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"good female evil villains..."

Isn't that an oxymoron?

EDIT: Wow, my first threadsteal.

Would Milady de Winter from Les Trois Mousquetaires count as what you're looking for?

There are plenty of female villains, like nurse rachet and creulella devil, but they're just jerks. Then there are the villains that would be smart if they weren't totally nuts, like poison ivy. Why are there no female lex luthor type characters? The closest I can think of is vicky from fairly oddparents, and carmen sandiago. Lame.

Marquise Isabelle de Merteuil

In before Hillary Clinton with her Socialist powers.

Stewardess of the Galactic Empire, Ysanne Isard from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

women in general?

In thinking about my own answer, I wonder if there are any female villains, of which my own example could easily be considered a heroine of sorts, that is not portrayed as using sex as her chief weapon?

Man's greatest accusation leveled at women is that they seduce.

Hmmm...

Mad Dr Nesbit (http://www.supermegatopia.com/profiles/profiles.php?thisLink=maddrnesbit.txt)

the real reason why you don't see an evil woman Genius is because they KNOW how much of a headache ruling the world would be.

however, if you look closely... Fairy Tales and Disney is all about the Evil witch or the Evil Step-mother or the Evil Queen...

Ursula/Sea Witch (Little Mermade)
Cruella De-Ville (101 Dalmations)
The Gingerbread House Witch (Hansel and Gretal)
The Evil Queen (Snow White)
Witch of the West (Wizard of Oz)
The Queen of Hearts (Alice in Wonderland)

now if you're looking at comics. there are a few.
Selene - The Black Queen (Marvel)
Morgana Le Fey - (Marvel)
Poison Ivy - (DC)
Harley Quinn - (DC)
Madame Hydra - (Marvel)
Lady Mastermine - (Marvel)
One of the Strucker Twins is female, but dunno if she's still around. (Marvel)
Deathbird - (Marvel)

Stewardess of the Galactic Empire, Ysanne Isard from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Good one.
Man's greatest accusation leveled at women is that they seduce.
Why some men have a problem with this is beyond me.
I don't.
;)

Isn't the Borg led by a evil mastermind chick?

Isn't the Borg led by a evil mastermind chick?

Meh. The Borg Queen never struck me as an "Evil Genius" character, really.

Isn't the Borg a collective sort of hive-mind and therefore not led by anyone technically?
I have no idea, not really being a star trek fan. It was before my time. :p
they do have a 'Queen' (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg_Queen)

Some of the female Forsaken in Wheel of Time? Graendal? Semirhage? Moghedien?

I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but they're sort of in that direction....

Isn't the Borg led by a evil mastermind chick?

Isn't the Borg a collective sort of hive-mind and therefore not led by anyone technically?
I have no idea, not really being a star trek fan. It was before my time. :p

Bann-ed: Star Trek displayed a huge amount of variance about what the Borg actually were and did. Canon? What canon?

And I would like to suggest Mrs. Coulter for the list, from the His Dark Materials trilogy. And the Stalker Fang, if anyone else has read the Hungry Cities quartet.

Bann-ed: Star Trek displayed a huge amount of variance about what the Borg actually were and did. Canon? What canon?

Ah.
And I would like to suggest Mrs. Coulter for the list, from the His Dark Materials trilogy. And the Stalker Fang, if anyone else has read the Hungry Cities quartet.
Ann Coulter?

There are plenty of female villains, like nurse rachet and creulella devil, but they're just jerks. Then there are the villains that would be smart if they weren't totally nuts, like poison ivy. Why are there no female lex luthor type characters? The closest I can think of is vicky from fairly oddparents, and carmen sandiago. Lame.

You forgot Admiral Cain from BSG or Sarah Kerrigan from SC. :(

Ann Coulter?

No, Marisa Coulter. Of course. I don't think TV pundits qualify as evil geniuses.

You forgot Admiral Cain from BSG or Sarah Kerrigan from SC. :(

I wouldn't count Cain as an evil genius. Especially if the stuff from Razor is any indication.

And I would like to suggest Mrs. Coulter for the list, from the His Dark Materials trilogy.

Ah, excellent set of books, one of my favourites. Unfortunately it seems the film adaptations are going to be a bit weak.

No, Marisa Coulter. Of course. I don't think TV pundits qualify as evil geniuses.

Well, certainly not geniuses. :p

I wouldn't count Cain as an evil genius. Especially if the stuff from Razor is any indication.

Wait wasn't Cain the most brilliant mind in the fleet second to Baltar?

Well, certainly not geniuses. :p

Agreed!

Wait wasn't Cain the most brilliant mind in the fleet second to Baltar?

Yes, but I wouldn't say she was evil.

No, Marisa Coulter. Of course. I don't think TV pundits qualify as evil geniuses.

Depends on your definition of an evil genius though. I mean, peddling rubbish and having it continuously eaten up by a significant majority must take some doing.

It's like... Dibbler's sausages.

Maleficent.

There are plenty of female villains, like nurse rachet and creulella devil, but they're just jerks. Then there are the villains that would be smart if they weren't totally nuts, like poison ivy. Why are there no female lex luthor type characters? The closest I can think of is vicky from fairly oddparents, and carmen sandiago. Lame.

I'll give you the name of a really awesome female villain: Ursa. From Superman II.

Best female villain I have ever seen.

Emma Frost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frost)

Princess Azula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azula)

Talia(DC), daughter of Ra's al-Ghul
Irene Adler(Doyle), only person to out-think Sherlock Holmes
Servalan(Blake's Seven), only villain in a television series who always walked away from an encounter with something, and actually seized power after her Evil Empire fell as President of the New Alliance
Shigo(Disney), Kim Possible's most competent adversary
Viper(Marvel), probably the ultimate terrorist strategist
Mircalla Karnstein(LeFanu), the best vampiress in fiction, with a web of false identities
Mona deMarkov(Romeo is Bleeding), a ruthless crime boss with a penchant for using people

How about the white witch from The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe?

She ruled for 100 years and yes was killed but could be brought down by a magical lion.

There are plenty of female villains, like nurse rachet and creulella devil, but they're just jerks. Then there are the villains that would be smart if they weren't totally nuts, like poison ivy. Why are there no female lex luthor type characters? The closest I can think of is vicky from fairly oddparents, and carmen sandiago. Lame.

The villainess from Caleb Carr's "Angel of Darkness."

No, Marisa Coulter. Of course. I don't think TV pundits qualify as evil geniuses.

Anne Coulter would only qualify as the OP's "just jerks" category. She's dumb as a stump and nutty as any tree that could possibly have been felled to create said stump. Some people respond to that, hence her fanbase, but that doesn't qualify as genius.

Isn't the Borg a collective sort of hive-mind and therefore not led by anyone technically?
I have no idea, not really being a star trek fan. It was before my time. :p

It was supposed to be, but then one of the movies was placed in the hands of someone who decided that villains should have a face that you can hiss at. Thus creating one of the dumbest lines ever in Star Trek. "I am the collective."

In thinking about my own answer, I wonder if there are any female villains, of which my own example could easily be considered a heroine of sorts, that is not portrayed as using sex as her chief weapon?

Man's greatest accusation leveled at women is that they seduce.

And our biggest complaint is that they don't.

Princess Ardala (and all her sisters) from Buck Rogers.
D'Anna from Battlestar Galactica.
Poison Ivy in Batman
Xenia Onatopp from Goldeneye
Elektra King from The World is Not Enough
Ms. Li from Daria

Talia(DC), daughter of Ra's al-Ghul
Irene Adler(Doyle), only person to out-think Sherlock Holmes
Servalan(Blake's Seven), only villain in a television series who always walked away from an encounter with something, and actually seized power after her Evil Empire fell as President of the New Alliance
Shigo(Disney), Kim Possible's most competent adversary
Viper(Marvel), probably the ultimate terrorist strategist
Mircalla Karnstein(LeFanu), the best vampiress in fiction, with a web of false identities
Mona deMarkov(Romeo is Bleeding), a ruthless crime boss with a penchant for using people

Servalan definitely - didn't think anyone else would know who she was. Also Rosa Kreb from From Russia with Love.