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Camp David was somewhat a diplomatic success for Jimmy carter..
Can Bush achieve something similar?

post here your Questions and Answers about the Annapolis peace conference.

Annapolis Primed for Peace Talks
City and Naval Academy Chosen for Their Place in U.S. History
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, November 26, 2007

Inside the ornate Memorial Hall at the U.S. Naval Academy, where delegates for the Middle East peace conference are to gather tomorrow, a large blue flag hangs, bearing words immortal in American history: "DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP."
The flag is not intended as a message to the parties who abandoned the peace process in 2000, U.S. State Department officials said.

Yet symbolism was a major reason that Annapolis, the 300-year-old city on the Severn River, was chosen as the setting for the conference, which is to be attended by President Bush, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501583.html?hpid=topnews

My first question is:
Will Bush succeed? My bet is: he will fail miserably.

My question is why they don't seek a one state peace negotiation. This two state thing has only caused problem after problem. I would like them to have a gov't style similar to Lebanon's, where the power is shared by the various groups.

Given that Bush, Abbas and Olmert all have domestic approval ratings hovering around 30%, I seriously doubt that any form of success will come out of this conference, although, we can still hope.

At least they're still talking.

Considering that Mahmoud Abbas is only representing the Western Bank region of Palestine, these peace talks will fail by default.

Of course, inviting a Hamas representative would be negotiating with a recognised terrorist organisation.

So no, I seriously doubt we'll be seeing any major progress with these talks.

I for one hope to see peace finally settled in a way that benefits both parties whilst also ushering in a wave of global peace and stability

I also ponder what would happen if we have another assassination of an Israeli peacemaker

Given that Bush, Abbas and Olmert all have domestic approval ratings hovering around 30%, I seriously doubt that any form of success will come out of this conference, although, we can still hope.

At least they're still talking.About abbas,

The most of Palestine voted for Hamas.. why is Hamas not represented at the table?

About abbas,

The most of Palestine voted for Hamas.. why is Hamas not represented at the table?

Most of Palestine voted for Hamas because of why though? Because they like dem turrists? Naw, its because there is a desperate situation in Palestine, as no jobs, no money, no food, etc. Thats why I say there needs to be one state, with a power sharing gov't, and all US money given to Israel for military purposes will be diverted into a fund to build up the economy and infrastructure of the Palestinian areas. If they have livable conditions, then will be in desperation to kill and fight? I think not.

About abbas,

The most of Palestine voted for Hamas.. why is Hamas not represented at the table?

Because Hamas is irreconcilable with the existence of Israel.

My first question is:
Will Bush succeed? My bet is: he will fail miserably.

Much as I can't stand the man; I hope he succeeds.

Pfff, like anything will come of this.

I do know from talking to someone who sat in on the preliminary talks in the summer and early fall that Israel is willing to give up East Jerusalem. Something could be done here, but my guess is this conference will not establish anything other than the scheduling of future ones.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13247302']Pfff, like anything will come of this.Well, normally when there are "peace initiatives" a week or two later Palestinian houses in the West Bank get demolished and the Jewish settlements there get expanded. Just wait, it will be as it always has been.

Well, normally when there are "peace initiatives" a week or two later Palestinian houses in the West Bank get demolished and the Jewish settlements there get expanded. Just wait, it will be as it always has been.

Sometimes. About 50% of the time.

Every other time, Hamas blows something up. The end result being the same, of course.

My question is why they don't seek a one state peace negotiation. This two state thing has only caused problem after problem. I would like them to have a gov't style similar to Lebanon's, where the power is shared by the various groups.

As the Israelis have the upper hand in the current situation, no. They've also dedicated themselves to keeping a Jewish majority, which - apart from storing up trouble for the future - rules out a single state. Neither side would trust each other with authority over the other in any way shape or form. ( As a non-Jew, non-Arab, I personally wouldn't trust either of them in charge of the other and can see why it would be a very bad idea.) Long after I'm dust under somebodys long forgoten porno, it might be possible, as fer now - no.

Source: Haaretz News Agencies
16:52 27/11/2007

Tens of thousands of Palestinians joined anti-Annapolis rallies in Gaza and the West Bank on Tuesday, chanting "Death to Israel" and calling Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas a traitor for attending the peace talks.

Those protesting in the West Bank were doing so in defiance of a PA ban on anti-Annapolis rallies in the West Bank, Up to 3,000 people gathered at protests held by a snall Islamist group in Ramallah, Nablus, Bethlehem and Hebron.
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Senior PA official Riad Malki said the Fatah-led government has banned all West Bank activities related to the conference, including press conferences, in an effort to prevent any outbreak of violence. Most of Palestine voted for Hamas because of why though?Maybe the people voted against Abbas because they feel he is a traitor ??

Most of Palestine voted for Hamas because of why though?Maybe you wanna research what Israel did in the weeks leading up to those elections. Then you'll know why.

I do know from talking to someone who sat in on the preliminary talks in the summer and early fall that Israel is willing to give up East Jerusalem. Something could be done here, but my guess is this conference will not establish anything other than the scheduling of future ones.

What do they want in exchange? Nobody gives up something they've been fighting tooth and nail to hold for years without getting something in return.

Maybe the people voted against Abbas because they feel he is a traitor ??

Actually, they voted against Fatah in the parliament, and that was mainly because of the incompetence and corruption that wracked the PA and the security forces under the reign of Fatah. An artifact of Arafat, unfortunately.

They have not voted against Abbas.

They have not voted against Abbas.

Can moderate Abbas weather Hamas's rise?
The Palestinian leader may resign if next week's vote gives militants upper hand.
By Joshua Mitnick | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

RAMALLAH, WEST BANK – A kaleidoscope of campaign banners that is a who's who of Palestinian politics floats above traffic-choked el-Manara Square. Yasser Arafat smiles against the background of Jerusalem. Jailed militant leader Marwan Barghouti waves his shackled hands in defiance of Israel.

With only days to go before the Jan. 25 vote for parliament, and his Fatah Party dangerously close to losing to the Islamic militants of Hamas, the Palestinian moderate has taken a low profile in an election that many see as a referendum on his tenure.

"Abbas represents an image that can be harmful to the campaign," says Basem Ezbidi, a political science professor at Ramallah's Birzeit University.The people no longer trust Abbas.. If he had any honor he would have resigned as promised (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/1/18/120650.shtml).. if "opposed"

My question is why they don't seek a one state peace negotiation. This two state thing has only caused problem after problem. I would like them to have a gov't style similar to Lebanon's, where the power is shared by the various groups.

and now is near civil war?
though it would be better, and plus 10-20 years we arabs would be isreal and then we just rename it palestine, cus we have 5 kids they have 2 kids do the math: we have a lot more sex than they do

Maybe the people voted against Abbas because they feel he is a traitor ??

When talking to Israel and trying to make peace makes you a traitor, then I think it is VERY clear why the Hamas bastards weren't invited.

I like the way this is going.

The West Bank will be a free Palestinian state in a year and Gaza will be fucked. Can't say they don't deserve it.

The people in the West Bank chose to support Abbas and peace. They will get the state they rightfully deserve. Gaza chose to throw Fatah out and not pursue peace.

...I think it is VERY clear why the Hamas bastards weren't invited.

I like the way this is going.I know.


If I was a Zionist.. I would -very much- like it too.
If I was a Zionist.. I would be writing a thank-you note to the US gov.. as we speak.

Bush needs to use this opportunity to set out a firm path towards the creation of a two party state, regardless of the reluctance of Olmert and Abbas to adopt a domestically unpopular firm plan for peace.

As for Hamas, I'm not really sure what a group who refuse to move on their current stance of refusing to recognise Israel can bring to a peace neogtiation with the very same country.

My prediction.
The talks fail. Abbas is jailed for being Middle Eastern and Bush has buttsex with the Israeli guy.

As for Hamas, I'm not really sure what a group who refuse to move on their current stance of ....translation: "We should ignore the Pelestinean democratic vote.. and pursue negotiations with someone who will agree with everything we offer him?"

The US Gov no longer has any legitimacy to pose as Peace broker for the Israel/Palestine conflict..

If I was a Palestinian voter I would accept negociations in EU/Japan/China.. but never in the USA.

...and would never vote for a Politician who accepts to negotiate under the US Gov conditions.

My prediction.
The talks fail. Abbas is jailed for being Middle Eastern and Bush has buttsex with the Israeli guy.

My prediction:

You can't make a coherent post if you tried.

..refusing to recognise Israel can bring to a peace neogtiation with the very same country.where does it say that you have to recognize a supposed state to sign peace treaties with the army currently occupying the state in question??

Can China sign a treaty with Taiwan? of course they can.

I know.


If I was a Zionist.. I would -very much- like it too.
If I was a Zionist.. I would be writing a thank-you note to the US gov.. as we speak.
Please try to make an argument for once. We all know you hold a deep hatred of Jews.

We all know you...Wow.. you can read the minds of all of us(NSG) now?

if you can read my mind.. guess what.. EDITed-out smilyes and word (finger) that may be of mod concern.

If I was a Palestinian voter I would accept negociations in EU/Japan/China.. but never in the USA.

...and would never vote for a Politician who accepts to negotiate under the US Gov conditions.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face, I see.

If it results in a peace agreement acceptable to both sides, Fred Phelps could be hosting it for all I care.

Wow.. you can read the minds of all of us(NSG) now?

if you can read my mind.. guess what finger I putting up for you :D :D ;) :D

I don't need to read minds when your own pathetic words speak for themself.


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I have no proof but them Jews are behind everything.

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I don't need to read minds ...You canNOT read minds.. but you keep trying, trying ,trying,tryingX100,..., and trying..

just like the energizer pink bunny :D

where does it say that you have to recognize a supposed state to sign peace treaties with the army currently occupying the state in question??


Ever heard of NATO? It was formed whilst the BRD remained under US occupation.

Or perhaps the Warsaw Pact? Which was formed whilst the DDR was under USSR occupation.

Countries form treaties with their occupier all the time.

The people no longer trust Abbas.. If he had any honor he would have resigned as promised (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/1/18/120650.shtml).. if "opposed"

The relevance of your article is nil, given that Abbas was never personally defeated in an election.

Ever heard of NATO? It was formed whilst the BRD remained under US occupation.

Or perhaps the Warsaw Pact? Which was formed whilst the DDR was under USSR occupation.

Countries form treaties with their occupier all the time.thank you for making my point.

You canNOT read minds.. but you keep trying, trying ,trying,tryingX100,..., and trying..

just like the energizer pink bunny :D

Defend yourself or forever be branded as a racist by any logical person who reads your pathetic posts.

Defend yourself or forever be branded as a racist by any logical person who reads your pathetic posts.You have tried that before.. remembers?? quite a few timesDefend yourself or forever be branded as a Nazi Anti-semite monster.. and.. and.. and I will curse for the rest of my life ... and.. and... .... ... I will cry until you defend yourself..

meh... What -on earth- makes you think it will work this time?

EDITed-out Smilyes

where does it say that you have to recognize a supposed state to sign peace treaties with the army currently occupying the state in question??

Can China sign a treaty with Taiwan? of course they can.


That's not an accurate counter claim for your position there, the HAMAS covenant doesn't allow HAMAS to negotiate with Israel or the US, or the UN or Europe or anyone else for that matter, for a peace deal over the territories in question...

Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant
of the
Islamic Resistance Movement

Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

Link (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm)

However, I'm more interested in what your position is exactly? Are you simply one of the people (on both sides) that don't want any peace negotiations? Like the hardline protestors of these meetings?

Hardline Palestinians and Israelis demonstrated against a U.S.-sponsored peace conference, denouncing the prospect of concessions to each other and underlining the difficulties of implementing any agreement.
Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21981862/)

where does it say that you have to recognize a supposed state to sign peace treaties with the army currently occupying the state in question??

Can China sign a treaty with Taiwan? of course they can.


Of course they could sign a treaty. But China is unlikely to sign a treaty which effectively recognises the ROC as the legitimate government of Formosa just as Hamas are likely to sign a treaty which recognises Israel as the legitimate government in Israel.

translation: "We should ignore the Pelestinean democratic vote.. and pursue negotiations with someone who will agree with everything we offer him?"

Mr Abbas isn't exactly accepting the US's or Israel's dictation of how the future of Palestine should play out. Your characterisation of him as someone who will do anything because Bush or Olmert tells him to has no basis in reality.

If I was a Palestinian voter I would accept negociations in EU/Japan/China.. but never in the USA.

Neither the EU or Japan would accept Hamas at the negotiating table either.

the EU or Japan would (not) accept Hamas at the negotiating table.you are entitled to your opinion ;)

But China is unlikely to sign a treaty which effectively recognises the ROC as the legitimate government of Formosa just as Hamas are likely to sign a treaty which recognises Israel as the legitimate government in Israel.a peace treaty is just a peace treaty... nothing else nothing more.

Signing a peace treaty does not recognize the other side as anything at all..
Sometimes peoples had signed peace treaty with alien armies.. did not mean they recognized any signing entity as anything at all.. it just meant the wanted to stop the ongoing conflict/bloodshed with the alien entity.

NATO (treaty) formed under US occupation.
Warsaw Pact? formed under USSR occupation.

Countries form treaties with their occupier all the time.see?

Cutting off your nose to spite your face, I see.

If it results in a peace agreement acceptable to both sides, Fred Phelps could be hosting it for all I care.interesting...

if I am really cutting my nose.. why are you the only one crying in the room? :D :D ;) :D

IDF, flamingMy prediction:

You can't make a coherent post if you tried.

and flamebaitingI don't need to read minds when your own pathetic words speak for themself.


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I have no proof but them Jews are behind everything.

Officially warned.

OceanDrive2: Stick to thisyou are entitled to your opinion ;)

Eschew this

You have tried that before.. remembers?? quite a few times :D :D :p :D

meh... What -on earth- makes you think it will work this time? :confused:

And please note that a string of smilies does not act as a fire blanket. Stop now.

interesting...

if I am really cutting my nose.. why are you the only one crying in the room? :D :D ;) :D
What on Earth is this supposed to mean?

What on Earth is this supposed to mean?Its a variation of a reply I use for this situations
Dont-cry-for-me-Argentina©

get it? no? whateva *shrugs*

Wow.. you can read the minds of all of us(NSG) now?

if you can read my mind.. guess what finger I putting up for you :D :D ;) :D

Its hard to tell, what with the way your head is placed....He read my mind, btw.

OceanDrive2: Stick to this

Eschew this



And please note that a string of smilies does not act as a fire blanket. Stop now.I will delete the stringed smileys, and some words posted by me on this thread. (2 posts edited)

Its hard to tell, what with the way your head is placed....He read my mind, btw.The mod has just said he dont want to see stringed smileys from me.. I just edit-out the stringed smileys it the 2 posts that had them.

IMO you should take his ruling in consideration.. and stop reposting stringed Smileys

Ever heard of NATO? It was formed whilst the BRD remained under US occupation.

Or perhaps the Warsaw Pact? Which was formed whilst the DDR was under USSR occupation.

Countries form treaties with their occupier all the time.The GDR/DDR had no choice, and the FRG/BRD was de facto a sovereign state (even though officially under joint occupation by the US, the US, and France).
And how can Palestine be compared to Germany? Arabs started no world war. Arabs didn't take land from someone else, while Jews who renamed themselves Israel did that.

Being occupied does not prevent one from signing a peace treaty with your occupier...Thank you for making my point. I am on a roll today. (damn I feel like posting my fav smiley.. ahh well just imagine here the green smiley with the broad big smile)

a peace treaty is just a peace treaty... nothing else nothing more.

Signing a peace treaty does not recognize the other side as anything at all..
Sometimes peoples had signed peace treaty with alien armies.. did not mean they recognized any signing entity as anything at all.. it just meant the wanted to stop the ongoing conflict/bloodshed with the alien entity.

If Hamas signed a peace treaty with Israel they would be recognising Israel's government as representative of the people living in Israel.

see?

The members of NATO and the Warsaw Pact all recognised the occupying nations at the time as being in a legitimate position of occupation. Being occupied does not prevent one from signing a peace treaty with your occupier, but being occupied and continuing to oppose the occupation does.

The mod has just said he {EDIT: she} dont want to see stringed smileys from me.. I just edit-out the stringed smileys it the 2 posts that had them.<snip>

It's not the stringed smilies I want you to stop, it's the borderline flaming that you're using them to cover.

Its hard to tell, what with the way your head is placed....He read my mind, btw.

Speaking of borderline flaming ... lay off, Nodinia.

Its a variation of a reply I use for this situations
Dont-cry-for-me-Argentina©

get it? no? whateva *shrugs*
In other words, you're wittering on about nothing.

In other words, you're wittering on about nothing.I am not going to reply this for now.. I think the Mod-Lady would like it that way.

The GDR/DDR had no choice, and the FRG/BRD was de facto a sovereign state (even though officially under joint occupation by the US, the US, and France).
And how can Palestine be compared to Germany? Arabs started no world war. Arabs didn't take land from someone else, while Jews who renamed themselves Israel did that.

1967, anyone?

The Palestinian territories were seized from the Hashemite regime in Jordan during the Six Day War, in which a heavily outgunned Israel sought to prevent the ability of the encircling Arab alliance. Because of the massive military buildups of the Arab regimes, the language that was being expressed by their leadership and other factors it was nearly inevitable that an Arab offensive would be launched by the middle of 1969.

Specific events, such as the deployment of a massive offensive force to the Sinai and the closing of the straits of Tiran made it seem likely that the Egyptians were preparing to move.

Camp David was somewhat a diplomatic success for Jimmy carter..
Can Bush achieve something similar?

post here your Questions and Answers about the Annapolis peace conference.

My question is how can he hope to accomplish anything since the Middle East views him as the most pro-israeli, anti-Muslim, and anti-Arab?

My question is how can he hope to accomplish anything since the Middle East views him as the most pro-israeli, anti-Muslim, and anti-Arab?I would agree with that view.. if you would delete or downgrade the word "most" ... I prefer the word "somewhat"

something like this:My question is how can he hope to accomplish anything since the Middle East views him as anti-Muslim, and anti-Arab and somewhat pro-israeli. ;)

but yes.. I agree with you.

IDF,
And please note that a string of smilies does not act as a fire blanket.

Yes it does. Example:

I HATE YOU:D:D
YOU FUCKING BASTARD:p:)
YOU HAD SEX WITH MY WIFE:D:)
COCKMONKEY:p:p:):)

And I'm instantly protected.

Yes it does. Example:

I HATE YOU
YOU FUCKING BASTARD
YOU HAD SEX WITH MY WIFE
COCKMONKEY

And I'm instantly protected.
Aha! Stripped of your protection you are but a sniveling worm! :p

Whoa. Just got back for the weekend (I'm enlisted:)) and already I see people shooting eachother, metaphorically of course. Stop it, it's silly (in that Monty Python kind of way).

And now for the issue:

As someone here mentioned (I don't remember who exactly), Abbas and Olmert, with their current political status, are unable to achieve anything. The whole purpose of this summit is not to start a peace process, but to strengthen Abbas and to get Olmert out of the political mess he is in.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Olmert is not a leader, he's a politician. Ben Gurion was a leader, Begin was a leader, Rabin was a leader, and for about two months of his entire career, even Sharon was a leader. That's it. IMO, there is not a single politician who would risk his seat for such an unimportant purpose such as 'peace'.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong, but I highly doubt it.

For that other thing someone mentioned:

Hamas is not envited because neither it nor Israel want it to be envited. It doesn't recognize Israel as a party to negotiate with, and it won't. Also (another thing I've already said), for the Israeli public, Hamas is the equivalent of Al-Qaeda. Any Israeli politician negotiating with Hamas is committing a political suicide.

It doesn't recognize Israel as a party to negotiate with, and it won't.Bull shit.

Hamas considers Israel as an alien identity, a foreign force forcefully occupying Palestine.

But they have already negotiated -in the past- with this entity. example: Prisoners exchange.

Any Israeli politician negotiating with Hamas is committing a political suicide.That is their problem, not mine.