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Why do you want out?

I have seen this done before. But never have I been part of this interweb magic. TIMEWARP.

It's more of a question really, how does your country deal with immigration? This is not about your views on immigration, but how your countries policy on it is. I am curious as I do want out of the USA sometime by 2009.

Why do you want out?

I have seen this done before. But never have I been part of this interweb magic. TIMEWARP.


I could explain why I hate this nation but that would take to long. We can't get anything right anymore, at this rate we will fall within my lifetime. I just want out. But thats not the point of this thread.

Uhm, wouldn't telling you entail the possible encouragement of a USA person's migration to where we live? You can see why we might be reticent... :p

My country’s immigration policy is far superior to the U.S.A’s policy, if only because my country is the U.S.A and therefore automatically better than anything, including itself.

My nations immigration laws are REALLY tight, tight to the point where there are military outposts everywhere on the border and deadly force is always authorised. And all non South Lizasaurian people (excluding close allies and nations annexed or those on diplomatic missions) are excluded by force. Due to south Lizasauria's history with foreign imperialism and after what happened to them after the First Grecian war they never trusted all outsiders fully ever again. Luckily they were able to retake all their land from the imperialists. Then they became imperialists themselves and attacked them back as well as other nations.

In all honestly in Australia our last government had a worse stance on immigration than the US. Howard's anti-Asian racism was well known from his earlier career, and his famous Tampa 'we will decide who comes to this country' really put a nail in the coffin of immigrant rights. Throwing asylum seekers in privatized prisons, even throwing Australian citizens in prisons because they didn't look white enough, the Howard government did it all, even setting up corporate run concentration camps on pacific islands to 'process' them offshore.

The racism of the Liberal party in my country is horrible indeed, and even worse that it convinced alot of people (white trash) in my country to vote for him says worse about us than Howard. This is from the same party that gave you 'The evil socialist labor party is going to demolish your house to build mosques and pardon the Bali bombers' in the election campaign. Not to mention the Australian citizen who got locked up for 5 years in a detention center, where he was stabbed and beaten, and had to threaten suicide to be released, and had his son deported to Korea, all for the crime of being an Australian citizen.

No, my country has the worst record on immigration, I sincerely hope Rudd can clear up the vile stain of racism in the department left by the Liberals.

Uhm, wouldn't telling you entail the possible encouragement of a USA person's migration to where we live? You can see why we might be reticent... :p


If people like you live in X country I doubt many americans would want to go there. Nobody has a right to say you can't come here because you are from X nation..That is bigoted, something I detest.

it's surprisingly the same. then again, I do live in the United States.

In all honestly in Australia our last government had a worse stance on immigration than the US. Howard's anti-Asian racism was well known from his earlier career, and his famous Tampa 'we will decide who comes to this country' really put a nail in the coffin of immigrant rights. Throwing asylum seekers in privatized prisons, even throwing Australian citizens in prisons because they didn't look white enough, the Howard government did it all, even setting up corporate run concentration camps on pacific islands to 'process' them offshore.

The racism of the Liberal party in my country is horrible indeed, and even worse that it convinced alot of people (white trash) in my country to vote for him says worse about us than Howard. This is from the same party that gave you 'The evil socialist labor party is going to demolish your house to build mosques and pardon the Bali bombers' in the election campaign. Not to mention the Australian citizen who got locked up for 5 years in a detention center, where he was stabbed and beaten, and had to threaten suicide to be released, and had his son deported to Korea, all for the crime of being an Australian citizen.

No, my country has the worst record on immigration, I sincerely hope Rudd can clear up the vile stain of racism in the department left by the Liberals.


That is going way too far IMO. Being tough on illegal immigration is one thing, being a racist dick is another. But I did get a chuckle of it being done by a Liberal...Seems he is no Liberal but a POS.

If people like you live in X country I doubt many americans would want to go there.

We've many Americans here. They come from Canada, Brazil, Chile... but we were talking about people from the USA.

Nobody has a right to say you can't come here because you are from X nation..

So, I guess the USA doesn't have freedom of speech.

That is bigoted, something I detest.

I can see why you don't like the USA then, but that still doesn't explain your inability to grasp the concept of a "joke".

We've many Americans here. They come from Canada, Brazil, Chile... but we were talking about people from the USA.
Except we call those: Canadians, Nuts, and Good Chip-Dip.


So, I guess the USA doesn't have freedom of speech.
What made you think of that?


I can see why you don't like the USA then, but that still doesn't explain your inability to grasp the concept of a "joke".
He thinks I am a bigot because I detest the scent of pumpkins.

It's more of a question really, how does your country deal with immigration? This is not about your views on immigration, but how your countries policy on it is. I am curious as I do want out of the USA sometime by 2009.

??? you want out of what might be the start of a Democratic President's Term? :confused:

or is this your play on all those 'Hollywood Superstars' that said "If George Bush is elected, I'm leaving the country" yet are still here... after TWO elections worth of such announcements...

??? you want out of what might be the start of a Democratic President's Term? :confused:

or is this your play on all those 'Hollywood Superstars' that said "If George Bush is elected, I'm leaving the country" yet are still here... after TWO elections worth of such announcements...

I tell ya, if a Republican is elected in 2028, I'm outta here.

Except we call those: Canadians, Nuts, and Good Chip-Dip.

Crisps, darling, crisps. English, would you be so kind as to answer my question whether or not you acquiesce to speak it, you engager of coitus with female parents?

What made you think of that?

The claim that no one had a right to say something.

He thinks I am a bigot because I detest the scent of pumpkins.

I wasn't aware they had a scent.

??? you want out of what might be the start of a Democratic President's Term? :confused:

or is this your play on all those 'Hollywood Superstars' that said "If George Bush is elected, I'm leaving the country" yet are still here... after TWO elections worth of such announcements...


What makes you think a Democrat will win? Either could win and I want out no matter who wins, both parties suck. Could you please answer me now that you know I hate both parties.

Canada has one of the highest immigration rates per capita in the world. Immigrant selection policy is to favor uniting families, then refugees, then skilled workers. Quebec is allowed to choose who immigrates to Quebec, in order for them to preserve Frenchness. Otherwise, the immigrant is free to choose where they end up. Most provinces are being told to make themselves more attractive to immigrants as about 60% choose Ontario, 20% choose British Columbia, and about 13% Quebec. The last party to suggest lowering immigration was the Reform Party of Canada. This move earned them the label of racist nutjobs, and they then merged with what is now the Conservative Party of Canada.

What makes you think a Democrat will win? Either could win and I want out no matter who wins, both parties suck. Could you please answer me now that you know I hate both parties.

*Gazes into crystal ball*
*straightens up due to bad back*
somethings wrong. I see Nader winning the 2008 elections... :p

why wait till 2009 then? :confused:;)

In Capitalsim, anyone can come in at any time, there are no quotas, etc. The only problem is there are REALLY strict regulations you have to meet and a several page form you have to fill out. And you have to get a job within 2 months, or you're deported (unless you are fleeing from a communist/fascist state).

UK. Who knows? According to the untrustworthy government, it's controlled. According to the equally untrustworthy oppoition, and the even more untrustworthy tabloids, it's out of control.

Meh.

After looking at the US's immigration policy I now fully understand why people just jump the fucking fence. We really need to scrape the engraving off the Statue of Liberty.

Crisps, darling, crisps. English, would you be so kind as to answer my question whether or not you acquiesce to speak it, you engager of coitus with female parents?


For someone who hates English, you sure spend a lot of time masturbating with it...

English, would you be so kind as to answer my question whether or not you acquiesce to speak it, you engager of coitus with female parents?

I'm stealing this phrase.

I'm stealing this phrase.

Hey, I was going to do that. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen!

Hey, I was going to do that. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen!

It was mine first!

In my native nation of Cuba immigration policy is reversed immigration, an immigration treaty with the USA for a minimum of 20,000 visas a year to the USA which the USA and Cuba blame each other for not meeting the goal.

At least 40,000 Cuban immigrants to Spain in the last few years.

Defector immigrants.

Thousands of Balseros a year to the USA and other nations on anything that floats boats, rafts inner tubes, floating trucks, cars and taxi cabs across 90 + miles of shark infested waters, government organized and encouraged balsero crisis-es.

Over two million Cuban immigrants all over the world including the Balseros of today.

As for the remaining USA embargo sanctions, the Cuban government trades with almost every nation in the world including buying agricultural products from the USA on a COD basis, and Cuban Americans send family remittances $.

My 55 NS Nations immigration policy, legal immigration is legal, illegal immigration is illegal, legal immigrants welcomed, illegal immigrants deported back to nation of origin or immigrated to other nations.

All the rights of legal immigrants respected including the right to protest in favor of illegal immigrants.

1. It is illegal to hire illegal immigrants, all citizens and legal working foreign residents must show proof of legal status card checked on national data base and other means.

2. National Language class, with freedoms to speak native languages.
3. Social Holiday Customs Class.
4. History and government class.
5. Freedom to practice and mix immigrant and local customs as long as they dont go against nations laws.

In some of my 55 NS Nations immigrants become Citizens on the day of immigration like in Israel, with all rights and responsibilities respected.

It was mine first!

Well, I've got it sigged, so push off!

Well, I've got it sigged, so push off!

Curse you!

Anyone is welcomed in Somalia since there is no functioning government (for over 16 years by now). Forget the passport or visas, all you need is some cash and clan affiliation/protection. It's like the Wild Wild West over there (no glamorization)

Anti-Social Darwinism's policy is to shoot on sight. To that end, all of our citizens have assault rifles. There is a point system. That citizen who, at the end of a fiscal year has shot (not necessarily killed) the most immigrants (legal or otherwise) get his income tax forgiven and is exempt from prosecution for any infractions for the next year. We have no immigration problem, though noise pollution is an issue and we've run out of body bags. Please come visit.

Seriously, though, why do you want to leave the US? Do you seriously think any other country is going to be better? Different, maybe. Better, doubtful. There are some seriously bad places out there, and some that are comparable, but none better.

The Andaluciaen Immigration and Border Protection Service has no need to "secure" the borders, rather, as a country that occupies an entire continent to itself, and finds itself far distant from its nearest neighbor, all we have to do is let the sharks take care of illegals when their boats run out of gas.

Crisps, darling, crisps. English, would you be so kind as to answer my question whether or not you acquiesce to speak it, you engager of coitus with female parents?



I thought you were educated, Fass. Surely you know there are many dialects of English and that certain words mean completely different things depending on the dialect?

For someone who hates English, you sure spend a lot of time masturbating with it...

Oh, it takes me no time at all - it's not like it's French and one has to worry about respecting it - but you forget that in certain respects I am a pervert.

I thought you were educated, Fass.

Like so many of your thoughts, that's of no consequence to me.

Surely you know there are many dialects of English and that certain words mean completely different things depending on the dialect?

Surely you know I do not hold colonial patois in high esteem.

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Like so many of your thoughts, that's of no consequence to me.

You wound me with your rapier wit.

Surely you know I do not hold colonial patois in high esteem.
Of course not. I mean, actually having respect for other people would be far too much to ask from an elitist jackass.

You wound me with your rapier wit.

The sad thing is, I probably do.

Of course not. I mean, actually having respect for other people would be far too much to ask from an elitist jackass.

See?

Seriously, though, why do you want to leave the US? Do you seriously think any other country is going to be better? Different, maybe. Better, doubtful. There are some seriously bad places out there, and some that are comparable, but none better.

don't lie its all about preferences/which general public you despise the least

oh and the UK has a crap immigration policy (not that any are good but the current one is worse), mostly because everyone is scared of the evil polish Muslims!!! / the erosion of some British thing which has led to all the worlds evil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770) (link added because everyone missed this)

The sad thing is, I probably do.

Nyet.


See?
See what? You claiming victory from nothing yet again? I know you like to fool yourself, Fass, but please don't bother thinking that you fool the rest of us. You don't.

It's more of a question really, how does your country deal with immigration? This is not about your views on immigration, but how your countries policy on it is. I am curious as I do want out of the USA sometime by 2009.

what sort of political climate are you looking for, what languages do you speak and what job skills do you have?

not many places take american "refugees"

Nyet.

Как это сказать по-английски?

See what? You claiming victory from nothing yet again? I know you like to fool yourself, Fass, but please don't bother thinking that you fool the rest of us. You don't.

Your name-calling says more than what you'd like to reveal, so you should start thinking about whom you are or are not fooling. Avoid affective speech if you'd like to hide affects in the future.

Как это сказать по-английски?

Sadly, nyet is the only word of Russian I know. I need to learn more.


Your name-calling says more than what you'd like to reveal, so you should start thinking about whom you are or are not fooling. Avoid affective speech if you'd like to hide affects in the future.
Really now? See, here's the thing Fass: I don't care.

From what I've heard about American immigration policy, it's too lenient. Illegal immigration seems to just be ignored by the law. I've heard that under US law, the children of illegal immigrants automatically gain citizenship if born on US soil, which strikes me as ridiculous (Though I'm not 100% sure on that one, correct me if I'm wrong). Also, it has seemed to me that when someone in America speaks of toughening up on immigration, it isn't long before someone screams racist (Similar story here). I think Britain's immigration policy has a lot of the same problems, just not as servere. Still far too lenient though, definitely needs toughening up. Australia seems to have a few good ideas.

Hmmmm... I'd probably dsay that my country's stance on immigration is very similar to the USA, seeing as I live in the US....

But seriously, my backup nations (in case Bush causes TOO much trouble) are Canada and New Zealand.

In all honestly in Australia our last government had a worse stance on immigration than the US. Howard's anti-Asian racism was well known from his earlier career, and his famous Tampa 'we will decide who comes to this country' really put a nail in the coffin of immigrant rights. Throwing asylum seekers in privatized prisons, even throwing Australian citizens in prisons because they didn't look white enough, the Howard government did it all, even setting up corporate run concentration camps on pacific islands to 'process' them offshore.

The racism of the Liberal party in my country is horrible indeed, and even worse that it convinced alot of people (white trash) in my country to vote for him says worse about us than Howard. This is from the same party that gave you 'The evil socialist labor party is going to demolish your house to build mosques and pardon the Bali bombers' in the election campaign. Not to mention the Australian citizen who got locked up for 5 years in a detention center, where he was stabbed and beaten, and had to threaten suicide to be released, and had his son deported to Korea, all for the crime of being an Australian citizen.

No, my country has the worst record on immigration, I sincerely hope Rudd can clear up the vile stain of racism in the department left by the Liberals.

I'm actually agreeing with EA here. Truly, tis a momentous day.

Strikingly similar, but considering I live in the USA I'm not really all that suprised.

In all honestly in Australia our last government had a worse stance on immigration than the US. Howard's anti-Asian racism was well known from his earlier career, and his famous Tampa 'we will decide who comes to this country' really put a nail in the coffin of immigrant rights. Throwing asylum seekers in privatized prisons, even throwing Australian citizens in prisons because they didn't look white enough, the Howard government did it all, even setting up corporate run concentration camps on pacific islands to 'process' them offshore.

The racism of the Liberal party in my country is horrible indeed, and even worse that it convinced alot of people (white trash) in my country to vote for him says worse about us than Howard. This is from the same party that gave you 'The evil socialist labor party is going to demolish your house to build mosques and pardon the Bali bombers' in the election campaign. Not to mention the Australian citizen who got locked up for 5 years in a detention center, where he was stabbed and beaten, and had to threaten suicide to be released, and had his son deported to Korea, all for the crime of being an Australian citizen.

No, my country has the worst record on immigration, I sincerely hope Rudd can clear up the vile stain of racism in the department left by the Liberals.

It looks like you belong to that minority group who think that people can come into our country whenever however and why, not only that you also have no real comprehension of the truth and have only be told half truths and lies, many of those queue jumpers broke the law and many of them are not true refugees some have just come to Australia for the sake of coming and lied about why they are seeking aslyum. The Howard government was not rascist as these rules applied to everyone and as for those 'Australians' who were placed in the detention camps because they were not white that is crap indeed one woman was Cornelia Rau, and she was placed in their because she escaped went up north and then gave a fake name and story of why she was in Australia and the only logical outcome from this fake story is that she came here by boat

Oh and another thing Rudd has stated he will continue with the current immigration system

don't lie its all about preferences/which general public you despise the least

oh and the UK has a crap immigration policy (not that any are good but the current one is worse), mostly because everyone is scared of the evil polish Muslims!!! / the erosion of some British thing which has led to all the worlds evil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770) (link added because everyone missed this)

WTF? Tolerence is one thing but that is just wrong. I have 2 gay sisters and I doubt they would support that.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13254873']From what I've heard about American immigration policy, it's too lenient. Illegal immigration seems to just be ignored by the law. I've heard that under US law, the children of illegal immigrants automatically gain citizenship if born on US soil, which strikes me as ridiculous (Though I'm not 100% sure on that one, correct me if I'm wrong). Also, it has seemed to me that when someone in America speaks of toughening up on immigration, it isn't long before someone screams racist (Similar story here). I think Britain's immigration policy has a lot of the same problems, just not as servere. Still far too lenient though, definitely needs toughening up. Australia seems to have a few good ideas.


You are about right.

It's more of a question really, how does your country deal with immigration? This is not about your views on immigration, but how your countries policy on it is. I am curious as I do want out of the USA sometime by 2009.

I won't ask you why you want to leave. But I will ask you this, "Have you ever lived in or visited any other country? If so, which one or ones? If not, why do you want to leave without knowing what living in or visiting another country is like?

Oh, and yes I have visited or lived in: Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Turkey, England, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Okinawa, and Germany.

Uhm, wouldn't telling you entail the possible encouragement of a USA person's migration to where we live? You can see why we might be reticent... :p

Ignore the bigoted troll.

??? you want out of what might be the start of a

Ain't gonna happen. :eek:

Anyone is welcomed in Somalia since there is no functioning government (for over 16 years by now). Forget the passport or visas, all you need is some cash and clan affiliation/protection. It's like the Wild Wild West over there (no glamorization)

As long as you are not a female teacher from England who allowed her class to name a Teddy Bear Mohamed. :mad:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314111,00.html

I won't ask you why you want to leave. But I will ask you this, "Have you ever lived in or visited any other country? If so, which one or ones? If not, why do you want to leave without knowing what living in or visiting another country is like?

Oh, and yes I have visited or lived in: Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Turkey, England, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Okinawa, and Germany.



Never been to another nation before, that is why I ask people who do live there. But this is about immigration policies.

You are about right.

So America is too lenient on immigration but you are going to be an immigrant yourself?

Uhm, wouldn't telling you entail the possible encouragement of a USA person's migration to where we live? You can see why we might be reticent... :p

Ugh, imagine how I feel living in Canada. A decade from now we're gonna have a bunch of illegal USies trying to dodge the "End the Iraq War" draft.

We really should think about putting up a fence or something.

So America is too lenient on immigration but you are going to be an immigrant yourself?



Whats your point? It's not like I am talking about sneaking into France and refusing to learn french or anything.

Ugh, imagine how I feel living in Canada. A decade from now we're gonna have a bunch of illegal USies trying to dodge the "End the Iraq War" draft.

We really should think about putting up a fence or something.


You guys got enough immigration...Getting a tad crowded?:D

You guys got enough immigration...Getting a tad crowded?:D

Yes. We need to pass a law limiting our population to unused land ratio, so that we can keep the country as green as possible.

Whats your point? It's not like I am talking about sneaking into France and refusing to learn french or anything.

I'm sure if those immigrants were allowed legally into America they wouldn't be "sneaking" either. It seems quite disingenuous to claim that the big difference is legality if you're not for legalising the immigration of those who have to "sneak" into America.

So it's only you should be allowed to move between countries at will? Or are we restricting just the mexicans?

My country's is amazingly like the US's immigration policy..... oh wait....

Yes. We need to pass a law limiting our population to unused land ratio, so that we can keep the country as green as possible.

If you are serious I have always been in favor of population controls...The idea of another China with over 1.3 billion people is not good for enviornment.

not many places take american "refugees"
Well, there were some americans that sought asylum in Finland this year. I don't know if it was granted or not.

As long as you are not a female teacher from England who allowed her class to name a Teddy Bear Mohamed. :mad:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314111,00.html

SU-DAN is a different country from SO-MA-LI-A.

As long as you are not a female teacher from England who allowed her class to name a Teddy Bear Mohamed. :mad:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314111,00.html

She's actually been pardoned.

The immigration laws in Denmark must be very very different from the ones in the US :eek: