NationStates Jolt Archive

"I voted for Chavez for President, but not now. Because they told me that if the reform passes, they're going to take my son, because he will belong to the state," said Gladys Castro last week, a Colombian immigrant who has lived in Venezuela for 16 years, and cleans houses for a living.

Gladys is not the only one to believe the false rumors she's heard. Thousands of Venezuelans, many of them Chavez supporters, have bought the exaggerations and lies about Venezuela's Constitutional Reform that have been circulating across the country for months. Just a few weeks ago, however, the disinformation campaign ratcheted up various notches as opposition groups and anti-reform coalitions placed large ads in major Venezuelan papers.

The most scandalous was an anonymous two-page spread in the country's largest circulation newspaper, Últimas Noticias, which claimed about the Constitutional Reform:

"If you are a Mother, YOU LOSE! Because you will lose your house, your family and your children (children will belong to the state)."

The illegal ad, which was caught and suspended by the Venezuelan National Electoral Council (CNE) after a few days in the press, has received relatively high-profile attention in the Venezuelan press, and even Chavez joked about it last Friday on the nightly pro-Chavez talk show, La Hojilla. What appears to have gone completely ignored, however, is the fact that the ad itself was placed by an organization which has at its core, dozens of subsidiaries of the largest US corporations working in Venezuela.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2904

well seeing as how its made him so much publicity maybe other politicians should start eating children

Not surprised one bit. You can scratch that smear campaign off as "successful" PLUS Venezuala found out about it! I guess those relations with the U.S.'ll just keep going down. Smooth move, Bush. What are they now, -80? :rolleyes:

Hmm, this is very reminiscent of the CIA's spreading of anti-Mosaddeq propoganda after he nationalized Iranian oil in the 1950's, paving the way for decades of theocratic tyranny in the country.

This recent anti-Venezuelan activity is just another example of corporate imperialism sacrificing justice and democracy for profit.

I should have just posted this in the first place instead of making the stupid joke.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9852/smearbq5.png

Given that over two-hundred and fifty firms are represented the CIEC, and a mere tiny element of that organization are American firms. It's rather much of a misrepresentation in that article.

And the ad itself is actually expressing concerns about the issues the Bolivar is facing with inflation.

In fact, it's interesting that this article only focuses on a single ad, yet, midway through it admits that illegal advertising was carried out by sides on the issue of the Constitutional referendum.

AP, here is how you do an ad hominem attack:

1) You see that the link is from Venezuelanalysis.com.
2) You look for an "About Us" link.
3) You see which groups run the website. These groups are "Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global" (or "Center for Global Justice") and Aporrea.org (maintained by "grassroot groups in Venezuela".
4) You go to the former's website (http://www.globaljusticecenter.org/indexing.htm)).
5) You check up this bandwidth provider, find out that "aporrea" stands for something along the lines of "Asamblea Popular Revolucionario" (sorry, their website is down so I can't check the full acronym) so some sort of "people's revolutionary assembly". Then you check out the wiki page (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aporrea) (use Babelfish if you must). If you want, you can also read an interview with the boss of apporea here (http://www.narconews.com/Issue29/article742.html).
6) You observe that Venezuelanalysis doesn't is run by anti-capitalist, left radicals and based on capacity provided by a pro-Chávez network designed to be his mouthpiece. You therefore conclude that the website is unlikely to offer unbiased or fair reporting on the situation in the country.

AP, here is how you do an ad hominem attack:

1) You see that the link is from Venezuelanalysis.com.
2) You look for an "About Us" link.
3) You see which groups run the website. These groups are "Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global" (or "Center for Global Justice") and Aporrea.org (maintained by "grassroot groups in Venezuela".
4) You go to the former's website (http://www.globaljusticecenter.org/indexing.htm)).
5) You check up this bandwidth provider, find out that "aporrea" stands for something along the lines of "Asamblea Popular Revolucionario" (sorry, their website is down so I can't check the full acronym) so some sort of "people's revolutionary assembly". Then you check out the wiki page (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aporrea) (use Babelfish if you must). If you want, you can also read an interview with the boss of apporea here (http://www.narconews.com/Issue29/article742.html).
6) You observe that Venezuelanalysis doesn't is run by anti-capitalist, left radicals and based on capacity provided by a pro-Chávez network designed to be his mouthpiece. You therefore conclude that the website is unlikely to offer unbiased or fair reporting on the situation in the country.
Sssh! Make jokes, damn it! Don't correct him!

AP, here is how you do an ad hominem attack:

1) You see that the link is from Venezuelanalysis.com.
2) You look for an "About Us" link.
3) You see which groups run the website. These groups are "Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global" (or "Center for Global Justice") and Aporrea.org (maintained by "grassroot groups in Venezuela".
4) You go to the former's website (http://www.globaljusticecenter.org/indexing.htm)).
5) You check up this bandwidth provider, find out that "aporrea" stands for something along the lines of "Asamblea Popular Revolucionario" (sorry, their website is down so I can't check the full acronym) so some sort of "people's revolutionary assembly". Then you check out the wiki page (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aporrea) (use Babelfish if you must). If you want, you can also read an interview with the boss of apporea here (http://www.narconews.com/Issue29/article742.html).
6) You observe that Venezuelanalysis doesn't is run by anti-capitalist, left radicals and based on capacity provided by a pro-Chávez network designed to be his mouthpiece. You therefore conclude that the website is unlikely to offer unbiased or fair reporting on the situation in the country.

You mean like every link you post?

Últimas Noticias? Yeesh. I thought US newspapers had the most pretentious names, but maybe not.

And the C.I.E.C. really needs to update certain portions of their website.

You mean like every link you post?

Oh, brilliant retort, mate! Can you back up your words with evidence like he did for his?

You mean like every link you post?

So you post the equivalent "I know you are but what am I"? Not exactly helping your case

So you post the equivalent "I know you are but what am I"? Not exactly helping your case

He should try the "I know I am, but what are you?"
It really throws people for a loop and if you say it to the philosophizing type, they can be occupied for hours.

He should try the "I know I am, but what are you?"
It really throws people for a loop and if you say it to the philosophizing type, they can be occupied for hours.

I'm very much the philosophizing type, and it only occupied me for about two seconds.