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Can you feel the hostility I am radiating towards this lamebrain? (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/25/dutch.guerrilla.ap/index.html)

So, she doesn't want to fight alongside the FARC anymore? Too bad. She signed up with what is probably easily classified as the most brutal terrorist organization in the western hemisphere, because she believed in a delusional ideology that blinded her to the fact that they're nothing more than a pathetic cocaine cartel. Some people on these forums would be well advised to learn from her stupidity.

People make mistakes and I feel no hostility to them when they realise their mistake

Yes, isn't it wonderful when people are punished harshly for their mistakes, and prevented from righting them. It would have been absolutely awful if that 'pathetic cocaine cartel' lost a member without any loss of life, but lets just thank the god of irrational hatred that that didn't happen.

Sorry, what did she 'get' exactly?

Sorry, what did she 'get' exactly?

Chased away by government forces. And if the FARC have access to a television or computer, chances are they'll kill her for trying to desert. Unless she can convince them that none of it is true, in which case they might stop at a good beating.

Sorry, what did she 'get' exactly?

She signed up with a brutal terrorist group, under the delusion that they were heroic revolutionaries, only to discover that they weren't. She is there because her ignorance blinded her to their real nature, and the reason why she is stuck there is because of that very nature which she ignored.

Same sort of bullshit that gets murderous assholes like Che Guevara worshiped by some on the left.

She signed up with a brutal terrorist group, under the delusion that they were heroic revolutionaries, only to discover that they weren't. She is there because her ignorance blinded her to their real nature, and the reason why she is stuck there is because of that very nature which she ignored.

Same sort of bullshit that gets murderous assholes like Che Guevara worshiped by some on the left.

She made a mistake. Shouldn't she be allowed to try and fix it?

People make mistakes and I feel no hostility to them when they realise their mistake

Indeed. No doubt having seen what bastards one side are, she became convinced that whatever oppossed them must be "good". She would not be the first to make such a mistake. Its a shame that such idealism has come to naught, more than anything else. I see nothing to gloat over.

She made a mistake. Shouldn't she be allowed to try and fix it?
No, real Dutch people don't make misstakes.:p

No, real Dutch people don't make misstakes.:p

Nor do they get mad. They just get even.



Then get high.

She made a mistake. Shouldn't she be allowed to try and fix it?

After she gets the wages of her error.

Nor do they get mad. They just get even.



Then get high.
True.:):p

But you're really behind. This was in the news here two months ago.

And even then I didn't care.

After she gets the wages of her error.

I trust that when you have an accident leading to injury that you wait about and suffer before you call for help, yes? Or is it just those damned lefties who have to suffer for every mistake?

After she gets the wages of her error.

It seems she already has

After she gets the wages of her error.

The wages of her error? Shit man, what if we all had to face that sort of crap.

Have you led an error less life your self?

Nor do they get mad. They just get even.



Then get high.

You mixed the order up. They get high first, then even.

No, it's stupid people who get to suffer especially.
So it's ok for you to avoid suffering for your mistakes, but not everyone else.
I would loathe anyone who signed up for the Wehrmacht because they were Volksdeutscher equally. Probably more actually.

When you make a mistake, you pay for it. It's that simple.

And who are you to say she hasn't paid for it?

I trust that when you have an accident leading to injury that you wait about and suffer before you call for help, yes? Or is it just those damned lefties who have to suffer for every mistake?

No, it's stupid people who get to suffer especially. I would loathe anyone who signed up for the Wehrmacht because they were Volksdeutscher equally. Probably more actually.

When you make a mistake, you pay for it. It's that simple.

You mixed the order up. They get high first, then even.

Well they're Dutch, they get high a few minutes after birth and remaind that way permanently. Now and then they get more high.

And she is paying for it. I don't see why there should be hostility towards her and i'm not saying congratulate her either.

Also not all mistakes are 'paid for'.

The wages of her error? Shit man, what if we all had to face that sort of crap.

Have you led an error less life your self?

No I haven't, and I've paid for my mistakes.

Repeatedly skipping class? I get a B-. Not checking my ski boots? Broken ribs. Drinking too much? A hangover. Not exercising? Fat.

As for her, it's being stupid and joining a terrorist organization, and expecting them to be willing to let you leave whenever you want? Getting stuck in that terrorist organization.

SHe went and FARCed herself and now she's FARCed. SHe wants to get the FARC out now. Should we let her? Why the FARC not? They're the FARCers, not us. And if she needs to atone, she'll have the rest of her life to think about her FARCing actions. *nod*

And who are you to say she hasn't paid for it?

She'll have paid up whenever she gets out, regardless of the means by which she manages to get out.

When you make a mistake, you pay for it. It's that simple.

And she is paying for it. I don't see why there should be hostility towards her and i'm not saying congratulate her either.

No I haven't, and I've paid for my mistakes.

Repeatedly skipping class? I get a B-. Not checking my ski boots? Broken ribs. Drinking too much? A hangover. Not exercising? Fat.

As for her, it's being stupid and joining a terrorist organization, and expecting them to be willing to let you leave whenever you want? Getting stuck in that terrorist organization.

Or more likely, getting killed by that terrorist organisation when they see her face on the news

She'll have paid up whenever she gets out, regardless of the means by which she manages to get out.

Why is that your arbitrary choice?

She'll have paid up whenever she gets out, regardless of the means by which she manages to get out.

Why? And who are you to make that call?

I get a B-. Not checking my ski boots? Broken ribs.
.

Did you go to the docs to check it out?

Get painkillers?

Get advice on how to help it heal?

You made a mistake, and paid for it, but received help with it all the same if this is the case

Apparently she's kind of a big deal with the Dutch, so far as to having had the FARC spokesman on Dutch TV. Analysts in the article are saying that she's probably be shunted off to crappy jobs, like kitchen work or hard labor, and that it's unlikely that she's been shot.

Doesn't sound like that actions of a 'pathetic cocaine cartel' to me.......

Or more likely, getting killed by that terrorist organisation when they see her face on the news

Apparently she's kind of a big deal with the Dutch, so far as to having had the FARC spokesman on Dutch TV. Analysts in the article are saying that she's probably be shunted off to crappy jobs, like kitchen work or hard labor, and that it's unlikely that she's been shot.

Actually, no, I didn't.

I didn't actually learn until after the fact that I had broken two ribs, when I had a CAT scan for an unrelated issue.

More than that, I'm not arguing that she shouldn't be helped, she certainly should. I'm saying she should have known better.

Ahh but she didn't though did she. Actualy what you said was that she deserved what she got

I'm saying she should have known better.

But she didn't. And so, rather than sympatthise with a fellow human being in a bad situation, you jump up and down with glee about how she's getting what she deserved.

Did you go to the docs to check it out?

Get painkillers?

Get advice on how to help it heal?

You made a mistake, and paid for it, but received help with it all the same if this is the case

Actually, no, I didn't.

I didn't actually learn until after the fact that I had broken two ribs, when I had a CAT scan for an unrelated issue.

More than that, I'm not arguing that she shouldn't be helped, she certainly should. I'm saying she should have known better.

That's what the FARC is. Not much different from the Medellin Cartel at all.

Aren't cocaine cartels and terrorist organisations in general rather violent? They're being much nicer than I would have guessed if they're just relegating her to cooking and cleaning.

Doesn't sound like that actions of a 'pathetic cocaine cartel' to me.......

That's what the FARC is. Not much different from the Medellin Cartel at all.

Actually, no, I didn't.

I didn't actually learn until after the fact that I had broken two ribs, when I had a CAT scan for an unrelated issue.

More than that, I'm not arguing that she shouldn't be helped, she certainly should. I'm saying she should have known better.

Then why hostility?

Are you hostile to all people who make mistakes?

I'm hostile towards her for ignoring reality, because of her dear connection to an idealized view of something.

Can you feel the hostility I am radiating towards this lamebrain? (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/25/dutch.guerrilla.ap/index.html)

So, she doesn't want to fight alongside the FARC anymore? Too bad. She signed up with what is probably easily classified as the most brutal terrorist organization in the western hemisphere, because she believed in a delusional ideology that blinded her to the fact that they're nothing more than a pathetic cocaine cartel. Some people on these forums would be well advised to learn from her stupidity.

Apparently she's kind of a big deal with the Dutch, so far as to having had the FARC spokesman on Dutch TV. Analysts in the article are saying that she's probably be shunted off to crappy jobs, like kitchen work or hard labor, and that it's unlikely that she's been shot.

:)

Then why hostility?

Are you hostile to all people who make mistakes?

I'm hostile towards her for ignoring reality, because of her dear connection to an idealized view of something.

1- At this point in time, joining the Colombian government is just as big a mistake. It's a fucking corrupted morass.

2- Andaluciae, you're showing happiness that instead of having a legitimate authority deciding this woman's fate, FARC will. What makes you different from the FARC then?

Aren't cocaine cartels and terrorist organisations in general rather violent? They're being much nicer than I would have guessed if they're just relegating her to cooking and cleaning.

Even paramilitaries and terrorists need infrastructure support.

Even paramilitaries and terrorists need infrastructure support.

I'm not saying they don't need people to do those jobs, I'm saying that it doesn't seem typical of the 'most brutal terrorist organisation in the western hemisphere' to be content to punish a member who's being used as a poster girl against them by just demoting her.

That has to be cheating somehow. ;)

You're just jealous that you didn't do it first.


Also, what are you doing to the space-time continuum? The time warp here is going crazy.

:)

That has to be cheating somehow. ;)

I'm not saying they don't need people to do those jobs, I'm saying that it doesn't seem typical of the 'most brutal terrorist organisation in the western hemisphere' to be content to punish a member who's being used as a poster girl against them by just demoting her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FARC

They've a history of using gas cylinder mortars on civilian populations, landmines, execution programs, car bombings, hijackings, kidnapping, drug trafficking, assassination and the rest. They have killed thousands of innocent civilians.

Oh, trust me, they're the most brutal terrorist organization in the western hemisphere, as well as the best organized. Further, their reliance on people like Nijmeijer to provide them some degree of political support abroad, or her value as a potential hostage makes it imperative that she be kept alive, if for nothing else, ransom.

After all, she is the first person from outside Latin America to join the FARC, and her profile abroad makes it important to keep her alive.

:)

Kitchen work or hard labor is not what you're making it out to be. She is being used as a slave by this organization.

Kitchen work or hard labor is not what you're making it out to be. She is being used as a slave by this organization.

And you're happy that the organization you claim to despise is deciding her fate, as opposed to a legitimate government (in either side) you claim to support.

But she didn't. And so, rather than sympatthise with a fellow human being in a bad situation, you jump up and down with glee about how she's getting what she deserved.

I actually do rather sympathize with her. Her plight sucks from top to bottom, but it remains that she should have known better.

I'm hostile towards her for ignoring reality, because of her dear connection to an idealized view of something.

Brilliant idea. Perhaps we should go through the big news sites for fucked upped and maimed veterans of the Iraq war and have a good old hate fest on them, for joining the US army for idealism/patriotism/healthcare/avoiding jail....Yes, excellent idea.

Will we start on the ones with regrets and legs, or regrets and no legs?

And you're happy that the organization you claim to despise is deciding her fate, as opposed to a legitimate government (in either side) you claim to support.

I've actually calmed down a bit. Something else got me riled up, and when I saw this story I posted it rashly. My original position is actually quite wrong.

She signed up with a brutal terrorist group, under the delusion that they were heroic revolutionaries, only to discover that they weren't. She is there because her ignorance blinded her to their real nature, and the reason why she is stuck there is because of that very nature which she ignored.

Same sort of bullshit that gets murderous assholes like Che Guevara worshiped by some on the left.

And yet people can leave the US army without this kinda fear.
Interesting.

I actually do rather sympathize with her. Her plight sucks from top to bottom, but it remains that she should have known better.

That makes no sense at all. Why should she 'have known better' I don't know anything about this FARC organisation, should I know more. How much do you know about astrophysics, or cooking, or the chemical composition of my farts?

'She should have known better' says absolutely nowt and makes no sense. She obviously did not 'know better' she now does, do you then advocate savagery towards those who learn?

Heh I just noticed your retraction. Good on you for that, I applued it, but you know really, 'you should have known better!'

No, it's stupid people who get to suffer especially.

The stupid and the ignorant, often at the machinations of the corrupt and the manipulative, who usually never suffer.

Your anger is misplaced.

Another self-loathing white whore, what a shock.

That makes no sense at all. Why should she 'have known better' I don't know anything about this FARC organisation, should I know more. How much do you know about astrophysics, or cooking, or the chemical composition of my farts?

I dunno, maybe because she wrote her thesis on the FARC at the University of Groningen?

Heh I just noticed your retraction. Good on you for that, I applued it, but you know really, 'you should have known better!'

touche.

I really should have kept myself in check, that's how I've lasted here on NSG without any significant mod intervention.

That makes no sense at all. Why should she 'have known better' I don't know anything about this FARC organisation, should I know more. How much do you know about astrophysics, or cooking, or the chemical composition of my farts?

'She should have known better' says absolutely nowt and makes no sense. She obviously did not 'know better' she now does, do you then advocate savagery towards those who learn?

Heh I just noticed your retraction. Good on you for that, I applued it, but you know really, 'you should have known better!'

You don't know anything about FARC? Well then I think its safe to assume you haven't spent much time in Columbia, thats for sure (unlike the woman in question, who had spent time in Columbia.)

Do you think she joined a group of men toting assault rifles and explosives without doing any research on who they were? That is just as stupid of a decision as joining them and knowing who they were.

I've actually calmed down a bit. Something else got me riled up, and when I saw this story I posted it rashly. My original position is actually quite wrong.

Okay then.

You don't know anything about FARC? Well then I think its safe to assume you haven't spent much time in Columbia, thats for sure (unlike the woman in question, who had spent time in Columbia.)

Do you think she joined a group of men toting assault rifles and explosives without doing any research on who they were? That is just as stupid of a decision as joining them and knowing who they were.

I don't know. But that's the point isn't it. 'She should have known better' is nonsense, she obviously didn't know better, and rather like her, I don't know why she joined.

Meh, that story is a couple of months old. It was in the news here in Holland back in august or something...

Anyway, I think she was stupid to join the FARC in the first place. And it is even more stupid to write these things down. It was bound to come out one day.

I bet she's rotting in the jungle now...:(

Another self-loathing white whore, what a shock.

Another male attempting to use a woman's sexuality as an insult against her, despite knowing nothing of her sex life.

What a shock.

Another troll attempting to troll.

What a shock.

Fixed.

Sorry, what did she 'get' exactly?

who knows really, but it doesn't sound good.
Nijmeijer has not been heard from since the diaries were found, which would not be unusual given the FARC's status as a clandestine rebel army. Former FARC members say they believe that whatever privileges Nijmeijer had, such as e-mail, have certainly now been rescinded.

Snapshots of Nijmeijer's family vacationing in Turkey -- without her -- were stored in a laptop found by soldiers during the June 18 raid that yielded her diary. potential threat to her family to keep her in line? hmmm...

Felipe Salazar, who quit the rebels last year, said Nijmeijer likely was punished for indirectly aiding the enemy -- forced to build trenches or demoted to cooking duty -- but not killed. He said Nijmeijer's only hope of being reunited with her family probably would be to embark on a risky escape.

added to the fact that if she was in the camp and wanted to escape, she could've surrendered to the Government forces. so either she was forced to run with the rebels or she wasn't there in the first place. :(


She made a mistake. Shouldn't she be allowed to try and fix it?yep. and I wish her the best of luck.

AND I hope she takes responsibility for her actions.

No, real Dutch people don't make misstakes.:p


LOLZ
how ironic that you misspelled the word mistake...:p


...or was that deliberate

I've got no sympathy for her, she's only got herself to blame for this. Sure, people make mistakes, but then most people's mistakes don't involve joining in with a bunch of murderous terrorists and drug dealers. This goes far beyond the usual idealism. Nobody forced her to go there, she could have just stayed at home and lived an ordinary life, so I don't see why she should get any help.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone would willingly join the FARC, especially a seemingly well-educated person with access to information about the group.

I can somewhat understand deluded Westerners joining romantic "national liberation" movements or other such groups of thugs and murderers that are beloved by liberal academia. But the consensus across the political spectrum is that the FARC is a cocaine cartel with a thin veneer of politics on top.

I'm just baffled why this woman would join a group like FARC. It seems like the equivalent of joining a Chinese Triad or the Sicilian Mafia in an attempt to make the world better.

I'm tired, tired of the FARC, tired of the people, tired of communal living. Tired of never having anything for myself,

Selfish bitch. What is she smoking? Ayn Rand?

Selfish bitch. What is she smoking? Ayn Rand?

...A-a-ayn Rand? *crawls into corner*


*shudder*

Can you feel the hostility I am radiating towards this lamebrain? (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/25/dutch.guerrilla.ap/index.html)

So, she doesn't want to fight alongside the FARC anymore? Too bad. She signed up with what is probably easily classified as the most brutal terrorist organization in the western hemisphere, because she believed in a delusional ideology that blinded her to the fact that they're nothing more than a pathetic cocaine cartel. Some people on these forums would be well advised to learn from her stupidity.

This is all her fault. Her ignorance led her into the situation, and the fact that she made no attempt to educate herself on the reality of the situation alone condemns her.

Those harsh words being said, it's wrong to penalize her too unjustly for her genuine ignorance of the reality of the situation (even though that could have easily been availed by a trip to the library/viewing a credible online source). Idealism can wrap some people up sometimes. She shouldn't be abandoned to the FARC. If nothing else, she could be very useful in spreading the truth on FARC and Colombia.

Can you feel the hostility I am radiating towards this lamebrain? (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/25/dutch.guerrilla.ap/index.html)

So, she doesn't want to fight alongside the FARC anymore? Too bad. She signed up with what is probably easily classified as the most brutal terrorist organization in the western hemisphere, because she believed in a delusional ideology that blinded her to the fact that they're nothing more than a pathetic cocaine cartel. Some people on these forums would be well advised to learn from her stupidity.

:eek: SHE LOOKS LIKE THE 20 YEAR OLD VERSION OF A CLASSMATE I HAVE!