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Has anyone ever told anyone off for whatever reason? A few nights ago, I was sitting in my room working on some projects. The phone rings, and apparently it's my undergraduate college, the college that my parents paid 2 years for me to go to so that I can be a teacher. The college that wouldn't let me teach because of my speech problems, yea that college. Well ever since I graduated, I've been bothered by the Alumni Association, and usually I get mail from the Alumni Association. Usually that stuff just ends up in the trash, because it's like "Here's the latest going on at...blah blah blah....Oh and please send us more money."

Well the Alumni Association Representative called and this is what happened.

"Hello sir I'm calling from...telling you about the latest..."

"Yea, um, I don't care. I don't care what the latest going on is, and I never will. You want to know why? Because my parents paid 2 years worth of tuition for me to go there to be a teacher, and what happens, I couldn't complete the degree because of something I had no control over. So that's two years worth of money down the drain. I am going to make it very clear to you so that you can understand this, you guys are not getting any more money from us, you wasted two years worth of money on a promise that wasn't fulfilled. You won't be getting anymore money from my family, and you sure as Hell won't be getting any from me. So stop calling here, and stop sending me junk mail!"

"um ok..."

*click*

Ahh I got to say, that just felt great and my mom just laughed. Hell my dad laughed when I told him. So, have you guys ever told anyone off and felt good about it afterwards?

Heh, when I saw the title I totally thought "Hey, Wilgrove has discovered sex!".

Heh, when I saw the title I totally thought "Hey, Wilgrove has discovered sex!".

I had that thread awhile back. ;)

It feels good at the time, but its so rare when you can get away with it without paying for it later.

On an mostly-unrelated note, how the hell do the Alumni Associations keep finding people? I moved apartments about once a year for the first 8 years after I graduated and the longest I've been without a phone call or junk mail from Akron is two months. Those guys should be looking for missing persons instead of bothering me!

I had that thread awhile back. ;)

Hehe.

Hell yeah! Take it to that fucker for circumstances that he didn't know about, didn't have anything to do with, and were totally beyond his control! Way to tell off a guy who did nothing to do you and was doing his job!

:rolleyes:

Hell yeah! Take it to that fucker for circumstances that he didn't know about, didn't have anything to do with, and were totally beyond his control! Way to tell off a guy who did nothing to do you and was doing his job!

:rolleyes:

I'm sure he's used to it, that's why it's ok to yell at Telemarketers for interrupting your dinner, because they're used to it. :D

Can't be the first pissed off Alumni.

Nothing like yelling at people for doing their job.

I'm sure he's used to it, that's why it's ok to yell at Telemarketers for interrupting your dinner, because they're used to it. :D

Can't be the first pissed off Alumni.

no its not OK to yell at telemarketers.

i just say "thank you im not interested" and hang up. there is no sense yelling at people who are just trying to get by by having a telephone job.

no its not OK to yell at telemarketers.

i just say "thank you im not interested" and hang up. there is no sense yelling at people who are just trying to get by by having a telephone job.

Then don't call when most people are at their job, sleeping, or eating.

One could easily godwin the 'just doing his job' comments...

Then don't call when most people are at their job, sleeping, or eating.

So basically, if they're alive, don't call?

If it bothers you so much, turn the ringer off. Or take the phone off the hook. Or don't answer. Or register to the Do Not Call list.

Or, just request that they remove your name from the list.

Or, ya know, be a raging jackass who feels the need to yell at someone for doing their job. Try doing that to any other service job...waiters, bartenders, bank tellers, that kinda thing...and see what happens.

just because it provides a whole 30 seconds of interruption to your meal time does not give you the right to be a prick.

The annoying thing is being polite to telemarketers and have them be rude back to you.

As for alumni associations, I have but two words: student loans.

Try doing that to any other service job...waiters, bartenders, bank tellers, that kinda thing...and see what happens.

I don't because waiters, bartenders, bank tellers, are providing a service to me, and because they actually provide a service, I am compelled to be civil. However, I fail to see what service Telemarketers are providing me, and no telling me how I could save Hundreds if I switch to their credit card/long distance plan/Cell phone plans/ etc. Isn't providing a service because I didn't request the service.

One could easily godwin the 'just doing his job' comments...

I think there has to actually mention Nazi or anything related to Nazism for it to be a Godwin.

It amuses me to yell at people with perfectly good hearing :D

I think there has to actually mention Nazi or anything related to Nazism for it to be a Godwin.

the sound you hear is the point whizzing right over your head...

It amuses me to yell at people with perfectly good hearing :D

If I had one of those little air horns, I would use it. :D

I think I have in fact....ahh telemarketers are fun to mess with. :D

I don't because waiters, bartenders, bank tellers, are providing a service to me, and because they actually provide a service, I am compelled to be civil.

He wasn't doing a service for you, he was doing a service for the school. I find it remarkably telling about your personality that you only feel it necessary to be nice to people when they're doing something for you

the sound you hear is the point whizzing right over your head...

Yes yes, I got the reference, thank you for the demeaning response. :rolleyes:

I don't because waiters, bartenders, bank tellers, are providing a service to me, and because they actually provide a service, I am compelled to be civil. However, I fail to see what service Telemarketers are providing me, and no telling me how I could save Hundreds if I switch to their credit card/long distance plan/Cell phone plans/ etc. Isn't providing a service because I didn't request the service.

"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Sorry, I'm not interested. Please remove me from your lists. Have a good day."

or


"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Don't you know that we're eating right now? Seriously! What do you people always call in the middle of a meal? Do you think it's funny? No, I don't want a new credit card or phone carrier or whatever the fuck you're selling. When the fuck will you people get the hint? I'm not interested!"

The first one takes less time, treats the other person with civility, and solves the problem with that company.
The second one makes YOU the one who is wasting time and creating an interruption, makes you seem like a huge raging asshole, and doesn't fix anything.

Which is more effective?

I snapped talking to a telemarketer one time. He was so persistent, bordering on rude, and I finally just said, "Look, I'm a little busy right now, but if you give me your home phone number I'll call you back up while you're eating dinner and we can talk as long as you want."

Yes yes, I got the reference, thank you for the demeaning response. :rolleyes:

oh, so, it's not nice when I do it to you?

I think there has to actually mention Nazi or anything related to Nazism for it to be a Godwin.

Yes, that's why it's hasn't been godwinned yet. The godwin is what contains the reference, the way I understand it. If someone posted a comparison between posters' comments and the activities of said political party, then it would be a godwin.

no its not OK to yell at telemarketers.

It is if they're repeat offenders.

The annoying thing is being polite to telemarketers and have them be rude back to you.

As for alumni associations, I have but two words: student loans.

Absolutely agree. I'm usually polite because I know it's their job to try and shake money out of me, and it's not a fun job, but when they start pushing or getting familiar I feel no obligation to be courteous. I wouldn't let someone walk into my house and talk to me that way, it's the same on the phone.

oh, so, it's not nice when I do it to you?

The only difference is I didn't wrong you in anyway, but in my case the University did wronged me. While it may have been more effective to talk to the leader of the A.A. but eh, at least I got off their calling list.

I'm sure he's used to it, that's why it's ok to yell at Telemarketers for interrupting your dinner, because they're used to it. :D

Well, it's ok to mass murder Jews, because they're used to it!

Now there's your Godwin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Bus Uncle.

The only difference is I didn't wrong you in anyway, but in my case the University did wronged me.

And the guy who called you was act in this way the university "wronged" you? He had something to do with it?

And the guy who called you was act in this way the university "wronged" you? He had something to do with it?

He works for the University that wronged me.

"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Sorry, I'm not interested. Please remove me from your lists. Have a good day."

or


"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Don't you know that we're eating right now? Seriously! What do you people always call in the middle of a meal? Do you think it's funny? No, I don't want a new credit card or phone carrier or whatever the fuck you're selling. When the fuck will you people get the hint? I'm not interested!"

The first one takes less time, treats the other person with civility, and solves the problem with that company.
The second one makes YOU the one who is wasting time and creating an interruption, makes you seem like a huge raging asshole, and doesn't fix anything.

Which is more effective?

The second one, right?;)

He works for the University that wronged me.

So he personally had nothing to do with it, nor worked for an office that was involved, nor was really involved in any way.

I see, so your answer then is "no, he had nothing to do with it"

The only difference is I didn't wrong you in anyway, but in my case the University did wronged me. While it may have been more effective to talk to the leader of the A.A. but eh, at least I got off their calling list.

And the alumnis had what to do with your university's behavior towards you? If it was such an issue, then talk to the Dean of Students, President, Board of Directors...you know, people who actually have something to do with the operations of the university.

and in fact, if I recall correctly, many schools and other not for profits don't even do their own telephone solicitations. They outsource to professional solicitation agencies. So odds are this guy you bitched at didn't even work for your school, and just worked for a company the school contracted with.

So he personally had nothing to do with it, nor worked for an office that was involved, nor was really involved in any way.

I see, so your answer then is "no, he had nothing to do with it"

I guess so, I guess my outburst was the result of resistment towards the University ever since I felt like I got shafted out of the Teaching program and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and called the wrong number.

It still felt good to have that released though.

Well, it's ok to mass murder Jews, because they're used to it!

Now there's your Godwin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Bus Uncle.

Not the one I had in mind.... but since you've godwin'd the thread, I can now reveal it without being a godwinner myself.

It was 'the soldiers at concentration camps were just doing their jobs too'. Obviously very over-the-top, but it does make the point that 'just doing one's job' is not make one innocent.

I wished the Homeland Security guy that snapped at me for not having a visa when I came to the US last year a very happy day. It felt good, but I doubt it counts as "telling someone off"...

and in fact, if I recall correctly, many schools and other not for profits don't even do their own telephone solicitations. They outsource to professional solicitation agencies. So odds are this guy you bitched at didn't even work for your school, and just worked for a company the school contracted with.

Well this was a private school, I doubt they have the money, but if they can afford radio and TV ads, then who knows.

And the alumnis had what to do with your university's behavior towards you? If it was such an issue, then talk to the Dean of Students, President, Board of Directors...you know, people who actually have something to do with the operations of the university.

They didn't have anything to do with it, I just don't want anymore stuff from them, I don't care what they have to send me, and I don't care to send any more money to them.

I had to activate a debit card, just before we left for our trip to Cedar Point, Which someone actually had to remind me to do. Well, the same person was talking to someone coming with us, and as typical for these two, they where LOUD, and while I was calling up the card company. So I had to shout "PLEASE!", and the lady on the phone thought I was yelling at her. :cool:

Not the one I had in mind.... but since you've godwin'd the thread, I can now reveal it without being a godwinner myself.

It was 'the soldiers at concentration camps were just doing their jobs too'. Obviously very over-the-top, but it does make the point that 'just doing one's job' is not make one innocent.

That too, but some guilt-ridden ex-Wehrmacht is going to claim that the soldiers at the concentration camps only did their jobs under fear of death, and would much rather have been at home watching the World Cup, drinking schnapps, debating grammar and doing whatever else Germans do.

I don't generally tell people off (though I do think about it), but I enjoy watching others say the things I only think.

Although, one person at a baseball game reported my son to security because he was "too loud" (how can you be too loud at a baseball game when your team is winning), and I told him off. Unfortunately, everyone was jeering and mocking at this guy, so he didn't hear me. He crept away, humiliated, when no one was looking.

Well, it's ok to mass murder Jews, because they're used to it!

Now there's your Godwin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Bus Uncle.

It's okay to mass murder jews if you're just doing your job.

Anyway, the best thing with telemarketers is to tell them "just hold on a minute," and then set down the phone and go do something else for an hour.

It is if they're repeat offenders.

no really its not.

unless they call you back immediately after you hang up on them.

Has anyone ever told anyone off for whatever reason? A few nights ago, I was sitting in my room working on some projects. The phone rings, and apparently it's my undergraduate college, the college that my parents paid 2 years for me to go to so that I can be a teacher. The college that wouldn't let me teach because of my speech problems, yea that college. Well ever since I graduated, I've been bothered by the Alumni Association, and usually I get mail from the Alumni Association. Usually that stuff just ends up in the trash, because it's like "Here's the latest going on at...blah blah blah....Oh and please send us more money."

Well the Alumni Association Representative called and this is what happened.

"Hello sir I'm calling from...telling you about the latest..."

"Yea, um, I don't care. I don't care what the latest going on is, and I never will. You want to know why? Because my parents paid 2 years worth of tuition for me to go there to be a teacher, and what happens, I couldn't complete the degree because of something I had no control over. So that's two years worth of money down the drain. I am going to make it very clear to you so that you can understand this, you guys are not getting any more money from us, you wasted two years worth of money on a promise that wasn't fulfilled. You won't be getting anymore money from my family, and you sure as Hell won't be getting any from me. So stop calling here, and stop sending me junk mail!"

"um ok..."

*click*

Ahh I got to say, that just felt great and my mom just laughed. Hell my dad laughed when I told him. So, have you guys ever told anyone off and felt good about it afterwards?

Hmm - I'll disregard the speeh impediment since you've given no details of it (though it did not seem to interfere with your phone-rant)

Regardless - just by looking at your whole attitude I can honestly say that I am glad you are not in any classroom where my, or anyone elses, kids are.

Please, tell me what college I should be sending money too for their brilliant foresight...

If I had one of those little air horns, I would use it. :D

I think I have in fact....ahh telemarketers are fun to mess with. :D

All kinds of people are fun to mess with -- unless the person being treated like crap happens to be oneself, no?

I seem to remember lots of different philosophers and religious figures all letting it boil down to, "Treat others as you'd wish to be treated."

I once got a call from a Fred Thompson campaign worker.

"Hello?"
"Yes, I'm from Fred Thompson. Is there anyone in your house I can talk to?"
"No, they're all busy right now."
"Oh, well, I'll call back later."
"But wait, you shouldn't! Because we like Ron Paul!"
*silence*
*click*

Hahahaha!! I love to fool with campaign workers.

"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Sorry, I'm not interested. Please remove me from your lists. Have a good day."

or


"Hi Mr. Wilgrove. I am authorized to offer you..."
"Don't you know that we're eating right now? Seriously! What do you people always call in the middle of a meal? Do you think it's funny? No, I don't want a new credit card or phone carrier or whatever the fuck you're selling. When the fuck will you people get the hint? I'm not interested!"

The first one takes less time, treats the other person with civility, and solves the problem with that company.
The second one makes YOU the one who is wasting time and creating an interruption, makes you seem like a huge raging asshole, and doesn't fix anything.

Which is more effective?

I know someone who had a crappy telemarketing job. Being an ass was a prime way to end up on LOTS of call lists.

I wished the Homeland Security guy that snapped at me for not having a visa when I came to the US last year a very happy day. It felt good, but I doubt it counts as "telling someone off"...

I SLAPPED the airport security person who grabbed my breasts without telling me she was going to do so (allegedly this was some new part of the check that they had just instituted at the time which has since been removed, but still, do not grab me without saying a word). After some extremely heated words, and the security woman thinking she was going to have me arrested and hauled away, she was mortified when her boss insist she apologize to me for assaulting me (I was saying that I wanted to press charges and name her and the boss in the news accounts that were certain to follow). After she apologized (and was fuming) I said "Thank you. Don't do it again." smiled at her and went to get on my plane.

I hate Alumni Associations. I throw their "I'm begging for money" letters in the trash. I don't get calls because I'm on the state and national "Do not call list." I also have caller ID so I don't have to answer those calls.

I know someone who had a crappy telemarketing job. Being an ass was a prime way to end up on LOTS of call lists.

And registering your home phone number here https://www.donotcall.gov/ will stop those calls.

And registering your home phone number here https://www.donotcall.gov/ will stop those calls.

I only wish. I still get calls from political parties, charities, and my kids school - which is the worse because they use a recorded mesage and call about twice a week with stupid meaningless messages.

I also get calls at work on occasion from a recorded message trying to collect a debt from people who had the number before me. THAT has got to be made illegal. I don't have the time to find out who is calling, call them and demand they stop - and the one time I tried they still kept calling...

Working, as briefly as it was, in over-the-phone tech support, I really do sympathize with telephone solicitors. The kind of shit I got from people over the phone was incredible, and I was trying to help them.

Ahh.. But revenge is sweet. There's nothing quite like the feeling of letting someone be a dick to you for twenty minutes and then referring them to Microsoft.. without telling them that the MS agents charge 60 dollars for every call they take.

Yeah. We had lots of problems after moving to a new house with not only the internet connection, but also the phone and electricity bills, and so for weeks we had to deal with long sessions of talking to call centres in India and Europe.

It was hellish, to put it mildly. I was completely and totally polite to the operators throughout, though. It's not thier faults thier company is trying to pull this kind of crap on my family.

My Mom though was a different story. After deciding I wasn't having any success, she picked up the phone and basically talked tough. No swearing or anything uncouth, just er... Forceful. Admittedly she did succeed, after several hours on the phone, trying to get routed here and there.

Anyway, I totally sympathize with you Wilgrove, but you probably shouldn't have been too rough on the guy, regardless. You ought to have got the phone number of the Alumni Head Honcho and said what you did. That would have been much more appropriate.

Hell yeah! Take it to that fucker for circumstances that he didn't know about, didn't have anything to do with, and were totally beyond his control! Way to tell off a guy who did nothing to do you and was doing his job!

:rolleyes:
Yup, gotta agree with you there.

I think someone here owes someone there an apology.

I know someone who had a crappy telemarketing job. Being an ass was a prime way to end up on LOTS of call lists.

I had one guy call who told me he was paid based on how long he kept someone on the line. I told him I was going out for about an hour, and that I would be happy to leave the phone off the hook while I was out in exchange for removing my name from the list. He seemed to like that.

My favorite hobby is to pick up when a telemarketer calls and well, the conversation goes like this usually:

"Hello, is (insert name here) avilable?"

"Your speaking with him" OR "No, but I have a question." Usually the latter.

"Ah, well, I am trying to sell you..." OR "I can call back at another time..."

"Whow, whoow, whoo, just, just stop right there man (woman), there's something I feel you need to be asked."

"What?"

"Just, just, how are you today? I mean, personally, how do you feel, what's you outlook on today, what color do you view the world today?"

*silence* or "uuh" or rarely an actual response to one of those questions.

"So, so, how are the kids, do you have kids, how's your wife (husband), you married, if not, what clubs have you been to lately, were the bouncers nice? Did they play good music?"

usually silence at this point, but sometimes not

"Well, I hope you feel better now that you've talked to someone, I mean really, you need to get things out in words, it makes you feel better on the inside. It's ok to cry sometimes, really it is. Now I hope you start having a better day now, but I have to go, it's not because you're not great, you are, you really are, but I have dishes to do. But, ya know, if you start to feelin' down again, call me back and we can talk it out, OK. Bye now."

*click*

Hmm - I'll disregard the speeh impediment since you've given no details of it (though it did not seem to interfere with your phone-rant)

Regardless - just by looking at your whole attitude I can honestly say that I am glad you are not in any classroom where my, or anyone elses, kids are.

Please, tell me what college I should be sending money too for their brilliant foresight...

Wow...that was horribly mean of you. (But not surprising.)

Also, I think everyone needs to chill. Was Wilgrove out of line? Sure. But it was also understandable. You try paying for college for two years of education for teaching and then be rejected for something you've got no control over that's been affecting your entire life and see how YOU react when someone from that college calls you on the phone. I doubt I could have held my temper, and I know that'd be true of a lot of the rest of you as well.

Now, Wilgrove DOES owe this person an apology. But it was understandable, and it did help him feel better about the whole situation. So long as he sincerely apologizes, I think it would be smoothed over nice and fine and everyone'll be happy. Besides, while the telling off WAS bad, it doesn't even come close to what Wilgrove had to face.

We're on the don't call list. Supposedly this is a deterrent, actually, it isn't. Apparently, it doesn't apply to so-called charities and vendors that you've used before.

First of all, if a charity calls me begging, I become disinclined to donate. I prefer to seek out my charities and research the work they do. I tell said begging caller this and hang up.

Second of all, just because I've bought something from you previously, doesn't mean I will again, and if I do, it won't be because of a begging call.

I usually try to be polite, but after (once) seven calls from the same vendor on the same day, I got a bit testy. What part of no don't they understand?

Has anyone ever told anyone off for whatever reason?
Living and working with other human being sure leads to situation when I need to tell them they did something wrong, and so I do that, from time to time. However, I only use insulting language/tone when joking; if I seriously feel someone needs reprimanding, I make very sure I'm using a neutral language and style.
So, have you guys ever told anyone off and felt good about it afterwards?

Not that I can remember, and I'd feel very ashamed if I did. I've been on the receiving end from someone who derives endless joy from insulting, humiliating and just generally blaming, and yelling at, other people, and it has effectively saved me from such behavior myself for good.

What I derive most satisfaction from is when I can see that my making someone aware of their mistakes has led to them correcting them in time and everyone being the happier for it, and I also can't help feeling good when I keep my calm with someone who's about to explode and become an insulting ass, and then have them realize that they have been such an ass. It's a little vice, that superior feeling of smugness when you walk away smiling from someone you've just wished a nice day after they insulted and/or mistreated you, but it's the much lesser evil from so many others I could have in such situations, I guess.

I only wish. I still get calls from political parties, charities, and my kids school - which is the worse because they use a recorded mesage and call about twice a week with stupid meaningless messages.

I also get calls at work on occasion from a recorded message trying to collect a debt from people who had the number before me. THAT has got to be made illegal. I don't have the time to find out who is calling, call them and demand they stop - and the one time I tried they still kept calling...

my sister got calls from a collection company twice a day for about a year (she uses an answering machine to screen calls to it took a while to realize what was going on) asking for a person whose last name was the same as her first name. this company will call EVERYONE in the area with a name that is in any way similar to someone on their list. because they had business with this guy they werent violating the do not call rules. (at least that was their theory).

most of the calls were automated and she never answered them anyway. at least not after patiently explaining that this guy didnt live there, had never lived there and she knew nothing about him. it didnt stop the calls.

i was there the day she lost it and reamed out the poor live caller who had the misery of having to call her that day. they never called back.

My favorite hobby is to pick up when a telemarketer calls and well, the conversation goes like this usually:

"Hello, is (insert name here) avilable?"

"Your speaking with him" OR "No, but I have a question." Usually the latter.

"Ah, well, I am trying to sell you..." OR "I can call back at another time..."

"Whow, whoow, whoo, just, just stop right there man (woman), there's something I feel you need to be asked."

"What?"

"Just, just, how are you today? I mean, personally, how do you feel, what's you outlook on today, what color do you view the world today?"

*silence* or "uuh" or rarely an actual response to one of those questions.

"So, so, how are the kids, do you have kids, how's your wife (husband), you married, if not, what clubs have you been to lately, were the bouncers nice? Did they play good music?"

usually silence at this point, but sometimes not

"Well, I hope you feel better now that you've talked to someone, I mean really, you need to get things out in words, it makes you feel better on the inside. It's ok to cry sometimes, really it is. Now I hope you start having a better day now, but I have to go, it's not because you're not great, you are, you really are, but I have dishes to do. But, ya know, if you start to feelin' down again, call me back and we can talk it out, OK. Bye now."

*click*

I like your style. :D

That too, but some guilt-ridden ex-Wehrmacht is going to claim that the soldiers at the concentration camps only did their jobs under fear of death, and would much rather have been at home watching the World Cup, drinking schnapps, debating grammar and doing whatever else Germans do.

I see what you did there.

All you guys saying all these polite things to telemarketers. I just hang up the second I realize it. While they don't deserve me yelling at them they also don't deserve my respect and haven't earned it yet.

The phone rings, and apparently it's my undergraduate college, the college that my parents paid 2 years for me to go to so that I can be a teacher. The college that wouldn't let me teach because of my speech problems, yea that college.

Actually, I have some questions, and please don't take them as anything other the neutral, inquisitive questions that I intend.

1) Is it the COLLEGE that will not let you teach, or might it be that did you not meet the qualifications for the state in which you intended to teach that led to your refusal?

2) If it is the COLLEGE and not the state that refused to give you certification: Was your degree provisional, in that the college told you ahead of time that you needed to go for speech therapy and needed to make x improvement before being qualified? Remember, the students need to hear you clearly -- especially those who may have hearing impairment. If they cannot hear you, those with hearing impairment may have to depend on lip-reading -- would they be able to do so?

3) What were your grades like?


This last one, again, is not meant to be hurtful but: kids can be phenomenal assholes. The school or state may have believed that you did not have good enough classroom management skills, or that at the end of the day, that your impairment would get in the way of your job so profoundly that neither you nor the students would have been well-served.

I would, if you feel strongly about this and believe there is NO REASON to have been rejected, inquire about whether this falls under discrimination under the Americans with Disabilities act. I know a few teachers in my school with various disabilities, including near total blindness, who do in fact teach and teach well.

Day1 - W enters teaching course and says "Hello, I'm W". I would have thought that any speech related doubts, issues or ideas would have started kicking in around then, rather than two years of money down the line. Thus is my curiosity piqued.

Telling of people is very fun when they deserve it :D

A few months ago I had some issues with US Bank. Well, until I left them I always had issues, they're just one of those banks that for many reasons I'd advise staying the hell away from because they will not pass up any chance to harass you, steal your money, and if they can find a way to do both you can rest assured they most certainly will.
Anyway, one time I payed my credit card payment a few days late because for whatever reason the bank thought it needed to charge me $300 in overdraft fees when I clearly didn't overdraft and I had to wait for that money to go back into my account before I could pay any bills and they called me while I was on my way home from the bank to demand to know why I didn't make my payment. The first time I told them I did. The second time I told them I did.
Finally, they called me for a third and I just said "Look, I don't know what kind of freaking idiots you have working over there, but two people before you have called me asking me to make a payment that had US Bank been a legitimate business then by all logical means it should be easy for you to see that I made. I suggest before calling again you learn how to be competent in something besides being a dumbass and wait a very long time because calling this much is harassment and is causing me extreme amounts of stress and if I hear from US Bank so much as one more time today you will soon learn that it is by far in your best financial interest to just accept that I made a payment today and that I will not be making any more payments until my next payment is due. However, you could make future payments easier for me to make on time by telling the bank to stop pretending it needs to charge me $300 in overdraft fees when I clearly did not overdraft my account. May you kindly fuck off and have a nice day." and I hung up on her before she could say anything else. A few days after that I closed my checking account because "I'm sick of the bank stealing my money and then harassing me for it" and moved to a different bank because this was just one in a long line of many similar events I've had with them.
Mistakes occur and had all this been one time thing I could've looked past it, but stuff like that was just too common, almost to the point to where I could say "Well, it's been three months, 'bout that time for US Bank to do something stupid again." and sure enough just like clockwork here come the wrongful overdraft fees again. And I know I don't have money management issues, because I never had any problems before going to US Bank and have not had any problems since I left them.

I snapped talking to a telemarketer one time. He was so persistent, bordering on rude, and I finally just said, "Look, I'm a little busy right now, but if you give me your home phone number I'll call you back up while you're eating dinner and we can talk as long as you want."

ROFL

That'll teach them. Hopefully.

Or better yet, get their home phone number from them (if they're willing to give it to you) and then call them at 3AM their time every night for 2 weeks.

Anyway, the best thing with telemarketers is to tell them "just hold on a minute," and then set down the phone and go do something else for an hour.

That's very good, but I think it would be better if you pretended to be doing household chores and said, "Just one moment, I have to get the clothes out of the dryer/take the roast out of the oven/load the dishwasher/(some other household task)", and then go back to the phone two or three minutes later and make sure they're still there, and say "Now hold on, don't go away/don't hang up on me, I'll be right back with you", y'know, give them the imprerssion that any moment you're fixing to let them give you their spiel, and repeat the cycle until you've wasted about, say, two hours of the telemarketer's time.

Unless they mention right off the bat that they're paid according to how long they keep you on the phone, in which case hang up immediately.

I like your style. :D

2nded.

I occasionally get phone calls from these "telemarketers" you speak of. But they do not give me any trouble, because I, as some of you humans say it, "nip it in the bud". That is, I stop the problem before it starts. Instead of saying "Hello", as you humans do, when I answer the phone I say "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" Then these "telemarketers" usually hang up immediately.

Wilgrove is the only one who will fully understand this. I was playing EVE, and I got my ship blown up by a pirate. In EVE, if your ship is destroyed, your escape pod is left behind. If that blows up, your clone activates, but you lose any implants you have.

So the guy then used a warp scrambler on me, preventing me from escaping. He opened a conversation, and tried to ransom my pod for 50 million ISK. For me, this was a lot of money. More importantly, it was worth more than my ship, let alone my pod (which had no implants).

I responded "Screw you!" and he responded by blowing me out of the ether. I still felt good about it.

I haven't had to deal with telemarketers, but I have an idea: Say "Je ne parle pas anglais." (I don't speak English). If they start speaking French (unlikely, but I just might get a bilingual telemarketer), I will put on a redneck accent and say "I don't speak French, whoever you are!" If they return to speaking English, switch back to French. Continue ad nauseum.

My other idea is specifically for phone companies. Here is how it works:
Telemarketer: Hi, would you like to save a lot of money on your long-distance phone calls by switching to Blah?
Me: What's your rate?
Telemarketer: 10 cents a minute.
Me: My provider offers 9 cents a minute.
Telemarketer: We have no roaming charges.
Me: Same here.
Telemarketer: We also offer internet at $30 a month.
Me: My provider gets me internet at $29 a month.
...
Telemarketer: Who is your provider?
Me: We Charge Slightly Less Than Blah.

I haven't had to deal with telemarketers, but I have an idea: Say "Je ne parle pas anglais." (I don't speak English). If they start speaking French (unlikely, but I just might get a bilingual telemarketer), I will put on a redneck accent and say "I don't speak French, whoever you are!" If they return to speaking English, switch back to French. Continue ad nauseum.
My current method is oh so much better.

"Hello, I'm 'James' (actually something from India, but regardless), is that Mr. *surname*"
"No."
"Are you a family friend of his, to take a message?"
"Actually, I'm currently robbing his house"
"Really?"
"Yes. Bye."

I know someone who had a crappy telemarketing job. Being an ass was a prime way to end up on LOTS of call lists.

Wait a seckond, are you saying ckompanies put him/her ON their ckall lists BECKAUSE s/he ckept it no seckret from telemarcketers that they annoyed him/her? As if to PO him/her even further?

That doesn't macke sense. Imagine: "This guy/girl ckussed out a telemarcketer at such-and-such ckompany last weeck, so let's macke it a point to ckall him/her. That'll teach him/her to have respeckt for us telemarcketers."

Or did I misunderstand you? :confused:

I haven't had to deal with telemarketers, but I have an idea: Say "Je ne parle pas anglais." (I don't speak English). If they start speaking French (unlikely, but I just might get a bilingual telemarketer), I will put on a redneck accent and say "I don't speak French, whoever you are!" If they return to speaking English, switch back to French. Continue ad nauseum.

That sounds like a great idea, but French is a major language in the 21st century, and there's a chance they might acktually know that one. If I were to try that, I would use a somewhat less widely spoken language, such as Irish Gaelick, or maybe Africkaans.

My other idea is specifically for phone companies. Here is how it works:
Telemarketer: Hi, would you like to save a lot of money on your long-distance phone calls by switching to Blah?
Me: What's your rate?
Telemarketer: 10 cents a minute.
Me: My provider offers 9 cents a minute.
Telemarketer: We have no roaming charges.
Me: Same here.
Telemarketer: We also offer internet at $30 a month.
Me: My provider gets me internet at $29 a month.
...
Telemarketer: Who is your provider?
Me: We Charge Slightly Less Than Blah.

I'm thincking of switching to Blah. It sounds like a low-ckost service provider. :p

Actually, I have some questions, and please don't take them as anything other the neutral, inquisitive questions that I intend.

1) Is it the COLLEGE that will not let you teach, or might it be that did you not meet the qualifications for the state in which you intended to teach that led to your refusal?

It was the college, apparently the Education Department has their own board in which they look at every application.


2) If it is the COLLEGE and not the state that refused to give you certification: Was your degree provisional, in that the college told you ahead of time that you needed to go for speech therapy and needed to make x improvement before being qualified?

The problem really didn't happen till Dec. of 2005 when I had my last jaw surgery. The surgery dramatically moved my jaw (to it's correct position where the Mandible is 99% lined up with the Maxilla. Of course this does require me to go to Speech Therapy because now that my Mandible is in the right place, I had to learn how to talk all over again, which didn't happen till Summer due to my jaw needing to rest and heal for about 3 months and then the red tape. By Summer it was too late but, I did Therapy anyways so this wouldn't happen again.

I do have slip ups where I have to repeat myself, but I am 99% there in my speech and I'm happy with that.


Remember, the students need to hear you clearly -- especially those who may have hearing impairment. If they cannot hear you, those with hearing impairment may have to depend on lip-reading -- would they be able to do so?

One of the requirements in the Education Department was to teach one class during Observation. I taught the beginning of Reconstruction after the Civil War. I used both white board and overhead and I told the class ahead of time that if they needed me to repeat anything just tell me. To the best of my knowledge I spoke slowly, loudly and clearly.

3) What were your grades like?

3.5 GPA


I would, if you feel strongly about this and believe there is NO REASON to have been rejected, inquire about whether this falls under discrimination under the Americans with Disabilities act. I know a few teachers in my school with various disabilities, including near total blindness, who do in fact teach and teach well.

Yea, but I'm just going to drop it. I'm studying medicine now and I am finding it amazing. I did some Occupational Therapy work over the Summer and in the Fall, and the patients could understand me and I was in a Rehabilitation Center that has 10 beds so I could work with each patient one at a time, which I think is a better set up for me, that way I don't get overwhelmed, and I actually got to help people like myself, which is cool.

Yea, but I'm just going to drop it. I'm studying medicine now and I am finding it amazing. I did some Occupational Therapy work over the Summer and in the Fall, and the patients could understand me and I was in a Rehabilitation Center that has 10 beds so I could work with each patient one at a time, which I think is a better set up for me, that way I don't get overwhelmed, and I actually got to help people like myself, which is cool.

Well, I'm glad that at least you found something you love. Best of luck with it!

Wait a seckond, are you saying ckompanies put him/her ON their ckall lists BECKAUSE s/he ckept it no seckret from telemarcketers that they annoyed him/her? As if to PO him/her even further?

That doesn't macke sense. Imagine: "This guy/girl ckussed out a telemarcketer at such-and-such ckompany last weeck, so let's macke it a point to ckall him/her. That'll teach him/her to have respeckt for us telemarcketers."

Or did I misunderstand you? :confused:

No, you understood me. When they got a particularly abusive customer, they made sure to call several times and to put the customer on a list of names to sell to other companies.

This is why I generally say, "No thank you, have a good evening," and hang up. ;) Well, that, and it's a polite, expedient way to get back to whatever.

No, you understood me. When they got a particularly abusive customer, they made sure to call several times and to put the customer on a list of names to sell to other companies.

This is why I generally say, "No thank you, have a good evening," and hang up. ;) Well, that, and it's a polite, expedient way to get back to whatever.

Why in the (about five or six expletives deleted) would they do something as asinine and ckounterproducktive as THAT? :headbang:

Revenge, maybe? As if it's their way of saying "We'll show YOU a thing or two! NOBODY talcks to us telemarcketers like THAT"?

Of ckourse, I wait until they get hateful before I do, but giving someone's name and number to other telemarcketers as retribution? It's like they thinck we LIKE being ckalled by telemarcketers when we thinck we've made it VERY cklear that we DON'T!

I would thinck they would know better than to even thinck of doing that, but I guess you have to spell that out for them.

Why in the (about five or six expletives deleted) would they do something as asinine and ckounterproducktive as THAT? :headbang:

Revenge, maybe? As if it's their way of saying "We'll show YOU a thing or two! NOBODY talcks to us telemarcketers like THAT"?

Of ckourse, I wait until they get hateful before I do, but giving someone's name and number to other telemarcketers as retribution? It's like they thinck we LIKE being ckalled by telemarcketers when we thinck we've made it VERY cklear that we DON'T!

I would thinck they would know better than to even thinck of doing that, but I guess you have to spell that out for them.

It's called, "I'm getting paid minimum wage and the only way I can get back at people who are unnecessarily assholish is to make sure they are annoyed by even more calls. What are they gonna do, get me fired?"

I don't agree with it but I can see the attraction. Especially since ANOTHER telemarketing job is just a flier and a phone call away.

I once told a telemarketer that I (I mean myself) was dead to avoid getting calls from that company again.

Has anyone ever told anyone off for whatever reason? A few nights ago, I was sitting in my room working on some projects. The phone rings, and apparently it's my undergraduate college, the college that my parents paid 2 years for me to go to so that I can be a teacher. The college that wouldn't let me teach because of my speech problems, yea that college. Well ever since I graduated, I've been bothered by the Alumni Association, and usually I get mail from the Alumni Association. Usually that stuff just ends up in the trash, because it's like "Here's the latest going on at...blah blah blah....Oh and please send us more money."

Well the Alumni Association Representative called and this is what happened.

"Hello sir I'm calling from...telling you about the latest..."

"Yea, um, I don't care. I don't care what the latest going on is, and I never will. You want to know why? Because my parents paid 2 years worth of tuition for me to go there to be a teacher, and what happens, I couldn't complete the degree because of something I had no control over. So that's two years worth of money down the drain. I am going to make it very clear to you so that you can understand this, you guys are not getting any more money from us, you wasted two years worth of money on a promise that wasn't fulfilled. You won't be getting anymore money from my family, and you sure as Hell won't be getting any from me. So stop calling here, and stop sending me junk mail!"

"um ok..."

*click*

Ahh I got to say, that just felt great and my mom just laughed. Hell my dad laughed when I told him. So, have you guys ever told anyone off and felt good about it afterwards?

Awww *gives Wilgrove a big hug*

Me? I was bombarded with '$2500 pre approved!', '$2,500 waiting for you!' - so in the end I rang up the company and was a smart ass. I asked where i could pick up this $2,500, then put on that I was disappointed, I thought they were going to give me $2,500 no questions asked. Then I put on an angry voice putting on I was disappointed that was mislead.

Then I summed up the call saying, "if I want finance, I'll approach YOU"

Why in the (about five or six expletives deleted) would they do something as asinine and ckounterproducktive as THAT? :headbang:

Revenge, maybe? As if it's their way of saying "We'll show YOU a thing or two! NOBODY talcks to us telemarcketers like THAT"?

Of ckourse, I wait until they get hateful before I do, but giving someone's name and number to other telemarcketers as retribution? It's like they thinck we LIKE being ckalled by telemarcketers when we thinck we've made it VERY cklear that we DON'T!

I would thinck they would know better than to even thinck of doing that, but I guess you have to spell that out for them.
It's called being vengeful. It's no different than a waiter spitting in your food or a bartender giving you half the usual amount of alcohol in your drink or spilling half and charging you full, or a cashier taking a very long time when you are clearly in a hurry, or a tech support person taking you through steps they know are irrelevant.

While I don't agree, I definatly have had that temptation. Every person deserves to be treated decently...their job is to call people and solicit them...there is no reason for them to be treated as subhuman. Do it, and expect consequences.

You deserve medal of honor and an awesome sports car for that, Wilgrove. :D