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Some reasons why I like America:


Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here.
Diversity! No really, If you think that Americans are some kind of hegemonic xenophobic isolationists, I invite you to drive from one side of Atlanta Georgia to the other and count how many different languages you see on building facades
Food is cheap! Between the great plains and the fruit orchards of California, food is plentiful! I bought a fabulous flank steak last week for $8 and it was so big I made three dinners out of it. A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size. And people in Japan pay out of their noses for fresh fruit from California. I love America because I love good cheap food!
Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.
Beautiful Landscape! I know there are many beautiful places all around the world, but there are a fare amount of natural wonders in America! I've been to Alaska, Yellowstone and I've hiked the Appalachian trail. I love nature and America has plenty of it.


Country music! I like American Country Music!


Cool American Pictures:


http://www.segetaway.com/images/GA/Georgia_Map_Flag.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18339.jpg

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1999/photos/garthbrooks.jpg

http://www.aceonsports.com/uploaded_images/tiki_barber-749126.jpg

I agree with your sentiments (except perhaps big vehicles...that's one thing I'd be glad to see go away)...the only difference is that I like classical music and a good play rather than country music. But then again, that's another part of the US that's great; we can have totally different interests and still be able to find someone or somewhere that caters to them.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18339.jpg

Ah, yes, the beautiful American landscape.

I agree with your sentiments (except perhaps big vehicles...that's one thing I'd be glad to see go away)...the only difference is that I like classical music and a good play rather than country music. But then again, that's another part of the US that's great; we can have totally different interests and still be able to find someone or somewhere that caters to them.

totally. I love classical music!

totally. I love classical music!

Awesome.

I love my country, but hate my government. As soon as possible, I plan on leaving the country, setting up an offshore bank account (preferrably in Liechtenstein or Singapore), and never coming back, except to visit relatives.

I hate the big SUVs, I mean honestly they are taking up a parking spot and a half here! God who need cars that big, beside people who actually use them as a part of their job.

I love the USA, because it's the most inexpensive place to fly aircrafts. Mainly because we fund our Air Traffic System and entire Aerospace structure with taxes. They actually talked about having it fund the same way you fund other things like $15 to get IFR clearance, $10 to land $20 to take off etc. Thankfully that was defeated in Congress.

I also like the fact that I can build a house out in the country. I am not a city person and I never will be, I need peace and quiet when I go home.

Finally, I just like the freedom that we have. :)

Some reasons why I like America:

Diversity of Ideals, Goals, Dreams and even lifestyles.

Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here. opposite here. after all, an Island is pretty limiting.
Diversity! No really, If you think that Americans are some kind of hegemonic xenophobic isolationists, I invite you to drive from one side of Atlanta Georgia to the other and count how many different languages you see on building facades and here, spoken.
Food is cheap! Between the great plains and the fruit orchards of California, food is plentiful! I bought a fabulous flank steak last week for $8 and it was so big I made three dinners out of it. A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size. And people in Japan pay out of their noses for fresh fruit from California. I love America because I love good cheap food! well, not that cheap here. due to the fact that most of the stuff is imported. but the selections of food...

Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese (various), Japanese, Okinawan, Philipino, Hawaiian, Mexican, etc...

Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.don't own any guns. (swords and knives are different story :p) but I'll support your right to own em.
Beautiful Landscape! I know there are many beautiful places all around the world, but there are a fare amount of natural wonders in America! I've been to Alaska, Yellowstone and I've hiked the Appalachian trail. I love nature and America has plenty of it. feel free to come here and Hike our trails! :cool:

Country music! I like American Country Music!
and if you don't like that? you have hundreds of other choices to choose from.

I hate the big SUVs, I mean honestly they are taking up a parking spot and a half here! God who need cars that big, beside people who actually use them as a part of their job.


Big SUVs are awesome when your stuck in the snow in Colorado, and if you can afford it, why not buy big SUVs? They are fun!


I love the USA, because it's the most inexpensive place to fly aircrafts. Mainly because we fund our Air Traffic System and entire Aerospace structure with taxes. They actually talked about having it fund the same way you fund other things like $15 to get IFR clearance, $10 to land $20 to take off etc. Thankfully that was defeated in Congress.

thats cool.


I also like the fact that I can build a house out in the country. I am not a city person and I never will be, I need peace and quiet when I go home.

Finally, I just like the freedom that we have. :)

Yes, I love the countryside and freedom! I built a 20 ft trebuchet in the parking lot of my apartment and the police were absolutely cool with it. The landlord loves watching us launch rocks into the woods 400 yrds away. I can't imagine anywhere in Europe where a college student could do that with dealing with some serious red tape.

Ah, yes, the beautiful American landscape.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man! That was funny! :D

And nothing says "we're not hegemonic xenophobes" like the picture of a flag that stands for racism and slavery.

So, I'd rather kindly decline your invite to... ugh... Georgia. That flag said all that needs to be said.

A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size.

LOL

And nothing says "we're not hegemonic xenophobes" like the picture of a flag that stands for racism and slavery.

So, I'd rather kindly decline your invite to... ugh... Georgia. That flag said all that needs to be said.

Yeah, trust me, Georgia's not all that great. I was born there and I never want to go back.

But there are plenty of other climates. Colorado has a great climate, and while it also has its portion of rednecked fools, it doesn't have anywhere near as many AND they're all spread out. Vacation in Glenwood Springs. Lovely place. Absolutely lovely.

And nothing says "we're not hegemonic xenophobes" like the picture of a flag that stands for racism and slavery.

So, I'd rather kindly decline your invite to... ugh... Georgia. That flag said all that needs to be said.

I'm not racist? Flags are dumb anyway. T-shirts are way cooler.

Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese (various), Japanese, Okinawan, Philipino, Hawaiian, Mexican, etc...

And Indian. *nod*

...I'm not kidding.

And Indian. *nod*

...I'm not kidding.

Indian food rocks. You guys sure know how to make a meal.

Yeah, trust me, Georgia's not all that great. I was born there and I never want to go back.

But there are plenty of other climates. Colorado has a great climate, and while it also has its portion of rednecked fools, it doesn't have anywhere near as many AND they're all spread out. Vacation in Glenwood Springs. Lovely place. Absolutely lovely.

Its true! I was actually looking to go to grad school in Colorado. I still like Georgia alot though.

I'm not racist? Flags are dumb anyway. T-shirts are way cooler.

Wait, yes you are. Didn't you admit to it once in some Ron Paul thread? Or am I thinking of someone with a similar name? (It would not be the first time around here. Not by a long shot.)

LOL

Hehehe. Ahh shitty language skills.

Very good observations so far. :)

I've had the opportunity to see basically every inch of this country while driving a truck, and it really is God's Country, to use the phrase. Many truckers come from the UK, Europe and Central/South America to earn a living in the U.S., and most that I met had good things to say about the country and its hospitality, even if most of them were homesick for family, which is natural.

God country music sucks

Big SUVs are awesome when your stuck in the snow in Colorado, and if you can afford it, why not buy big SUVs? They are fun!

Because around here they're driven by soccer moms who have no problems almost driving you off the Interstate when she's trying to change lanes, but God forbid she goes the speed limits on a highway. She usually goes 10 below around here which pisses me off.

Yes, I love the countryside and freedom! I built a 20 ft trebuchet in the parking lot of my apartment and the police were absolutely cool with it. The landlord loves watching us launch rocks into the woods 400 yrds away. I can't imagine anywhere in Europe where a college student could do that with dealing with some serious red tape.

Hehe, and I can't imagine anywhere in Europe where you can build your own airplane out of your own garage like so many of my pilot friends have done.

Yeah, trust me, Georgia's not all that great. I was born there and I never want to go back.

Georgia is awesome because it has me, a good bit of my family, and a lot of my friends.

And....ok, that's about it. =)

Hehe, and I can't imagine anywhere in Europe where you can build your own airplane out of your own garage like so many of my pilot friends have done.

Yeah, thats bad-ass!

And where in Europe can you go off-roading, get drunk and then shoot holes in the beer cans that you just drank out of.

Its true! I was actually looking to go to grad school in Colorado. I still like Georgia alot though.
Colorado has some good schools. It'd be a nice choice.
Georgia is awesome because it has me, a good bit of my family, and a lot of my friends.

And....ok, that's about it. =)
Even the darkest of clouds has a silver lining, Dem, and you are one hell of a silver lining. ;)

God country music sucks

QFT!

QFT!

What, just bluegrass for you?

Yeah, trust me, Georgia's not all that great. I was born there and I never want to go back.

Are we talking Alabama bad or Kansas bad? Because, that's what I think of when someone says "Georgia". Well, that and the Soviet Caucasus.

But there are plenty of other climates. Colorado has a great climate, and while it also has its portion of rednecked fools, it doesn't have anywhere near as many AND they're all spread out.

I have a cousin who lives with her family in Denver. There is a reason I've only visited them once, and it's not because I dislike them.

And nothing says "we're not hegemonic xenophobes" like the picture of a flag that stands for racism and slavery.

So, I'd rather kindly decline your invite to... ugh... Georgia. That flag said all that needs to be said.
for some reason, everytime I see that flag, the theme for 'Dukes of Hazard' starts playing in my head.

And Indian. *nod*

...I'm not kidding.
Hindu? yep, got a great resturant that's literally right around the corner from my apartment.

What, just bluegrass for you?

Hell no. I listen to classic rock, mostly.

I love america because we can kick so many people's asses with our superior firepower. Instead of wasting time with occupation forces we should just have invasion forces -- invade, pillage, leave: rinse & repeat. No one would dare fuck with us then.

Some reasons why I like America:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1999/photos/garthbrooks.jpg
A fat guy looking constipated in front of a large crowd is a reason to like America?
whadaya? A coprophile?


btw, America is a continent not a country.

Some reasons why I like America:


Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here.
Diversity! No really, If you think that Americans are some kind of hegemonic xenophobic isolationists, I invite you to drive from one side of Atlanta Georgia to the other and count how many different languages you see on building facades
Food is cheap! Between the great plains and the fruit orchards of California, food is plentiful! I bought a fabulous flank steak last week for $8 and it was so big I made three dinners out of it. A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size. And people in Japan pay out of their noses for fresh fruit from California. I love America because I love good cheap food!
Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.
Beautiful Landscape! I know there are many beautiful places all around the world, but there are a fare amount of natural wonders in America! I've been to Alaska, Yellowstone and I've hiked the Appalachian trail. I love nature and America has plenty of it.


Country music! I like American Country Music!


Cool American Pictures:


http://www.segetaway.com/images/GA/Georgia_Map_Flag.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18339.jpg

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1999/photos/garthbrooks.jpg

http://www.aceonsports.com/uploaded_images/tiki_barber-749126.jpg

Everything is big because Americans are ridiculously overweight; the diversity is chill, I agree; American steaks are huge and cheap because your meat is factory-farmed in circumstances where the animal leads a disgusting miserable and vile existence culminating with your plate, whereas in Europe responsible policies have been implemented supporting small family-owned farms, thereby giving much-needed money to rural populations, preserving their culture and heritage, as well as avoiding the morally reprehensible concept of factory-farming; Americans value their 'freedom' soooo much, and equate it with their guns, and yet do nothing to stop the steady curtailing of all their rights and freedom taking place under current and past administrations under the guise of counter-terrorism, which is sickening; and America's beautiful landscapes are wasted on a populace intent on covering every available surface with cookie-cutter suburban houses, garbage dumps and 16-lane highways.

Thank you and goodnight.

Are we talking Alabama bad or Kansas bad? Because, that's what I think of when someone says "Georgia". Well, that and the Soviet Caucasus.

Probably more Alabama bad...mix that kind of lack of education in general with the horrible, HORRIBLE climate...


I have a cousin who lives with her family in Denver. There is a reason I've only visited them once, and it's not because I dislike them.

Well, Denver is rather low...I was talking about much higher mountains. But I'm guessing you don't like mountains. What do you like in a climate?

A fat guy looking constipated in front of a large crowd is a reason to like America?
whadaya? A coprophile?


btw, America is a continent not a country.

yeah, whenever I talk about the country I always say United States of America instead of saying the abbreviated form America. this makes conversation much more fluent and less pretentious.

Yeah, thats bad-ass!

And where in Europe can you go off-roading, get drunk and then shoot holes in the beer cans that you just drank out of.

now THATS the america we all know and love!

Hindu? yep, got a great resturant that's literally right around the corner from my apartment.

Err...I wasn't aware people categorized their food by religion. :D

We went to a decent Indian fusion place on the Big Island when we visited last year. I'd imagine in the more populous areas there are more, and of better quality.

I'm still surprised to hear there's a place near where Fass lives that serves khichdi.

I love america because we can kick so many people's asses with our superior firepower. Instead of wasting time with occupation forces we should just have invasion forces -- invade, pillage, leave: rinse & repeat. No one would dare fuck with us then.
Hey, it worked for the Vikings for a coupla hundred years.

Probably more Alabama bad...mix that kind of lack of education in general with the horrible, HORRIBLE climate...

*shudders*

Well, Denver is rather low...I was talking about much higher mountains. But I'm guessing you don't like mountains. What do you like in a climate?

Think New England. I like seasons.

Hell no. I listen to classic rock, mostly.

Classic rock usually lacks banjo, though...

I'm still surprised to hear there's a place near where Fass lives that serves khichdi.

Why? It's not like Indians are a rare, unknown people deep in the jungles of the Amazon. Those are other Indians.

Classic rock usually lacks banjo, though...

Well, since I fear people that play the banjo, .....

:eek:





J/K :p

*shudders*

Yeah, tell me about it...I always do my best to get out of visiting my relatives there.


Think New England. I like seasons.

We have seasons! In fact, Colorado weather can be rather chaotic, at least around here. Not so chaotic that you have crazy weather all the time, but we do definitely have seasons.

But it is rather dry, though. New England is wetter, which I'm guessing is what you prefer.

Think New England. I like seasons.

There's always Jersey. :D

Why? It's not like Indians are a rare, unknown people deep in the jungles of the Amazon. Those are other Indians.

Because we really, really hate the cold.

Other cool stuff from america:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/b/x/bxb11/boa/louvre/graphics/louvre.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Great_Sphinx_Closeup.JPG/380px-Great_Sphinx_Closeup.JPG

http://stardate.org/images/gallery/sun5.jpg

I love america because we can kick so many people's asses with our superior firepower. Instead of wasting time with occupation forces we should just have invasion forces -- invade, pillage, leave: rinse & repeat. No one would dare fuck with us then.

Except when the vikings became Russians, then went Commie a thousand years later. Jerks.

now THATS the america we all know and love!

Indeed. Nothing says "civilized culture" quite like the prompt disposal of one's beverage container.

Probably more Alabama bad...mix that kind of lack of education in general with the horrible, HORRIBLE climate...

Hey! Georgia's pretty bad, but it isn't Alabama.

We have seasons! In fact, Colorado weather can be rather chaotic, at least around here. Not so chaotic that you have crazy weather all the time, but we do definitely have seasons.

But it is rather dry, though. New England is wetter, which I'm guessing is what you prefer.

It was summer when I was in Colorado. I languished.

Why? It's not like Indians are a rare, unknown people deep in the jungles of the Amazon. Well, not these Indians at least.

No, but they are a rare, unknown people in Sweden. ;)

Speaking as an outsider who moved in, I like America because the people are friendly and there's a whole load of "can do" attitude. People are less cynical and embrace passion and exuberance admirably often. Good food, good weather (in the right places).

Hey! Georgia's pretty bad, but it isn't Alabama.
No, it's not. It's more Alabama-like than Kansas-like, which was what he asked.

It was summer when I was in Colorado. I languished.
Yeah, it can get pretty hot even around a kilometre higher than Denver. It's one of the few things I don't like.

But nowhere is perfect. It's better than everywhere else I've lived, climate-wise, and I have lived in many.

Other cool stuff from america:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/b/x/bxb11/boa/louvre/graphics/louvre.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Great_Sphinx_Closeup.JPG/380px-Great_Sphinx_Closeup.JPG

http://stardate.org/images/gallery/sun5.jpg

Those things are not from america you idiot.

Think New England. I like seasons.

Spend a year in New England. You'll be wishing for an even yearly temp. from then on.

There's always Jersey. :D

You shut your face and don't dare mention such ugly things!

Because we really, really hate the cold.

Sweden's not that cold, and since so many Indians can manage the UK climate, Sweden poses no challenge in that area.

No, but they are a rare, unknown people in Sweden. ;)

This gets me wondering just how many of us there are in Sweden.

No, it's not. It's more Alabama-like than Kansas-like, which was what he asked.


Atlanta is nothing like any city in alabama. As for Kansas, outside of Kansas City, its a boring state. However the most boring place I've ever been in America is New Hampshire. There are so covered bridges and thats about it.

No, but they are a rare, unknown people in Sweden. ;)

Someone should tell them that, because they don't seem to have gotten the memo.

Those things are not from america you idiot.
neither, apparently, is facetiousness nor irony.

And nothing says "we're not hegemonic xenophobes" like the picture of a flag that stands for racism and slavery.

So, I'd rather kindly decline your invite to... ugh... Georgia. That flag said all that needs to be said.

Uh no. It stands for heritage and history.

Indeed. Nothing says "civilized culture" quite like the prompt disposal of one's beverage container.

How come when someone tries to act cultured, they always come off as a pretentious tight ass who think they are better than everyone else?

Atlanta is nothing like any city in alabama. As for Kansas, outside of Kansas City, its a boring state. However the most boring place I've ever been in America is New Hampshire. There are so covered bridges and thats about it.

Well, of the two, Georgia is closer to Alabama than Kansas, no pun intended. I never said it was exact, or even really close, but it's clos-ER.

I've been through Kansas once. It's boring. Really freaking boring.

Spend a year in New England. You'll be wishing for an even yearly temp. from then on.

Boston kicks ass! But everyone in New York is pretentious.

How come when someone tries to act cultured, they always come off as a pretentious tight ass who think they are better than everyone else?

Because that's how you view people who are cultured?

Uh no. It stands for heritage and history.
Yes, heritage and history. A heritage full of racism, bigotry, and slavery, and a history of oppression.

Whatever sentiments you may associate with the Stars and Bars, lad, to the rest of us it's not seen in a kind light.

You shut your face and don't dare mention such ugly things!

Now, now. As much as I agree it's not the best place in the world, it's still my place in the world, and it's lovely from where I'm sitting. At my desk :D.

Sweden's not that cold, and since so many Indians can manage the UK climate, Sweden poses no challenge in that area.

True, though it's still surprising. It's really nothing against Sweden. I'm just as surprised to find Indians living in France outside of Paris, or in other parts of Europe.
Certain regions make sense. I mean we're spread out all over the US, there are a ton of us in the UK, and both of those make sense to some extent, the UK because of the fact that India was under Britain's thumb for a long time, and the US because it's the "land of opportunities."
There used to be a lot of Indians in Kenya too, back when it was still heavily influenced by England. Still, I'd be surprised to find Indians in other parts of Africa, or in South America.

Spend a year in New England.

Once upon a time I would have jumped at the opportunity. Not so much any more.

You'll be wishing for an even yearly temp. from then on.

I live in Northern Europe. I can handle temperature swings quite nicely, thanks.

Uh no. It stands for heritage and history.

Yeah. Racist heritage and history where "heritage and history" apparently starts in the 1950's.

Those things are not from america you idiot.

Well, actually, the USA is 'one nation under God'. This implies that God is the most important being in the US. However, we know that the President of the USA is the most important person in the US. So, we can assume God is de facto US president. As the President must be American, God must be American. As God created everything, therefore everything is from America.

*nods*

However the most boring place I've ever been in America is New Hampshire. There are so covered bridges and thats about it.

Obviously, you haven't spent much time in New Hampshire. Did you know that's where the first game of paintball was played (back in 1981)? There's auto racing, skiing/snowboarding, camping, amusement parks, etc.

Uh no. It stands for heritage and history.

Yes, racist heritage and slave-owning history.

"Your heritage is hate. Burn it!"

Uh no. It stands for heritage and history.

Of racism and slavery, yes.

Obviously, you haven't spent much time in New Hampshire. Did you know that's where the first game of paintball was played (back in 1981)? There's auto racing, skiing/snowboarding, camping, amusement parks, etc.

You're absolutely right, I drove through it and spent 3 days there. I saw nothing. America is so fucking huge.

Boston kicks ass! But everyone in New York is pretentious.

In that post, I'm talking about temperature, not city/sports rivalries.

How come when someone tries to act cultured, they always come off as a pretentious tight ass who think they are better than everyone else?

That says more about your resentments than them.

Well, actually, the USA is 'one nation under God'. This implies that God is the most important being in the US. However, we know that the President of the USA is the most important person in the US. So, we can assume God is de facto US president. As the President must be American, God must be American. As God created everything, therefore everything is from America.

*nods*
Faulty logic. How would the world ever work without it?

How come when someone tries to act cultured, they always come off as a pretentious tight ass who think they are better than everyone else?

Generally because they are.

Since when is criticizing someone for acting like an animal being pretentious?

Well, actually, the USA is 'one nation under God'. This implies that God is the most important being in the US. However, we know that the President of the USA is the most important person in the US. So, we can assume God is de facto US president. As the President must be American, God must be American. As God created everything, therefore everything is from America.

*nods*

You read me like a book. Go America!!!

Probably because they're often pretentious and want to be better than other people.

You say "want to be better than other people" like it's a bad thing. Communist.

Whats all this Georgia flag hate?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/gero/nrcshhm/directory/States_Images/ga-flag.gif

Is this offensive?

Are we suppose to cover up our history, deny it ever happened?

I like to think that that our flags stands for independence and state pride.

Yes, racist heritage and slave-owning history.

"Your heritage is hate. Burn it!"

Right.
Unlike other countries.

Right.
Unlike other countries.

Did I say their case was unique?

How come when someone tries to act cultured, they always come off as a pretentious tight ass who think they are better than everyone else?

Probably because they're often pretentious and want to be better than other people.

Generally because they are.

Since when is criticizing someone for acting like an animal being pretentious?

It's not.

Also, I'm not surprised that this thread started to descend from the nice fun conversation into the usual NSG territory. I am surprised it took till the third page, though.

Whats all this Georgia flag hate?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/gero/nrcshhm/directory/States_Images/ga-flag.gif

Is this offensive?

Are we suppose to cover up our history, deny it ever happened?

I like to think that that our flags stands for independence and state pride.

Of course not. Denying it ever happened would be like holocaust denial. Unlike the south, Germans have the good sense to be ashamed of that history.

Are we suppose to cover up our history, deny it ever happened?

Of course not.

But if it's genuinely "your" history in a substantive sense, you should be ashamed of it. Not take pride in it.

That says more about your resentments than them.

Oh please, I have never met a "cultured" person who just wanted to sit back and crack open a cold one with the guys. They have this air of superiority around them and they act like I should be thankful that they're even talking to me.

I'm not exactly redneck, but I'm not "cultured" either, I'm right in the middle.

Of course not. Denying it ever happened would be like holocaust denial. Unlike the south, Germans have the good sense to be ashamed of that history.

Yeah I don't get that. I am not sorry for something my ancestors did. I didn't even know them.

Did I say their case was unique?

No.
But I think I just did. :p

Oh please, I have never met a "cultured" person who just wanted to sit back and crack open a cold one with the guys. They have this air of superiority around them and they act like I should be thankful that they're even talking to me.

I'm not exactly redneck, but I'm not "cultured" either, I'm right in the middle.

That would largely be because kicking back and sharing a case of Becks isn't cultured.

Are you seriously criticizing people who are "cultured" for not doing things that aren't cultured in the first place? That's like criticizing someone for NOT being a hypocrite. Sheesh.

the North needs a flag we can rally to. Not the Union flag, but something else.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/gero/nrcshhm/directory/States_Images/ga-flag.gif

Is this offensive?

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Minutemen%20rally%202-709064.jpg

That's what it belongs with.

Are we suppose to cover up our history, deny it ever happened?

You're not supposed to flaunt and be proud of treason due to racism and slavery, no.

I like to think that that our flags stands for independence and state pride.

Yeah, what you like to think isn't what is.

Of course not.

But if it's genuinely "your" history in a substantive sense, you should be ashamed of it. Not take pride in it.

Oh I see, good point.

Also, I'm not surprised that this thread started to descend from the nice fun conversation into the usual NSG territory. I am surprised it took till the third page, though.

Moar Emoticons! :)

*throws popcorn at everyone within, well...the distance that popcorn can travel when flung*

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Yeah, what you like to think isn't what is.

Flags are like abstract art. They can mean whatever you want them to.

I love america because we can kick so many people's asses with our superior firepower. Instead of wasting time with occupation forces we should just have invasion forces -- invade, pillage, leave: rinse & repeat. No one would dare fuck with us then.

And that would be why no one else in the world likes you

Flags are like abstract art. They can mean whatever you want them to.

http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/local/images/symbols/nazi_flag_s.png

New motto: For Jew rights.

Of course not. Denying it ever happened would be like holocaust denial. Unlike the south, Germans have the good sense to be ashamed of that history.

That's a little unfair to Germany though. They have a rich history stretching back well over a millennia...it's not fair to confine them to one madman's score of villainy.

Oh please, I have never met a "cultured" person who just wanted to sit back and crack open a cold one with the guys. They have this air of superiority around them and they act like I should be thankful that they're even talking to me.

So, you're bitching over their lack of hypocrisy? How inane.

That's a little unfair to Germany though. They have a rich history stretching back well over a millennia...it's not fair to confine them to one madman's score of villainy.

It would be if they were still flaunting swastikas. They aren't, though, which is the point.

http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/local/images/symbols/nazi_flag_s.png

New motto: For Jew rights.

lol

I love it!

:fluffle:

Awww...

LOL what a tool

Corporate socialism.
Not the way to make a living. :headbang:

It would be if they were still flaunting swastikas. They aren't, though, which is the point.

...so you agree with me, then, that it isn't fair to Germany?

That said, I do think the South should, you know, actually face the fact that they did some horrible things in their past and accept it. This praise for the Stars and Bars is sickening. The Stars and Bars is like some sort of disgusted perversion of the Stars and Stripes. I know the American flag is hardly a symbol of freedom and democracy in and of itself, but it at least is still respectable.

Those things are not from america you idiot.

LOL what a tool

edit: oh wait, its the country music loving redneck op, that explains everything

Yes, heritage and history. A heritage full of racism, bigotry, and slavery, and a history of oppression.

Whatever sentiments you may associate with the Stars and Bars, lad, to the rest of us it's not seen in a kind light.

It's funny you say that with regards to Georgia, as Atlanta has been for quite a while "The city too busy to hate," and Georgia Tech, where I go to school, has the largest African American engineering enrollment in the United States and was one of the first public universities to voluntarilly integrate. Indeed, Georgia was a part of the solution to America's race problems back when Martin Luther King was marching through DC and LBJ, a texan, was bridging the legal gaps between whites and blacks. There's a lot of history here in Atlanta, and just because somebody else sees something very different in a flag then you do does not mean they are bigoted or racist. Oh, and just to tell you, of Georgia's 9 million people, more then 6 million live right here in Atlanta, so you could say the city slickers are a majority.

And anyways, what place isn't full of racism and oppresion? Heck, with California's mass-slaughter of Chinese workers that the business no longer wanted to pay ("Going to hell in a hambasket"), maybe we should consider the California state flag a symbol of racism as well. After all, it was the state government of California that sanctioned and supported both actions, by reducing the penalty for killing a Chinese man to a small fine that could easilly be less then you were paying them, and not actively investigating immigrant deaths.

My favourite part of America is...

the 24 NHL teams.

It's funny you say that with regards to Georgia, as Atlanta has been for quite a while "The city too busy to hate," and Georgia Tech, where I go to school, has the largest African American engineering enrollment in the United States and was one of the first public universities to voluntarilly integrate. Indeed, Georgia was a part of the solution to America's race problems back when Martin Luther King was marching through DC and LBJ, a texan, was bridging the legal gaps between whites and blacks. There's a lot of history here in Atlanta, and just because somebody else sees something very different in a flag then you do does not mean they are bigoted or racist. Oh, and just to tell you, of Georgia's 9 million people, more then 6 million live right here in Atlanta, so you could say the city slickers are a majority.

And anyways, what place isn't full of racism and oppresion? Heck, with California's mass-slaughter of Chinese workers that the business no longer wanted to pay ("Going to hell in a hambasket"), maybe we should consider the California state flag a symbol of racism as well. After all, it was the state government of California that sanctioned and supported both actions, by reducing the penalty for killing a Chinese man to a small fine that could easilly be less then you were paying them, and not actively investigating immigrant deaths.

Let me make one thing clear: I am not attempting to state that the Confederate States was the only government to ever commit vile acts. That said, the acts of one does not somehow excuse the other, and saying "They did it too!" just makes your argument look pathetic.

Furthermore, California did not drag the U.S. into a four year long bloody war.

That stuff put aside, ALL governments responsible for this sort of thing ought to stand up and accept their history for what it is, and then move on. Rather than continuing to flaunt and claim that it "wasn't that bad" we should accept the truth and make the world a better place.

Awww...
you lost me

It's funny you say that with regards to Georgia, as Atlanta has been for quite a while "The city too busy to hate," and Georgia Tech, where I go to school, has the largest African American engineering enrollment in the United States and was one of the first public universities to voluntarilly integrate. Indeed, Georgia was a part of the solution to America's race problems back when Martin Luther King was marching through DC and LBJ, a texan, was bridging the legal gaps between whites and blacks. There's a lot of history here in Atlanta, and just because somebody else sees something very different in a flag then you do does not mean they are bigoted or racist. Oh, and just to tell you, of Georgia's 9 million people, more then 6 million live right here in Atlanta, so you could say the city slickers are a majority.

And anyways, what place isn't full of racism and oppresion? Heck, with California's mass-slaughter of Chinese workers that the business no longer wanted to pay ("Going to hell in a hambasket"), maybe we should consider the California state flag a symbol of racism as well. After all, it was the state government of California that sanctioned and supported both actions, by reducing the penalty for killing a Chinese man to a small fine that could easilly be less then you were paying them, and not actively investigating immigrant deaths.

I like you. Do you wanna be friends?

America isn't so great. The conservatism on race and gender issues (stuff it is no longer cool to be intolerant about) has transferred itself to less harmful things, like underage drinking. Hypocritical cops arrest kids for drinking while they were "in that exact spot, 20 years earlier, drinking with those kids' parents."

Americans economize their time far too much. This is, of course, a result of the higher wage rate paid to Americans, since a sacrifice of time for leisure in America incurs a higher implied cost in terms of wages lost than in another country, but that doesn't make it suck any less when I hear of Spaniards going to discotécas until four in the morning nearly every day on weekends.

America, at least the section I am so unfortunate to inhabit, is full of provincial, uncouth rednecks who seem to practically orgasm over their right to own a gun. If I had a nickel for every time I'd gotten into a fight with one of these brutes because he failed to adequately understand what I was communicating to him, I'd have about 30 cents.

American humor is not nearly as funny as British humor. Only the basest of jokes make it into the mainstream because they must be reduced to the least common denominator so as to interest the maximum amount of viewers, and thus draw the maximum amount of advertising dollars. Irony, understatement, and self-depracation have little place next to Larry the Cable Guy.

Jesus Christ, let's finish it with the SUVs already. If I had a nickel for every time I saw some liposuctioned, face-lifted soccer mom driving a Ford Explorer around with a smug look of entitlement on her face, and no one else in the car, I'd have significantly more than 30 cents.

All told, I'd rather be British. Or Spanish. Nothing else though, since I'd be somewhat unable to communicate. In absence of direct experience, I probably idealize these countries, but a glorified ideal is better than a grim present, eh?

Yes Master. I...I'm your bitch.

America isn't so great. The conservatism on race and gender issues (stuff it is no longer cool to be intolerant about) has transferred itself to less harmful things, like underage drinking. Hypocritical cops arrest kids for drinking while they were "in that exact spot, 20 years earlier, drinking with those kids' parents."

Americans economize their time far too much. This is, of course, a result of the higher wage rate paid to Americans, since a sacrifice of time for leisure in America incurs a higher implied cost in terms of wages lost than in another country, but that doesn't make it suck any less when I hear of Spaniards going to discotécas until four in the morning nearly every day on weekends.

America, at least the section I am so unfortunate to inhabit, is full of provincial, uncouth rednecks who seem to practically orgasm over their right to own a gun. If I had a nickel for every time I'd gotten into a fight with one of these brutes because he failed to adequately understand what I was communicating to him, I'd have about 30 cents.

American humor is not nearly as funny as British humor. Only the basest of jokes make it into the mainstream because they must be reduced to the least common denominator so as to interest the maximum amount of viewers, and thus draw the maximum amount of advertising dollars. Irony, understatement, and self-depracation have little place next to Larry the Cable Guy.

Jesus Christ, let's finish it with the SUVs already. If I had a nickel for every time I saw some liposuctioned, face-lifted soccer mom driving a Ford Explorer around with a smug look of entitlement on her face, and no one else in the car, I'd have significantly more than 30 cents.

All told, I'd rather be British. Or Spanish. Nothing else though, since I'd be somewhat unable to communicate. In absence of direct experience, I probably idealize these countries, but a glorified ideal is better than a grim present, eh?

...so you agree with me, then, that it isn't fair to Germany?

I don't agree with you because he wasn't doing what you accuse him of.

I know the American flag is hardly a symbol of freedom and democracy in and of itself,

Thank you for saving me the time.

but it at least is still respectable.

I guess in the USA, in the form of ubiquitous lapel pins worn by douches...

you lost me

Good. :p

I don't agree with you because he wasn't doing what you accuse him of.

True. He wasn't. People have, however, and I was talking more about that general sentiment. Though to be honest I took my argument straight from a German friend of mine...rewritten in my own words, but still...


Thank you for saving me the time.

I'm glad I could help.


I guess in the USA, in the form of ubiquitous lapel pins worn by douches...
Oh, bah. Suit yourself.

...so you agree with me, then, that it isn't fair to Germany?

That said, I do think the South should, you know, actually face the fact that they did some horrible things in their past and accept it. This praise for the Stars and Bars is sickening. The Stars and Bars is like some sort of disgusted perversion of the Stars and Stripes. I know the American flag is hardly a symbol of freedom and democracy in and of itself, but it at least is still respectable.

Nope.

The Stars and Bars are viewed with pride.

Also, your views on Southerners are wrong. Southerners are some of the friendliest people you can meet.

Love live the South.

Nope.

The Stars and Bars are viewed with pride.

Also, your views on Southerners are wrong. Southerners are some of the friendliest people you can meet.

Love live the South.

Every region has their assholes. They just excrete different shades of shit.

Yeah, thats bad-ass!

And where in Europe can you go off-roading, get drunk and then shoot holes in the beer cans that you just drank out of.

I may have grew up as what is commonly reffered to as a "hick" here with all the connotations it implies including the large fourwheel drives (still have a diesel 2500 and a rock Jeep)

But even I was taught to never ever EVER drive or operate a firearm while drunk

The Stars and Bars are viewed with pride.

That's the wretchedness and indecency we're pointing out, yes.

Nope.

The Stars and Bars are viewed with pride.
Not by me. Both sides of my family fought for the Confederacy(with the exception of the Cherokee ancestor, of course) and it makes me sick.

Also, your views on Southerners are wrong. Southerners are some of the friendliest people you can meet.

Oh, sure, they're friendly, unless you're not white. Or not Christian. Or not heterosexual. Or not anything that's not just like them. My Southern relatives couldn't hold themselves back in lavishing affections on me until I told them I was an atheist. After that I was treated cordially in front of my parents and with disdain when they weren't around.

Love live the South.

Fuck the South in its current state. Try growing up and joining us in the twenty-first century, and then maybe I'll sing the song.

That's the wretchedness and indecency we're pointing out, yes.

Pfft.

Whatev.

You say "want to be better than other people" like it's a bad thing. Communist.

My tone of voice obviously does not come through in text.

Oh please, I have never met a "cultured" person who just wanted to sit back and crack open a cold one with the guys.

I have. A few of my professors were very cultured, but still liked to chill and have a beer with the guys. Or the girls, depending.

Being cultured doesn't make you a pretentious ass, it's just that a lot of pretentious asses want to be seen as cultured, so there's some overlap between the two groups.

It's funny you say that with regards to Georgia, as Atlanta has been for quite a while "The city too busy to hate," and Georgia Tech, where I go to school, has the largest African American engineering enrollment in the United States and was one of the first public universities to voluntarilly integrate. Indeed, Georgia was a part of the solution to America's race problems back when Martin Luther King was marching through DC and LBJ, a texan, was bridging the legal gaps between whites and blacks. There's a lot of history here in Atlanta, and just because somebody else sees something very different in a flag then you do does not mean they are bigoted or racist. Oh, and just to tell you, of Georgia's 9 million people, more then 6 million live right here in Atlanta, so you could say the city slickers are a majority.

And anyways, what place isn't full of racism and oppresion? Heck, with California's mass-slaughter of Chinese workers that the business no longer wanted to pay ("Going to hell in a hambasket"), maybe we should consider the California state flag a symbol of racism as well. After all, it was the state government of California that sanctioned and supported both actions, by reducing the penalty for killing a Chinese man to a small fine that could easilly be less then you were paying them, and not actively investigating immigrant deaths.

Interestingly enough, it wasn't generally people in the Atlanta area who have kept pushing for the 1950's flag or some version of it. It was people from rural areas in GA who pushed Sonny to make it an issue again, and it is those people who continue to push it.


Nope.

The Stars and Bars are viewed with pride.

Pride in racism. That's why, in the 50's, it was incorporated into state flags of racist governments across the south.

I love this country, but we are being led into the ground by a group of fanatical nutjobs who are more concerned with exploiting the global economy and keeping the people docile.

I have a hard time living in a country:
Where a major political party can't figure out if waterboarding is torture
Where the only opposition to that party can't figure out what a spine is.
That turned their back on the world, even after they showed us sympathy
Where people still get kill eachother to get out of the ghetto
Where cancer patients get no medical care
Etc...

But, America is the most diverse, friendly, funny, beautiful, and coolest place I know in the world.

Some reasons why I like America:


Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here.
Diversity! No really, If you think that Americans are some kind of hegemonic xenophobic isolationists, I invite you to drive from one side of Atlanta Georgia to the other and count how many different languages you see on building facades
Food is cheap! Between the great plains and the fruit orchards of California, food is plentiful! I bought a fabulous flank steak last week for $8 and it was so big I made three dinners out of it. A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size. And people in Japan pay out of their noses for fresh fruit from California. I love America because I love good cheap food!
Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.
Beautiful Landscape! I know there are many beautiful places all around the world, but there are a fare amount of natural wonders in America! I've been to Alaska, Yellowstone and I've hiked the Appalachian trail. I love nature and America has plenty of it.


Country music! I like American Country Music!


Cool American Pictures:


http://www.segetaway.com/images/GA/Georgia_Map_Flag.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18339.jpg

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1999/photos/garthbrooks.jpg

http://www.aceonsports.com/uploaded_images/tiki_barber-749126.jpg

Economic, political and social freedoms, yes even today, tomorrow.

I used to work with 2 North Koreans and a nice Vietnamese lady, We used to share storys of North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba and found alot of comon storys. The nice Vietnamese lady would always say to me Cuba and Vietnam are the same their is no freedom, what I lke most about America is the freedom, and that no matter where you come from North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam we are all Americans, in Vietnam if you are Vietnamese you are Vietnamese, if you are Chinese you are Chinese thats the way it is.

Some reasons why I like America:


Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here.
Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.



in other words, you have a small dick.

in other words, you have a small dick.

Nice personal attack. :rolleyes:

I'll save my flag humpery 'till I move to Alaska.

The first item on the OP's list is actually one of the things I most strongly dislike about the USA. So many people here seem obsessed with taking up far more space than they need, using far more resources than they need, and flaunting what I can only assume must be some pretty serious personal inadequacy issues by constantly buying THE BIGGEST and THE LOUDEST.

Yeah I don't get that. I am not sorry for something my ancestors did. I didn't even know them.

Yeah, I've never understood that whole 'be ashamed for generation and generations unto the 7th generation" crap..
I think it's the guilty born-again mindset,lol.
The worst thing about a national culture of 'feel ashamed' is the backlash..
The Nazi party didn't rise to power in a healthy cultural environment, they rose to power in a nation that got royally stomped in WWI.
And they're enjoying quite the resurgence in the youth of TODAY'S Germany, who are sick and tired of a national identity of guilt for something their grandparents did..
Kinda funny , how we sit and blithely watch history repeat itself and glorify guilt despite the long term consequences....

All told, I'd rather be British. Or Spanish. Nothing else though, since I'd be somewhat unable to communicate. In absence of direct experience, I probably idealize these countries, but a glorified ideal is better than a grim present, eh?

No, actually a glorified ideal is just how the lazy opt out of having to think....

Yeah, I've never understood that whole 'be ashamed for generation and generations unto the 7th generation" crap..
I think it's the guilty born-again mindset,lol.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

It's not about endless self-flagellation for the wrongs of one's ancestors, it's about realizing that your own heritage is probably not perfect. It's about realizing that pretty much every culture and country has some icky mistakes in its past.

Being aware of past mistakes doesn't mean you have to let yourself be consumed with guilt over them.


The worst thing about a national culture of 'feel ashamed' is the backlash..
The Nazi party didn't rise to power in a healthy cultural environment, they rose to power in a nation that got royally stomped in WWI.

And a large part of the problem was that people were frantically looking for a scapegoat so they wouldn't have to face the mistakes that their own people had made.


And they're enjoying quite the resurgence in the youth of TODAY'S Germany, who are sick and tired of a national identity of guilt for something their grandparents did..
Kinda funny , how we sit and blithely watch history repeat itself and glorify guilt despite the long term consequences....
What's this "we" stuff?

I believe in teaching history accurately. Germany did some deeply fucked up shit, and I hope NOBODY ever forgets about it. Badgering modern German kids and telling them they're awful people because the Holocaust happened is pointless, and it certainly doesn't represent good education. But allowing them to brush it off, minimize it, or blame it on others doesn't really help either.

Oh please, I have never met a "cultured" person who just wanted to sit back and crack open a cold one with the guys.
maybe because 'the guys' want to talk about nothing more than really banal dribble that holds little or no interest to the 'cultured' person.
I'm hardly a 'cultured' person, but the idea of sitting round, drinking US beer and waffling 'bout cars, football and girls* does not interest me in the slightest.
Guess that makes me pretentious.


(*if on the other hand it was Grolsch and the topics were OC paddling, travel, books, film and/or food then I'd only be too happy to)

I may have grew up as what is commonly reffered to as a "hick" here with all the connotations it implies including the large fourwheel drives (still have a diesel 2500 and a rock Jeep)

But even I was taught to never ever EVER drive or operate a firearm while drunk

There is a safe limit. Kind of like .07 BAC for driving. As long as your not too drunk.

in other words, you have a small dick.

hey, I was told that 6.5 inches was average.

Oh, sure, they're friendly, unless you're not white. Or not Christian. Or not heterosexual. Or not anything that's not just like them.

Stereotype much?

It's truly heart-warming to see some appreciation of America out there. Admittedly, I prefer Classical Music and Chinese culture, but America is my homeland, and not even a Chinese democracy could change that.

Stereotype much?

Of course. Why focus on the good people when you can just bitch and moan about the bad ones? After all, everybody knows that in order to be happy, EVERYONE must like you.

Some reasons why I like America:


Everything is big! bathrooms, trucks, hallways, camping sites. We have plenty of elbow room here.Nutella jars are 13 grams smaller than the smallest European ones.
Diversity! No really, If you think that Americans are some kind of hegemonic xenophobic isolationists, I invite you to drive from one side of Atlanta Georgia to the other and count how many different languages you see on building facadesProbably still less than you can find people wanting to make English the official language
Food is cheap! Between the great plains and the fruit orchards of California, food is plentiful! I bought a fabulous flank steak last week for $8 and it was so big I made three dinners out of it. A steak that big in Paris or London would cost twice as much and be half the size. And people in Japan pay out of their noses for fresh fruit from California. I love America because I love good cheap food!Food is usually cheaper in areas with plenty of space to grow it. Not a bad thing, though.
Guns! and the right to use them. I own multiple guns, I am very proud of them, and by golly if you break into my apartment I will shoot you and then call the police.Yay. Going out puts you in danger of an angry, gun-totin' dad not keen on how you're handling his daughter...
Beautiful Landscape! I know there are many beautiful places all around the world, but there are a fare amount of natural wonders in America! I've been to Alaska, Yellowstone and I've hiked the Appalachian trail. I love nature and America has plenty of it.Unfortunately, there's little effort to prevent it from being depleted :(

Country music! I like American Country Music!I hate it, and so does the rest of the American side of my family.


http://www.segetaway.com/images/GA/Georgia_Map_Flag.jpgFlag's outdated.

This one, on the other hand, is still valid:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/robindelawilliams.jpg

Things I liked about America:

Very little smoking. You could actually come home from a party not smelling like ash tray.
Shopping! I could buy food whenever I was hungry.

Ah, yes, the beautiful American landscape.

New Limacon should write quotes for magazines.