NationStates Jolt Archive


Software Police: Stomping on the Little Guy

Sel Appa
25-11-2007, 21:31
Did you know that Microsoft, Apple, Symantec, Adobe, and some other companies are members of this software police organization that identifies and threatens/sues people who "violate" license agreements? The Business Software Alliance (http://www.bsa.org) finds violators of license agreements and sends them letters to pay some exorbitant royalty, often far more than annual income for a small business. The businesses have no choice but to pay because they can't afford good legal defense. Often, they don't even know there is a "violation". Software may not be removed from a computer that no longer needs it and installed on another one, which is apparently against the license.

Not surprisingly, the licenses are complex and vary widely. They are often hard to follow and can be inadvertently violated easily. The BSA does not offer much help to try and comply with the licenses. That way, they can collect money in a settlement and still get compliance. Also, they often demand much more than the program licenses would have cost. The BSA uses sneaky tactics like rewarding employees who turn in their companies.

This has thoroughly convinced me to dump all the programs that are from BSA members that I can. I already use Firefox instead of IE and Foxit Reader instead of Adobe Acrobat which took a year to open anyway. Apparently I already have OpenOffice, so I'll start using that as well then...

Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org)
Foxit Reader (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php)
OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org)

Link (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071125/software_watchdog.html)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Michael Gaertner worried he could lose his company. A group called the Business Software Alliance had written him to claim that his 10-person architectural firm in Galveston, Texas, was using unlicensed software.

The letter demanded $67,000 -- most of one year's profit -- or else the BSA would seek more in court.

"It just scared the hell out of me," Gaertner said.

An analysis by The Associated Press reveals that targeting small businesses is a lucrative strategy for the Business Software Alliance, the main global copyright-enforcement watchdog for such companies as Microsoft Corp., Adobe Systems Inc. and Symantec Corp.

Of the $13 million that the BSA reaped in software violation settlements with North American companies last year, almost 90 percent came from small businesses, the AP found.

The BSA is well within its rights to wring expensive punishments aimed at stopping the willful, blatant software copying that undoubtedly happens in many businesses. And its leaders say they concentrate on small businesses because that's where illegitimate use of software is rampant.

But technology managers and software consultants say the picture has more shades of gray than the BSA acknowledges. Companies of all sizes say they inadvertently run afoul of licensing rules because of problems the software industry itself has created. Unable or unwilling to create technological blocks against copying, the industry has saddled its customers with complex licensing agreements that are hard to master.

In that view, the BSA amasses most of its bounties from small businesses because they have fewer technological, organizational and legal resources to avoid a run-in.

In Gaertner's case, some employees had been unable to open files with the firm's drafting software, so they worked around it by installing programs they found on their own, breaking company rules, he said. And receipts for legitimate software had been lost in the hubbub of running his company.

"It was basically just a lack of knowledge and sloppy record-keeping on my part," said Gaertner, who ended up with a settlement that cost him $40,000.

In the U.S., the largest software market, piracy rates have not budged in years. BSA critics say that is because making examples out of small businesses has little deterrent effect, since many company owners like Gaertner don't even realize they're violating copyrights.

"If they were going after actual pirates, that would be a different story, but they're going after hardworking companies," said Barbara Rembiesa, head of the International Association of Information Technology Asset Managers.

She founded the group to educate businesses on how to manage their software because she felt the industry wasn't doing enough of that, even as it was imposing steep penalties for noncompliance.

"If you were driving down the street and you got a speeding ticket, and there was no speed limit sign, it probably would be thrown out of court," she said.

Yet the BSA is getting more aggressive. Its CEO says software licenses aren't as difficult as many users contend. It has dropped an amnesty campaign for businesses. And this year it began dangling rewards of up to $1 million to disgruntled employees who anonymously report their bosses for using counterfeit or unlicensed software.

"The software vendors have every right to collect the license fees they're entitled to," said Tom Adolph, an attorney with Jackson Walker LLP who has defended against BSA claims. "It's the tactics of the BSA that rankle me."

The BSA was founded in 1988 to represent technology companies on many fronts, and its members also include IBM Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Inc. The alliance spends more than $3 million a year on lobbying, prodding Congress on such issues as patent reform and Internet security.

But the most visible element is the BSA's fight against counterfeit software and illegal copying. Not all members are part of that effort; those that are include Microsoft, Adobe, Symantec, Autodesk Inc., Apple Inc. and McAfee Inc.

In countries with the highest piracy rates, the BSA has pushed governments to crack down, arguing that greater respect for intellectual-property laws would stimulate investment in their economies. In July, Chinese police who cooperated with the BSA and the FBI crushed rings that had been selling an estimated $2 billion worth of pirated Microsoft and Symantec software around the world.

These steps seem to work. The percentage of software in China that was not legitimately purchased is 82 percent, but that's down from 92 percent in 2003 and 96 percent a decade ago, according to BSA-commissioned market research.

Overall, the BSA says the worldwide piracy rate is 35 percent, down from 43 percent in 1996. However, the group says that because the industry has grown in that time, software companies' annual piracy losses have quadrupled. The BSA says piracy took a $40 billion bite out of a $246 billion industry in 2006.

In the United States, where the piracy rate is a worldwide-low 21 percent, the BSA's strategy includes working with law enforcement and Web sites like eBay to stop suspiciously cheap software sales online.

Beyond hunting for dicey characters buying and selling counterfeits, the BSA also devotes significant attention to other forms of what it calls piracy by business users. The money harvested in these company-by-company crackdowns is not parceled to its members whose copyrights were infringed; the funds stay with the BSA to fuel its operations. (BSA's worldwide settlements soared 53 percent last year to $56 million.)

Plenty of cases originate when a whistleblower reports that a company is intentionally cheating -- copying one program onto multiple PCs. In extreme cases, the BSA will get court approval to raid companies in search of evidence.

However, there are ways to get in trouble that do not begin with counterfeits or downloads. Companies sometimes legitimately buy software and fail to follow the letter of the licensing agreements that accompany the programs.

For example, computers often get handed down. Newer, faster machines go to employees who perform intensive technical work, and their old PCs go to colleagues with lesser needs.

Commonly an employee can transfer a copy of, say, expensive drafting software to a new machine. But many companies forget or don't realize that the software should be deleted from the old machine if the company has only one license for it -- even if the receptionist who gets the hand-me-down PC never uses drafting software.

The situation is further complicated because software licenses vary greatly. Some programs can be shared on multiple computers in an organization, or used by the same person on a home and office computer.

Multiply such oversights by dozens of software programs, and suddenly a BSA audit can lead to a charge of big-time piracy.

"They call it something awful, but sometimes you grow so fast, you can't keep control of everything," said Mike Lozicki, president of MediaLab Ventures LLC of Tampa, Fla., which paid the BSA $125,000. Lozicki said 12 percent of MediaLab's software was deemed out of compliance, much of it sitting unused. "It was some really obscure stuff," he said.

The BSA enforcement director, Jenny Blank, wouldn't comment on his case.

BSA audits zing companies for software that came with used computers they bought to save money. The BSA considers software pirated if a company can't produce a receipt for it, no matter how long ago it was purchased. Software boxes or certificates of authenticity are no help, because the BSA argues the software could have been obtained from an illegitimate source.

No wonder, then, there are companies that exist mainly to help other businesses track and comply with their software licenses.

Robert Holleyman, who has headed the BSA since 1990, countered by saying a lot of companies have figured out how to get their software licenses in order.

"I don't agree with the assumption that license management is necessarily a complex task," he said. "I think that to suggest that it's impossible to do -- which is not your word, but is your inference -- would belie the heroic efforts of the vast majority of software users."

Yet it's safe to say the software industry has not exactly handed its customers a product that is easy to manage. That's one reason why Britain's Federation Against Software Theft -- an industry group that, like the BSA, pursues scofflaw companies -- has a sister division that educates companies, for a fee, on how to stay compliant.

John Lovelock, the British group's director, said that if it undertook enforcement without the education program, "it would be half of a virtuous circle. It would give us only half of a solution."

The BSA does have some software-management tools and advice on the Web. And this summer, it partnered with the federal Small Business Administration to develop and publish educational materials about software compliance.

However, software-management gurus say the BSA could be far more active in assisting companies -- which are, after all, its members' customers.

"Instead of just being the software police, be the police in the sense of helping old ladies across the street," said Barbara Scott, a software consultant for Redemtech Inc. "The BSA could become more of a partner with organizations that they're hammering as well."

Rather than a helping hand, BSA targets say they feel a stinging slap.

After an audit, the BSA generally demands at least twice the retail price of software deemed out of compliance. It also seeks the "unbundled" price of software that is sold together. So if a company loaded too many copies of a $300 package of Microsoft Office, the BSA might tally the retail value of every element in the package -- Word, PowerPoint, Excel, etc. -- which totals more than $1,000, and then at least double that.

Rob Scott, an attorney with Scott & Scott LLP who specializes in defending against BSA claims, argues that by charging the unbundled rate, the alliance misrepresents U.S. copyright law, which counts product compilations as single works when it comes to assessing damages. (The BSA says Scott's reading misdefines "compilation.")

The BSA accurately points out that under copyright law, it could collect up to $150,000 per infringed work if it prevailed in a lawsuit, or $30,000 if the incident was unintentional. Neil MacBride, the group's head of legal affairs, calls the law's figures "draconian" and says that by seeking less, the BSA gives violators a break.

Another way the BSA used to rebut accusations that its copyright crackdown was all stick and no carrot was through occasional "grace periods" or "software truces." In those periods, the BSA would air ads in certain cities, reminding companies of software copyright rules and giving them 30 days to buy new licenses without penalty.

But the group no longer offers such amnesties.

"We just moved on to something different," Blank said. "You just don't do the same thing all the time or it gets old."

Lately, there's been another change in BSA tactics.

For years the group implored unhappy employees to report their companies for software piracy. "Nail Your Boss!" the ads said. But beginning in 2005, the BSA sweetened the deal by offering $50,000 rewards to whistleblowers in the U.S. It raised the limit to $200,000 last year, and now it is $1 million.

That matched the top reward of a smaller trade group, the Software and Information Industry Association, which has many of the same members, but not Microsoft. (SIIA also serves as a copyright watchdog for media companies, including The Associated Press, that want to stop their content from being misused online.)

Blank says the high reward is having its intended effect: It is bringing in more leads. However, she also says about half of all tipsters don't want any money.

It's unlikely the BSA will ever pay $1 million. The rewards have a sliding scale, with informants eligible for $1 million only if the resulting case reaps more than $15 million. The BSA's largest case, against what it called an "international media company," pulled in $3.5 million. Most informants collect closer to $5,000.

Even so, having rewards at all raises questions of whether the BSA creates a perverse incentive for employees who discover their organizations out of compliance: Should they help their bosses get squared away or try for a BSA jackpot?

Although whistleblowers aren't revealed to the target company, businesses often suspect the tipster was a technical employee -- even someone who had been responsible for handling software installations.

The BSA says people who intentionally load software improperly at a company are ineligible for rewards. But it can still bring a case sparked by someone who had let the problem fester.

That dynamic, coupled with the fact that software can be hard to manage, is why BSA critics contend the organization can get cash almost anywhere it pokes.

Blank disputes that notion. She said it's not worth the BSA's time to chase "onesy, twosy random noncompliance," so it focuses on the worst offenders.

Yet in 2005, her group pursued Mediaport Entertainment Inc. of Salt Lake City, where an audit revealed two unlicensed copies of Microsoft software. Retail value: $6,500. The BSA pressed for $16,500; the sides settled for an undisclosed amount.

Blank said she didn't recall the case.

When he directed BSA enforcement from 1993 to 2005, former federal prosecutor Bob Kruger didn't make much of grumbling from BSA targets. Mainly, he says, people were rationalizing software copying they knew was wrong.

"It's never fun to be investigated or audited or charged. I think it's human nature to say, `Well, you know it's not all my fault,'" Kruger said. "I don't think BSA was ever above reproach, but I think we always tried hard to run a program we could take pride in."

In particular, Kruger's group enjoyed big gains against piracy. Even in the U.S. it was over 30 percent in the 1990s, but it fell to 22 percent in 2003, according to the BSA-commissioned research.

"People are better now than they used to be. More often, it was the case in the past that BSA would identify organizations trying to get away with something," Kruger said. "More likely these days the disputes are going to center around negligence or sloppiness. It's not across the board, but I think it's a fair general statement. And that's because BSA has been, to some degree, successful in raising awareness."

Yet the campaign no longer shows momentum. The U.S. piracy rate ticked down to 21 percent in 2004, and there it remains.

So does the BSA need a new strategy?

"I think it's a fair question: What exactly is the problem the program is tackling now, as opposed to the problem it was tackling 10 years ago?" Kruger said. "If the problem is the same, that says something about the effectiveness of the program, doesn't it?"

Holleyman acknowledged that the BSA is finding it tough to have its "voice heard for the remaining part of the marketplace where there is piracy." But he said he sees no reason to try a dramatically new approach.

Top antipiracy executives at Microsoft and Autodesk praised the BSA for keeping piracy from rising; Autodesk said its experience supports the notion that smaller businesses have the biggest compliance problems. Other alliance members declined to comment.

They may be overlooking something: BSA targets commonly say they wish they didn't have to buy anything again from the companies that unleashed the alliance on them.

In one case, a BSA raid on musical-instrument maker Ernie Ball Inc. cost the company $90,000 in a settlement. Soon after, Microsoft sent other businesses in his region a flyer offering discounts on software licenses, along with a reminder not to wind up like Ernie Ball.

Enraged, CEO Sterling Ball vowed never to use Microsoft software again, even if "we have to buy 10,000 abacuses." He shifted to open-source software, which lacks such legal entanglements because its underlying code is freely distributed.

For many businesses, open-source has seemed technically daunting or unable to match the proprietary programs seen as essential in some industries. These days, however, the march of technology might be changing that.

That's one hope of Michael Gaertner, the architect who worried his BSA encounter would crush his business. Now he wants to rid himself of the Autodesk, Microsoft and Adobe software involved in the case.

"It's not like they have really good software. It's just that it's widespread and it's commonly used," Gaertner said. "It's going to be a while, but eventually, we plan to get completely disengaged from those software vendors that participate in the BSA."
United human countries
25-11-2007, 22:20
Screw open source.
Chumblywumbly
25-11-2007, 22:33
Did you know that Microsoft, Apple, Symantec, Adobe, and some other companies are members of this software police organization that identifies and threatens/sues people who “violate” license agreements?
How is that surprising in any way?

Anyhoos, I use Firefox, OpenOffice and Foxit reader already, for convenience’s sake more than any other. And I’m going for a long-overdue switchover to dual boot (I need teh games...) with XP and some Linux distro after I sexy up my compy this Christmas.

I've had enough of MS shenanigans.


Screw open source.
Feisty!
Bann-ed
25-11-2007, 22:35
Screw open source.

What about freeware and shareware?

Before you answer....think of the children. Think of your children if you have any. Or plan to have any.
Dyakovo
25-11-2007, 22:45
Did you know that Microsoft, Apple, Symantec, Adobe, and some other companies are members of this software police organization that identifies and threatens/sues people who "violate" license agreements?

And what is wrong with that? If you don't like the conditions of their license agreements just don't use their software
United human countries
25-11-2007, 22:45
I still would prefer an OS and the like by an established company.
Chumblywumbly
25-11-2007, 22:57
I still would prefer an OS and the like by an established company.
Yes, because we all know the likes of Adobe and MS produce easy-to-use, reliable software.
ColaDrinkers
25-11-2007, 23:17
This is why I use open source. I didn't leave Windows and other proprietary software behind because of any technical shortcomings, but because I was fed up with the hostile environment of that world. EULAs, serial keys, activations, phoning home, how most programs put shortcuts and icons in your Start menu, on your desktop and in systray and even steal file associations. Always having to be paranoid about what you install and if you can even trust your own computer. They scream at you to buy, show you ads and show you unfriendly warnings not to do anything they don't want with the program.

I've certainly come to appreciate some of the technical strengths of Linux, but what I'm really loving is how warm and welcoming it is. I still feel this way, years after switching. Everything is here for me just to use, in any way I want, with no crap and no strings attached. I hope that this is the future, but I just don't know. It seems that most people really have no problem with being treated as a potential thief by their own computer, as well as a target from which to extract money by any means possible. Not to mention that if everyone started using open source, the scum that currently ruin the Windows platform would surely switch and try to ruin Linux as well. It would be harder to corrupt Linux this way, but I'm afraid they'd find a way.

As for the BSA's tactics, even though they're assholes I can't say I have much sympathy for companies that knowingly pirate software for commercial purposes. It should probably be easier to be in compliance though, and copyright law definitely needs to be reworked to not suck so much.
Ruby City
25-11-2007, 23:29
If you don't like their license agreements don't use their products. There are plenty of alternatives so just switch to one of those. I know that's what the OP means but why nag on others to switch, if they are happy with those agreements that's fine for them.
I still would prefer an OS and the like by an established company.
Yeah who would trust Open Office from Sun Microsystems, with only $14 billion revenue it's not clear if they are a serious established company or just a small time scam. Than there is Lotus Symphony from IBM which is just a re-branded Open Office but even though their $91 billion revenue is almost twice of Microsoft's $51 billion they are still a bit too small to be trusted.:rolleyes:
Sel Appa
25-11-2007, 23:31
And what is wrong with that? If you don't like the conditions of their license agreements just don't use their software

It's too complex to understand and it shouldn't be so restrictive. Also, they demand far more in royalties than they deserve. And they make the programs prohibitively expensive. How can they complain about piracy when it's impossible to buy their crap. If I buy a program, I should be able to install it on as many computers as I own. Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Age of Empires II for each of the 3 computers I have it on. The companies can go fuck themselves. They're a bunch of crooks anyway. Power to the Pirates/People. Software should be open source.
Dyakovo
25-11-2007, 23:33
It's too complex to understand and it shouldn't be so restrictive. If I buy a program, I should be able to install it on as many computers as I own. Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Age of Empires II for each of the 3 computers I have it on. The companies can go fuck themselves. Power to the Pirates/People. They're a bunch of crooks anyway. Software should be open source.

Wah
Ruby City
25-11-2007, 23:40
Power to the Pirates/People. Software should be open source.
You contradict yourself. First you praise pirating costly closed source software then you praise free open source software. Make up your mind, should software be closed or open?
Creepy Lurker
25-11-2007, 23:49
You contradict yourself. First you praise pirating costly closed source software then you praise free open source software. Make up your mind, should software be closed or open?

He/She probably just means that software should be free ;)
Eureka Australis
26-11-2007, 00:01
Vote 1 Pirate Party.
Theoretical Physicists
26-11-2007, 00:07
The issue with open source is it tends to be difficult to use and have terrible documentation. There are exceptions, such as the Mozilla projects like Firefox and Thunderbird. OpenOffice is also a nice piece of software, and I personally feel that Pidgin is superior to Microsoft's MSN client.

On the other hand, an awful lot of closed source software is dreadful too. Microsoft's decisions with every OS starting with XP to make setting things up manually a huge pain in the ass is not something I approve of.

Back to the topic at hand, if you are a business, do not break the license agreements for your software. You are likely to be caught and it will cost you. If the licenses are too expensive, use an open source alternative.
Jeruselem
26-11-2007, 00:25
I think I've violated every one my licence agreements so far ... :p
Except the one for my ZoneAlarm firewall.
Sel Appa
26-11-2007, 00:28
I think I've violated every one my licence agreements so far ... :p
Except the one for my ZoneAlarm firewall.

Nice. :D
UpwardThrust
26-11-2007, 00:30
Wah

You act jokingly ... in some cases we have to have a software specialists evaluate the licensing for some of our client companies at my work just because they can be SO complex with shifting and remote access user base that it can take a lot to just get it ironed out so they are legal ...
UpwardThrust
26-11-2007, 00:41
The issue with open source is it tends to be difficult to use and have terrible documentation. There are exceptions, such as the Mozilla projects like Firefox and Thunderbird. OpenOffice is also a nice piece of software, and I personally feel that Pidgin is superior to Microsoft's MSN client.

Where you see a bit of difficulty I usually see functionality, leaving the power in the hands of the user is exactly what I require out of software and operating systems

As far as documentation, goes this is one part that open source excels at, it may be a bit tough to use all the feature sets but I always know I can find out how to do it in the manual pages.


On the other hand, an awful lot of closed source software is dreadful too. Microsoft's decisions with every OS starting with XP to make setting things up manually a huge pain in the ass is not something I approve of.

Back to the topic at hand, if you are a business, do not break the license agreements for your software. You are likely to be caught and it will cost you. If the licenses are too expensive, use an open source alternative.
Like tax code it often pays to hire someone who knows ... I know we save some of our small business clients in the order of 100 - 200 a month easy by knowing some of the tricks of the trade. Our larger companies it is more like in the thousands...
Dryks Legacy
26-11-2007, 02:27
Not only to Microsoft want you to beta testing their buggy unreliable software, they want you to pay for it, repeatedly and follow their rules. I think that they're lacking basic understanding what a software producer is supposed to be getting paid for.
Bann-ed
26-11-2007, 02:44
If you can't stomp on the little guy, what good is he?
Divine Imaginary Fluff
26-11-2007, 02:54
I still would prefer an OS and the like by an established company.There are several established companies making Linux distributions and contributing to its development. As well as other well-established and reliable groups, though non-commercial. For example, the BSD projects, most significantly FreeBSD and OpenBSD. The second would be what likely amounts to the most secure modern operating system, and the former a longstanding rival of Linux in terms of performance and stability; these are also more centralized and orderly developed, everything kept together in one place as a complete operating system.
Divine Imaginary Fluff
26-11-2007, 03:08
Not only to Microsoft want you to beta testing their buggy unreliable software, they want you to pay for it, repeatedly and follow their rules. I think that they're lacking basic understanding what a software producer is supposed to be getting paid for.They have a great understanding of what they can be getting paid for, and as any major business (that's how it becomes one), that is their goal. Business-wise, they are highly skilled, and they will continue to use of that skill to remain in their position for as long as they can.
Angry Fruit Salad
26-11-2007, 03:58
Sooo...I was violating a software license when I took software I bought for my old machine, and installed it on my new machine after the old one pretty much self-destructed? Psh. Whoever decided on that can go fuck himself/herself/itself. It's completely irrational. Users are generally instructed to only have the software installed on one machine at a time. Well, that's exactly what you're doing here -- installing it on one machine. It's effectively nonexistent on a destroyed/unused machine, so what's the big deal?
Dryks Legacy
26-11-2007, 04:04
Sooo...I was violating a software license when I took software I bought for my old machine, and installed it on my new machine after the old one pretty much self-destructed? Psh. Whoever decided on that can go fuck himself/herself/itself. It's completely irrational. Users are generally instructed to only have the software installed on one machine at a time. Well, that's exactly what you're doing here -- installing it on one machine. It's effectively nonexistent on a destroyed/unused machine, so what's the big deal?

It's perfectly rational, they can get away with it and it gets them more money.
Sel Appa
26-11-2007, 04:27
Sooo...I was violating a software license when I took software I bought for my old machine, and installed it on my new machine after the old one pretty much self-destructed? Psh. Whoever decided on that can go fuck himself/herself/itself. It's completely irrational. Users are generally instructed to only have the software installed on one machine at a time. Well, that's exactly what you're doing here -- installing it on one machine. It's effectively nonexistent on a destroyed/unused machine, so what's the big deal?

I wonder, if your computer is completely obliterated or falls in a blender (http://www.willitblend.com) if you still can't install a program on another computer...
Posi
26-11-2007, 04:59
I still would prefer an OS and the like by an established company.Novell, a billion dollar company, sells Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop. Is a billion dollars not established?

Sooo...I was violating a software license when I took software I bought for my old machine, and installed it on my new machine after the old one pretty much self-destructed? Psh. Whoever decided on that can go fuck himself/herself/itself. It's completely irrational. Users are generally instructed to only have the software installed on one machine at a time. Well, that's exactly what you're doing here -- installing it on one machine. It's effectively nonexistent on a destroyed/unused machine, so what's the big deal?If you have to buy it again, you just doubled the money you handed over to them. If 10% of there user base does this, they increase revenue by 10%.

Relevant Suggestions for Windows Users:
Foobar 2000 (http://www.foobar2000.org/) Music player. Purposely hard to use, but if you can change its entire functionality at will. Requires learning a coding language and reading allot of documentation to get anywhere with it.
Songbird (http://www.songbirdnest.com/) Music player. It feels like iTunes while playing local music, but is designed to play media off webpages. It uses Firefoxes rendering engine to view web pages, and it will find all playable media off it.
VideoLAN Client (VLC) (http://www.videolan.org/) Media Player. Plays everything and anything.
The GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/) Raster Graphics Editor. It is about a version or so behind Photoshop in terms of features, but the core features all work well. Some say it is too hard to use, but then so is Photoshop.
Dryks Legacy
26-11-2007, 04:59
Relevant Suggestions for Windows Users:
Foobar 2000 (http://www.foobar2000.org/) Music player. Purposely hard to use, but if you can change its entire functionality at will. Requires learning a coding language and reading allot of documentation to get anywhere with it.
Songbird (http://www.songbirdnest.com/) Music player. It feels like iTunes while playing local music, but is designed to play media off webpages. It uses Firefoxes rendering engine to view web pages, and it will find all playable media off it.
VideoLAN Client (VLC) (http://www.videolan.org/) Media Player. Plays everything and anything.
The GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/) Raster Graphics Editor. It is about a version or so behind Photoshop in terms of features, but the core features all work well. Some say it is too hard to use, but then so is Photoshop.

Do any of them split multiple artists up in the library like Windows Media Player does? Because that's the main thing that's keeping me from changing from it.
UpwardThrust
26-11-2007, 05:05
Do any of them split multiple artists up in the library like Windows Media Player does? Because that's the main thing that's keeping me from changing from it.
I hear amarok 2 is coming to windows but it is on the slow track
Posi
26-11-2007, 05:22
Do any of them split multiple artists up in the library like Windows Media Player does? Because that's the main thing that's keeping me from changing from it.Foobar2000 can, but read the note I said above. In its default state, Foobar2000 does little. However, it can be set up to split up like WMP.