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So, what do you all think the worst country in the world is to live in? Apologies if I left out anything big.

I'd say North Korea.

North Korea, hands down

Nah, I think North Korea is pretty much the bottom of the barrel. Anywhere else that's as badly off as them usually doesn't have a central government capable of really doing anything, giving you at least some semblance of freedom even if it's only on a local scale. North Korea is not only dirt poor but so totalitarian and repressive that there's no way to escape the burden of government. It manages to combine the worst of both to create a truly hellish prison.

North Korea or China. Maybe it's because I'm so anti-Communist, but those are the ones I think are the worst.

North Korea or China. Maybe it's because I'm so anti-Communist, but those are the ones I think are the worst.

I'm not particularly anti-Communist, but North Korea. Someone on the radio said it was the closest thing to 1984, and I'd agree.

I'm not particularly anti-Communist, but North Korea. Someone on the radio said it was the closest thing to 1984, and I'd agree.

Actually, I'd say the world 1984 is better than North Korea...it's that bad.

Other because every other damn country in the world is pretty much a hell hole for one reason or another. The only one that rules is The Netherlands.

Psh. They sell tulips...goddamn things always get my allergies going during the spring.

Saudi Arabia, definitely.

Not only is it as much, if not more, totalitarian than North Korea, but also in the religious sense.
And no Human Rights to speak of.(not that North Korea is much better in that regard, just slightly)
At least North Korea has the potential to change over time, what with discussions concerning trade embargo´s from China (if they ever choose to do so) and USA.
Saudi Arabia can live on its income from oil for a long time, while North Korea is somewhat dependent on its import/export.

Other because every other damn country in the world is pretty much a hell hole for one reason or another. The only one that rules is The Netherlands.

Somewhere in the Pacific Islands. Because you won't have a nation for much longer.

the United States, it's worse than cuba, soviet russia, and north korea combined because we aren't communists

the United States, it's worse than cuba, soviet russia, and north korea combined because we aren't communists

lol

Saudi Arabia, definitely.

Not only is it as much, if not more, totalitarian than North Korea, but also in the religious sense.
And no Human Rights to speak of.(not that North Korea is much better in that regard, just slightly)
At least North Korea has the potential to change over time, what with discussions concerning trade embargo´s from China (if they ever choose to do so) and USA.
Saudi Arabia can live on its income from oil for a long time, while North Korea is somewhat dependent on its import/export.
Really? As far as I can tell the DPRK is quite a bit worse than Saudi Arabia. It could be #2 maybe, but like someone else said, at least it's not yet like 1984.

the United States, it's worse than cuba, soviet russia, and north korea combined because we aren't communists

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1566/owlblah6wr.jpg

:D

Saudi Arabia......maybe DPRK

Let's all look at why Muslims are upset. First of all, in the Muslim religion, you're not allowed to have what? Sex. Good. There's no sex until marriage in the Muslim world. Now, this would be fine except that in the Muslim religion you also can't... Anybody? Jack off. Okay, jacking it is strictly forbidden in the Muslim religion. And what do we know about the places Muslims live? They live in? Good, sand. Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. It's Friday night, but you can't have sex, and you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes and probably in the crack of your ass, and then some cartoon comes along from a country where people are getting laid, and mocks your prophet. Well, you know what? I'd be pretty pissed off too!

For lulz

Saudi Arabia......maybe DPRK



For lulz

LOL, that's always funny and explains so much.

I'd say N. Korea, talk about Big Brother.

the United States, it's worse than cuba, soviet russia, and north korea combined because we aren't communists



Cute.....



Somalia....name 1 good thing about it..I dare you!

Stalin.

Why isn't the USA on the list?

Why isn't the USA on the list?

Because putting it on the same level as North Korea is ignorant? But there is a other option.

Why isn't the USA on the list?

For obvious reasons.

The poll is public and we don't want 87% of NSGers to be dragged off by the CIA in the midst of a debate.

Why isn't the USA on the list?

Americans (or USians for you elitist snobs out there) tend to believe in human rights. Sure, we have Bush, but he's out Jan. '09 no matter what.

Cute.....



Somalia....name 1 good thing about it..I dare you!

It's not America, obviously.

Somalia, because you don't know if the guy next door will break in at night and eat you and your family. At least in all the other nations listed, there's a government and police force to keep its citizens relatively safe, no matter how oppressed or poor.

It's not America, obviously.

Ok, One other thing.:headbang:

Somalia, because you don't know if the guy next door will break in at night and eat you and your family. At least in all the other nations listed, there's a government and police force to keep its citizens relatively safe, no matter how oppressed or poor.
Somalia would probably be my 2nd choice, come to think of it.

Antarctica would be the worst country to live in.


Nothing but ice and penguins down there...

Ok, One other thing.:headbang:

Somalia has a better national flower.

Somalia, because you don't know if the guy next door will break in at night and eat you and your family. At least in all the other nations listed, there's a government and police force to keep its citizens relatively safe, no matter how oppressed or poor.

Yeah, but in those countries, the situation will be the same...it'll just be guys in uniforms that break in at night and eat your family (either literally or metaphorically in the gulag...).

You forgot a couple. I'd say that the worst place to live would be Sudan. The whole Darfur thing is pretty extreme. Or perhaps one of the Western, coastal african nations. North Korea may have a bad dictator, but at least they don't have rare, parasitic worms that are as of yet untreatable and live in your bodies in cysts (excluding Kim Jung Il, of course).

As for China- the communism isn't communism. You should know that. It's got conservative economics with a socialist look at equality. Quite interesting in fact.

North Korea is bad, I'll admit, but the atrocities there are not really all that different then the torture the US government sanctions, so it really shouldn't come into play.

I'd also have to say that getting shot to death is better than starving so Sudan, Mali, or one of the western African Nations. Seriously though, Africa should take the cake.

North Korea may have a bad dictator, but at least they don't have rare, parasitic worms that are as of yet untreatable and live in your bodies in cysts (excluding Kim Jung Il, of course).

As for China- the communism isn't communism. You should know that. It's got conservative economics with a socialist look at equality. Quite interesting in fact.

North Korea is bad, I'll admit, but the atrocities there are not really all that different then the torture the US government sanctions, so it really shouldn't come into play.
So are you pro-DPRK or anti-US? Or both.

I have seen the G-Bay interrogation guidebook and it forbods torturing detainees. Since you've never been to a CIA interrogation room, you probably can't say much yourself.

North Korea is bad, I'll admit, but the atrocities there are not really all that different then the torture the US government sanctions, so it really shouldn't come into play.

Yeah it is. Nothing the US does even remotely approaches the kinds of things the North Koreans inflict on their people every day. Our worst is many, many times better than North Korea's best.

North Korea

Sierra Leone. I believe it ranked as the lowest on the HDI list this year?

Sierra Leone. I believe it ranked as the lowest on the HDI list this year?

Niger is at the bottom, actually. But Sierra Leone was the second lowest...once you get that low, it doesn't really matter all that much where you are relative to the others at the bottom of the barrel. More of a personal preference than anything else. Of course, North Korea isn't listed (since, after all, the "paradise" doesn't record these statistics), but it's safe to say they'd be somewhere near the bottom as well.

Niger is at the bottom, actually. But Sierra Leone was the second lowest...once you get that low, it doesn't really matter all that much where you are relative to the others at the bottom of the barrel. More of a personal preference than anything else. Of course, North Korea isn't listed (since, after all, the "paradise" doesn't record these statistics), but it's safe to say they'd be somewhere near the bottom as well.
Meh, point is I don't want to live there.

And that such a place should be brought up to more sensible standards.

Well I guess it depends on what status you have. I mean living there as a peasant or someone who can afford to buy the luxuries of life? If you lived in Saudi Arabia, there is still places you can find friendly women and alcohol along with anything else. Same with just about anywhere else. There's a huge black market in all these countries.

Sub-Saharan Africa would be the worst all around. Ugly women, bad food, crime, terrible hygiene, awful roads, no modern comforts like air conditioning for example and other than some good scenery, it really doesn't have an upside.

Other because every other damn country in the world is pretty much a hell hole for one reason or another. The only one that rules is The Netherlands.
Canada is a hell hole?

The Netherland rules? Why is that?

Somalia, because you don't know if the guy next door will break in at night and eat you and your family. At least in all the other nations listed, there's a government and police force to keep its citizens relatively safe, no matter how oppressed or poor.

But what if the GOVERNMENT is the one doing it? Would that make it better. What if the government forbids it because it doesn't want competition? Thought so.

Hmm...
I'm not sure how to answer this poll, as coming from a third world country that's the murder and rape capital of the world and has the one of the highest rates of illiteracy none of those seem quite so bad to me.
I mean, sure it might not be nice to live there, but you can deal.

Coming from a non-European/American point of view I guess that I see these "atrocities" a little differently.

Maybe one of those dirt poor places in Africa. Or maybe one of the ones where they have BIG problems with Whitey. Or one of those soon to be underwater Pacific islands. Or Iraq.

You kids need to think in geographic terms.

Out of all the shitty countries to live in, DPRK is the worst because it would be by far the hardest to get out of.

Somewhere else.
See: The U.S.A.

Somalia....name 1 good thing about it..I dare you!

I can name more than that.

1. Beautiful women
2. Delicious cuisine
3. Beautiful poetry
4. Warm and friendly people

Sub-Saharan Africa would be the worst all around. Ugly women, bad food, crime, terrible hygiene, awful roads, no modern comforts like air conditioning for example and other than some good scenery, it really doesn't have an upside.

Ignorant much?

Lots of African women are stunningly beautiful, some of their cuisine (Ethiopian comes to mind) ranks among the world's most delicious, crime varies by country, sanitation may be poor but the people try to maintain good hygiene, roads vary by country (South Africa's are probably decent), and the availability of modern comforts varies widely.

Somolia, in grips of cruel famine for the Nth time...

and to think, only 30 years ago, it WAS able to export its surplus food supply to its neighbors.

Or Saudi Arabia .. because of its repressiveness due to being Wasabi (fundie) Muslim faith.
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Iraq, because of the war. How there is still ANYBODY left alive in Bagdad.... is a wonder.

Afghanistan (sp) because they are still controlled by the Taliban.

and to think, only 30 years ago, it WAS able to export its surplus food supply to its neighbors.

No, it wasn't.

Why isnt America on the list of choices?

"For a number of years, the U.S. Congress refused to authorize payment of the U.S. dues (to the United Nations), in order to force UN compliance with U.S. wishes.-imagine any of the countries in the list doing this!! (it currently stands at $1.246 billion

It is a hypocrite, disguising its wars of self-interest as humanitarian interventions and exporting democracy at the point of a bayonet.

It is inconsistent – agitating for “regime change” with some “un-democratic” countries, but with others giving arms, aid and trade.

It has an incoherent foreign policy – it abandoned the “no first strike” principle which kept the peace for decades; “pre-emption” replaced “deterrence” but has no basis in international law.

If you added America to the list..i think you would be surprised with the amout of ppl that would rate it lower than some listed. It would get my vote as "the worst country to live in"

Why isnt America on the list of choices?

"For a number of years, the U.S. Congress refused to authorize payment of the U.S. dues (to the United Nations), in order to force UN compliance with U.S. wishes.-imagine any of the countries in the list doing this!! (it currently stands at $1.246 billion

It is a hypocrite, disguising its wars of self-interest as humanitarian interventions and exporting democracy at the point of a bayonet.

It is inconsistent – agitating for “regime change” with some “un-democratic” countries, but with others giving arms, aid and trade.

It has an incoherent foreign policy – it abandoned the “no first strike” principle which kept the peace for decades; “pre-emption” replaced “deterrence” but has no basis in international law.

If you added America to the list..i think you would be surprised with the amout of ppl that would rate it lower than some listed. It would get my vote as "the worst country to live in"

Horrible government, yes.

But worst to live in?

Do we have widespread famine, gulags, public executions, gender apartheid, widespread repressive of dissent, etc. like some of the others on the list?

Psh. They sell tulips...goddamn things always get my allergies going during the spring.

Tulips... they's purty. :)

Antarctica would be the worst country to live in.


Nothing but ice and penguins down there...

And what's wrong with penguins? They're cute! And they'll make better overlords than any human would.

Canada is a hell hole?

The Netherland rules? Why is that?

Canada is a hell hole so long as the Conservatives are in office. They're making a joke out of us at the Climate Change conference. They've pretty much done everything to make it boring here. And have you ever watched the House Ethics Committee question a guy? It's enough to make you comatose.

Ok, it's not a hell hole like the US but still in its own way as long as the NDP aren't in power. :p

And of course Holland... FTW... ;) if only I spoke Dutch, I'd live there.

Zimbabwe, perhaps. Maybe the DPRK.

At least Zimbabwe has freedom of religion, and is a hell of a lot easier to escape from.

So, what do you all think the worst country in the world is to live in? Apologies if I left out anything big.

I'd say North Korea.

I wouldn't want to live in any of them.
There are very few countries I'd consider living in anyway.

Zimbabwe, perhaps. Maybe the DPRK.

North Korea. From what I've read, it's actually worse than 1984. Other countries give you a higher chance of dying, but I'd take anarchy over a soul-crushing dictatorship any day. In the former, I can at least fight back, and I have a decent chance of getting out. In the latter, no chance.

I don't understand why people think that the US is such a horrible place to live. If it's so bad, why do so many people try and come here?

Zimbabwe, perhaps. Maybe the DPRK.

DPRK is far worse. Currently I know a guy who works for an opposition MP in Bulawayo. The member may not have any power, and probably faces threats but in the DPRK him and his family would have long ago disapeared into internment. As well as that, it's actually possible to leave which is an option that many have already taken.


On a side note: Mugabe. What a fuckwit.

DPRK is far worse. Currently I know a guy who works for an opposition MP in Bulawayo. The member may not have any power, and probably faces threats but in the DPRK him and his family would have long ago disapeared into internment. As well as that, it's actually possible to leave which is an option that many have already taken.

Not to mention the near-term prospect that in an economic collapse the Mugabe government will be ripped straight from power and hopefully replaced by someone less useless.

On a side note: Mugabe. What a fuckwit.

You can say that again.

North Korea. At least you could escape from the others...

The beauty of the country's women should figure in the HDI :p


But as for worst place, I'm unsure. North Korea has the corrupt controlling government, Somalia has the chaos and overall poverty...if we combined both, we would have Zimbabwe. Mugabe's party holds Zimbabwe 1984-like, complaining about the increasing famine would eventually lead to persecution ending up in beatings, rape or death.

I don't know how it is in the beautiful women requirement, but I guess the other stuff pretty much throw Zimbabwe rock bottom.

GAZA STRIP:
1. No Electricity
2: No good water
3: Gazans rely on an enemy state to (reluctantly) supply them with oil
4:No Space!(365 KM square, 45 km long and 5-12km wide,1.3 million people)
5: Controlled by autocratic Hamas, who are resented in Gaza now.
6: Factional wars tearing your nation apart
7: No identity (Arab League refuses to give citizenship)
8: Isolation (blockaded by Israel, surrounded by 20ft wall)
9: Famine
10. No fertile land
11: Gaza city is a complete slum

WELL?

Canada is a hell hole so long as the Conservatives are in office. They're making a joke out of us at the Climate Change conference. They've pretty much done everything to make it boring here. And have you ever watched the House Ethics Committee question a guy? It's enough to make you comatose.

Ok, it's not a hell hole like the US but still in its own way as long as the NDP aren't in power. :p
As much as I am not a fan of the current Canadian administration, I certainly wouldn't consider Canada a "hell hole". It is one of the best countries in the world in which to live (http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/)and I consider myself extremely fortunate to live here.

And of course Holland... FTW... ;) if only I spoke Dutch, I'd live there.
Have you ever been to Holland and for how long? Again, what makes Holland a better country than Canada?

Obviously none of you have been to Wales on your holidays.

I choose to believe Wales doesn't exist and is, like the boogie man, only used to scare small children
(I kid I kid)

Obviously none of you have been to Wales on your holidays.

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Saudi Arabia, definitely.

Not only is it as much, if not more, totalitarian than North Korea, but also in the religious sense.
And no Human Rights to speak of.(not that North Korea is much better in that regard, just slightly)
At least North Korea has the potential to change over time, what with discussions concerning trade embargo´s from China (if they ever choose to do so) and USA.
Saudi Arabia can live on its income from oil for a long time, while North Korea is somewhat dependent on its import/export.

Saudi Arabia is a terrible terrible place for one half its population, not even counting in poverty or anything other than how they're treated based on what set of genitalia they have.

My vote is that Saudi Arabia is the worst.

Niger is at the bottom, actually. But Sierra Leone was the second lowest.

Not anymore. Niger's fourth or fifth lowest, now. Burkina Faso and Guinea-Bissau are both below Niger, and Sierra Leone comes in dead last.

Not anymore. Niger's fourth or fifth lowest, now. Burkina Faso and Guinea-Bissau are both below Niger, and Sierra Leone comes in dead last.

Wasn't Sierra Leone one of the states founded by freed slaves who left the US?

Boy, I bet their descendants really love them for making that decision.

Iraq in my opinion. Things there are MUCH worse than they ever were with Saddam in control.

Again, what makes Holland a better country than Canada?

No (much) snow in the winter? :p

Antarctica would be the worst country to live in.


Nothing but ice and penguins down there...

Antarctica is a continent. Not a country.

That being said, I'd rather live in Cuba than the US. For the land of the free, I find it strikingly odd that I don't have the freedom to make a decision for myself and immigrate to a country I would prefer to live in.

People complain about the oppression there. What they don't understand is that the oppression there is the same as somewhere else (like the USA) in different degrees. In Cuba, what oppression is apparent is overt. In America, it's covert. However, I supposer I didn't answer the question posed.

I'd probably want to say North Korea would be up there on my list of places I would never want to go to. Somalia is so-so. Definately would hate living in wither China or Afghanistan. Iraq, would suck due to the first world imposed sectarian violence. Nevermind the "legal" looting of the country and the resulting "brain drain" (when people like doctors and other important people making an infrastructure stable leave due to instability.) Russia seems dubious under Putin. I'd rather live in post-Stalin Russia. The freedom would equate to the freedom allowed in USAmerica today, except with the addition of guaranteed housing and food. So on. So on.

GAZA STRIP:
1. No Electricity
2: No good water
3: Gazans rely on an enemy state to (reluctantly) supply them with oil
4:No Space!(365 KM square, 45 km long and 5-12km wide,1.3 million people)
5: Controlled by autocratic Hamas, who are resented in Gaza now.
6: Factional wars tearing your nation apart
7: No identity (Arab League refuses to give citizenship)
8: Isolation (blockaded by Israel, surrounded by 20ft wall)
9: Famine
10. No fertile land
11: Gaza city is a complete slum

WELL?

Good call, except Gaza isn't really a certified country.

You know where I'd hate to live?
The moon.
No air, no food, no wimminz.
Sucks.

:sniper:

hahaha

You know where I'd hate to live?
The moon.
No air, no food, no wimminz.
Sucks.

But you have cheese and a happy man.

Wow. I am amazed by the number of people that just say the U.S.A. without even bloody thinking.

The United States has never claimed to be perfect nor has any person with any credibility said it is. It could use some improvement, such as an NHS, better welfare, better designed cities, elimination of urban sprawl, and a government that wasn't eager to be a bunch of dipshits.

But it's not exactly all that bad either. We're not exactly starving over here, after all. Nor do we lack fresh water, or electricity, or shelter when we need it(at least most of us, anyway :( ) You have a large diversity of jobs and a generally(compared to a large portion of humanity, anyway) open-minded society.

No, it's not prefect, and it definitely needs improvement. But come on, people! Are your standards that high? Yeah, it can suck in some ways, but believe you me, it is FAAAAR better than most, and certainly better than the countries on the list in the poll.

Seriously folks. Grow up.

That being said, I'd rather live in Cuba than the US. For the land of the free, I find it strikingly odd that I don't have the freedom to make a decision for myself and immigrate to a country I would prefer to live in.

People complain about the oppression there. What they don't understand is that the oppression there is the same as somewhere else (like the USA) in different degrees. In Cuba, what oppression is apparent is overt. In America, it's covert. However, I supposer I didn't answer the question posed.
What a disrespectful and immature thing to say. While you're sititng here with your nice freedom of speech saying how "Cuba is not so bad", people are fleeing with the risk of a HUGE mortality rate to get off that island, away from that regime and have a free life in America. I suggest you make your way down to Miami and talk to the Cubans there and tell them "Cuba is not so bad. I'd rather live there than America."

Please...enough. :rolleyes:

Ignorant much?
He may have been generalizing but he's not wrong.

Lots of African women are stunningly beautiful,
That's your opinion, but most people don't find Africans attractive. People usually find blacks who are more mixed (like in Latin and North America) much more attractive because they don't have as "African" of features. Of course this is a generalization but so is "lots of African women are stunningly beautiful." The only good looking stock of Africans are Ethiopians.
some of their cuisine (Ethiopian comes to mind) ranks among the world's most delicious,
Ranked by who? Not by me, and it's not delicious to me. Also, African food sucks and even if some tool says Ethiopian food doesn't, that's just one country out of the rest of Africa.
crime varies by country,
Yeah..but it's shit everywhere, those much worse in Black Africa than in Arab Africa.
sanitation may be poor but the people try to maintain good hygiene,
Really? I don't beleive that Africans are generally in good hygiene....
roads vary by country (South Africa's are probably decent),
Roads suck in all of Africa but are better in Arab Africa and in South Africa....who's were built by Europeans.....
and the availability of modern comforts varies widely.
Yeah from none to some to only for the ruler.

Fantastic continent you're supporting there.

Yep. Atlantian Islands is definitely not a racist. :rolleyes:

(For the record, TAI, the reason I'm saying this is not your points--the facts being true and the opinions being...opinions...--but in the way you said it, which showed obvious racism on your part.)

(Also, I hate Jolt's random selection of the emoticons over to the right. It changes whenever I need a specific emoticon so that one is not there. :headbang:)

Wasn't Sierra Leone one of the states founded by freed slaves who left the US?

That's Liberia, which is right next to Sierra Leone.

Yep. Atlantian Islands is definitely not a racist. :rolleyes:

(For the record, TAI, the reason I'm saying this is not your points--the facts being true and the opinions being...opinions...--but in the way you said it, which showed obvious racism on your part.)

(Also, I hate Jolt's random selection of the emoticons over to the right. It changes whenever I need a specific emoticon so that one is not there. :headbang:)

Most of his "facts" are sketchy, at best.

Yep. Atlantian Islands is definitely not a racist. :rolleyes:

(For the record, TAI, the reason I'm saying this is not your points--the facts being true and the opinions being...opinions...--but in the way you said it, which showed obvious racism on your part.)

(Also, I hate Jolt's random selection of the emoticons over to the right. It changes whenever I need a specific emoticon so that one is not there. :headbang:)


QFT. TAI is being quite racist here.

Probably Wales.

QFT. TAI is being quite racist here.
How so?
Most of his "facts" are sketchy, at best.
Really...which ones?
Yep. Atlantian Islands is definitely not a racist. :rolleyes:
Yes, I'm racist for calling Africa out on how shitty it is.
(For the record, TAI, the reason I'm saying this is not your points--the facts being true and the opinions being...opinions...--but in the way you said it, which showed obvious racism on your part.)
Expand on this...

I'll go with Iraq. But, Somalia and Northern Korea are up there too.

Most of his "facts" are sketchy, at best.
Indeed. They don't exactly give the full story. For example, roads built by the Europeans were only built by them because the Europeans destroyed the various societies that would have built them themselves eventually if given the chance.

The Atlantian islands: Fine. I'm confused as to why I have to, but okay.

Take a look at how you state each opinion and fact. Look at the word choices, the phrasings. The way you dismiss anything African, no matter what it might be. The way you give off a sense of believing you are superior when saying things like Roads suck in all of Africa but are better in Arab Africa and in South Africa....who's were built by Europeans.....

or

Really? I don't beleive that Africans are generally in good hygiene....

or even

Yeah..but it's shit everywhere, those much worse in Black Africa than in Arab Africa.

Now you could have easily stated your opinions without the loaded phrasing and obvious racism. I, for example, agree with you in not finding African facial features all that attractive. (Not the skin colour, but the wideness of the nose and other similar features. That's not to say I can never find someone with such features attractive, however... merely that they are less attractive to me in general.) But take a look how I said it in the parenthesis. I made it clear that I what I found unattractive were certain specific features, not the entirety as you gave the impression. (Not that that in and of itself would be all that "racist" either. You can easily not be attracted to people of a certain ethnicity and not be racist.) Alone, it would not be enough, but when coupled with the rest...

Look, I know you obviously don't like the idea of being a racist. The fact that you constantly deny your own viewpoints is proof of this. So think, my acquaintance. Think carefully about your own opinions. Don't be afraid to be completely honest with yourself. You'd be surprised how helpful that is to people, regardless of why you're doing it.

I believe you can change and become more tolerant, but you're only going to do that if you WANT to and if you admit to yourself what opinions and viewpoints you currently have.

*SNIP*
So basically, in that case, we beleive the same thing but you say it a way in which you make sure no one get's offended, and I don't. Obviously you're way is nicer but I don't really care, to be honest. I'm only branded as racist by Left wing fools who don't think what I say is nice. With moderate people and the average person, I'm not called racist at all. In fact, I get along with everyone in real life.

N. Korea is obviously the worst place to live in the world. Its a sad pathetic place ruled by an equally sad and pathetic dictator. Also the poll fails because Russia is on the list. Russia is actually not that bad of a place at all, I'd be happy to live in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other places. Burma is far worse yet not in that poll.

So basically, in that case, we beleive the same thing but you say it a way in which you make sure no one get's offended, and I don't. Obviously you're way is nicer but I don't really care, to be honest. I'm only branded as racist by Left wing fools who don't think what I say is nice. With moderate people and the average person, I'm not called racist at all. In fact, I get along with everyone in real life.

No, we do not believe the same thing. Please try to read more carefully. The only thing I agreed upon with you was the attractiveness of certain African features, and even there I differed from you not only in how I phrased it, but in the specifics of my opinion.

Whereas, as I said, it was not just that but EVERYTHING ELSE coupled TOGETHER that gives the impression of your racism.

One of these days you're going to have to accept your racism, TAI, whether you like it or not.

N. Korea is obviously the worst place to live in the world. Its a sad pathetic place ruled by an equally sad and pathetic dictator. Also the poll fails because Russia is on the list. Russia is actually not that bad of a place at all, I'd be happy to live in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other places. Burma is far worse yet not in that poll.

Most Expensive city in World: Moscow
Average Russian Wages compared to European: Low
Crime and corruption: Decreasing, but still Rampant

Wahts not to love?

Antarctica would be the worst country to live in.


Nothing but ice and penguins down there...

Antarctica is not a country, nice try though :D

Wow. I am amazed by the number of people that just say the U.S.A. without even bloody thinking. <snip>
I agree with that. I think most people who say America aren't really thinking, they just say so simply because they don't like a lot of what America does, which has nothing to do with the question asked. Anybody who would seriously think that America is the worst country in the world to live in is a moron. If I had to leave Britain there are other countries I'd sooner go to than America (Canada, New Zealand, Australia, some other EU countries), but I do believe that it's one of the world's better countries to live in. After all, America (Like other western countries) is having people illegally sneaking in. Being a big target of illegal immigrants automatically excludes you from being the worst country to live in.

As for the poll, I'd say North Korea, followed closely by Somalia.

Atlantis.

Italy, because I want to be different.

This place ----------> Link (http://www.nationstates.net/-1/page=display_nation/nation=we_kick_kittens)

Ranked by who? Not by me, and it's not delicious to me. Also, African food sucks and even if some tool says Ethiopian food doesn't, that's just one country out of the rest of Africa.

West African slaves have contributed allot in terms of diet to America.
http://www.shivaunnestor.com/archives/telehealth/food/journey.html

I'm not particularly anti-Communist, but North Korea. Someone on the radio said it was the closest thing to 1984, and I'd agree.

They had a documentary on North Korea; yes, they do have speakers in every home giving out 'words of encouragement from the great leader' and like the book, you can only turn it down, but not off.

I will agree with TAI that Africa is probably the worst continent to live on (save Antarctica), but that has to do with history and Africa getting gang-raped by Europe.

As a person in the "North Korea worse than 1984 camp" I ask you this - why would North Korea be better than whatever other country you think is the worst?

They're all pretty bad. I would also include the Sudan and Rwanda.

Sudan.

That's your opinion, but most people don't find Africans attractive. People usually find blacks who are more mixed (like in Latin and North America) much more attractive because they don't have as "African" of features. Of course this is a generalization but so is "lots of African women are stunningly beautiful." The only good looking stock of Africans are Ethiopians.

Bullshit, I know plenty of people (majority) who find Africans attractive, in the same way that we find Europeans attractive meaning some are and some aren't but its hard to generalise appearence by colour.

How did Sudan not make the list?

Mozambique or something.

Obviously none of you have been to Wales on your holidays.

I like Wales actually. Bloody grey and rainy, but well worth a visit if you go to the right places at the right time.

I'd say the worst place to live would have to be N.Korea at any rate. I simply cannot conceive of any way in which it would ever be pleasant.

China and Russia aren't that bad. There's no way I'd live in either of them, but they're definitely better than the other entires.

Also, Zimbabwe should be on the list as well. Right now, it has an inflation rate of 15000% -- which means (assuming that inflation doesn't rise, which it will if Mugabe doesn't drastically change his policies) that something which costs $100 today would cost $15100 a year from now. That alone makes it worse than Russia and China.

Somalia is a shitfest daily.

Most Expensive city in World: Moscow
Average Russian Wages compared to European: Low
Crime and corruption: Decreasing, but still Rampant

Wahts not to love?

Do you even know what you're talking about? Most Russians in Moscow have more disposable income than many Europeans which they use to go on holiday and the like. The bill for all utilities in an average Moscow apartment runs just about $40 a month. Thats just one example of the cost of living in Russia.

Im considering youre not living in Moscow currently, as you said that you would love to live there, which implies that you aren't living there. Foreginers living in Moscow pay the highest fee for services compared to any other place in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_cities.
And where are you gettting the info about income?

Furthermore, in the list of the top cities in the world according to living quality of living, Moscow, let alone any city in Russia, didn't even make the top 100. Hell, Moscow is ranked 201st
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10009626.shtml

Even worse, in the Health and Sanitation rankings (same study), again no city in Russia made the top 50
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1128060

They were even mentioned as having the lowest scores in the world in this category. Moscow is 14 places above the worst city to live on this study. Its 10 places above Mexico city, the congestion-choked, smog-ridden, huge capital of Mexico. The highest Russian city on this list is in 174th place.

That is never a country I will live in

My opinion is that Zimbabwe, the Sudan, and Haiti might be among the worst places to live. Although it is quite possible that they might not be the worst to visit.

North Korea is bad, I'll admit, but the atrocities there are not really all that different then the torture the US government sanctions, so it really shouldn't come into play.

If you try to leave North Korea, the government takes your entire family and throws them into a gulag where, occasionally, the inmates have had to resort to eating dead human bodies to survive.

So, you still want to make the asinine assertion that North Korean government isn't "really all that different" than what we have in the US?

Im considering youre not living in Moscow currently, as you said that you would love to live there, which implies that you aren't living there. Foreginers living in Moscow pay the highest fee for services compared to any other place in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_cities.

I'm not talking about foreigners, I'm talking about the average Russian. Most big cities are expensive to live in if you're a foreigner, this isn't unique to Russia.

And where are you gettting the info about income?
A friend of mine who lives in Moscow.

Furthermore, in the list of the top cities in the world according to living quality of living, Moscow, let alone any city in Russia, didn't even make the top 100. Hell, Moscow is ranked 201st
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10009626.shtml
those quality of life things are inaccurate and bias, scoring the more socialists countries as somehow better.

Even worse, in the Health and Sanitation rankings (same study), again no city in Russia made the top 50
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1128060

They were even mentioned as having the lowest scores in the world in this category. Moscow is 14 places above the worst city to live on this study. Its 10 places above Mexico city, the congestion-choked, smog-ridden, huge capital of Mexico. The highest Russian city on this list is in 174th place.
again, big cities are dirty. get used to it.

That is never a country I will live in

your loss

again, big cities are dirty. get used to it.


What a tired excuse. All big cities have some dirtiness to them, yes. But the amount greatly varies...

I'm not talking about foreigners, I'm talking about the average Russian. Most big cities are expensive to live in if you're a foreigner, this isn't unique to Russia.

Oh. Well, why didn't you say so? That changes everything.


A friend of mine who lives in Moscow.

And Ive got Wiki. Let the battle commence!


those quality of life things are inaccurate and bias, scoring the more socialists countries as somehow better.

Wait....you mean that anything that disagrees with your obvious preinclination towards capitalism is inaccurate and biased?!?!?GASP

And unless I'm horribley mistaken, Austria, New Zeland, and Germany dont seem to be incredibley socialistic compared to the rest of Europe, but they are all big players in the top 50 rankings.

Comparatively, Russia still has relatively socialist tendencies when it comes to the housing market (which accounts for the low cost of living there for locals), yet, as I hop I have made clear, it suks. Not nearly as much as Pongyang would of course, or whatever the DPRK's capital is. But it would still suck

which is funny, because considering your name Id have thought youd be a socialist yourself

again, big cities are dirty. get used to it.

Calgary isn't dirty. New York City is. By comparison, Moscow is a filthy stinking cesspool. Hell, a city in the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO has a better sanitation ratating. That speaks volumes. A city in the middle of a civil war ripping apart one of the poorest nations in the world is cleaner than the capital of one of the rich up and coming modern powers. Tell me that doesnt make a diffrence.

your loss

Really?

If you try to leave North Korea, the government takes your entire family and throws them into a gulag where, occasionally, the inmates have had to resort to eating dead human bodies to survive.

So, you still want to make the asinine assertion that North Korean government isn't "really all that different" than what we have in the US?

*munches on inmate's leg in USAgulag*
Hell yea!

*munches on inmate's leg in USAgulag*
Hell yea!

Yum

They're all pretty bad. I would also include the Sudan and Rwanda.

Actually, Rwanda's not that bad anymore. It's pretty stable and peaceful (except for the border with the DRC), and Kigali is one of the safest capitals in Africa. Moreover, reconstruction and reconciliation are proceeding apace, and the country has grown by leaps and bounds since then.

Hell, a city in the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO has a better sanitation ratating.

What city, and how recently was it ranked?

My opinion is that Zimbabwe, the Sudan, and Haiti might be among the worst places to live. Although it is quite possible that they might not be the worst to visit.

Aside from Darfur and South Sudan, Sudan wouldn't be too bad. Sudanese are said to be among the friendliest people in the world.

Now probably isn't the best time to visit Zimbabwe, but if you plan ahead, keep your wits about you, and take safety precautions, it will probably definitely be worth visiting (although it would be a depressing experience, witnessing all the poverty), and obviously you'd have to keep your mouth shut about politics.

As for Haiti, it's essentially the Somalia of the Western Hemisphere. Not a pleasant place to live in or visit.

What city, and how recently was it ranked?


Kinshasa, and it was ranked in 2007

Kinshasa, and it was ranked in 2007

That's just sad, especially considering the city's unofficial nickname, Kin la poubelle - "Kinshasa the rubbage dump" (Kin la belle, "Kinshasa the beautiful" being its official nickname).

Oh well, at least it's not Lagos. :p

That's just sad, especially considering the city's unofficial nickname, Kin la poubelle - "Kinshasa the rubbage dump" (Kin la belle, "Kinshasa the beautiful" being its official nickname).

Oh well, at least it's not Lagos. :p

Actually that got ranked higher to. It was ranked 199, compared to Moscows 201

So, what do you all think the worst country in the world is to live in? Apologies if I left out anything big.

I'd say North Korea.

The Islamic Republic of England:gundge:

Actually that got ranked higher to. It was ranked 199, compared to Moscows 201

Wow.

Does Moscow have open sewers with horrible stenches spilling out, miles of slums surrounded by massive piles of garbage, or god-awful pollution?

Wow.

Does Moscow have open sewers with horrible stenches spilling out, miles of slums surrounded by massive piles of garbage, or god-awful pollution?

I suppose the climate cant help....and I bet the slums are pretty Soviet, and they didnt really care about the enviorment now did they?

It turns out its the pollution is god-awful, sewers are ok, and garbage heaps are everywhere

I suppose the climate cant help....and I bet the slums are pretty Soviet, and they didnt really care about the enviorment now did they?

Yeah, that's true. But still...ranking lower than Lagos? Wow.

Even worse, in the Health and Sanitation rankings (same study), again no city in Russia made the top 50
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1128060Where's Frankfort?

Ok there are a lot of babd places to live. But how many people live in a war zone like Iraq? The Communist governments are bad, and poverty is tough. But death all around you every day? Iraq hands down, followed by any other country where radical groups have almost as much power as the government.

Actually, heres a better link
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10009626.shtml

Ok there are a lot of babd places to live. But how many people live in a war zone like Iraq? The Communist governments are bad, and poverty is tough. But death all around you every day? Iraq hands down, followed by any other country where radical groups have almost as much power as the government.

Which is why Baghdad is ranked dead last in quality of life

Sub-saharan Africa is the worst by far.

Massive poverty? Check.
Corrupt, oppressive government? Check.
AIDs? Check.

North Korean is stable in it's oppression of it's people. You know not to criticize the government, and can spend your life as an oppressed, poverty stricken citizen. But Somalia, you never know who's going to kill you or why. Plus, AIDs!

The same is true of Iraq to an extent, but only in certain parts, and even then, it's not as bad.

Saudi Arabia? Puh-lease.

And comparing the US or Western Europe to these places is a fucking joke.

Corrupt, oppressive government? Check.

There are a few exceptions to this, such as Senegal, Botswana, Ghana, Benin, and Mali.

Sub-saharan Africa is the worst by far.

Massive poverty? Check.
Corrupt, oppressive government? Check.
AIDs? Check.

North Korean is stable in it's oppression of it's people. You know not to criticize the government, and can spend your life as an oppressed, poverty stricken citizen. But Somalia, you never know who's going to kill you or why. Plus, AIDs!

The same is true of Iraq to an extent, but only in certain parts, and even then, it's not as bad.

Saudi Arabia? Puh-lease.

And comparing the US or Western Europe to these places is a fucking joke.

In Somalia vs. North Korea, it really comes down to anarchy vs. complete totalitarianism. Do you want everything controled, and have your life suck, or be able to rely on yourself, lack some things, but able to say and do what you want?

Sudanese are said to be among the friendliest people in the world.


2 weeks ago that wouldn't have been nearly as funny! Good timing! Thanks for a bit of morning humor!

Sudanese are said to be among the friendliest people in the world.I've discovered a correlation between pride and hospitality.

2 weeks ago that wouldn't have been nearly as funny! Good timing! Thanks for a bit of morning humor!

How many demonstrated in favor of the teacher's death? A few hundred, maybe a few thousand? Out of a population of how many millions?

How many demonstrated in favor of the teacher's death? A few hundred, maybe a few thousand? Out of a population of how many millions?

Mans Got a point

So, what do you all think the worst country in the world is to live in? Apologies if I left out anything big.

I'd say North Korea.

USA.

Seriously I am scared to even go near the border! :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

However I to hate North Korea (Bloody people who claim to be commies but are not). However I would be more likely to be dragged of by American black helicopters. :headbang:

USA.

Seriously I am scared to even go near the border! :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

However I to hate North Korea (Bloody people who claim to be commies but are not). However I would be more likely to be dragged of by American black helicopters. :headbang:

You seriously think so....ah....wait...(sees name)....ah...no wonder youre so afraid of us.

dont worry. We would never attack Tehran. Im backing Gorbachev and declaring a Revolution if we do, even though im not incredibley communist

North Korea because your brainwashed into thinking that Kim Jong Il is some kind of God and they have prison camps where people are sent to work until they starve to death or are shot.

Second is Britain for the simple fact that they invented scones.

In Somalia vs. North Korea, it really comes down to anarchy vs. complete totalitarianism. Do you want everything controled, and have your life suck, or be able to rely on yourself, lack some things, but able to say and do what you want?

Definitely the latter - anarchy over complete totalitarianism. I have a higher chance of death in anarchy, but I have the power to run or fight. In totalitarianism, my chances are essentially zero.

Also, a totalitarian society has a much higher chance of a PAINFUL death than an anarchy.

Why isn't the USA on the list?

Does it have to be? The OP has the right to put whatever he wants in his poll. Please don't be a fascist.

For me it comes down to North Korea v Saudi Arabia.

North Korea

Major Pro: Ummm some snow.

Major Con: Everything

Saudi Arabia

Major Pro: Escapeable

Major Con: Islamic theocracy

USA.

Seriously I am scared to even go near the border! :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

However I to hate North Korea (Bloody people who claim to be commies but are not). However I would be more likely to be dragged of by American black helicopters. :headbang:

If you are truly as Ignorant about life in the U.S as this, please, please, don't speak another word of it.

North Korea or China. Maybe it's because I'm so anti-Communist, but those are the ones I think are the worst.

China isnt really a communist country, its actually a nice place to live.

North Korea on the other hand is the last real communist country on earth, thank god, and coincidentally (or not) the worst place to live.

The hateful and destructive ideology of genocide and horror will finally be thrust down into the ash heap once it falls.

China isnt really a communist country, its actually a nice place to live.

North Korea's a beautiful country, but thanks to Communist ineptitude it's nowhere near its potential. Once that failure is dead and gone, the country's potential would really shine. I can only imagine what North Korea would be like today if it had pursued a path similar to China back in the 1970's.

How many demonstrated in favor of the teacher's death? A few hundred, maybe a few thousand? Out of a population of how many millions?

How many people demonstrated against her being found guilty at all? None?

So, what do you all think the worst country in the world is to live in? Apologies if I left out anything big.

I'd say North Korea.

Well... North Koreans, at least, aren't getting bombed or shot at by terrorists, invaders, raiders and whatnot.

I voted Somalia (because no one really gives a fuck about Somalia, and there's half a war plus famine and fundies). But I think that Sudan is even worse. Also life in the Gaza Strip sucks quite a lot, and don't ye forget Kurdistan!

North Korea's a beautiful country, but thanks to Communist ineptitude it's nowhere near its potential. Once that failure is dead and gone, the country's potential would really shine. I can only imagine what North Korea would be like today if it had pursued a path similar to China back in the 1970's.

Iirc, mainland China has been ruled by Communists since 1948 till today. Looks like not all communists are the same, just like not all capitalizt$ are the same. Eh, oversimplifications...

Oh, and re Somalia _
Did anybody else here already know that the anarchic situation really only covers the southern & central regions of that former nation?
The clan leaders in the north-western region declared that area to be an independent country again (as it briefly was after independence from British colonial rule was granted, before federating with the former Italian colony to its south) in the mid-1990s, under its old name of 'Somaliland', and it's effectively been a separate nation -- although not internationally recognised as such -- since then. It's been internally at peace for most of the last decade, and actually has a properly-elected government.
So, if we could chose which part of the designated country we would be living in, 'Somalia' might not be quite as bad as that after all...

Iirc, mainland China has been ruled by Communists since 1948 till today. Looks like not all communists are the same, just like not all capitalizt$ are the same. Eh, oversimplifications...

It was ruled by communists for a while, now it is ruled by something called the Communist Party of China which has cast aside communism and embraced capitalism, as is immediately evident the moment you come to the country.

Oh, and re Somalia _
Did anybody else here already know that the anarchic situation really only covers the southern & central regions of that former nation?
The clan leaders in the north-western region declared that area to be an independent country again (as it briefly was after independence from British colonial rule was granted, before federating with the former Italian colony to its south) in the mid-1990s, under its old name of 'Somaliland', and it's effectively been a separate nation -- although not internationally recognised as such -- since then. It's been internally at peace for most of the last decade, and actually has a properly-elected government.
So, if we could chose which part of the designated country we would be living in, 'Somalia' might not be quite as bad as that after all...

Yes, I know that. When I say "Somalia", I implicitly mean "excluding Somaliland".

It was ruled by communists for a while, now it is ruled by something called the Communist Party of China which has cast aside communism and embraced capitalism, as is immediately evident the moment you come to the country.

Having been to China, I have to say: Yes, indeed.

Yes, I know that. When I say "Somalia", I implicitly mean "excluding Somaliland".
I'm not surprised that you knew...
I wonder whether this thread's OP also knew, and either assumed that everybody else here would do so too or simply forgot to specify "except Somaliland" in the poll?