's your age, then he will be in college next year and she'll still be around. Their relationship is unlikely to survive the summer.

I am going to go out on a limb here and postulate that you are attracted to her because she is female.
Amirite?

That's probably part of it. But then, if that were how it worked, I'd be like this about every moderately attractive girl in the school. And then I'd be in trouble.

Use this pickup line. It'll work every time:

"Hey, slut. Come over here and let's fuck!"

Warning: I am not responsible for any consequences that my result from this, unless said consequence is you getting laid, in which case I take all credit for myself and demand pics.

Question 1, Because you're no different from anyone else on Earth. This is part of growing up.

That dosn't stop thinking about her at times when I should be concentrating on other things more than a little annoying(or at least it would be if, if I didn't enjoy thinking about her so much...*sigh*).

Question 2, broaden your horizons. To pick one girl to pursue to the exclusion of all others is a poor strategy. It doesn't just lead you to pass over other prospects, but it makes your intended prize less likely to be caught. One of the best ways to get a woman's attention is to be seen with another one on your arm. I've had several women over the years suddenly take to me when I took up with another, and many female friends who got all weepy when their platonic friends started dating someone else and she "just realized" that she wanted him for herself.

Believe me, if I had any control over this, I would have stopped pursuing this girl. But its one of those things that, because of emotional reasons, I'm not going to be reasonable about until my emotions decide to just let it go.

That said, you're still unlikely to steal a girl away from a senior. On the other hand, if she's your age, then he will be in college next year and she'll still be around. Their relationship is unlikely to survive the summer.

Nope. SHE's also a senior. On the otherhand, that means I'm pretty much guarenteed to forget about her by next school year.

I'm not quite sure if it was you, but, someone told him that high school relationships involve sex in the first month then added something like "hint for future reference".....
so if thats not you then no....im not

I said that if they've lasted six months, there's probably been sex.

I said that if they've lasted six months, there's probably been sex.

Possibly. Wouldn't know how long they've been together though.

Believe me, if I had any control over this, I would have stopped pursuing this girl. But its one of those things that, because of emotional reasons, I'm not going to be reasonable about until my emotions decide to just let it go.


You have control over this if you want to. Whenever you think about her, poke yourself with a pin or slam your head into a wall. Eventually your mind will subconsciously avoid thoughts about her. There problem solved (except for when you pass her in the hall).

Click Stand;13263766']You have control over this if you want to. Whenever you think about her, poke yourself with a pin or slam your head into a wall. Eventually your mind will subconsciously avoid thoughts about her. There problem solved (except for when you pass her in the hall).

That almost sounds like a good idea, except for the bit where this :headbang: tends to cause this :(. That and for the five times a day where I pass her in the hall. Then that not only looks wierd, it still causes pain.

That almost sounds like a good idea, except for the bit where this :headbang: tends to cause this :(. That and for the five times a day where I pass her in the hall. Then that not only looks wierd, it still causes pain.

I think you're making too big a deal of this. If you're not going to go for it, then why bother? Just occupy yourself with something productive, like homework, or if you're done with that, go help people.

I think you're making too big a deal of this. If you're not going to go for it, then why bother? Just occupy yourself with something productive, like homework, or if you're done with that, go help people.

A) Talking about it makes me feel better.

B) I've got an idea. Thank you photography project!

C) I have been concentrating on homework. And football conditioning. Didn't work. And I help people too. Insofar as I can. Still seem to have time to think about her... :)

A) Talking about it makes me feel better.

B) I've got an idea. Thank you photography project!

C) I have been concentrating on homework. And football conditioning. Didn't work. And I help people too. Insofar as I can. Still seem to have time to think about her... :)

You're clearly not busy enough, but if you take hard classes next year, that'll be solved. I'm always busy, except when I'm giving advice to random people on the internet.

You're clearly not busy enough, but if you take hard classes next year, that'll be solved. I'm always busy, except when I'm giving advice to random people on the internet.

But thinking about her is pleasant/enjoyable! :D
Besides, some of those thoughts or fantasies about her are EXTREMELY enjoyable.

But thinking about her is pleasant/enjoyable! :D
Besides, some of those thoughts or fantasies about her are EXTREMELY enjoyable.

Why whine about it then?

Just wondering, anybody on the football team know about it?

Why whine about it then?

Just wondering, anybody on the football team know about it?

One guy does, because he asked me over and over again who it was I had my eye on. And I eventually told him so he promised not to tell anyone. I didn't tell him her last name anyway, just in case, just her first name and that she was a senior and that it was pretty much hopeless.

Believe me, if I had any control over this, I would have stopped pursuing this girl. But its one of those things that, because of emotional reasons, I'm not going to be reasonable about until my emotions decide to just let it go.

I'm not telling you to stop thinking about her. It's impossible to simply stop thinking of a subject. I'm telling you to start thinking about others. Emotional fidelity to an unavailable woman has its piquance, but that way lies pointless heartache, and ultimately just becomes an excuse not to make yourself available to the possibilities (and emotional risks) of real relationships because fantasy ones like this one become a comfortable habit.

Sooner or later, every possible thing has to happen to someone. Just be glad you weren't the poor fuck who has to wake up one morning to discover that his tongue had turned into a centipede or that his pimple turned into a third eye.

Thank you for that bit of perspective, little ray of sunshine.

You're quite welcome! :)

I am a freshman in high school,...
Any ideas on what I should do?
Okay, people have already given you this advice already in this thread, but it's really good advice that you will need sooner or later, and will help you on your life's journey.















































































Masturbate.

Beat up her boyfriend, grab her into your arms and ride off together into the Sunset on a Motorcycle! *nods*


Nah, if he beats him up he could hunt him down later. Never start something you can't finish....Kill him! Buy a rocket launcher at AmmoNation and blow him to 50 trillion pieces then take his woman!

Nope. Nasty cold though.:)

Well, the Empire hopes that you get well soon

Tried that. Emotions/hormones seem to have other ideas though.

You need to remind yourself some more then. Write it out a hundred times; she is out of my league, she is out of my league........ Your emotions and hormones will eventually come under control if you keep on associating the female with a negative response. Like someone suggested, bang your head on the wall, or get someone to kick you - you will eventually associate the female with pain and your emotions will ensure you stop liking her.

Tried thinking about other things. Didn't work terribly well. And I'm not suffering from "potentially embarrassing issues."

On the last sentence; great. On the first two sentences, what did you try thinking about? I keep on reminding myself of my heavy ambitions in life and that getting involved with females may muck it up. Also, think how much going out with a chick would cost you; think about the going out, the gifts, and so on. You'll realise that it is not only a waste of time, but a leech on your bank account. Of course, that money could be used for other interests (I hope you have other interests). I managed to use this to quite some success when I started eyeing any female in 2005 (I was saving for a trip)

Tried that repeatedly. As I said before though, emotions/hormones have other ideas.Hate to tell you this, but humans aren't completely rational. It would make things so much easier if we were, but we aren't.

We may not be born rational, but we can train ourselves to be rational. As I said, consider all the issues that would result if you even had a chance to go out with this female; it would be a leech on your bank account, you wouldn't have time for the fun things in life, and all for what, for her to dump you in six months. That is what I always remember if I have an issue like this, you are investing your time, your money into something that will generate no return.

See everything else in this response.

I have three final comments. Firstly, how strong have you tried, really tried? Secondly, eat some Kellogg's Cornflakes and consider that it was designed as an anti-aphrodisiac. Finally, just for general knowledge, I am studying to be an accountant and I can be a bit of a Scrooge.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v306/zbronto/?action=view&current=Tequila.flv
Yep...mom sent me that...
Yo momma is awesome.
Masturbate furiously in front of her. Chicks dig romantic gestures like that.
(whaddya expect asking people on the interweb for advice?!)

Use this pickup line. It'll work every time:

"Hey, slut. Come over here and let's fuck!"

Warning: I am not responsible for any consequences that my result from this, unless said consequence is you getting laid, in which case I take all credit for myself and demand pics.

Okay, people have already given you this advice already in this thread, but it's really good advice that you will need sooner or later, and will help you on your life's journey.

Masturbate.

I endorse all of these suggestions, and none of the warnings associated with them. I further suggest that you get a t-shirt that says 'Well it won't suck itself' and wear it around her as often as possible.

heres another couple pickup lines:

"Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?"

"You legs look pretty good. What time do they open?

"The word of the day is "legs". Lets go back to my place and you can spread the word."

"I can see those clothes in a crumpled pile next to my bed......."

And many more

heres another couple pickup lines:

"Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?"

"You legs look pretty good. What time do they open?

"The word of the day is "legs". Lets go back to my place and you can spread the word."

"I can see those clothes in a crumpled pile next to my bed......."

And many more

Pick up lines are only for amateurs. If you want to be a pro then you've got to learn how to handle a club, and how to drag a woman by her hair.

Alright, that was bad wording. On the otherhand, this liking I have for her stubbornly refuses to go away, no matter how often I tell myself I won't ever be able to be with her. It's pretty wierd. But so far as I can tell, I just find her particularly attractive, though she's not necessarily hot, per se, and I'd be at a loss for a reason if you asked me what I find attractive about her.

Those are just pheromones. But supposing she asks you out. You might be talking about art, literature or poetry. She may not know jack about it. Trust me, her looks won't mean anything if she can't converse intelligently. But say that you don't care. Say you want to pick-out a girl-friend like you'd pick-out a prostitute; what will happen? The relationship will never last because there will always be someone more physically appealing then she is, especially when you get bored of her.

If the only thing she has on other, more reachable girls is her looks, then I suggest you forget her. You'll be much happier down the road. You say you can't get her out of her head? Do what people who can't get Keira Knightley out of their head do: move on.

Sooner or later, every possible thing has to happen to someone. Just be glad you weren't the poor fuck who has to wake up one morning to discover that his tongue had turned into a centipede or that his pimple turned into a third eye.

Umm...I am that poor fuck...;)

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

Stop watching old John Hughes movies and get on with life? Senior girls, so far back into history as I have witnessed it from both a student and teacher perspective, don't go for the young'uns. Enjoy your fantasy, rub one out every now and then, and get over it. It happens to every boy, you're not alone, you're not unique, and you'll never know a damned thing if all you do is stare across the room/hallway/field/other student congregational area. So speak up and remove all doubt or torture yourself. I warn you, though, if you choose the latter option, you will get no sympathy, and in fact be encouraged to just shut up about it already.

Okay, people have already given you this advice already in this thread, but it's really good advice that you will need sooner or later, and will help you on your life's journey.

Masturbate.

I'm pretty sure that others have already given me that advice...:)

Nah, if he beats him up he could hunt him down later. Never start something you can't finish....Kill him! Buy a rocket launcher at AmmoNation and blow him to 50 trillion pieces then take his woman!

Great, except for the bit where I get caught in the blast and die too.

heres another couple pickup lines:

"Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?"

"You legs look pretty good. What time do they open?

"The word of the day is "legs". Lets go back to my place and you can spread the word."

"I can see those clothes in a crumpled pile next to my bed......."

And many more

Thanks a lot. Now I'm still hopeless, have a black eye, a broken arm and nose, and a whole bunch of bruises. And a dented heart (for somereason it didn't break)

And yes, I am just kidding. I'm too spineless to actually try any of those. At least in public. In the hall. Where dozens of people can see me get rejected/say something embarassing/give them a reason to say "haha, stupid freshie, hitting on a senior!"

BTW, I don't really get the "nice shoes" bit. Is that something with a double meaning, or is it fake small talk?

Use this pickup line. It'll work every time:

"Hey, slut. Come over here and let's fuck!"

Warning: I am not responsible for any consequences that my result from this, unless said consequence is you getting laid, in which case I take all credit for myself and demand pics.

Are you supposed to bullshit those lines?
'Cause she might be a lot of things, but she's not a slut.

Maybe that's part of the reason I'm attracted to her...
It would certainly explain a lot.

I wouldn't send you pics even if it did work!






...Because I'd keep 'em for myself :D

Those are just pheromones. But supposing she asks you out. You might be talking about art, literature or poetry. She may not know jack about it. Trust me, her looks won't mean anything if she can't converse intelligently. But say that you don't care. Say you want to pick-out a girl-friend like you'd pick-out a prostitute; what will happen? The relationship will never last because there will always be someone more physically appealing then she is, especially when you get bored of her.

If the only thing she has on other, more reachable girls is her looks, then I suggest you forget her. You'll be much happier down the road. You say you can't get her out of her head? Do what people who can't get Keira Knightley out of their head do: move on.

Oh yeah, I think I figured it out, sort of.
Because I have been told by several people that she's nice, I think she's rather pretty, and she's not a slut like every other hot girl in my school.

I endorse all of these suggestions, and none of the warnings associated with them. I further suggest that you get a t-shirt that says 'Well it won't suck itself' and wear it around her as often as possible.

My parents tend to frown upon wearing that sort of thing.
And that would be a bit more blunt than I would like...and would probably get me slapped a few(dozen) times.

But thinking about her is pleasant/enjoyable! :D
Besides, some of those thoughts or fantasies about her are EXTREMELY enjoyable.

Then erase the parts where she says I love you. Or says, anything for that matter. :p

Oh yeah, I think I figured it out, sort of.
Because I have been told by several people that she's nice, I think she's rather pretty, and she's not a slut like every other hot girl in my school.

That ain't enough. Nice ain't enough. I recommend you reconfigure the parameters of your search for a mate. Figure mental compatibility in more, and "hotness" less.

That ain't enough. Nice ain't enough. I recommend you reconfigure the parameters of your search for a mate. Figure mental compatibility in more, and "hotness" less.

I'd say personality beats out brains 8/10 times. Dosn't matter if a girl is brilliant if you don't ever want to be around her because she's an asshole.

Besides, I know she's not stupid or anything. She's at least moderately intelligent.

Then erase the parts where she says I love you. Or says, anything for that matter. :p

I don't get it. :confused:

1) you want to ride that sweet ass, love is meaningless in the matter

2) the Senior won't be able to kick your ass if you steal his girl, everyone can realize that if he did he would look an even more of a loser

3) er..try talking to her, you don't have a chance in hell of course but she will be the gym horse which you will use to leap to the other side! (she has friends who are likely to be lonely at some point)

4) being a JV football player is something to be ashamed of

Bloody true.

Oh, and just talk to her. Has it occurred to you how illogical it is to talk of "falling for" somebody of you've barely spoken to them? Why not try and become, shock horror, friends with her, and see how things go?

Bloody true.

Not my fault it's damn near impossible for freshmen to play varsity. The fact that I'm short for a lineman (how 5'7'' is short in 9th grade is beyond me, but the rest of them are all taller) and had never played organized football before this year didn't help. Everyone's gotta start somewhere.

BTW, that was completely uncalled for.

Oh, and just talk to her. Has it occurred to you how illogical it is to talk of "falling for" somebody of you've barely spoken to them? Why not try and become, shock horror, friends with her, and see how things go?

See the bit where I admitted that "fallen for" was bad word choice? Well if you didn't, I'll admit it again. It was bad word choice. But I didn't want to say just another crush or anything(based entirely on physical attractiveness, anyway), because I have a feeling that if it was, it would have gone away by now.

I havn't talked to her because I don't have any reason that would not strike her or one of her friends as creepy that I could give as an excuse, among other things. What happens when they ask why I'm so interested in being friends with her specifically, what am I supposed to say? "I think you're attractive and I'm trying to be friends with you so that I can get to a point where I can ask you out"? That tends to cause slappage.
It also sure looks like we don't have any of the same interests.
Not sure how it is where you live, but at my school, it looks wierd if a freshman who is complete strangers with an upperclassman and has absolutely no reason to know them coming up to them and trying to talk to them is a tad wierd.
And I don't think I can use the excuse of "I don't have any friends and I'm looking to find friendly faces in a new place" because by this point I've been living in the area my whole life, down to the same town, same house even, and it's probably bad karma to outright lie to someone to get them to talk to you.

stop being a teenager. Until then, be emo?

wow.....at least your not a nose guard......they get no credit at all...

I got called in on noseguard a good amount in the actual games.

stop being a teenager. Until then, be emo?

I'd rather not join the ranks of the wristcutters. ;)

because "lust" makes it sound dirty.

Yup. Pretty much.

I'd rather not join the ranks of the wristcutters. ;)

Let me give something you can actually use. We, on this forum are mainly very cynical 20 somethings that get rather annoyed when some 13 or 14 kid comes on here complaining about some girl or guy they will do nothing with. Not exactly good place to come for advice. You want advice, go to your friends, have no friends, talk to yourself. He'll no what to do.

Dive as in scuba or as in off a diving board?

As in off a diving board.

Photo as in photography?

Yes.
You need a reason to talk to her. It generally creeps people out when you talk to them for no reason.

That's what I thought too.

Just trying to brainstorm ideas for excuses to talk to her.

Hence the photo project thing. It's a brilliant plan. I have to take pictures of people, so I'll ask her if I can take a picture of her, and I could just say that I was asking permission first. If she asks why her, then I'll just say "pictures are better when they have a great subject." ;) And things could go from there, and before I know it, I'm gettin some action! *grins psychotically*

if all else fails I can throw dignity/reputation to the wind and just walk up to her in the hall and kiss her in front of everyone. There's really no good comeback to that one!
And no, I'm not actually considering that. I'm not totally insane.

I don't get it. :confused:

If you cut out the bits with the talking, she seems less real. Therefore, less likely to haunt you. It's a bit far off, and I doubt it'll work.

Let me give something you can actually use. We, on this forum are mainly very cynical 20 somethings that get rather annoyed when some 13 or 14 kid comes on here complaining about some girl or guy they will do nothing with. Not exactly good place to come for advice. You want advice, go to your friends, have no friends, talk to yourself. He'll no what to do.

You people are free to ignore the thread. It'll go away in a day or two and I'd get the picture. Besides, some of these responses have been amusing.

I'd say personality beats out brains 8/10 times.

I consider brainy and logical a personality.

Dosn't matter if a girl is brilliant if you don't ever want to be around her because she's an asshole.

That depends on your definition of "asshole". Mostly you're right, but a girl being nice isn't necessarily all you need.

Besides, I know she's not stupid or anything.

Most people you meet are "not stupid".

She's at least moderately intelligent.

Does she read? Does she know when Napoleon ruled France?

Well, you here's some advice from someone who is just starting to get over an extremely painful unrequited love:

Don't Even Bother

It's not worth the pain and frustration of trying to make something happen. Try to get over and move on, and for the love of all that is unholy don't try being friends with her, because that will only end up hurting even more.

Beat up her boyfriend, grab her into your arms and ride off together into the Sunset on a Motorcycle! *nods*

Best Idea Ever.

Oh yeah, I think I figured it out, sort of.
Because I have been told by several people that she's nice, I think she's rather pretty, and she's not a slut like every other hot girl in my school.

"Told by people"? Look, kid, I've decided to take a liking to you (whether you want me to or not) because I'm 37, and you remind me of me at 14. A painful combination of hormones and scruples. Either one in concentration alone you can live with. Both together tend to cause mass internal confusion. I understand. I also understand the feeling of seeing someone and idealizing her from afar, and imagining what it would be like to be with her -- how well you would treat them, what her lips might feel like (among other things), how she'd not have to worry about having an asshole for a boyfriend, the whole bit. I hate to quote Bill Clinton, but I really do feel your pain.

So my advice, now that I'm at least a bit invested here, is don't rely on what others say about anyone. You want to know what someone is like, you talk to them. The others might be right, but you never really know until you find out for yourself, either through observation or direct contact. You will learn a lot by how she treats you in your attempt to get to know her, or even get her attention. If she's disdainful and rude, you have your answer -- if she's dismissive but polite, you have another answer -- is she's flattered and kind about it but not interested, you might have a friend -- and so on. But fear be damned, son -- faint heart never fair maiden won.

See the bit where I admitted that "fallen for" was bad word choice? Well if you didn't, I'll admit it again. It was bad word choice. But I didn't want to say just another crush or anything (based entirely on physical attractiveness, anyway), because I have a feeling that if it was, it would have gone away by now.

Maybe. Maybe not. Crushes can have staying power. I went to my 20th reunion last summer and met the girl I took to senior prom, now a woman, a dentist, and married without children. Guess what? Every feeling I ever had for her lit right back up, both the sincere and the salacious.

Thing is, reality has a way of helping a crush's intensity fade. Think about it for a tick -- you ask her out, say -- you're taking her somewhere but she has to drive? Hard to be too composed in that situation, but it is possible if you think about it and plan well enough. Money might be an issue -- not that any date has to be a teen-movie spectacle, but if you ask her out, it's far more couth for you to cover the expenses. Going Dutch on a first date might fly in some circles, but it walks most everywhere else. I don't agree, but that's reality.

I havn't talked to her because I don't have any reason that would not strike her or one of her friends as creepy that I could give as an excuse, among other things. What happens when they ask why I'm so interested in being friends with her specifically, what am I supposed to say? "I think you're attractive and I'm trying to be friends with you so that I can get to a point where I can ask you out"? That tends to cause slappage.

Now you're being paranoid. That only tends to cause "slappage" if you make it sound creepy. You may want to ask her out, but how you get to that point is entirely up to you. How you create a friendship is surprisingly simple. You deliberately overhear her talk about things she seems interested in, which might take some creativity given that you likely don't have any classes with her (however, some classes are egalitairan -- discover what her electives are and sign up...band and choir are well-known as places where seemingly incongruous cross-class couples are crafted...and I say that as a choir teacher, so I know whereof I speak).

It also sure looks like we don't have any of the same interests.
Not sure how it is where you live, but at my school, it looks wierd if a freshman who is complete strangers with an upperclassman and has absolutely no reason to know them coming up to them and trying to talk to them is a tad wierd.

So give up, then. Look, like I said, where are her electives? Music? Journalism? Any clubs or organizations? It might take work if she's on the staff of the school paper and you think a pig-pen is something to write with, but ask yourself if the effort is worth it, answer honestly, and proceed accordingly.

And I don't think I can use the excuse of "I don't have any friends and I'm looking to find friendly faces in a new place" because by this point I've been living in the area my whole life, down to the same town, same house even, and it's probably bad karma to outright lie to someone to get them to talk to you.

It certainly is. Good for you for seeing that pitfall and avoiding it. Women don't usually react kindly to perfidy. As I said -- use your relative anonymity to slip through the holes in the social fabric to get a chance to see her doing what she likes to do or talking about what she likes to do. Study up on those things, and compliment her the next time you see her doing it or hear her talkig about it. Don't be obvious or blunt, but become knowledgable and then brave enough to express that knowledge when the right time comes. Know also that there are bad times to act on this information. If she looks hurried, is under extreme emotional stress (i.e. crying, angry, etc.), or is otherwise distracted, your efforts, no matter how sincere, will not be appreciated.

Hence the photo project thing. It's a brilliant plan. I have to take pictures of people, so I'll ask her if I can take a picture of her, and I could just say that I was asking permission first. If she asks why her, then I'll just say "pictures are better when they have a great subject." ;) And things could go from there, and before I know it, I'm gettin some action! *grins psychotically*

I'm going to assume for my own sake that you're joking on that last idea. If "getting some action" is all you want, my only advice to you would be to get your date drunk -- pour a shot over your hand. Sorry, but shagging for its own sake is a sign of gross insensitivity and I can't be party to that. However, you seem an earnest young chap, so I'll continue...that's if any of this has been of even a scintilla of value to you (I hope it has).

The photo project thing is a great idea. Once again, though, you can't make it seem like an obvious ploy. Know something about your subject and your camera and the process, and let her catch you doing it. When you ask to photograph her, be as nonchalant and appear as interested in the photographic process (light, angle, setting, composition, etc.) as you can. You don't want to ignore her, but neither do you want to suddenly drop the photo pretense and show her with effusive attention, either.

Think of it as a kind of less childish version of the old "ignore her"/"hard to get" advice I used to get. Ignoring someone outright is a good way to get left alone. However, the right amount of "professionalism" combined with maybe a compliment about what a good subject she is, or her outfit or hair establishes a conversational rapport. That means it won't seem nearly as hard to talk to her a second time, and it certainly won't seem odd or weird that you tell her that the shots turned out very well and would she like to see them.

if all else fails I can throw dignity/reputation to the wind and just walk up to her in the hall and kiss her in front of everyone. There's really no good comeback to that one! And no, I'm not actually considering that. I'm not totally insane.

Good, 'cause there are, in fact, many comebacks to that one. Most of them involve Robot Chicken-style nut-shots, or some other kind of deserved abuse. Most of all, my hopeful friend, be yourself. It sounds insanely trite, but in the end, it's all any of us have really got to work with. If she digs you, great. If not, that's life, and it tends to go on. I wish you good luck, whatever your route.

Well, you here's some advice from someone who is just starting to get over an extremely painful unrequited love:

Don't Even Bother

It's not worth the pain and frustration of trying to make something happen. Try to get over and move on, and for the love of all that is unholy don't try being friends with her, because that will only end up hurting even more.

Jeez, go back to your tombstone. Some of us learn to patch it up, dust off, and try again. Life is to short to sit on a grave moaning rather than juggle or joke.

Remember, Nietzsche died a lonely madman. Jerry Lewis has his own telethon.

NationStates player = sad love story

It's that simple. Have seen it happen many times, lad...

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morale of the story....go JFK on his ass

No but seriously, no worries bro, this is nothing to get worried about. By the sounds of it, you've got a good head on your shoulders, your an athlete, your a 5'7 freshie...you'll find a girl, and you'll forget all about this girl

It's a tough choice you know. It's either keep her ignorant of my existence, or easily make a total fool out of myself when I try to talk to her, because I know nervousness will get the better of me.

That's not even the beginning of a tough choice. Making a fool of yourself in front of somebody you wouldn't talk to otherwise doesn't really hurt you except for the five minutes until you have gotten away afterwards.

Either do something quickly, or move on. Not "just don't think about her", but as in "do something that occupies your mind, like going for someone reachable". The more you let this get into your mind, the harder it is to get rid of it. I must know ;)

she'd probably just say, "oh look, he's so stupid."

You're going to be hard pressed to find a girl anywhere who wont say this. Even if she tells you she loves you, in the back of her mind, at some point, she'll be thinking, "Oh god, he's so stupid."

Once you've excluded all other options on the basis of romantic hopelessness and possibly broken a multitude of bones doing something incredibly stupid, you'll either a) realize you like the chase and fantasy more than her or b) realize that there's no way to stop thinking of her and that your only other option is to remove yourself from the temptation and transfer to an all boys school.

My final suggestion would be to learn to keep these problems to yourself quickly. You'll be stuck with these approximate levels of hormones until you're an old man, sadly, and this wont be a one time issue.

"Told by people"?

Yup. As opposed to aliens. Sorry. Bad joke there.
Also, what are scruples...?:confused:

So my advice, now that I'm at least a bit invested here, is don't rely on what others say about anyone. You want to know what someone is like, you talk to them. The others might be right, but you never really know until you find out for yourself, either through observation or direct contact. You will learn a lot by how she treats you in your attempt to get to know her, or even get her attention. If she's disdainful and rude, you have your answer -- if she's dismissive but polite, you have another answer -- is she's flattered and kind about it but not interested, you might have a friend -- and so on. But fear be damned, son -- faint heart never fair maiden won.

Worth a shot.

Maybe. Maybe not. Crushes can have staying power. I went to my 20th reunion last summer and met the girl I took to senior prom, now a woman, a dentist, and married without children. Guess what? Every feeling I ever had for her lit right back up, both the sincere and the salacious.

Didn't know that ever happened. Learn something new everyday.

Thing is, reality has a way of helping a crush's intensity fade. Think about it for a tick -- you ask her out, say -- you're taking her somewhere but she has to drive? Hard to be too composed in that situation, but it is possible if you think about it and plan well enough. Money might be an issue -- not that any date has to be a teen-movie spectacle, but if you ask her out, it's far more couth for you to cover the expenses. Going Dutch on a first date might fly in some circles, but it walks most everywhere else. I don't agree, but that's reality.

I've known the expense bit for a while now. On the other hand, the date scenario will never show up for at least several months. At the shortest time. I'm not supposed to go on dates until I'm 15.

I also realized the driving bit. I have thought about it. It usually puts a stop to fantasies for a little bit. So temporary solution.
BTW, pardon me for being ignorant, but what's "Going Dutch" mean?

Now you're being paranoid. That only tends to cause "slappage" if you make it sound creepy. You may want to ask her out, but how you get to that point is entirely up to you. How you create a friendship is surprisingly simple. You deliberately overhear her talk about things she seems interested in, which might take some creativity given that you likely don't have any classes with her (however, some classes are egalitairan -- discover what her electives are and sign up...band and choir are well-known as places where seemingly incongruous cross-class couples are crafted...and I say that as a choir teacher, so I know whereof I speak)

"Slappage" was a deliberate exageration, just so you know that I don't really think that would happen. I really meant more along the lines of "wierding her out."

On the note of the electives thing, that is a very good idea. And I would try it if it weren't for the fact that she's a senior, so she won't be around for next year, and you sign up for both semesters of classes in advance at my school. And it's a pain in the butt to get your classes changed.

As for the chorus bit, I didn't know that, and that's interesting. I wonder why it works like that?

So give up, then. Look, like I said, where are her electives? Music? Journalism? Any clubs or organizations? It might take work if she's on the staff of the school paper and you think a pig-pen is something to write with, but ask yourself if the effort is worth it, answer honestly, and proceed accordingly.

She's with the welcome wagon for the freshmen, and the school dive team. And the local pool's dive team. And she's a lifeguard there in the summer. Think that might be a hint? Dunno.

It certainly is. Good for you for seeing that pitfall and avoiding it. Women don't usually react kindly to perfidy. As I said -- use your relative anonymity to slip through the holes in the social fabric to get a chance to see her doing what she likes to do or talking about what she likes to do. Study up on those things, and compliment her the next time you see her doing it or hear her talkig about it. Don't be obvious or blunt, but become knowledgable and then brave enough to express that knowledge when the right time comes. Know also that there are bad times to act on this information. If she looks hurried, is under extreme emotional stress (i.e. crying, angry, etc.), or is otherwise distracted, your efforts, no matter how sincere, will not be appreciated.



I'm going to assume for my own sake that you're joking on that last idea. If "getting some action" is all you want, my only advice to you would be to get your date drunk -- pour a shot over your hand. Sorry, but shagging for its own sake is a sign of gross insensitivity and I can't be party to that. However, you seem an earnest young chap, so I'll continue...that's if any of this has been of even a scintilla of value to you (I hope it has).

Yes, you are correct on both. Yes, this has been useful, and yes, I was kidding 100% with that last idea.

The photo project thing is a great idea. Once again, though, you can't make it seem like an obvious ploy. Know something about your subject and your camera and the process, and let her catch you doing it. When you ask to photograph her, be as nonchalant and appear as interested in the photographic process (light, angle, setting, composition, etc.) as you can. You don't want to ignore her, but neither do you want to suddenly drop the photo pretense and show her with effusive attention, either.

Yup. I'll have to be careful about that.

Think of it as a kind of less childish version of the old "ignore her"/"hard to get" advice I used to get. Ignoring someone outright is a good way to get left alone. However, the right amount of "professionalism" combined with maybe a compliment about what a good subject she is, or her outfit or hair establishes a conversational rapport. That means it won't seem nearly as hard to talk to her a second time, and it certainly won't seem odd or weird that you tell her that the shots turned out very well and would she like to see them.

Thanks for the help!

Good, 'cause there are, in fact, many comebacks to that one. Most of them involve Robot Chicken-style nut-shots, or some other kind of deserved abuse. Most of all, my hopeful friend, be yourself. It sounds insanely trite, but in the end, it's all any of us have really got to work with. If she digs you, great. If not, that's life, and it tends to go on. I wish you good luck, whatever your route.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was well aware of that. That one would be something deserving of "slappage" plus other physical pain for me.
Thanks.

"If this is the only way I can stay connected with her...then this is who I have to be." - Albert Brennaman



"No, you don't. You can change, you can adapt. You can make it so you don't ever have to feel like this. Ever again." - Hitch

Words of wisdom.

NationStates player = sad love story

It's that simple. Have seen it happen many times, lad...

Thanks a lot for the mental kick to my mental balls. ;) Because kicking my real ones* would be sort of hard over the internet.

*Which, before anyone makes any jokes about this, are totally real and there.

You're going to be hard pressed to find a girl anywhere who wont say this. Even if she tells you she loves you, in the back of her mind, at some point, she'll be thinking, "Oh god, he's so stupid."

It should be noted that I actually did this, though for an entirely different reason. It was more because I felt like rolling down the hill rather than walking down (I was EXTEMELY bored). All that really happened was that it was bumpy, everyone thought it was cool, and that I was dizzy and couldn't walk straight for the next ten minutes.

Once you've excluded all other options on the basis of romantic hopelessness and possibly broken a multitude of bones doing something incredibly stupid, you'll either a) realize you like the chase and fantasy more than her or b) realize that there's no way to stop thinking of her and that your only other option is to remove yourself from the temptation and transfer to an all boys school.

That's no fun though!

My final suggestion would be to learn to keep these problems to yourself quickly. You'll be stuck with these approximate levels of hormones until you're an old man, sadly, and this wont be a one time issue.

Thank you. I was already well aware of that. This has happened before, just not to this same extent. And the only reason I'm sharing here is that none of you know me!:)

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morale of the story....go JFK on his ass

No but seriously, no worries bro, this is nothing to get worried about. By the sounds of it, you've got a good head on your shoulders, your an athlete, your a 5'7 freshie...you'll find a girl, and you'll forget all about this girl

That would be sort of amusing though. Until I got arrested on murder charges. Then its not quite so funny anymore.

Nice illustration though. Its sort of like:
Doing this:headbang: tends to cause this:(

Jeez, go back to your tombstone. Some of us learn to patch it up, dust off, and try again. Life is to short to sit on a grave moaning rather than juggle or joke.

Remember, Nietzsche died a lonely madman. Jerry Lewis has his own telethon.

I will, thank you very much! :p

But seriously, there is no point in trying to go after the girl who is going out with someone else. Unless you are dead sure she's not the type to fawn over the "cool" types, don't even bother.

But maybe my point of view is biased because I am a nerd, and I assumed the guy would also be a nerd as well, given that he's on this forum.

Thanks a lot for the mental kick to my mental balls. ;) Because kicking my real ones* would be sort of hard over the internet.

*Which, before anyone makes any jokes about this, are totally real and there.

Nobody demand proof, please. He's a minor.

I will, thank you very much! :p

But seriously, there is no point in trying to go after the girl who is going out with someone else. Unless you are dead sure she's not the type to fawn over the "cool" types, don't even bother.

But maybe my point of view is biased because I am a nerd, and I assumed the guy would also be a nerd as well, given that he's on this forum.

Yup, although most people can't tell by looking at me. Most people give me a pretty surprised look when they find out that I read history books for fun. :)

That, and there's the football thing.

Nobody demand proof, please. He's a minor.

*Laughs uncontrollably*

I feel an ache in my heart/chest...wait, that's heart burn, nevermind.:D

In other news, cows are pretty dumb animals. No other lifeform would run into an electric fence over and over again. Within a single hour.

Heehee!:D

And yes, that was a total change in conversation for no real reason.

Spamming your own thread FTW!!!!!:D:p:sniper::(:gundge::):headbang::rolleyes::upyours::eek:

1. BTW, pardon me for being ignorant, but what's "Going Dutch" mean?

2. As for the chorus bit, I didn't know that, and that's interesting. I wonder why it works like that?


1. See, there's this thing called "Google", and you can type things into...aw screw it. Going Dutch means you each pay for your own meal. For a first date, it's risky to try and set that up, unless your "poor but desirable" vibe is up and running and she's okay with it, but it's damned hard to tell upon asking someone for a first date. More often that not, Dutch is something you do after a date or three, when it's okay to let her know you're not made of money. In that case, really good date ideas have to make up for a lack of funds. I don't like the notion, and it's far from equality, but it is reality.

2. I theorize that it has something to do with sharing a group experience with art and/or performance. Nothing links people together like being in the same boat (literally or figuratively), and the rigors or rehearsals + the nerves and joy of performances bond many people together like nothing else can. Think of it like a successful football team, only with half the team bieng women, no intentional violence and less people in the audience (unless your choir is better than your football team -- mine was). Anyway, the shared experience of work and performance is, if not an actual aphrodisiac (look at all the hookups backstage at a high school play), then at least an opportunity for common ground.

1. See, there's this thing called "Google", and you can type things into...aw screw it. Going Dutch means you each pay for your own meal. For a first date, it's risky to try and set that up, unless your "poor but desirable" vibe is up and running and she's okay with it, but it's damned hard to tell upon asking someone for a first date. More often that not, Dutch is something you do after a date or three, when it's okay to let her know you're not made of money. In that case, really good date ideas have to make up for a lack of funds. I don't like the notion, and it's far from equality, but it is reality.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Dunno why google never really occurs to me...hmmm...

2. I theorize that it has something to do with sharing a group experience with art and/or performance. Nothing links people together like being in the same boat (literally or figuratively), and the rigors or rehearsals + the nerves and joy of performances bond many people together like nothing else can. Think of it like a successful football team, only with half the team bieng women, no intentional violence and less people in the audience (unless your choir is better than your football team -- mine was). Anyway, the shared experience of work and performance is, if not an actual aphrodisiac (look at all the hookups backstage at a high school play), then at least an opportunity for common ground.

Never thought about that before.

BTW, the photo thing has, up to this point, been foiled by time constraints(two hour delays and the fact that she usually gets out of her classes a substantial amount of time later. Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure how you can deflect attention from the fact that you're hanging around waiting for someone you don't know. Tommarrow is really my last chance to try and use that as an excuse to talk to her. Figures this happens when I finally gather the willpower to talk to her...
Wish me luck!

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Dunno why google never really occurs to me...hmmm...



Never thought about that before.

BTW, the photo thing has, up to this point, been foiled by time constraints(two hour delays and the fact that she usually gets out of her classes a substantial amount of time later. Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure how you can deflect attention from the fact that you're hanging around waiting for someone you don't know. Tommarrow is really my last chance to try and use that as an excuse to talk to her. Figures this happens when I finally gather the willpower to talk to her...
Wish me luck!

Good luck, then. Better luck than I have at the present time.

Good luck, then. Better luck than I have at the present time.

Thanks.

What kind of bad luck are you having...?

Haha. :rolleyes: *while cracking up*
I'm pretty sure it won't pass in a few weeks. It hasn't been a few weeks, but I'm fairly sure that won't help. That's because it has been a few months.
I don't have to worry about hiding getting hard or anything. I have a feeling she isn't looking there or anything on me.

Don't worry, it'll pass. I've not heard of anybody ending up with someone they liked freshman year in high school.

Do you even know her? Or is this based primarily on looks?
High school stuff doesn't usually matter, and even when it does, it's usually stuff from senior year. I started going out with my ladyfriend the second half of my senior year, and it's a rare case for even that to have worked for more than a few months.

Don't worry, it'll pass. I've not heard of anybody ending up with someone they liked freshman year in high school.

Do you even know her? Or is this based primarily on looks?
High school stuff doesn't usually matter, and even when it does, it's usually stuff from senior year. I started going out with my ladyfriend the second half of my senior year, and it's a rare case for even that to have worked for more than a few months.

Nope. Don't know her. Pretty much based on looks. Although one big thing really dosn't make sense to me:
I've seen her before this year as a lifeguard at the local pool, but
I didn't actually found her attractive until August this year (which is wierd. You'd think that if anything would make me think a girl was hot, seeing her in a swimsuit would do it), when I saw her at orientation(she was helping with what amounts to the school welcome wagon for freshies). And then attraction(please don't give me any shit about word choice; I'm trying to avoid saying love, or anything that may suggest that) beat me over the head until I had one killer of a migrane. Figuratively, of course.

I think that's pretty darn bizarre. If anyone has any possible explanation as to why this was, please post it. Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.

Actually, the migrane and getting hit on the head might be true, but it may have just been by the wall. Oh well. :D

And no, I don't honestly think I've got a shot at her. You don't need to give me the reality check. Plenty of my other friends (okay, the three that have managed to bother it out of me)(with one exception) have given me reality checks, and I've had plenty self-administered reality checks. I don't really think another is necessary.

Hey, I can dream though, can't I?;)Thinks about her and gets absorbed in graphic fantasy where she and I...well, you know...

So basically you just find her really hot physically?

So basically you just find her really hot physically?

Clearly you can see his moral dilemma.
His lack of morals.
Fie on you Fanboy, fie on you.

So basically you just find her really hot physically?

Not necessarily hot. At least not by my definition. (I define "hot" by everything below the neck. "Pretty" is defined by above the neck. And don't act surprised that I look below the neck. I'm a teenage boy. What would you expect?). I'd probably say moderately hot and quite pretty.

Clearly you can see his moral dilemma.
His lack of morals.
Fie on you Fanboy, fie on you.

???
I don't get it.:confused:
What moral dilemma/lack of morals? I don't get!!!!!!!!!!!
And wtf does "fie" mean?!

???
I don't get it.:confused:

Fie!

Not necessarily hot. At least not by my definition. (I define "hot" by everything below the neck. "Pretty" is defined by above the neck. And don't act surprised that I look below the neck. I'm an adolescent boy. What would you expect?). I'd probably say moderately hot and quite pretty.

To me a woman can't be hot if she has an ugly face. Physical sexual attractiveness, to me, does not exclude the portion of a woman that houses her brain.

But anyway, a relationship can't be founded on physical attraction alone. Either get up the nerve to talk to her or move on.

To me a woman can't be hot if she has an ugly face. Physical sexual attractiveness, to me, does not exclude the portion of a woman that houses her brain.

But anyway, a relationship can't be founded on physical attraction alone. Either get up the nerve to talk to her or move on.

I'm pretty sure I've addressed posts like these here a dozen times, so I'm not going to bother re-typing my past responses. Suffice to say, I get it, I understood that from the time when I figured out the fact that she's a senior and is already going out with someone!!!!! And I'm pretty darn sure I outlined what I am attempting to do about the "talking to her situation."

I mean the hotness/face thing as, many people wouldn't consider her really, really hot or anything, but she's got a pretty face.
And I thoroughly enjoy imagining kissing said face. *Smiles*

Nope. Don't know her. Pretty much based on looks. Although one big thing really dosn't make sense to me:
I've seen her before this year as a lifeguard at the local pool, but
I didn't actually found her attractive until August this year (which is wierd. You'd think that if anything would make me think a girl was hot, seeing her in a swimsuit would do it), when I saw her at orientation(she was helping with what amounts to the school welcome wagon for freshies). And then attraction(please don't give me any shit about word choice; I'm trying to avoid saying love, or anything that may suggest that) beat me over the head until I had one killer of a migrane. Figuratively, of course.

I think that's pretty darn bizarre. If anyone has any possible explanation as to why this was, please post it. Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.


It's called hormones, kid. You'll find yourself turning on and off of various different sexual attractions for the rest of your life. The difference is, as you age, your experience and time mellow the hormonal reactions and your sensitivity to them...never to the point where you can ignore them completely, but more to the point where they don't distract you into accidents.

My last bit of advice to you is to not get dramatic or exaggerative about your swaying hormones -- words have power, especially to young women. Bandying "love" around before you know what it truly is can be dangerous to your reputation and to any young woman's sense of trust. In short, when you can stay with someone for six months and still not want to look at someone else (and I don't mean "keep yourself from looking", I mean your head never swivels except unconsciously), and you don't want to flirt or chat up anyone else, you MIGHT be drifting toward love. Throw in missing her when she's not around and not just because there's nobody to snog, and you get closer. Love is about a meeting and congruence of personalities as much as it is physical.

Best wishes.

I mean the hotness/face thing as, many people wouldn't consider her really, really hot or anything, but she's got a pretty face.

If that's all it is, then just have her sit for a painting.

And I thoroughly enjoy imagining kissing said face. *Smiles*

Okay, sculpture.

???
I don't get it.:confused:
What moral dilemma/lack of morals? I don't get!!!!!!!!!!!
And wtf does "fie" mean?!

according to the OED "fie" is from the latin for an imitation of the sound instinctively made when smelling a disagreeable smell.

its an interjection of disgust or disagreement.

according to the OED "fie" is from the latin for an imitation of the sound instinctively made when smelling a disagreeable smell.

its an interjection of disgust or disagreement.

Well, now it's beginning to make sense how the International Fencing Federation (Fédération Internationale d'Escrime) got it's name.

If that's all it is, then just have her sit for a painting.



Okay, sculpture.

:rolleyes:

Well, now it's beginning to make sense how the International Fencing Federation (Fédération Internationale d'Escrime) got it's name.

*Uncontrollable laughing*

according to the OED "fie" is from the latin for an imitation of the sound instinctively made when smelling a disagreeable smell.

its an interjection of disgust or disagreement.

And what about the moral dilemma/no morals thing?:confused:

:rolleyes:

Photograph.

Wax sculpture.

*Uncontrollable laughing*

Do you fence? There's a good deal of skulduggery in it. If you'd like I can give you plenty of ways to cheat.

Bill Gelnaw is fencer who competes all the time. He won many a medals in the Olympics, everyone speaks of him with admiration (including my fencing coach) and...he's a renown cheater.

His favorite cheat: he scratches the floor with the tip of his épée blade; then it's coated with plastic. If he hits your bellguard his tip goes-off as if he hit you.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

I dunno what to say, but I do know that you'll never get laid if you moan about it in an internet forum. Go get some sunshine. I'm off to Barcelona.

It's called hormones, kid. You'll find yourself turning on and off of various different sexual attractions for the rest of your life. The difference is, as you age, your experience and time mellow the hormonal reactions and your sensitivity to them...never to the point where you can ignore them completely, but more to the point where they don't distract you into accidents.

My last bit of advice to you is to not get dramatic or exaggerative about your swaying hormones -- words have power, especially to young women. Bandying "love" around before you know what it truly is can be dangerous to your reputation and to any young woman's sense of trust. In short, when you can stay with someone for six months and still not want to look at someone else (and I don't mean "keep yourself from looking", I mean your head never swivels except unconsciously), and you don't want to flirt or chat up anyone else, you MIGHT be drifting toward love. Throw in missing her when she's not around and not just because there's nobody to snog, and you get closer. Love is about a meeting and congruence of personalities as much as it is physical.

Best wishes.

I do believe that I rephrased myself several times to avoid using "love," as I am well aware that this ain't it.

Hormones haven't caused accidents for me yet, at least not in that area. The wall had nothing to do with that. I wasn't paying attention to where I was going for an entirely different reason.

On the other hand there was an incident involving a door a month or two ago...and yes, it was caused by teenage boy-ness, in the sense that has been mentioned on this thread repeatedly, not in the sense of "people do stupid things"(throwing a battery in a campfire, anyone?).(it's one of those things you look back on and laugh, even if it was mortifying at the time. If you want the full story just say.)

I dunno what to say, but I do know that you'll never get laid if you moan about it in an internet forum. Go get some sunshine. I'm off to Barcelona.

I do get out. Well, I would if it weren't frigid outside with no snow. I've got a cold already. That, and Y'know that football season is over.
Eww...Barcelona. Madrid is so much better!;D

I do believe that I rephrased myself several times to avoid using "love," as I am well aware that this ain't it.

Then it's not really a good investment of time if you ask me.

Anyway, you didn't ask me, so I'll shut-up about it. You want to seduce this girl, eh?

Try this: "My eye went to you like the nectar moth flits to jacynth." -The Dying Earth, first of the series.

Do you fence? There's a good deal of skulduggery in it. If you'd like I can give you plenty of ways to cheat.

Nope. Blasting holes in targets with a .22 rifle is more my thing. Or archery for that matter. Or even fishing (caught a shark and a stingray this summer. Let 'em go though). Can't say I've ever fenced before, much as I'd like to.

Bill Gelnaw is fencer who competes all the time. He won many a medals in the Olympics, everyone speaks of him with admiration (including my fencing coach). and...he's a renown cheater.

His favorite cheat: he scratches the floor with the tip of his épée blade; then it's coated with plastic. If he hits your bellguard his tip goes-off as if he hit you.

Unfortunately, that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, as I really don't know what a bellguard is.

Photograph.

Wax sculpture.

Almost did the photograph. I'm in photography, after all.
Time constraints/inopportune timing screwed that plan over, though(it would have given me a chance to talk to her, too) :(

As for wax sculpture, I repeat:
:rolleyes:

Nope. Blasting holes in targets with a .22 rifle is more my thing. Or archery for that matter. Or even fishing (caught a shark and a stingray this summer. Let 'em go though). Can't say I've ever fenced before, much as I'd like to.

Shooting is fun.

Unfortunately, that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, as I really don't know what a bellguard is.

It's the part of the sword that protects your hand.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/fencing-bellguard.jpg

http://www.crossroadsfencing.com/bellguard-grips.jpg

http://www.bellguard.com/Images/bellguard.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Fencingsabre.jpg

Then it's not really a good investment of time if you ask me.

Anyway, you didn't ask me, so I'll shut-up about it. You want to seduce this girl, eh?

Try this: "My eye went to you like the nectar moth flits to jacynth." -The Dying Earth, first of the series.

Didn't you say that earlier?

Didn't you say that earlier?

Once.

I am a freshman in high school, and things have been going well (fairly, anyway). I'm a JV football player, but still socially awkward/inexperienced/shy. There has, however, been a bit of a bit of a...hiccup.

I have found that I have completely fallen for a girl who happens to not only be way out of my league, she's also already going out with someone and happens to be a senior. And then I see her in the hall at least five times a day. So far as I know, she's only vaguely aware that I exist. It's almost like fate is taunting me.

This wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that I think about her a lot at inopportune times, and it has gotten distracting and would be aggravating if it weren't so much fun to do.

Why do things like this always have to happen to me?
Any ideas on what I should do?

Read your own sig.

Shooting is fun.



It's the part of the sword that protects your hand.

Yes it is. Very much fun. Having my own target rifle definitely helps.

That clears things up substantially.

Man, I haven't see a highschool drama advice thread for a long time. And they're so much fun! yay!

Once.

Just clearin' that up.

Read your own sig.

Somehow I don't think pillaging and burning really applies here, and I think Julius Caesar's solution would be to start a war. Or kidnap her and forcefully rape her. Or something along those lines, neither of which strike me as a terribly good idea.

And, like I said, the pillage and burn thing doesn't really apply unless you're suggesting laying waste to the whole town. Which on the whole, doesn't sound like a bad idea. *grins evilly*

Man, I haven't see a highschool drama advice thread for a long time. And they're so much fun! yay!

What drama?
This is just me being a hopeless loser.
JK, btw. I don't actually have that low an opinion of myself. Before you place me on suicide watch or something. :)

Somehow I don't think pillaging and burning really applies here, and I think Julius Caesar's solution would be to start a war. Or kidnap her and forcefully rape her. Or something along those lines, neither of which strike me as a terribly good idea.

And, like I said, the pillage and burn thing doesn't really apply unless you're suggesting laying waste to the whole town. Which on the whole, doesn't sound like a bad idea. *grins evilly*

A Guide to Dating, by Genghis Khan.

A Guide to Dating, by Genghis Khan.

LOL!

I shudder to think of what kind of advice someone would end up getting from that? *shudders*

Somehow I don't think pillaging and burning really applies here, and I think Julius Caesar's solution would be to start a war. Or kidnap her and forcefully rape her. Or something along those lines, neither of which strike me as a terribly good idea.

And, like I said, the pillage and burn thing doesn't really apply unless you're suggesting laying waste to the whole town. Which on the whole, doesn't sound like a bad idea. *grins evilly*

... needs visual aids mmm?

Women,... tends to lookout for the alpha male,... which in turns out to be the most domineering of them all,... WHICH of course they often mistaken with the average jerks and assholes,... go figure.

Anyways,... pound those chest, mark your territory and all that machismo stuff,... (yes that is a metaphor).

... just do your thing better than usual, don't forget to take credit where it's due, and remember to flaunt your merits in a subtle yet precise way... do I need to explain more ? Very well, make sure you exist in her world, think of it as your beach head.

LOL!

I shudder to think of what kind of advice someone would end up getting from that? *shudders*

No very good advice. 200,000 women jumped from the walls when Peking surrendered to escape his...well, you know.

... needs visual aids mmm?

...maybe...;)

Women,... tends to lookout for the alpha male,... which in turns out to be the most domineering of them all,... WHICH of course they often mistaken with the average jerks and assholes,... go figure.

Anyways,... pound those chest, mark your territory and all that machismo stuff,... (yes that is a metaphor).

Sorry in advance for the potty humor but...
I'm sort of glad that you meant "mark your territory" metaphorically. Doing that literally would be a tad embarrassing...

... just do your thing better than usual, don't forget to take credit where it's due, and remember to flaunt your merits in a subtle yet precise way... do I need to explain more ? Very well, make sure you exist in her world, think of it as your beach head.

I'm trying to do that. Damned timing/time constraints/etiquette keep screwing me over. I've gotta wait till Monday now to try again. *curses that damned secret society of gnomes, always ruining everything*

Thanks.

What kind of bad luck are you having...?

Oy vey. Well, I know this girl, Sally, she's a freshman, like me, but she's in a different circle, no classes or lunches together, but I still like her. She's hot, and definitely a nice personality, and she's someone I'd enjoy talking to. She knew me and I knew her last year, she was a friend definitely, and I think she flirted with me once or twice (she does that to everybody...or did), I danced with her at a few school dances (this is the part where people say "Ask her out!"), and I tried to ask her out, but she was on vacation. So, I waited all summer to ask her out, and now I have no classes. And when I do get a chance to see her, I talk with her for 5 seconds, some upperclassmen come along, and BOOM! I'm the fifth wheel. I try to talk to her later, and one of the assholes gets me out of the table. Seriously. So now, I'm just pissed because I'm trying to put my attraction for her on ice, it's not working, and I can't ask her out. Oy vey.

Sorry you asked yet?

I'm trying to do that. Damned timing/time constraints/etiquette keep screwing me over. I've gotta wait till Monday now to try again. *curses that damned secret society of gnomes, always ruining everything*

Bribe the gnomes, they like shiny stuff, (by that I mean her friends).

Oy vey. Well, I know this girl, Sally, she's a freshman, like me, but she's in a different circle, no classes or lunches together, but I still like her. She's hot, and definitely a nice personality, and she's someone I'd enjoy talking to. She knew me and I knew her last year, she was a friend definitely, and I think she flirted with me once or twice (she does that to everybody...or did), I danced with her at a few school dances (this is the part where people say "Ask her out!"), and I tried to ask her out, but she was on vacation. So, I waited all summer to ask her out, and now I have no classes. And when I do get a chance to see her, I talk with her for 5 seconds, some upperclassmen come along, and BOOM! I'm the fifth wheel. I try to talk to her later, and one of the assholes gets me out of the table. Seriously. So now, I'm just pissed because I'm trying to put my attraction for her on ice, it's not working, and I can't ask her out. Oy vey.

Sorry you asked yet?

All I can say:
1) I feel your pain.
2) Ouch. That bites.

I've been mustering my courage/resistance to fear of embarrasment for the last two days(I kept trying yesterday and today), and time screwed my plan over. I even came up with an alternative to the photo topic (I had to stop that at noon today, because I needed to develop the film for the assignment), (wishing her luck at the dive meet this weekend), and I missed my shot (because I didn't walk slow enough, of all the dumb reasons).

So now I'm going to use asking her how the meet went as an excuse to talk to her.

Bribe the gnomes, they like shiny stuff, (by that I mean her friends).

"the gnomes" refers to what I blame whenever shit happens. I blamed the "secret society of gnomes" or "the negative fairies" when my photo negatives kept getting screwed up in various accidents. That did not refer to her friends in the slightest. Besides, I don't have that much money(Can't legally get a job yet. The lawn mowing in my neighborhood is taken, and I never actually get paid my allowance, though really no rent and free food is enough allowance).

"the gnomes" refers to what I blame whenever shit happens. I blamed the "secret society of gnomes" or "the negative fairies" when my photo negatives kept getting screwed up in various accidents. That did not refer to her friends in the slightest. Besides, I don't have that much money(Can't legally get a job yet. The lawn mowing in my neighborhood is taken, and I never actually get paid my allowance, though really no rent and free food is enough allowance).

Nah, just small favors here and there,... just keep it to small favors, thus keeping you away from the dreaded "friend zone".

Nah, just small favors here and there,... just keep it to small favors, thus keeping you away from the dreaded "friend zone".

If it's the only realistic shot I've got, I'll take being her friend over her not even really realizing I exist or not knowing me.

I'm surprised. No one wants to hear about me making an ass of myself because I was (figuratively)drooling over this girl. I found it sort of funny, actually, and I'm the one who was embarrassed by it.

Typical freshman, you are.

I'm surprised. No one wants to hear about me making an ass of myself because I was (figuratively)drooling over this girl. I found it sort of funny, actually, and I'm the one who was embarrassed by it.

Here it is if anyone wants to hear about it:

I was walking through the hall one day after science class, and I saw Ellen (the subject of my affection) walking along next to me to her next class. Naturally, being a drool monkey for her, I turned to look at her, and kept looking to the point where I stopped paying attention to where I was going. The door in the doorway that I was about to go through was closing quickly, and I didn't notice. So needless to say, while I was looking at her, I ran into the door. Mortifying, especially if anyone I knew happened to see why I wasn't paying attention.

All I can say:
1) I feel your pain.
2) Ouch. That bites.

I've been mustering my courage/resistance to fear of embarrasment for the last two days(I kept trying yesterday and today), and time screwed my plan over. I even came up with an alternative to the photo topic (I had to stop that at noon today, because I needed to develop the film for the assignment), (wishing her luck at the dive meet this weekend), and I missed my shot (because I didn't walk slow enough, of all the dumb reasons).

So now I'm going to use asking her how the meet went as an excuse to talk to her.

Best of luck, then.

Typical freshman, you are.

So I've heard. Not that I mind much. Means no one really gives a shit if I do something stupid. They'll just say "oh, it's just another freshie being stupid."

Here it is if anyone wants to hear about it:

I was walking through the hall one day after science class, and I saw Ellen (the subject of my affection) walking along next to me to her next class. Naturally, being a drool monkey for her, I turned to look at her, and kept looking to the point where I stopped paying attention to where I was going. The door in the doorway that I was about to go through was closing quickly, and I didn't notice. So needless to say, while I was looking at her, I ran into the door. Mortifying, especially if anyone I knew happened to see why I wasn't paying attention.

Well, I'm surprised. I'd have thought that everyone was going to laugh at me or something.

Well, I'm surprised. I'd have thought that everyone was going to laugh at me or something.

Hahahaa!
You fool.
:p

Hahahaa!
You fool.
:p

Yeah. Like that.:)

Yeah. Like that.:)

Cheerful ray of sunshine, aren't you? :p

dude lame thread teol

Cheerful ray of sunshine, aren't you? :p

To reference Monty Python indirectly:
It's pretty much the opposite of the Spanish Inquisition. I was totally expecting it.
And I'm a little hard to get down. That's probably why I keep ignoring all sorts of things getting in my way.:)
Like the closed door. Or the wall.

dude lame thread teol

If you think its so lame, why'd you read it and respond to it?

:eek: I just realized something bad.

Even in the event that I do manage to win over aforementioned girl, when she turns 18 it's illegal for her to be in a relationship with someone under 18. DAMMIT!
Oh well. Forbidden romance is twice as sweet. lol

:eek: I just realized something bad.

Even in the event that I do manage to win over aforementioned girl, when she turns 18 it's illegal for her to be in a relationship with someone under 18. DAMMIT!
Oh well. Forbidden romance is twice as sweet. lol

First you get kicked in the ass, and then you get kicked in the balls...talk about bad luck.

Bah defeatist, you'll never grow enough balls to be even noticed by her if you kept this sort of outlook.

Then again you seem to enjoy wallowing in despair, so,... as you were.

Bah defeatist, you'll never grow enough balls to be even noticed by her if you kept this sort of outlook.

Then again you seem to enjoy wallowing in despair, so,... as you were.

I think I'll follow my sigs advice now. Can't bring someone to court if there isn't a courthouse...*makes sparks on lighter* hehe.:D

And there's always the simplest option:

Don't get caught.;)

First you get kicked in the ass, and then you get kicked in the balls...talk about bad luck.

:confused:
When did I get kicked in the ass?
I'm assuming this latest development is the "kick in the balls."

To reference Monty Python indirectly:
It's pretty much the opposite of the Spanish Inquisition. I was totally expecting it.
And I'm a little hard to get down. That's probably why I keep ignoring all sorts of things getting in my way.:)
Like the closed door. Or the wall.

Hmph. True. Tell me how things pan out.

:eek: I just realized something bad.

Even in the event that I do manage to win over aforementioned girl, when she turns 18 it's illegal for her to be in a relationship with someone under 18.

Hog shottis. It's perfectly legal.

Hog shottis. It's perfectly legal.

I think he's assuming a relationship of the intimate sort. Of course, in most states it would still be legal, but perhaps he lives in Florida or some equally silly state with 18 as the age of consent.

stop being a teenager. Until then, be emo?

I'm technically a teenager, and would probably be labelled "emo" above anything else, and am in a really quite phenomenal relationship.

Hog shottis. It's perfectly legal.

I'm pretty sure its not. I think then the over-18 person can be charged with statutory rape or something like that. At least where I live.

I think he's assuming a relationship of the intimate sort. Of course, in most states it would still be legal, but perhaps he lives in Florida or some equally silly state with 18 as the age of consent.

I'm pretty siure that's most of the states. I'm pretty sure my state's like that. And I think it goes in the same category as Teacher-student relationships (which, if you ask me, are a tad creepy).

I'm technically a teenager, and would probably be labelled "emo" above anything else, and am in a really quite phenomenal relationship.

I never said that it wasn't possible for emo people to be in good relationships. I know people who are considered "emo" and have perfectly functional and healthy relationships.

I'm pretty siure that's most of the states. I'm pretty sure my state's like that. Is Maryland like that?

No, most states are 16. Honestly, I don't know where people get the idea that it's 18.

As for Maryland, no, it's 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Maryland

Note: This is legal advise being given by a random Internet person, with all that that implies

Let it go.. Only 5% of high school relationships work out into marriages anyway. and the 5% that do marry get divorced 90% of the time. :) Good Luck.

I am a JR. in HIGH School, and you gotta be open to the women. Not go on a NS Jolt forum and ask for advice. That would be mad funny if that girl you like sees this. She probably would never talk to you. ever.

I'm pretty sure its not. I think then the over-18 person can be charged with statutory rape or something like that. At least where I live.

Only if you can't keep the relationship sex-free for a few years. Geesh, don't you have any discipline? I can go the whole day without eating if I need to and I don't complain.

Oh right, I forgot. It's only about her looks. :(

No, most states are 16. Honestly, I don't know where people get the idea that it's 18.

As for Maryland, no, it's 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Maryland

Note: This is legal advise being given by a random Internet person, with all that that implies

Well that's useful to know. Glad that I won't get her arrested on the off chance that I actually get togeter with her.

I'm pretty siure that's most of the states. I'm pretty sure my state's like that. And I think it goes in the same category as Teacher-student relationships (which, if you ask me, are a tad creepy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

try that, might help

Only if you can't keep the relationship sex-free for a few years. Geesh, don't you have any discipline? I can go the whole day without eating if I need to and I don't complain.

Oh right, I forgot. It's only about her looks. :(

If he's 15, what in God's name would motivate him to have a sex free relationship? Sorry, but that simply doesn't happen here.

Only if you can't keep the relationship sex-free for a few years. Geesh, don't you have any discipline? I can go the whole day without eating if I need to and I don't complain.

Oh right, I forgot. It's only about her looks. :(

You'd be surprised how uptight some people can be. In some cases, people aren't supposed to even really be in non-familial relationships, even w/out sex. Or someone might make the accusation that there's still child molestatoin going on, or something like that. Never know when someone's going to make a mistake like that or decides to be an ass. Better to play it safe with something like that.

If he's 15, what in God's name would motivate him to have a sex free relationship? Sorry, but that simply doesn't happen here.

If the law's involved.

But anyway, I'm like that. I'm really into will power. I try to eat no-more then one meal a day (today it was just donuts).

And I'm 18 and I'm still a virgin, though the national average of losing virginity is 16.

You'd be surprised how uptight some people can be. In some cases, people aren't supposed to even really be in non-familial relationships, even w/out sex. Or someone might make the accusation that there's still child molestatoin going on, or something like that. Never know when someone's going to make a mistake like that or decides to be an ass. Better to play it safe with something like that.

Meh. I really don't think they could bring a case against you.

Let it go.. Only 5% of high school relationships work out into marriages anyway. and the 5% that do marry get divorced 90% of the time. :) Good Luck.

I am a JR. in HIGH School, and you gotta be open to the women. Not go on a NS Jolt forum and ask for advice. That would be mad funny if that girl you like sees this. She probably would never talk to you. ever.

Worth a shot anyway. Better to get the rejection out of the way and not have it bothering me for the rest of the year. Besides, you never know, I might end up becoming friends with her or something as a result instead. Then I'd have made a friend, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Well that would be one of the upsides of this being more-or-less anonymous, wouldn't it? Somehow, she doesn't exactly strike me as the kind of person who would go on NSG.

Besides, it's not like my friends who go to school with me are giving me any helpful advice. One of them just said forget about her, which I tried, and the other one is all "go for it" when she's already with someone. It's like he's trying to get me embarassed or beaten up or something. Besides... some of the responses have been rather amusing...I.E. "punch out her boyfriend, sweep her into your arms and ride off into the sunset on a motorcycle." That kept me laughing for a few minutes.

If the law's involved.

But anyway, I'm like that. I'm really into will power. I try to eat no-more then one meal a day (today it was just donuts).

And I'm 18 and I'm still a virgin, though the national average of losing virginity is 16.

I eat three square meals a day, thank you very much. Yeash, getting told I have no self discipline because I don't have anorexia...;)

Yeah, and I'm 14 and I'm still a virgin. Means I've got 2 years to become average.;) (yes, I'm just kidding)

Also, are you sure that you being a virgin isn't from a lack of anyone actually wanting to do it with you? Just maybe...? :)

If the law's involved.

But anyway, I'm like that. I'm really into will power. I try to eat no-more then one meal a day (today it was just donuts).

And I'm 18 and I'm still a virgin, though the national average of losing virginity is 16.

Don't I just wish I could ape your ascetism....

If he's 15, what in God's name would motivate him to have a sex free relationship? Sorry, but that simply doesn't happen here.

14. Not 15. Besides, I have no idea if I even would have trouble avoiding sex in a relationship like that, on account of having no personal experience! (and none of my friends do either, hence, I can't get any constructive advice from them, with the exception of the junior who keeps telling me to go for it, and I have a hard time believing that he really has an accurate picture of my point of view, as I'm fairly sure things like this (as far as the person he crushed on being this far out of reach))

Meh. I really don't think they could bring a case against you.

True.

I eat three square meals a day, thank you very much. Yeash, getting told I have no self discipline because I don't have anorexia...;)
*sniff* I'm not into losing weight, I just love to discipline myself.

Yeah, and I'm 14 and I'm still a virgin. Means I've got 2 years to become average.;) (yes, I'm just kidding)

Nyuck, nyuck.
Also, are you sure that you being a virgin isn't from a lack of anyone actually wanting to do it with you? Just maybe...? :)

:p Maybe. More likely I don't want to do it with them.

*sniff* I'm not into losing weight, I just love to discipline myself.

*Raised eyebrow* Somehow that doesn't seem like something I'd test my self-discipline with.

:p Maybe. More likely I don't want to do it with them.

Mmmhmm. That's what they all say.;)

*Raised eyebrow* Somehow that doesn't seem like something I'd test my self-discipline with.

Can you think of a better way?

Mmmhmm. That's what they all say.;)

You cad! Who could resist my handsome mustache or natty bicorne?

I have my own problems, I like a satanist. nuff said.

I have my own problems, I like a satanist. nuff said.

I should have expected a satanphiliac like you to dig this thread out of the grave.
Sicko.

Nope, he is a NECROMANCER!!

dont try to make something of it. just keep it to yourself and maybe someday you can meet her as an adult (10-20 years from now) and confessing that you were completely in love with her will help you get laid then.

More sage advice from Ashmoria. This actually happened to me. I met a gal at a party maybe 8 years out of high school that I had a infatuation with while in school. She was even hotter when I met her again. We got to talking and a few drinks later I told her that I had a secret crush on her in High School. That is all I needed to say. Ended up seeing her for a couple of weeks and then we went on our way. So lesson is here that you never know and Ashmoria knows what she is talking about here.