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Ok so I might get a PS3 or Xbox 360. I'm really not sure what to get if I get one. I've looked at the official websites already. I looked at the ToysRus websit4e just to get a price gauge but I'll probably look at Circuit City and Best Buy too. I know a few people with 360s and have played 360. I do like the online. Now the real clentcher is I already have a PS2. So in order to play PS2 games I'd have to get the 80 gig. Well, thats pretty expensive. Looking at ToysRus (because they'd probably have the cheapest electronics prices) I can see that the cheapest 360 package is much,much cheaper. Also more people I know will probably invest in the 360 if they purchase a next gen console. As for games the 360 might have 1 or better (mainly Halo 3) but PS3 has lots of great games that the 360 has. COD4, and Assasins Creed to name two. Plus some PS3 exclusive games aren't to shabby. SO what do you think? Opions,sites, personal experience,what you own,etc. All welcome.

Poll coming.

Get a good computer and steal your games online for free.

360, better online, better controller, slightly less crazy people at the helm, multi-platform games usually turn out better, more good exclusives (for now).

PS3, "potential, free online, MGS4, less d***s online, cures cancer, multi-platform games may turn out better in the future.

I personally think the 360's better.

Ok so I might get a PS3 or Xbox 360. I'm really not sure what to get if I get one. I've looked at the official websites already. I looked at the ToysRus websit4e just to get a price gauge but I'll probably look at Circuit City and Best Buy too. I know a few people with 360s and have played 360. I do like the online. Now the real clentcher is I already have a PS2. So in order to play PS2 games I'd have to get the 80 gig. Well, thats pretty expensive. Looking at ToysRus (because they'd probably have the cheapest electronics prices) I can see that the cheapest 360 package is much,much cheaper. Also more people I know will probably invest in the 360 if they purchase a next gen console. As for games the 360 might have 1 or better (mainly Halo 3) but PS3 has lots of great games that the 360 has. COD4, and Assasins Creed to name two. Plus some PS3 exclusive games aren't to shabby. SO what do you think? Opions,sites, personal experience,what you own,etc. All welcome.

Poll coming.
why do you need to get rid of your PS2? why not hook up both with a multi port junction box.

if you're really split even between the two, you can always go with the PS3 and swap games if you wanna play the 360...

Basically the only advantage the 360 has is that right now it has more and better exclusive games.

In the long run, I think there is every reason to believe the PS3 will catch up on that front. Just in the next six months there are several excellent titles, including the one I've really been waiting for: Final Fantasy XIII.

Meanwhile, the PS3 has Blu-ray, better HD capacity overall, a FREE online community that will soon turn into Sony's "Home," which looks pretty promising if you ask me.

Overall, I have to stick with Sony on this one.

Oh, and as for the backward compatibility issue... DEFINITELY go for the 80GB model. Sure, you could just keep your PS2 around... but one of the coolest things about the PS3 is upscaling my PS2 games to 1080p. Honestly, I couldn't go back.

All the good games on Xbox 360 are available for other systems, while for the PS3 you have to choose between a second mortgage or abandoning all backwards compatibility while still burning your life savings on a doomed console. Stick with the Nintendo Wii.

i'd get a 360, because i have one and it rocks, but then i use it more as a media centre than a console tbh. when i do play games on it, it rocks.


but then again, Wii > all

Having sold my PS2, I've rediscovered fresh air. Save your money and go with that.

Earlier this morning I realised that the ulterior motive behind my wife's "how'd you fancy a PS3 or an XBox 360 for Christmas?" was that she and her friends have been using my PS2 to play that mad dancing game. I hadn't even thought about a new console until she mentioned it a couple of days ago, so I'd love to hear some more opinions :)

Get a Wii.

PS3 and 360 are both made of phail.

*puts on fanboy hat*

Well what kind of games do you like? If you like games which are all about fun and gameplay, get a wii. If you like impressive looking/sounding/feeling games, with competitive game play especially online, get a 360. If you're a complete and utter tool, get a PS3.

Get a Wii.

at my house we have come to the conclusion that sony hates its users.

if we buy another console, it will be an xbox.

we already own a wii

but our favorite game systems are the computer and the DS.

Basically the only advantage the 360 has is that right now it has more and better exclusive games.
So, basically, the one and only advantage of the 360 right now is that it's the better console, since, you know, the whole point of a console is to play games?

In the long run, I think there is every reason to believe the PS3 will catch up on that front. Just in the next six months there are several excellent titles, including the one I've really been waiting for: Final Fantasy XIII.
On that I agree, but it's going to take longer than 6 months for the PS3 to completely catch up. More like 2 years or so.

Meanwhile, the PS3 has Blu-ray, better HD capacity overall, a FREE online community that will soon turn into Sony's "Home," which looks pretty promising if you ask me.

I wouldn't have mentioned this if you hadn't talked about 1080p below, but there's a common belief that most PS3 games run in full HD resolution, which isn't all that strange since 1080p is really supposed to be 1920x1080. That, however, is not the resolution almost any PS3 games run at. Instead, the preferred resolution for the 1080p games is 960x1080, which is very close to the 360's standard resolution of 1280x720.

Of course, in this area they're both crap compared to the PC, so if it's technical excellence you're after, that's where you need to go. If it's about games (and it really should be) you should sit down and think hard about what kind of games you're interested in, and figure out which platform is able to provide them, now and in the future.

at my house we have come to the conclusion that sony hates its users.

if we buy another console, it will be an xbox.

we already own a wii

but our favorite game systems are the computer and the DS.

That's also my home exactly. It's all about PC and Nintendo here, although we like the looks of the 360 more.

My honest opinion, when it comes to PS3 vs. XBox, I'd say neither, just get a Wii instead. Better exclusive games, and you just pay the one price and get a Wii as opposed to that you-only-deserve-the-full-system-if-you're-rich crap the 360 and PS3 pull.
Microsoft and Sony really should've known better and if you're going to vary price based on options then at least let the customer decide what options they want and which ones they don't. I'd have much less of an issue with the different versions if you could for example go to Microsoft.com and say you want an XBox 360 with the XBox backward compatibility but you don't want to pay for the larger hard disk.

That's also my home exactly. It's all about PC and Nintendo here, although we like the looks of the 360 more.

My honest opinion, when it comes to PS3 vs. XBox, I'd say neither, just get a Wii instead. Better exclusive games, and you just pay the one price and get a Wii as opposed to that you-only-deserve-the-full-system-if-you're-rich crap the 360 and PS3 pull.

yeah.

we were considering getting an xbox so that we could play assassin's creed. but then we found out that its coming out for pc in february. id rather wait.

That's also my home exactly. It's all about PC and Nintendo here, although we like the looks of the 360 more.

My honest opinion, when it comes to PS3 vs. XBox, I'd say neither, just get a Wii instead. Better exclusive games, and you just pay the one price and get a Wii as opposed to that you-only-deserve-the-full-system-if-you're-rich crap the 360 and PS3 pull.

Not really.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/
http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

The vast majority of non-exclusives games will never appear on Wii, as it lacks the hardware to run them. This effectively makes almost every game exclusive to a console other than the Wii, and that's not really a good selling point for it. Of course, if you love Nintendo's first party games, you should get a Wii. For everything else, you're better served by another console.

Microsoft and Sony really should've known better and if you're going to vary price based on options then at least let the customer decide what options they want and which ones they don't. I'd have much less of an issue with the different versions if you could for example go to Microsoft.com and say you want an XBox 360 with the XBox backward compatibility but you don't want to pay for the larger hard disk.
I really thought that Microsoft knew better. The first Xbox only came in one version, and it was the first to include a hard drive to save savegames and cache game data to. But they really blew it with the 360. I guess it's just too tempting to nickle-and-dime gamers to make both their console and their games complete, especially when you don't make any profit, like Microsoft's Xbox division. PS3 is a bit better here though, and it's not like Nintendo is perfect either. How much are those super-cheap-to-manufacture remotes and nunchuks going for again?

Except that they appear on the PC, which most of the people here have...

Ok so I might get a PS3 or Xbox 360. I'm really not sure what to get if I get one. I've looked at the official websites already. I looked at the ToysRus websit4e just to get a price gauge but I'll probably look at Circuit City and Best Buy too. I know a few people with 360s and have played 360. I do like the online. Now the real clentcher is I already have a PS2. So in order to play PS2 games I'd have to get the 80 gig. Well, thats pretty expensive. Looking at ToysRus (because they'd probably have the cheapest electronics prices) I can see that the cheapest 360 package is much,much cheaper. Also more people I know will probably invest in the 360 if they purchase a next gen console. As for games the 360 might have 1 or better (mainly Halo 3) but PS3 has lots of great games that the 360 has. COD4, and Assasins Creed to name two. Plus some PS3 exclusive games aren't to shabby. SO what do you think? Opions,sites, personal experience,what you own,etc. All welcome.

Poll coming.
Go for a Wii instead. It's a media centre with news, weather, and in-depth games. You feel what's happening with motion sensative controllers!
Not to mension, you get a FREE game with it LEGALY!:cool:

Except that they appear on the PC, which most of the people here have...

A good number of them do, but just looking through the metacritic 360 top 20 list gives 10 games that do not have a PC version, and two more timed exclusives (Gears of War and Mass Effect).

Ignore the wankery and go with the system that has the games you want to play. Failing that, go with the system that feels right (has a good controller, the interfaces work out for you). I hate the Xbox controllers with a passion and don't like the menus and the Playstation has traditionally been a better platform for racing games, so that's what I've had. I don't know that that is true as much anymore-I really don't like Project Gotham, but it does seem that Forza does everything that GT doesn't. But then there are the sports racing games that cover specific series as well, that will make my final decision when the time comes.

All the wankery in the world doesn't matter if there aren't games you want to play. If you're buying based on what pissants on the internet think is technically 'cooler' you're going to end up with some useless crap that has an impressive set of numbers.

Get the PS3 and if you really minted buy a wii as well then you have everything, and ot that person before who said trhe xbox has better controllers - you are crazy!!!!!

You have a PS2? Honestly, just keep playing that. Get a Wii if you ever finish with it.

Having sold my PS2, I've rediscovered fresh air. Save your money and go with that.

Ah, but I have WINDOWS... so I can get fresh air.
*looks out of window*
what's that big... round... glowing thing in the sky? :confused:

We have a Wii and a Xbox 360 at our home. The Wii collects dust while the Xbox 360 is probably going to have to be replaced because of the kids and neighbor kids that come over and put it to constant use. Judging by what I hear of the "hood" kids I would say Xbox 360. After all they are the experts in this field.

We have a Wii and a Xbox 360 at our home. The Wii collects dust while the Xbox 360 is probably going to have to be replaced because of the kids and neighbor kids that come over and put it to constant use. Judging by what I hear of the "hood" kids I would say Xbox 360. After all they are the experts in this field.

By the sound of things, the 360 would've needed replacing either way. :p

We have a Wii and a Xbox 360 at our home. The Wii collects dust while the Xbox 360 is probably going to have to be replaced because of the kids and neighbor kids that come over and put it to constant use. Judging by what I hear of the "hood" kids I would say Xbox 360. After all they are the experts in this field.

What a cliché argument. I've seen that almost everywhere I've gone to look for reviews.

What a cliché argument. I've seen that almost everywhere I've gone to look for reviews.

It is not a argument. It's a scientific study going on at my humble abode as we speak. ;)

By the sound of things, the 360 would've needed replacing either way. :p

We already had to replace it when a can of soda was spilled on it.

What a cliché argument. I've seen that almost everywhere I've gone to look for reviews.

but if it's true... :p

at my latest family gathering, someone brought a WII. and everyone had fun with it. I finally got to experience Guitar Hero II (and when I get that damn video recording from my brother...)

however, the WII is not for Me. due to the size of my apartment, I can't see using the WII since most of the games look and play better on a big screen and when you have lots of room to move.

but if it's true... :p

at my latest family gathering, someone brought a WII. and everyone had fun with it. I finally got to experience Guitar Hero II (and when I get that damn video recording from my brother...)

however, the WII is not for Me. due to the size of my apartment, I can't see using the WII since most of the games look and play better on a big screen and when you have lots of room to move.

You really can just use small movements for some of those things, you know?

Neither. Get a Wii.

I would say try to play them both a couple of times (and play different games for each, too) and go with the one where you have the most fun. I've got a 360, and I love it. (As soon as I get it repaired, that is... mine was one of the earlier ones, before they fixed the RoD problem.) I say this as a former Sony fan. I had both the Playstation and the PS2-- I still have the PS2 to play those games.

A word of warning, though: I find that increasing your gamerscore is mind-numbingly addictive. But it's fun. I have, at times, replayed certain parts in games again and again just to get one 15 point achievement.

As for what games to get, I'd recommend: (and this list is by no means complete, it's just off the top of my head)

Gears of War
Halos 1-3 (as overrated as they are, I find that they are still very fun games, and worth playing)
Dead Rising
Call of Duty 3
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Deathrow (an original Xbox game. It's a lot of fun, but nobody ever seems to have played or heard of it. One of the most underrated games out there, I think. I was able to pick up a copy for $7.99US)
Armored Core 4
I've heard good things about both CoD4 and Assassin's Creed, but I haven't gotten around to playing either of them... no use buying 360 games when your 360 is broken. :(


Now, for Xbox Live Arcade, I'd recommend:
Worms
Aegis Wing (the full version is free, and is a shitload of fun. I've spent hours trying to get the last achievement, and I still don't have it-- but it still hasn't gotten boring!)
Alien Hominid HD (I only have the trial version, but I'm getting the full version when I get enough cash to spare on such things)
Cloning Clyde (same as above)

If you do go with the 360, hit me up with a friend request and we can play sometime. (Same goes for anybody else, by the way, that might want to play) My gamertag is currently Major Ramen, but I'm planning on changing it at some point...

Though, if you like the PS3 better, then I can't really help you much with game selection. I've heard good things about Resistance: Fall of Man, but I've not played it yet.

The way I see it, many of the "exclusives" I'd like to play on the 360 are going to come out for PC or are already out, whereas the exclusives for PS3 are in all probability going to stay put. So, I bought a PS3. Now I can play Resistance, Warhawk, R&C3, and (soon) MGS4 as well as a lot of other exclusives that are coming on the PS3 and Bioshock, Gears of War, etc. on the PC.

Neither. You should get a Wii.

Step 1. Assume you already have both consoles
Step 2. Compile a list of the games you would now go out and buy, keeping Step 1. in mind
Step 3. If the majority of the games are for the X Box 360, buy one, and vice versa.

I Really Suggest You Go For A 360.
Because lets be honest. Its always going to outdo Playstation.
Bill Gates - Multi-billionaire owner, he's going to obviously buy rights to more and better exclusive games. look at halo and gears of war. Saints row aswell. All brand new and brilliant. If Grand Theft Auto + Call Of Duty had not previously released games for Playstation they'd be exclusive to Xbox aswell.

Lets face it. Xbox Live is better than whatever they call Playstations online. And to be quite frank, a 360 looks more attractive.

360!!!!
*Runs around shooting gun in air*
And it has a three year warranty!

I have a PS3 and I love it. Big advantage over the 360 are web browser and not having to pay for online play. I mean what kind of shit is that, seriously? Not to mention the PS3 games coming out for it 1st quarter of next year will be amazing. And anyone who says the Wii is just poor. Its rubbish and for children. So go with the PS3.

I have a PS3 and I love it. Big advantage over the 360 are web browser and not having to pay for online play. I mean what kind of shit is that, seriously? Not to mention the PS3 games coming out for it 1st quarter of next year will be amazing. And anyone who says the Wii is just poor. Its rubbish and for children. So go with the PS3.

The cost for online play on the 360 is only $50 for a whole year. Very minor issue really. Because of the money that Microsoft has to throw behind the 360 I would bet on it over the PS3 with whatever advantage the PS3 may have. The higher tech device as we all know does not mean it will beat out the lower tech well funded ones.

360 is cheaper and better for now and the short term future.

PS3 is more expensive but will probably be better in the longer term, when developers get more used to how to use it and better games come out for it.

Oversimplified yes.
Depends what you want.

I believe a certain pollmaker missed a good third of the suggestions in the thread. :p

The cost for online play on the 360 is only $50 for a whole year. Very minor issue really. Because of the money that Microsoft has to throw behind the 360 I would bet on it over the PS3 with whatever advantage the PS3 may have. The higher tech device as we all know does not mean it will beat out the lower tech well funded ones.

Thats $50 I don't have to spend a year for the life of these systems. Have fun burning your money.

*puts on fanboy hat*

Well what kind of games do you like? If you like games which are all about fun and gameplay, get a wii. If you like impressive looking/sounding/feeling games, with competitive game play especially online, get a 360. If you're a complete and utter tool, get a PS3.

:p

if my ISP wasn't down i'd put that in my quotes page ;)


i found this interesting: http://www.itvidya.com/playstation_3_vs_xbox_360

It all matters on which of the exclusive games look good to you...that's why I'd go with the PS3

I have a 360 and it's good but none of the games really seem like... a killer app to me, at least not yet.
1 Gears of War is fun
2 Halo 3 looks promising but I find that Halo as a series just doesn't do it for me (maybe 'cause I don't play online...meh)
3 Mass Effect I've heard is just like KOTOR so I'm staying away from that,
4 Bioshock was okay
5 Too Human looked amazing but I heard it's in development hell
6 Crackdown was fun if not short
7 Lost Odyssey could be could depending on what kind of gameplay it has
8 Saint's Row was really good, But I hear number 2 isn't going to be exclusive to 360
9 Fable 2 whenever it comes out will probably be a killer app for me on the 360

Whereas the on the PS3
1 Heavenly Sword and
2 Lair look great
3 So does Uncharted Drake's Fortune
4 Folklore looks interesting
5 Genji is super fun
6 Haze looks interesting
7 InFamous looks cool
8 Killzone looks good
9 Resistance Fall of Man was a good game
10 Warhawk looked cool
11 White Knight Chronicles - depends on what kind of RPG it is

And the PS3 will have my two favourite franchises of all time
http://www.mobileworld.com.my/pstart/wp-content/uploads/gow2_dr.jpg
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/6954164538551596.GIF?0.6970116724853285

I guess you should just look at which console has the most exclusive games that look the best to you

BTW...I hate the Wii, I personally find that none of the games on the Wii, except Wii sports which is kinda getting boring now, are good...I really dislike the Zelda series...I don't find Metroid and Mario to be fun in 3-D (Galaxy was really boring and running around on the planets kinda made feel sick with the different camera angles)

Go for a Wii instead. It's a media centre with news, weather, and in-depth games. You feel what's happening with motion sensative controllers!
Not to mension, you get a FREE game with it LEGALY!:cool:

1) The Wii is not a media centre, by any stretch of the term
2) PC is better for news
3) The weather is always at the very least 6-12 hours old

Get the PS3 and if you really minted buy a wii as well then you have everything, and ot that person before who said trhe xbox has better controllers - you are crazy!!!!!

PS3 controller's left analog stick should've swapped with the D-pad ages ago, until they change that I stand by what I said. Also they don't have rumble yet.

however, the WII is not for Me. due to the size of my apartment, I can't see using the WII since most of the games look and play better on a big screen and when you have lots of room to move.

Wii Sports and Warioware need room, beyond that you don't need much.

BTW...I hate the Wii, I personally find that none of the games on the Wii, except Wii sports which is kinda getting boring now, are good...I really dislike the Zelda series...I don't find Metroid and Mario to be fun in 3-D (Galaxy was really boring and running around on the planets kinda made feel sick with the different camera angles)

If you hate Nintendo first-party games, why the hell did you have a Wii? Did you not know what you were getting into?

Also stop trying to pass your opinion off as fact.

PS3 is 1080p, nuff said.

I have all three systems in my house and the PS3 is my favorite. When it comes to multi-platform games, they are better on PS3.

360 is good, but it isn't 1080. Wii is just a novelty. We played it for a week and a half and barely touch it.

Personally, I'd get both if I could afford them. The PS3 and 360 are both excellent consoles that excel in slightly different ways, making the choice based more on your personal gaming interests than anything else.

Now, IMHO, the PS3 is likely to have a longer "life" than the 360 (in other words, it'll last longer until a PS4 is released and you'd have to upgrade), but this comes at the cost of a relatively smaller gaming lineup (again, due to the fact that the PS3's hardware is more complicated than the 360's, which means it'll take longer for developers to unlock its potential). The 360 tends to be better when it comes to FPS and online capabilities, although on the contrary the PS3's service is entirely free...again, it's a decision based upon your gaming preference.

Now, for the disclaimer: I have a PS3; I bought it both due to the fact that some of my favorite games are released solely for it, it's a Blu-Ray player, and it's 1080p. But, again, I stress choosing the console that fits your interests best (of course, this advice is rather obvious, but since I loathe fanboyism, I always emphasize this point).

Get a Wii!

Halo 3 was a let down, Mario Galaxy is one of the highest rated games ever.
Wii gets you off your fat ass, everything else gives you one.

And the #1 reason to get a Wii?



SUPER SMASH BROTHERS BRAWL, BABY!


AWwwWWWwWW yeah.....:fluffle:...Oh yeah....Brawwllllll....soo much better than Halo......

PS3 controller's left analog stick should've swapped with the D-pad ages ago, until they change that I stand by what I said. Also they don't have rumble yet.



God that's a horrible idea. Off set sticks suck.

Heres my review on them

Wii: Its probably the best console there is out but really, if you're a graphics whore you're just another new gen player nothing against you but whats the point of graphics.

Also the Wii does get a tad boring if you are totally friendless, the Wii is a must for people that have atleast 1 friend, I love staying up all night have a little Wii-Party. The Wii is a nice system with the WiiShop and Miis and also the other channels, but again if you are a graphics whore then the WiiShop is pointless. The internet channel is also great, I just use it to watch youtube clips some times.

XBox 360: This is for the hardcore games I guess, its a last gen console with better graphics. I recommend this for any hardcore gamer or a gw since the graphics are great. It really doesn't have special games besides the exclusive content for that game that Microsoft buys out for a couple million.

PS3: I would of got this but it has no potential yet it will soon in the future. It really doesn't have anything special yet, so I would just wait till next year. Its a great entertainment pack, well not really Blu-Rays cost to much. It's not so much hardcore either without the rumble the games don't have a feel to them.

The Verdict: The Wii wiins? Well the Wii does have a upperhand in all, the PS3 is a epic fail since every company will use the XBox or Wii since blu-rays just cost to much. Monster Hunter 3 is now going to the wii for that exact reason. So most special console only games will go to the Wii or the XBox 360.

So now you should choose between the Wii or XBox imo.

Both are a waste of money.

*snip*
You should probably go and read some reviews of a few of these "great" PS3 games you mention, such as Lair. You should probably also familiarize yourself with the games available on the 360, because it doesn't seem like you know much about that topic at all.
PS3 is 1080p, nuff said.

Now, for the disclaimer: I have a PS3; I bought it both due to the fact that some of my favorite games are released solely for it, it's a Blu-Ray player, and it's 1080p.
Perhaps you two didn't notice my previous reply on the topic. Nearly all PS3 games run in 720p and slightly higher resolutions such as 960x1080. Almost no games run at full 1080p. This is not because it "lacks the power" to do so, but because developers give priority to effects over resolution. Generally, PS3 games have the edge in resolution, but the difference isn't as vast as most think.

PS3: I would of got this but it has no potential yet it will soon in the future. It really doesn't have anything special yet, so I would just wait till next year.

The Verdict: The Wii wiins? Well the Wii does have a upperhand in all, the PS3 is a epic fail since every company will use the XBox or Wii since blu-rays just cost to much. Monster Hunter 3 is now going to the wii for that exact reason. So most special console only games will go to the Wii or the XBox 360.

You contradict yourself. First you say that PS3 will get special games in time, next you say that the special games will go to 360 or Wii. A quick look at sites like metacritic (which I linked to before), and why not a quick look at the list of known upcoming games at wikipedia, should be evidence enough that the PS3 is getting plenty of games, and plenty of exclusives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

Perhaps you two didn't notice my previous reply on the topic. Nearly all PS3 games run in 720p and slightly higher resolutions such as 960x1080. Almost no games run at full 1080p. This is not because it "lacks the power" to do so, but because developers give priority to effects over resolution. Generally, PS3 games have the edge in resolution, but the difference isn't as vast as most think.

CoD4 runs in 640p along with a bunch of other games (Halo 3 does too). Resolution doesn't really matter when you're sacrificing it to pull of other nice stuff.

CoD4 runs in 640p along with a bunch of other games (Halo 3 does too). Resolution doesn't really matter when you're sacrificing it to pull of other nice stuff.

Yup, resolution is definitely not everything, and there are several games on both 360 and PS3 that run in less than 720p resolution. I still think it's a bit disappointing; I had hoped for a standard of 720p with good framerates this generation, but I guess developers will always find a way to bring new hardware to its knees, huh?

Here's the thing: Developers big and small are leaving Sony in droves. The thing that made the PS2 great was that it was so easy to develop on - small-time developers like, say... Nippon Ichi could make their games and get them out there. Now all of those companies are moving to Nintendo.

Hell, even Squeenix is making amends with Nintendo...don't be surprised if FFXIII isn't a PS3 exclusive. Or isn't on the PS3 at all.

Mario Galaxy is the number 1 highest-rated game of all time currently, having recently trumped Ocarina of Time (Zelda). You can't argue with that.

So if it really is just between the 360 and PS3, go with the 360. There were a lot of comparisons for the cross-console releases when the PS3/Wii launched, and the 360 looked loads better in all but one that I saw. Yes, that includes CoD - the PS3 version has a blur effect that makes spotting enemies while moving needlessly difficult. The 360 does have visual effects like that, but it doesn't obstruct one's vision.

Frankly...the PS3 has failed ten times over already and there's no reason to believe it will do anything but continue to fail in the foreseeable future. Sony was arrogant and boastful before the console was released, they stole technology from the other consoles, they only HAVE 5 or 6 exclusives after a solid year...Capcom has completely ditched Sony, as have those small companies like Nippon Ichi. I've heard bad things about the controls in every PS3 game I've read a review for, and I'd have to agree on the ones I've spotted in Wal Mart or whatever (read: Heavenly Sword). Conversely, the 360 is basically just a hardware update for the Xbox allowing you to make prettier games. The Wii is the only next-gen console. The others are the same old crap. But go with the 360 if you must get one of those, and you will be pleased with the results, I'm sure.

Yup, resolution is definitely not everything, and there are several games on both 360 and PS3 that run in less than 720p resolution. I still think it's a bit disappointing; I had hoped for a standard of 720p with good framerates this generation, but I guess developers will always find a way to bring new hardware to its knees, huh?

I don't care how good it looks, and I don't care what resolution it runs in (to and extent), but game developers know how powerful hardware is from the beginning, and should design their games accordingly. There is no excuse for slowdown.

A good number of them do, but just looking through the metacritic 360 top 20 list gives 10 games that do not have a PC version, and two more timed exclusives (Gears of War and Mass Effect).

I could never figure out though. What was the difference between exclusive and timed exclusive?

I could never figure out though. What was the difference between exclusive and timed exclusive?

A game comes out for one system and the owners wait a period of time to develop it for PC. Or another console, I guess, but they generally fuck over PC users in this process.

Gears of War, Halo 2. Both came out for Xbox (360), but PC gamers had to wait a year or two. Fuck, they bound Halo 2 to Vista and didn't change a damn thing in the game. They just ported it.

I could never figure out though. What was the difference between exclusive and timed exclusive?

It's just what it sounds like. Exclusive means it's only on one console and timed exclusive means it's held back for other platforms for a time. Microsoft and Sony wants as many games as possible to be only for their console, so they pay publishers to keep it to their console for a couple of months, or even more.

I don't care how good it looks, and I don't care what resolution it runs in (to and extent), but game developers know how powerful hardware is from the beginning, and should design their games accordingly. There is no excuse for slowdown.

I agree about there being no excuse, but I wouldn't blame the developers as much as the people that pay them. It's the latter people that decide what is good enough and when a game is ready to ship. And they're usually wrong.

How long have PS3 people been saying "wait till next year"? Wasn't I told this in December last year? And then nothing seemingly earth shattering happened. (I say seemingly because everyone went batshit insane over BioShock and Halo 3 and neither really accomplished anything.) The greatest PS3 had to offer didn't come to fruition.

I'm skeptical of the constant "wait and see" approach. I'm happy with my PC.






Except when it gets dicked over by Microsoft. Fuckin Halo 2.

I say go with the 360, it's got better games so far and is a hell of a lot cheaper

If you hate Nintendo first-party games, why the hell did you have a Wii? Did you not know what you were getting into?

Also stop trying to pass your opinion off as fact.

I don't have a Wii, my cousin has one I played it at his house...

and how am I trying to pass my opinion as fact, I clearly stated that half the post was my opinion and not fact...

You should probably go and read some reviews of a few of these "great" PS3 games you mention, such as Lair. You should probably also familiarize yourself with the games available on the 360, because it doesn't seem like you know much about that topic at all.

I don't trust reviewers and critics...I'd rather judge a game myself

It's just what it sounds like. Exclusive means it's only on one console and timed exclusive means it's held back for other platforms for a time. Microsoft and Sony wants as many games as possible to be only for their console, so they pay publishers to keep it to their console for a couple of months, or even more.

Oh good. There was much anguish when AC6 came out on the 360 instead of the series longtime platform, PS2.

A good number of them do, but just looking through the metacritic 360 top 20 list gives 10 games that do not have a PC version, and two more timed exclusives (Gears of War and Mass Effect).

Meh, I see plenty to show it works the other way round too.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/pc/scores/


Anyway, the greatest game has already come out and it was on the PC, nyer :p

:)

Meh, I see plenty to show it works the other way round too.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/pc/scores/


Anyway, the greatest game has already come out and it was on the PC, nyer :p

:)

Windows is obviously a strong gaming platform, and it used to be my preferred platform as well (I run Linux now so no gaming for me), but we're talking consoles here. :)

And sadly, I don't think you'll be smiling a couple of years from now. Microsoft is hard at work to make Windows gaming more console-like; they want to control the games and tie them more closely to Microsoft's platforms, and I fear they will succeed.

And sadly, I don't think you'll be smiling a couple of years from now. Microsoft is hard at work to make Windows gaming more console-like; they want to control the games and tie them more closely to Microsoft's platforms, and I fear they will succeed.

I realise that.

Fortunately though I have a decent library of past quality games (tbh, though I appreciate nice graphics, gameplay and story are more important to me, one reason why consoles leave me cold) so I'll be able to stave off Vista and Microsoft assorted other weapons...

... for a while anyway :)


Anyway, to consoles. I don't have any particular devotion to either PCs or consoles (I just find a PC is better for me), and I did briefly flirt with the idea of getting a console before the price turned me off. Not just the price for the actual consoles. I would also have to purchase a decent sized TV, which is an expensive enough proposition, even without this HD malarkey (yes, I am one of those sad hippies without a TV). Then there is the price of the games, which seem to be at least a good ten quid dearer then the PC version.

All in all I thought it made more sense to spend my hard earned cash on building a fairly decent PC for less then an Xbox. Though I still need to get a decent monitor though :(

Though I have to say the only console I think I'd consider is a Wii. Not just price alone, but from where I'm standing it seems to promise interesting, casual, gaming. I can get what the other consoles have just as easily on my PC :)

And sadly, I don't think you'll be smiling a couple of years from now.

As I said, the greatest game 'eva' has already been made ;)

Get a Wii.

PS3 and 360 are both made of phail.

True. Wii pwns all other systems/consoles (less so the PC, or NES, but still Wii is better)

Though I have to say the only console I think I'd consider is a Wii. Not just price alone, but from where I'm standing it seems to promise interesting, casual, gaming. I can get what the other consoles have just as easily on my PC :)

The Wii, though known for it's casual gaming, need not be defined by it, look at Zelda: Twilight Princess, some eighty (I believe) hours of gameplay, and I think that pretty much just covers the major aspects, not all of the sidequests, shooters on the Wii have a unique advantage (and the control schemes are starting to pick up as well), especially now the Wii is supporting much more in terms of online play, plus Mario, and Super Smash Bros, and Mariokart.

And, the one word that will make me indisputably win this thread: Spore.

You need not applaud....

:p

I might get a PS3 just for FFXIII.

Speaking of which... I havn't beaten 12 yet!

A workmate just bought a Wii.
I heard the recent PS3 cannot play PS2 games too (in Australia anyway).

And, the one word that will make me indisputably win this thread: Spore.

You need not applaud....

:p
:confused:
I was under the impression that, as of right now, the only official announcements say that Spore is coming out for the PC and the DS.

Of course, the way things are going, it'll be released right alongside Duke Nukem Forever. :D
... Now I made myself sad. I wantz my Spore

I'm not sure I get what's so great about Spore. I mean, there is absolutely no way it can live up to all this hype.

The Wii, though known for it's casual gaming, need not be defined by it, look at Zelda: Twilight Princess, some eighty (I believe) hours of gameplay, and I think that pretty much just covers the major aspects, not all of the sidequests

I didn't it all in about 46, side-quests included.

I don't trust reviewers and critics...I'd rather judge a game myself

You have no idea how many people I've seen say that, only to come back a few days later with regrets of buying Lair. Then again, every now and then someone actually enjoys it, but those people are relatively rare.

I'm not sure I get what's so great about Spore. I mean, there is absolutely no way it can live up to all this hype.

If you hype enough games hugely, then by the law of averages one'll love up to it. So if we say enough games are that good, one of them will be. Simple logic ;)

:confused:
I was under the impression that, as of right now, the only official announcements say that Spore is coming out for the PC and the DS.

Of course, the way things are going, it'll be released right alongside Duke Nukem Forever. :D
... Now I made myself sad. I wantz my Spore

Umm, no, recently Will Wright was quoted as saying that Spore was coming out for the Wii (perhaps not with the PC release... but he sounded pretty definite). He also hinted strongly that it would not come out for the 360, or PS 3 citing that sure, they had advanced current gaming technology, they were not truly next-gen because graphics aside they are the same thing we have been playing since NES (again, citing differences in graphics, and controller-style), whereas the Wii actually did something new, not just in a shinier package. Spore's release date is in March (the official release date, I guess it got bumped back down)

If you hype enough games hugely, then by the law of averages one'll love up to it. So if we say enough games are that good, one of them will be. Simple logic ;)

Kind of... look at Halo 3 for example, next to Starcraft 2 (which will pwn Halo Wars, by the way) Halo 3 is probably the most highly (well, was now) anticipated game in history, yet I've no outstanding review, good reviews? Sure, outstanding? No. I've heard it is more or less H2 but with better graphics... kind of a let down considering how much H2 sucked by comparison to H1, but what do you do? Non-gamer college students need some hyped violence to pretend that they are actual gamers.

I think that Spore may well live up to my expectations, and if it doesn't, I'm sure it will still be a pretty freakin' good game....

\ Non-gamer college students need some hyped violence to pretend that they are actual gamers.


Non-gaming jocks want to be pretend to be actual gaming nerds? What kind of world have we become :p

But there is truth in that. In the begining of the 90s most folks would frown on your average 'gamer'. Now everybody does seemingly.

Non-gaming jocks want to be pretend to be actual gaming nerds? What kind of world have we become :p

But there is truth in that. In the begining of the 90s most folks would frown on your average 'gamer'. Now everybody does seemingly.

'Gaming' has become a fad. Hence the popularity of the 360 itself, it is based upon the need ot be cool by use of over-graphic violence. Sad, because I remember growing up with games like Super Mario Bros. or Dragon Warrior (the original)... man those games rocked, similarly games made with storylines, and plots, and who don't rely solely upon carnage and graphics win my respect whether or not I can play through them all (ahem Zelda:TP :D)

'Gaming' has become a fad. Hence the popularity of the 360 itself, it is based upon the need ot be cool by use of over-graphic violence. Sad, because I remember growing up with games like Super Mario Bros. or Dragon Warrior (the original)... man those games rocked, similarly games made with storylines, and plots, and who don't rely solely upon carnage and graphics win my respect whether or not I can play through them all (ahem Zelda:TP :D)

Dragon Quest 9 is a DS exclusive, classic Japanese console series moving their main games to handhelds and keeping the console games as spin-offs in an interesting and telling trend.

'Gaming' has become a fad. Hence the popularity of the 360 itself, it is based upon the need ot be cool by use of over-graphic violence. Sad, because I remember growing up with games like Super Mario Bros. or Dragon Warrior (the original)... man those games rocked, similarly games made with storylines, and plots, and who don't rely solely upon carnage and graphics win my respect whether or not I can play through them all (ahem Zelda:TP :D)

How is overly graphic violence anything new?
Rise of the Triad, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Hexen, Duke Nukem 3D...

Umm, no, recently Will Wright was quoted as saying that Spore was coming out for the Wii (perhaps not with the PC release... but he sounded pretty definite). He also hinted strongly that it would not come out for the 360, or PS 3 citing that sure, they had advanced current gaming technology, they were not truly next-gen because graphics aside they are the same thing we have been playing since NES (again, citing differences in graphics, and controller-style), whereas the Wii actually did something new, not just in a shinier package. Spore's release date is in March (the official release date, I guess it got bumped back down)

Will may like the Wii best, but he does not decide which platforms his games will be on. That is up to EA, and EA has confirmed that Spore will be on 360 and PS3. Spore is more than a game, it's a franchise and it's going to appear in a few different forms on every console and hand-held EA figures it'll sell on, and as long as it sells there's going to be sequels.

Will's comments about Wii were pretty hilarious, considering that nothing on Wii is truly new, it has the same games but with waggle instead of stick-pushing, and that not only have Will's own games been mostly the same old, but none of them required anything new or extra than more processing power to be realized.

So is Wii a true gaming revolution with games that could not possibly work on any other platform, and is Will's own games the same games we've been playing since the NES, only shinier? Or is Will Wright full of shit?

niether!

if cost were no object i'd get as bleading edge of a general purpose system i could, and all the authoring software i could to run on it as well, to develop and create my own simulation gaming systems on and with.

of course if it was, as for most of us mere mortals it is, i'd still not waste valuable and limited resources on something i can't be origeonally creative with.

=^^=
.../\...

How is overly graphic violence anything new?
Rise of the Triad, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Hexen, Duke Nukem 3D...

We have blood splatter with more than nine pixels now. Double digits!

So is Wii a true gaming revolution with games that could not possibly work on any other platform, and is Will's own games the same games we've been playing since the NES, only shinier? Or is Will Wright full of shit?

Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3. The games are coming, slowly because third-parties just want money, but they're coming.

Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3. The games are coming, slowly because third-parties just want money, but they're coming.

Extremely simple and gimmicky minigames is the only thing "new" the Wii has had to offer and I don't see that changing, because the wiimote simply isn't an accurate and natural enough input method to be used in any way beyond those minigames. Zack and Wiki is a collection of minigames that they designed a full game around and Metroid Prime 3 is a regular FPS/platformer hybrid with a few somewhat poorly made minigames tacked on.

On Wii, instead of pressing the "A" button you might twist the wiimote in some often arbitrary way. It might be better at times, but it's hardly any more of an improvement than pushing a thumbstick is over pressing a D-pad. And as has been proven by the current Wii lineup, it's often not an improvement at all. It's definitely not a revolution even at the best of times, not now and not ever.

I just read what I had written before going ahead posting it and realized that I probably come off as awfully negative toward the Wii, but I'm really not. You can make great games on any platform, and I'm sure the Wii will get its fair share of them. It has had a slow start, but it's selling too well for developers to ignore it. It just bothers me that so many people see Wii as the second coming that will enable things so awesome and unique that we can't even imagine what they'll be. Or so I assume, because we sure as hell haven't seen any of these unique, not-possible-on-any-other-platform games so far beyond those simple minigames. I don't know where their confidence comes from, but it sure as hell isn't reality.

You can reduce any game to a mini-game collection if you just ignore most of the game :rolleyes:

Note: Zack and Wiki might be like that, I wouldn't know because they're not releasing it here until at least early February.

On Wii, instead of pressing the "A" button you might twist the wiimote in some often arbitrary way. It might be better at times, but it's hardly any more of an improvement than pushing a thumbstick is over pressing a D-pad.

You're right, it's not a revolution, but it's really fun and doesn't feel gimmicky to me when they've done it right. I was more answering the "games can't be done elsewhere" remark rather than "revolutionary". Also the difference between an analog-stick and a D-pad is pretty big, I don't think any single generation shift can or will match 4th to 5th ever again.

Metroid Prime 3 is a regular FPS/platformer hybrid with a few somewhat poorly made minigames tacked on.

First-person Adventure games are very rare, good ones are even rarer. And those "mini-games" are anything but poorly made and tacked on, they always work, they always make sense and they're always quick and simple. Wii Sports Boxing on the other hand...

What the PS has over the Xbox is Blu-Ray. PS3 is the cheapest Blu-Ray player out there - around 1/2 the price of the next cheapest. Of course if you want to get Blu-Ray, you need an HDTV (at least 40" flat screen LCD) + decent home theatre sound system, just to make the differences noticeable.
Main reason why i haven't bought a PS3 yet, even though they're cheaper here than anywhere else in the world (1/2 the price as in NZ). While a 80Gig PS3 + 2 games is only $450US I estimate I'd need to spend another $2200US (at least) on getting a better TV + sound system just to make the Blu-Ray worthwhile.
Soooo...not just yet.

You can reduce any game to a mini-game collection if you just ignore most of the game :rolleyes:

In games there are actions to be be performed, such as walking, pulling a lever or punching your opponent, and these actions are mapped to your input device, such as a gamepad. The role of input devices has for the most part been to transfer your wishes into the game with a minimum amount of fuss (genres such as fighting games are obviously an exception here), but here's where the wiimote is different. Instead of the game being the game, the way you interact with the input device becomes the game, if you follow me. It's not about pulling a stick, or whatever it was, out of a tree in Zack and Wiki, it's about correctly shaking the wiimote. Yes, ideally the wiimote would be so natural to use that it becomes the perfect input device, one that has all the "directness" of a gamepad, but opens up for entirely new ways to control a game, and does it completely seamlessly. But that is not what has happened. The wiimote isn't accurate enough and it isn't natural enough to be used in any other way than these wiimote based minigames, games where the wiimote itself is the game, at least not in ways that are any different from what is possible to do with a regular gamepad.

I understand that you don't see the wiimote as a revolution, but there's plenty of Nintendo fanboys that do, and Will Wright seems to do it as well, and I think that is misguided.

Neither.
N 64.

Ok so I might get a PS3 or Xbox 360. I'm really not sure what to get if I get one.


Buy whichever one has the most games you want to play. It sounds stupid and simple, but in the end it's the only thing that matters.

I hear that most of the good games for ps3 are also available on xbox. But on the whole xbox has better games.

You have no idea how many people I've seen say that, only to come back a few days later with regrets of buying Lair. Then again, every now and then someone actually enjoys it, but those people are relatively rare.

I wouldn't buy it without playing a demo...or I'd rent it...

Poll needs a "Neither. Give the money to charity instead." option.