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US Pulls UN Resolution Disliked by Israel

Fri Nov 30, UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States withdrew on Friday a draft U.N. resolution endorsing action agreed at this week's Annapolis Middle East peace conference, a document Israeli officials said they felt was inappropriate.

Israeli diplomats at the United Nations said they did not object to the Security Council backing the outcome of Tuesday's meeting but did not consider a resolution the right way to do so. They also hinted Israel had not been consulted in advance on the draft the United States put to the council on Thursday.

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OccNEWS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_un_dc

WTF was the US gov thinking..

... dont they know the US Gov has to consult Israel before even thinking about proposing a resolution at the UN.. on Palestine issues.

:D :D :p :D

The resolution dealt with matters pertaining to Israel, so maybe the Israelis ought to have a say.

WTF was the US gov thinking..

... dont they know the US Gov has to consult Israel before even thinking about proposing a resolution at the UN.. on Palestine issues.

:D :D :p :D

Requisite in diplomacy is discussion with the relevant participants, and Israel is one of the relevant participants on this matter.

And puppet meets master...

Requisite in diplomacy is discussion with the relevant participants, and Israel is one of the relevant participants on this matter.I see.. when we are about to propose a UN resolution about Palestine, we need to ask Palestine permission..

and If we are to propose a resolution about Brazil, we must ask Brazil permission.

thats so smart. ;)

Lets make it a rule.. from now on.. everyone has to ask permission to every other concerned country before proposing a resolution.. from now on all UN resolutions are going to be back-and-forth congratulations to the great work all Governments are doing..

You want to condemn Fiji?... No can do.
You want to condemn Ethiopia Invasion of Somalia? not very nice of you.
You want to ask Iran to stop alternative energy sources research? hahaha.. the joke is on you. ;)

The resolution dealt with matters pertaining to Israel, so maybe the Israelis ought to have a say.


...but not the Palestinians, because that would just be lunacy, wouldn't it...

I see.. when we are about to propose a UN resolution about Palestine, we need to ask Palestine permission..

and If we are to propose a resolution about Brazil, we must ask Brazil permission.

thats so smart. ;)

Lets make it a rule.. from now on.. everyone has to ask permission to every other concerned country before proposing a resolution.. from now on all UN resolutions are going to be back-and-forth congratulations to the great work all Governments are doing..

You want to condemn Fiji?... No can do.
You want to condemn Ethiopia Invasion of Somalia? not very nice of you.
You want to ask Iran to stop alternative energy sources research? hahaha.. the joke is on you. ;)

It's important to discuss the matter with other countries, not to ask their permission. In the case of Israel, a country that is a special ally of the United States, their opinion is highly valued and highly relevant, and because of their tenuous situation it is important that we be able to arrive at an understanding with them.

Or are you as daft with international diplomacy as you are with American criminal and civil law?

...... and because of their tenuous situation ......

Mmmmmm....Nuclear power with massive military and funding occupying/colonising a bunch of farmers, refugees and shopkeepers with AK's and korans.....What a tenous situation that is indeed.

Requisite in diplomacy is discussion with the relevant participants, and Israel is one of the relevant participants on this matter.
So, I assume that when the Palestinian government opposes a UN resolution pertaining to the Israel-Palestine conflict, the USA will do the same?

Or are they just not a relavent participant on the matter?

Who else thought this whole Anapolis thing was one giant joke?

No one came there with a view of trying to find any solutions. All they did was agree to talk in the future.

Hell, not even Bush was in it, and this was supposed to be the saving grace of his foreign policies as PotUS.

How long has it been since anything the UN has done hasn't been a joke?

It's nonsense.

So, I assume that when the Palestinian government opposes a UN resolution pertaining to the Israel-Palestine conflict, the USA will do the same?

Or are they just not a relavent participant on the matter?

In this particular case, had Abbas objected, they probably would have withdrawn the resolution.

How long has it been since anything the UN has done hasn't been a joke?
Anapolis didn't have anything to do with the UN. It was a US initiative, featuring players from Israel, Fatah, the US and Syria (maybe a few others, I can't remember). But none of them were there actually trying to achieve anything, it was just a photo call.

I was talking about the question asked in the original post. What does it matter if the US pulled a UN resolution? It's meaningless.

So, I assume that when the Palestinian government opposes a UN resolution pertaining to the Israel-Palestine conflict, the USA will do the same?

Or are they just not a relavent participant on the matter?

If they can come up with a sufficiently convincing reason, I don't see why not.

Or are you as daft with international diplomacy as you are with American criminal and civil law?

Ouch...

OD posting a "OMG JEWZ ARE EBIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" thread? Color me shocked.

In the case of Israel, a country that is a special ally of the United States..very very VERY special.. indeed. ;)

Israel controls the US foreign policy and leads the entire American country astray. We worry about the terrorists in the Middle East, yet ignore the ones on our own doorsteps.

This is NOT the first time the US has used its influence on the UN to support corrupt Israel. Even if you don't like the UN, you can't ignore that the US defends Israel against some actually good resolutions. The people of Palestine suffer for every dollar we ship to Israel.

OD posting a "OMG JEWZ ARE EBIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" thread? Color me shocked.
Your ignorance is unnerving.

Any Annapolis agreement would have to be approved by the US government in the standard process:

Congress
President
AIPAC

so, nothing will happen.

Israel controls the US foreign policy and leads the entire American country astray. We worry about the terrorists in the Middle East, yet ignore the ones on our own doorsteps.

This is NOT the first time the US has used its influence on the UN to support corrupt Israel. Even if you don't like the UN, you can't ignore that the US defends Israel against some actually good resolutions. The people of Palestine suffer for every dollar we ship to Israel.

Yep. That's called protecting an ally.

The Palestinians are not our allies. The Israelis are. We help the latter, and we don't give a shit about the former.

Just like every other country on earth.

The Palestinians are not our allies. The Israelis are. We help the Israelis, and we don't give a shit about the Palestinians.and that is why they should have these peace Conferences in EU, China or Japan.

meh, Israel is not a country and never will be, they are a giant military barracks dumped into the Middle East as a pawn of US geostrategic imperialism and to destroy the right of self-determination of the Palestinians and their sovereignty. In this this holocaust memorial state and its surrounding areas (occupied Palestinian territories) you will find evidence of racism being practiced against the arabic speaking populations - even those who were born citizens of the state of Israel are regarded as 2nd class citizens. Most of the Jews in the settlements are in fact fanatical messianic terrorists who buy the whole 'Greater Israel' myth.

meh, Israel is not a country and never will be, they are a giant military barracks dumped into the Middle East as a pawn of US geostrategic imperialism and to destroy the right of self-determination of the Palestinians and their sovereignty. In this this holocaust memorial state and its surrounding areas (occupied Palestinian territories) you will find evidence of racism being practiced against the arabic speaking populations - even those who were born citizens of the state of Israel are regarded as 2nd class citizens. Most of the Jews in the settlements are in fact fanatical messianic terrorists who buy the whole 'Greater Israel' myth.

What color is the sky in your world, EA?

and that is why they should have these peace Conferences in EU, China or Japan.

Probably a good idea, OD. But none of them seem interested in actually solving the problem. Right or wrong, the US is involved.

Probably a good idea, OD. But none of them seem interested in actually solving the problem.Yes they are.. some have even put forward some UN resolutions.. only to be banned by the US Gov.

Right or wrong, the US is involved.To be credible, a peace broker needs to have -at least- a resemblance of fairness.. The US gov does not have any..

Yes they are.. some have even put forward some UN resolutions.. only to be banned by the US Gov.

I have to say, I disagree. The UN resolutions always seem to take the form of "Israel must do this, and the Palestinians don't have to do anything." That's not a formula for a solution, it's just saying 'bad, bad, bad' and passing the buck.



To be credible, a peace broker needs to have -at least- a resemblance of fairness.. The US gov does not have any..

Yet, they managed the Camp David accords, helped broker the peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt...where the Europeans, China and Japan have done...nothing at all. If one aproach has had some success, and another has had no success, let's go with the former.

And puppet meets master...

A Jew hater like you would say that. Ditto for OD

meh, Israel is not a country and never will be, they are a giant military barracks dumped into the Middle East as a pawn of US geostrategic imperialism and to destroy the right of self-determination of the Palestinians and their sovereignty. In this this holocaust memorial state and its surrounding areas (occupied Palestinian territories) you will find evidence of racism being practiced against the arabic speaking populations - even those who were born citizens of the state of Israel are regarded as 2nd class citizens. Most of the Jews in the settlements are in fact fanatical messianic terrorists who buy the whole 'Greater Israel' myth.

That's gotta be the most hilarious thing I've read in General (and that says a lot, mind you). You obviously know nothing about both sides of the discussion, except for your own skewed version of things. I'd like some proof of the "Most of the Jews in the settlements are in fact fanatical messianic terrorists" part please.

My opinion can pretty much be summed up by Andaluciae's posts.

meh, Israel is not a country and never will be, they are a giant military barracks dumped into the Middle East as a pawn of US geostrategic imperialism and to destroy the right of self-determination of the Palestinians and their sovereignty. In this this holocaust memorial state and its surrounding areas (occupied Palestinian territories) you will find evidence of racism being practiced against the arabic speaking populations - even those who were born citizens of the state of Israel are regarded as 2nd class citizens. Most of the Jews in the settlements are in fact fanatical messianic terrorists who buy the whole 'Greater Israel' myth.

Thank you for positng EA. Keep posting this crap of yours because you bring more support for my cause. Can you post every 5 minutes please?

where the Europeans, China and Japan have done...nothing at all. They cant if the US Gov. keeps blocking their resolution proposals.

If one aproach has had some success....success? success??? what success?..
Year-after-year..we have been trowing money at the problem -Billions- yet the place is still a never ending bloody mess... with soldiers killing men, women and Children, with civilian families killed on both sides.. Year-after-year.. It has been like that since before I was born..

If you call that success.. then maybe you also think the Titanic is still floating.

I have to say, I disagree. The UN resolutions always seem to take the form of "Israel must do this, and the Palestinians don't have to do anything." That's not a formula for a solution, it's just saying 'bad, bad, bad' and passing the buck.


Hmmm, well what can Palestine do? Every government they have had is weak and gets toppled by Israel whenever it grows a pair of Bal**. Not only that but Israel is the one occupying land in the first place. Quite frankly obviously Palestine should have to recognize Israel, but obviously Israel has to do more because its causing most of the damage.

Honestly, Israel smashed Lebanon, one of the few formerly prosperous Arab country not reliant on oil because of two stupid soldiers.

They cant if the US Gov. keeps blocking their resolution proposals.

Which wouldn't have been blocked if they actually had any value. As I said before, these resolutions would not have done any good anyway - they're just a way for uninvolved countries to feel good about themselves without actually doing any of the hard work that might, someday, result in an actual solution.

success? success??? what success?..
Year-after-year..we have been trowing money at the problem -Billions- yet the place is still a never ending bloody mess... with soldiers killing men, women and Children, with civilian families killed on both sides.. Year-after-year.. It has been like that since before I was born..

If you call that success.. then maybe you also think the Titanic is still floating.

Yes, there has been some success.

Israel has not faced another pan-Arab assault.

Egypt and Jordan are at peace with Israel.

The PLO was recognized, allowed to return to Palestine, and formed a government, giving Palestine a national voice for the first time.

Israel has agreed that continued settlement building will have to stop, and has even done some enforcement on the issue (though not enough).

Saudi Arabia and several other states have become involved in peace processes.

Is everything good? Far from it. We are still a long way from a comprehensive, two-state solution to end the violence and spread peace and the possibility of prosperity for all involved. We still have murderous fanatics on both sides inflicting their poisonous religious dogmas on all and sundry. We still have internal conflicts of those involved being more important than the big picture.

Peace is still a long way away. But the US, largely alone of all the western nations, seems to be willing to stand there and say "We're here, we're not going away, and we want to help." And they have.

Hmmm, well what can Palestine do? Every government they have had is weak and gets toppled by Israel whenever it grows a pair of Bal**. Not only that but Israel is the one occupying land in the first place. Quite frankly obviously Palestine should have to recognize Israel, but obviously Israel has to do more because its causing most of the damage.

Honestly, Israel smashed Lebanon, one of the few formerly prosperous Arab country not reliant on oil because of two stupid soldiers.

To be fair, Lebanon smashed Lebanon long before Israel got involved.

But, yeah, if the resolutions sad something like "Israel must stop settlements, and Palestine must acknowledge the existence and right to exist of Israel" then I for one would have no problem with them. It's treating a complex issue like a simple one and assuming one side or the other is the Bad Guy that I have a problem with.

Israel has not faced another pan-Arab assault.

Egypt and Jordan are at peace with Israel.

The PLO was recognized, allowed to return to Palestine, and formed a government, giving Palestine a national voice for the first time.

Israel has agreed that continued settlement building will have to stop, and has even done some enforcement on the issue (though not enough).Success is when they can live normal lives.. its when they can send the kid to buy bread without worrying about him being murdered.. all the other stuff is just "Mission-Accomplished" banners on a Carrier.
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Which wouldn't have been blocked if they actually had any value. As I said before, these resolutions would not have done any good anyway - they're just a way for uninvolved countries to feel good about themselves...The only reason why the US gov banned these resolutions is because they were condemning something Israel did.

Yea that was not a good idea, I wish the government would just look after our own affairs. I don't like all this do-goody interference.

I have to say, I disagree. The UN resolutions always seem to take the form of "Israel must do this, and the Palestinians don't have to do anything." That's not a formula for a solution, it's just saying 'bad, bad, bad' and passing the buck..


One of the more pathetic simplifications I've come across. Many of the resolutions just call on Israel to follow the obligations any other state would be obliged to follow, such as implementing the Geneva convention in the OT and stopping settlement construction. You also seem to think theres some 'parity of guilt' between the Palistinians and the Israelis, when in fact its Israel that is the occupying force, in breach of UN 242.


...where the Europeans, China and Japan have done...nothing at all. If one aproach has had some success, and another has had no success, let's go with the former.


How can anyone do anything when the US vetoes the resolutions?


Israel has agreed that continued settlement building will have to stop, and has even done some enforcement on the issue (though not enough)..

*snicker....

Crapola. They closed a few "outposts" and then announced massive expansions of existing settlements and at least one new one. Thus they claim they arent approving new settlements when in fact they are trying to link them around Arab East Jerusalem. Do I have to dig out the articles again?


Israel must stop settlements, and Palestine must acknowledge the existence and right to exist of Israel")..

If the Palestinians had tails, smelt bad, and worshipped some strange goat-legged figure with horns, the settlements would still be illegal. The idea that some concession should be linked to stopping of settlements is insane. You could link it to the occupation, or Israeli attacks, but the settlements are a blatant land grab, by any standard.

If they can come up with a sufficiently convincing reason, I don't see why not.
America's voting history leaves me a little sceptical. Perhaps in the context of the Annapolis discussion they might, but they certainatly wouldn't normally.

I agree with the basic point that it is good to consult, or at least make the countries concerned aware, before passing a resolution. However it should not necessarily be dependent on their approval, it is simply diplomatic to speak on the matter first. However I think everyone here would admit that if it were the Palestinians who were objecting, I doubt the US would be so concerned over concerns and consultation.

As for other countries getting involved in the peace process. The Saudis have repeatedly made valid proposals, long before being involved in the Annapolis conference, yet have repeatedly been sidelined by the Americans. The Saudi proposal was accepted by the Arab world and many in Europe. Had the US thrown it's weight behind the plan and pressured Israel to make some genuine and real concessions then the project could have made some headway, but no. They have proposed a solution right back since the 1980's, with the Fahd Plan / Fez Initiative.

As for the benefits of the US peace process. I think the lack of military action against Israel is more due to the fear of the Israeli nuclear arsenal and divisions between Arab states than any meaningful peace. Egypt's peace deal with Israel has more to deal with the military realities on the ground and the desire to modernise the Egyptian military (Egyptian military support was part of the deal) rather than the brilliance of American diplomacy, whilst Jordan has many reasons of it's own to pursue peace, not least the desire not to be sucked into pointless wars.

At the end of the day, Palestinian land has been annexed by Israel, which has then proceeded to wreck the place. The onus is on the Israelis to show goodwill and make concessions, not the people they occupied. Yes, in return for this there should be recognition of Israel and a serious attempt to stop any attacks, but the ball is in Israel's court and also it should be noted that Israel holds all the aces. How could the Palestinian authorities stop terrorists when they have no sovereignty and no real power. And how can a nation that doesn't exist recognise another nation? It is only when they have a nation that they can be expected to interact as one with others.

Israel has done next to nothing to prevent settlement expansion, though freezing of such activity also implicitly bestows legitimacy on existing settlements. The handful of outposts is nothing more than empty gesture.

Was Annapolis a sham? Yes. Everyone had to show so it didn't look like they were party poopers, but no one really went in with any expectations, and they weren't disappointed.

However I think everyone here would admit that if it were the Palestinians who were objecting, I doubt the US would be so concerned ....yes, everyone knows the US Gov is fair and Balanced about Palestine/Israel ;)