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Meet the women who have abortions to save the whales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495

Thoughts?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have kids, then teach those kids how to be environmentally friendly, and then change the larger culture through gradual change?

Holy sh*t, Serena Williams got a hole in her tights?!

They are liars. The only reason they wont have kids is that they are Jews. Super greedy Jews who want to spend their gold coins on only themselves. Fucking Jew slut whore abortionists.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have kids, then teach those kids how to be environmentally friendly, and then change the larger culture through gradual change?Till then the whales are extinct...

They are liars. The only reason they wont have kids is that they are Jews. Super greedy Jews who want to spend their gold coins on only themselves. Fucking Jew slut whore abortionists.
Doing it for the Lulz?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have kids, then teach those kids how to be environmentally friendly, and then change the larger culture through gradual change?

Have you looked around lately? :p

Daily Heil = Take it with a large pinch of salt. Preferably a cargo ship-full, dumped on the Daily Mail offices.

would you want these people to have children and spread their poor genetic material? :eek:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_03/sarahmarkDM2111_468x449.jpg

Thoughts?
can't see that group surviving past a couple of generations.

*snore*

Doing it for the Lulz?

No.

Meet the women who have abortions to save the whales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495

Thoughts?

Trust the Daily Mail and the OP to turn the old and unremarkable "I don't want to have children, I think the planet is already overpopulated enough" into "women who have abortions to save the whales".

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

They are liars. The only reason they wont have kids is that they are Jews. Super greedy Jews who want to spend their gold coins on only themselves. Fucking Jew slut whore abortionists.

Save the whales more like save the bagels amirite?

Trust the Daily Mail and the OP to turn the old and unremarkable "I don't want to have children, I think the planet is already overpopulated enough" into "women who have abortions to save the whales".

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Probably still fuming over the Japan Whaling thread.....

Save the whales more like save the bagels amirite?

Aren't you an.. accountant in training? Jew!!!

wtf is with the unnecessary racist commentary?

As for her decision. Well, it's her choice. There are no plans to make it mandatory for others to become sterilized for that reason I don't see a problem with it.

There are so many children that need to be adopted in the world and abandoned, it would make more sense to adopt children then to birth ones own.

Aren't you an.. accountant in training? Jew!!!

Wait a minute, that's right; that would mean...oh shit...YOU CALL THESE BAGELS?

I found the actual article less interesting than the obvious bias that permeated every inch of it.

wtf is with the unnecessary racist commentary?
Just Ruffy trying to be funny.

Probably still fuming over the Japan Whaling thread.....
What do you mean fuming? The best thing that FS could come up with for an argument was "either you agree with me or you rape children". I went with 'women having abortion to save the whales' because save the whales is a popular battlecry of the environmentalist movement, almost stereotypical by now.

I posted this because I thought it was funny. Most women who have abortions don't do so because they want to live as green as can be. I also thought that what was described as the super-green lifestyle was funny. Glass is dirt cheap because it's made from dirt and recycling it never will be profitable unless you're in space. Same thing goes for paper. And organic farming actually uses more land, materials, etc. Oh, if you think that organic doesn't use pesticides, think again. Nicotine is, or at least was a common organic pesticide. A thimble full of that stuff pure could probably kill you making it more toxic than cocaine.

That's enough serious business for one post, back to the lulz.

What an emo. I hate people who don't want children. They should be shot, but they don't have children so gene pool contamination isn't a problem.

Trust the Daily Mail and the OP to turn the old and unremarkable "I don't want to have children, I think the planet is already overpopulated enough" into "women who have abortions to save the whales".

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think the journalistic parlance is 'hatchet job'....

What an emo. I hate people who don't want children. They should be shot, but they don't have children so gene pool contamination isn't a problem.

Really? I don't want kids...and I certainly am not an 'emo'...I more a 'kick you in the head because yo a fo'....' ;)

What do you mean fuming? The best thing that FS could come up with for an argument was "either you agree with me or you rape children".

clearly you need to read that thread again. you made an argument about why animals don't have rights. a consequence of your argument (that they can't have them because they cannot understand or reciprocate them) is that children, the unconscious, and the mentally disabled have no rights either. then you got confused and couldn't figure a way out of the reductio, so started babbling nonsense and hoped no one would notice.

Is she trying for a Darwin Award? :confused:

clearly you need to read that thread again. you made an argument about why animals don't have rights. a consequence of your argument (that they can't have them because they cannot understand or reciprocate them) is that children, the unconscious, and the mentally disabled have no rights either. then you got confused and couldn't figure a way out of the reductio, so started babbling nonsense and hoped no one would notice.
Nice job trying to derail the thread.

Someone compared animals to children. I said that children do not legally have rights and that you have to make your own species needs priority one. Your response:
your argument either declares that it is morally permissible to rape children or leaves open the possibility of moral obligations towards animals.
Translation: either you agree with me or you think pedophilia is ok.
What you did was a false dilema not a reductio ad absurdum.

I said that PETA argued for total animal liberation, something they don't try to hide, and you denied it even when I pulled a dated quote of their leader stating exactly that.

When I argued against the SSCS tatctics of sinking ships and trying to set cops on fire you defended their actions and their leader (who is wanted for attempted murder in Costa Rica) by calling them "effective."

If you want to go back to the Whaling thread you just need to rez it. If you have anything related to this thread that you would like to add to this thread you may. I personally think that it is funny that anyone would use environmentalism as an excuse not to have kids.

Is she trying for a Darwin Award? :confused:
Oh I hope so. Though she probably wouldn't get an honorable mention because only the reason for the sterilization are foolish, not the way it happened.

Oh I hope so. Though she probably wouldn't get an honorable mention because only the reason for the sterilization are foolish, not the way it happened.

Also it's not that foolish a reason to not have a child, it works, if she just didn't want them too we can see eye to eye.

Also am I the only one that noticed what happens when you follow their train of thought a little longer?

"Living is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who lives uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

If she was really hardcore she would be swimming out into the ocean with a coat hanger and aborting baby whales, then feeding them to her 10 kids.

I think it's people like this that make the choice to have an abortion look worse than it is.

I think it's people like this that make the choice to have an abortion look worse than it is.
QFT

There is actually an even more extreme movement of similarly minded folks. You can learn more about them here (http://www.vhemt.org/).

Meet the women who have abortions to save the whales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495

Thoughts?

:eek: DEAR GOD! How long before these tree huggers begin killing people because people are bad for the environment?! :eek: :p

FOR TEH WHALES! :sniper:

Wait a minute....if stopping pregnancy reduces the amount of whales...THERE ARE LESS Whales tghen how does this help the whale population? :confused:

http://www.bushmanstudios.com/images/classes/cpsc815/assign_01/pregnantHuge.jpg

What an emo. I hate people who don't want children. They should be shot, but they don't have children so gene pool contamination isn't a problem.

Yea, I'd like to see you try to come to my house and shoot me just because I don't want to have to take care of a little brat.

What an emo. I hate people who don't want children. They should be shot, but they don't have children so gene pool contamination isn't a problem.

Ooookay, I don't think I would go that far. I don't want to have children, but I think I have very good reasons: I'm unmarried, I'm not financially well-off enough, and most importantly, I'm male. We don't have children.

Wiping out humanity is the best thing we can do for the humanity. Good going girls!

The only thing I agree with is the fact that morons do look at women who don't want children like there is something wrong with us. I don't want kids, not because of the planet, but because I really freaking hate kids. But on the other hand I was watching some show on TLC about this women who had like 10 kids. I mean I don't give a shit if someone wants to breed but come on, that's like rooting for over population. Having that many kids turns you into a termite. Just breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding. The law where I live says that a woman can't get her tubes tied before the age of 25 or 3 kids. So the world really does think less of a woman who doesn't want children. Even the law says we can't rectify the problem until a certain time. Nobody cares if you want to become breeding stock but say you never want kids and you'll get the ole evil eye or the people with kids wink. The, oh you'll change your mind because all women want children, wink. And there are enough breeders out there that there will never ever be a dip in the population. It's not selfish to want a reasonable amount of kids and it's not selfish to not want them.

QFT

There is actually an even more extreme movement of similarly minded folks. You can learn more about them here (http://www.vhemt.org/).

It's unfair that these people who may choose to have abortions for this particular reason are grouped in with those who are "pro-choice".

I just feel so... confused. I am, and always will be pro-choice, but I think people who believe in not breeding should just use a damn condom.

Yea, I'd like to see you try to come to my house and shoot me just because I don't want to have to take care of a little brat.

Can I come to your house - I don't want them either.

This thread is misleading. I wholly expected to come in here and read about women feeding fetuses to whales.

I give you a three out of ten.

Pit these women against Pro Life Whalers.

Deathmatch of the Century.

Is she trying for a Darwin Award? :confused:
You can't get a Darwin award on purpose. Further she didn't do anything stupid.
I think it's people like this that make the choice to have an abortion look worse than it is.
No, it's the Daily Mail that trys to make the choice to have an abortion look worse than it is. Apparently the new thing is to paint women who have abortions as crazy eco-warriors who hate babies.
It's unfair that these people who may choose to have abortions for this particular reason are grouped in with those who are "pro-choice".
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's unfair.

I just feel so... confused. I am, and always will be pro-choice, but I think people who believe in not breeding should just use a damn condom.

Or get sterilised and save money on condoms like this woman did. So what is your objection then?

I just feel so... confused. I am, and always will be pro-choice, but I think people who believe in not breeding should just use a damn condom.

She was on the pill, and she wanted to get sterilised but the doctors just smiled and said "You'll change your mind one day".

She was on the pill, and she wanted to get sterilised but the doctors just smiled and said "You'll change your mind one day".

"She said I was far too young and told me I could 'absolutely not' be sterilised, and that I was bound to change my mind one day.

"I found her attitude frustrating.

"We decided my husband would have a vasectomy instead. He was 25, just a few years older than me, but the GP allowed him to go ahead.

"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."

When Toni was 23, her marriage ended. She says: "We married very young and grew apart."

Ex-husband thought 'Fuck'.

Quite frankly, when I saw this was from the Mail, I was suprised it wasn't anything to do with Madeliene "My parents are fucktards" McCann or immigration

By not having white British babies, you're practically giving jobs to the children of illegal immigrants!

But what if the Polish lesbian immigrant babies have already done that? :upyours:

Quite frankly, when I saw this was from the Mail, I was suprised it wasn't anything to do with Madeliene "My parents are fucktards" McCann or immigration

By not having white British babies, you're practically giving jobs to the children of illegal immigrants!

Is she trying for a Darwin Award? :confused:

Voluntarily refusing to have children does not qualify one for a Darwin Award.

Yay for eco-eugenics!

as for this..

If she was really hardcore she would be swimming out into the ocean with a coat hanger and aborting baby whales, then feeding them to her 10 kids.

Have you ever seen the size of a whale vajayjay? You may as well forget the hanger and use yourself! Just swim up there and give it a good old kicking! :p

Meet the women who have abortions to save the whales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495

Thoughts?
Bullshit, she didn't say anything about whales, she said it was about the environment. Animal rights and environmentalism are two separate things and should not be associated with each other, as an environmentalist I don''t like being randomly juxtaposed with animal rights people.

And I'm not going to go much into the main topic now since I'm SUPPOSED to be studying calculus, but I think if more people in the western world at least stopped reproducing (and if they wanted children, adopted more from third world countries) the world would be better off, so it doesn't make sense that people would be AGAINST the idea of not reproducing.

I think they just didn't wanna be inconvenienced with a kid and are just using the whole "save the planet" as an excuse and their husbands aren't so much supporting their decisions as they are thinking "Sweet... sex every night without worrying about getting her pregnant - score!"
Eh, I have more opinions beyond it, but I'd rather not start the abortion debate.

I think they just didn't wanna be inconvenienced with a kid and are just using the whole "save the planet" as an excuse and their husbands aren't so much supporting their decisions as they are thinking "Sweet... sex every night without worrying about getting her pregnant - score!"
Eh, I have more opinions beyond it, but I'd rather not start the abortion debate.That was my first thought too. I don't want kids because they're expensive and time-consuming. If I get pregnant, I'll have an abortion too. Maybe I should be sanctimonious and claim I'm doing it to stop global warming or some such shit!

(I don't want to get sterilized though, because it usually results in a decreased sex drive. Which would really, really suck.)

They are liars. The only reason they wont have kids is that they are Jews. Super greedy Jews who want to spend their gold coins on only themselves. Fucking Jew slut whore abortionists.

*gives Ruffy his meds*

You know, if more radical enviromentalists sterilize themselves then in a couple of generations wouldn't we have less property damage, and more successful medical research.

I bet if you had classes held where the bodies had A.L.F. shirts on them more Doctors would agree to sterilization training despite the fact it violates their oath.

You know, if more radical enviromentalists sterilize themselves then in a couple of generations wouldn't we have less property damage, and more successful medical research.

environmentalism is genetic?

environmentalism is genetic?

It follows a similar pattern to the Kimchi School of "3b1l m05l3mz r a spcz."

environmentalism is genetic?

I wish it was...we wouldn't have half the amount of problems we do if people had a greater inherent sense of responsibility for themselves, the sustainability of the economy that supports them, and the planet that supports not only the economy but all life on Earth.

I think they just didn't wanna be inconvenienced with a kid and are just using the whole "save the planet" as an excuse and their husbands aren't so much supporting their decisions as they are thinking "Sweet... sex every night without worrying about getting her pregnant - score!"
Eh, I have more opinions beyond it, but I'd rather not start the abortion debate.
Your attempt to disparage people who have abortions has no basis in fact.
That was my first thought too. I don't want kids because they're expensive and time-consuming. If I get pregnant, I'll have an abortion too. Maybe I should be sanctimonious and claim I'm doing it to stop global warming or some such shit!

(I don't want to get sterilized though, because it usually results in a decreased sex drive. Which would really, really suck.)
Ditto to you.
You know, if more radical enviromentalists sterilize themselves then in a couple of generations wouldn't we have less property damage, and more successful medical research.

I bet if you had classes held where the bodies had A.L.F. shirts on them more Doctors would agree to sterilization training despite the fact it violates their oath.

You must be new to the world of international news discussion. Something you should learn now, the Daily Mail(better known as the Daily Fail or the Daily Heil) is the most biased thing you are ever likely to read on the internet.

Well, I'm happy that this woman has removed her own genes from the human species. I think it's worth an Honourable Mention.

Well, I'm happy that this woman has removed her own genes from the human species. I think it's worth an Honourable Mention.

Believing the Daily Fail? Are you looking for an Honourable Mention yourself?

You must be new to the world of international news discussion. Something you should learn now, the Daily Mail(better known as the Daily Fail or the Daily Heil) is the most biased thing you are ever likely to read on the internet.

Ifreann, you're far too nice. It's not like one does have to know that the Daily Mail is crap - reading the fucking article with one's brain switched on would suffice. Which all of about, oh, three people seem to have done.

Stupid fucking frustrating thread. Gah.

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.
Heh.

Their loss is our gain and all that.

Ifreann, you're far too nice. It's not like one does have to know that the Daily Mail is crap - reading the fucking article with one's brain switched on would suffice. Which all of about, oh, three people seem to have done.

This surprises you? Where the fuck have you been?

So what say the two of us make a baby, then abort it, you know, for the whales? ;)

Some people are a bit odd...

seconded.

Trust the Daily Mail and the OP to turn the old and unremarkable "I don't want to have children, I think the planet is already overpopulated enough" into "women who have abortions to save the whales".

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

The idea of terminating a pregnancy based solely an extreme irrational fear of overpopulation is still ridiculously retarded to say the least.

The idea of terminating a pregnancy based solely an extreme irrational fear of overpopulation is still ridiculously retarded to say the least.

How is deciding that you really don't need to put another human being onto a planet whose (gah, i hate English! I mean "the planet's" but I didn't know how else to say that) resources are already disappearing from overuse an "extreme irrational fear"?

How is it a more extreme and irrational fear than, say, having a kid because you can't stand the thought of your own mortality and want to "leave a legacy", "something of yourself that lives on"?

This surprises you? Where the fuck have you been?

So what say the two of us make a baby, then abort it, you know, for the whales? ;)
I'm not so keen on babies nor abortions, so I'll have to decline, thankyouverymuch.

Heh.

Their loss is our gain and all that.
What do you gain by this woman having an abortion and sterilising herself?
I'm not so keen on babies nor abortions, so I'll have to decline, thankyouverymuch.

I'll have a baby with you NA.

How is deciding that you really don't need to put another human being onto a planet whose (gah, i hate English! I mean "the planet's" but I didn't know how else to say that) resources are already disappearing from overuse an "extreme irrational fear"?


Because it wont change anything, her having a baby will not have any affect on the planets resources. Or it will be so extremely minimal that you can rule it out completely. She is doing this completely on principle, she was having an abortion to score a cheap political point.


How is it a more extreme and irrational fear than, say, having a kid because you can't stand the thought of your own mortality and want to "leave a legacy", "something of yourself that lives on"?

If that was the only reason why someone was having a baby that would be stupid as well.

The idea of terminating a pregnancy based solely an extreme irrational fear of overpopulation is still ridiculously retarded to say the least.

how is a fear of overpopulation irrational?

would you want these people to have children and spread their poor genetic material? :eek:

Oh, there's a surprise. A nazi declaring Jews to be genetically inferior.

Because it wont change anything, her having a baby will not have any affect on the planets resources. Or it will be so extremely minimal that you can rule it out completely. She is doing this completely on principle, she was having an abortion to score a cheap political point.

One vote out of millions makes just as little difference. But people still vote. Perhaps they realise that just because you can't make a big difference doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to make a small difference.

Because it wont change anything, her having a baby will not have any affect on the planets resources. Or it will be so extremely minimal that you can rule it out completely.

Remember kiddies, one person can't make a difference, so there's no point in trying!

What an emo. I hate people who don't want children. They should be shot, but they don't have children so gene pool contamination isn't a problem.

Why? kids are a fucking nuseince. If it isn't breeders parading them around, and disrupting a quiet browse at the mall, its fucking breeders giving me lectures on how *WONDERFUL* it is to get up 6 times a night to look after the 'bundle of joy' the wife popped out.

One vote out of millions makes just as little difference. But people still vote. Perhaps they realise that just because you can't make a big difference doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to make a small difference.

It's not a small difference. It's a nothing. This will never, ever, make a difference. For one thing, over population is really mainly a problem in Asian and African countries, I doubt they are going care about what some smug westerner does.

It's not a small difference. It's a nothing. This will never, ever, make a difference. For one thing, over population is really mainly a problem in Asian and African countries, I doubt they are going care about what some smug westerner does.

Ah, so since it's people in Asia and Africa that are overconsuming resources, Europeans should do a fucking thing. Just carry on regardless. I'm sure what happens in Asia and Africa and 50-100 years won't affect Europe in the slightest.

Ah, so since it's people in Asia and Africa that are overconsuming resources, Europeans should do a fucking thing. Just carry on regardless. I'm sure what happens in Asia and Africa and 50-100 years won't affect Europe in the slightest.

Nice jump. Please show me where I said that we shouldn't do anything to help Africans and Asians? That one particular action is just one but many ways of helping Africans and Asians. Oh wait, disregard that, what the woman did does not help Africans and Asians in any possible way. Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with whether or not I think that ways of helping impoverished countries in general is stupid.

Nice jump. Please show me where I said that we shouldn't do anything to help Africans and Asians?
I didn't say that.
That one particular action is just one but many ways of helping Africans and Asians. Oh wait, disregard that, what the woman did does not help Africans and Asians in any possible way. Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with whether or not I think that ways of helping impoverished countries in general is stupid.

You don't think it'll make a difference. This woman feels differntly, apparently.

I didn't say that.


So by "a fucking thing", you meant not have babys?


You don't think it'll make a difference. This woman feels differntly, apparently.

And what I think she feels is stupid.

And what I think she feels is stupid.

How very nice of you. "These woman's opinions are stupid because I feel that I'm right!":rolleyes:

Of course I could point out that what you just said was that your thoughts on her feelings are stupid.

How very nice of you. "These woman's opinions are stupid because I feel that I'm right!":rolleyes:

Yep, thats exactly the reason why I think its stupid.

how is a fear of overpopulation irrational?

Because a birth rate close to replacement will never cause overpopulation? I mean, this planet is nowhere near overpopulated now and probably won't ever be; the only reason there are population problems is due to the low productivity of the areas with the highest population growth. If they had more technically developed economic and political systems, they would be able to comfortably support their population and continue to grow without additional strain on their environment.

Escaping the Malthusian trap is only possible through technology and productivity.