NationStates Jolt Archive


The Political Horse Race and the Choosing of US Presidential Candidates

Cannot think of a name
21-11-2007, 18:03
I have been frustrated by claims of inevitability regarding who is going to win what primary and/or election and started to wonder where that kind of thing comes from. Of course, the answer is obvious. Even people who pat themselves on the back for 'thinking for themselves' often just get their information, and thus shape their opinions, from an alternative source.

I was wondering how much of this was in my head, so I've opened up the politics pages for CNN (http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/), Fox (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html), MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18970417/), NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/topic.php?topicId=1014), The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/index.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1195660388-L07gCtUljSI9Uedk4GSorw), CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/politics/main250.shtml), and ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/politics). These are links to the politics pages and what I will say about them relates to the stories they have now, when I write this. When you click them, depending on time, they will have different stories. I encourage you to update the observations as the pages change to further evaluate the subject.

My argument is that the horse race is what is reported more than the the campaigns themselves, and that self perpetuates front runners and allows the media to essentially chose the candidates rather nakedly. Part of that is obvious, since the media is the main gate over whether or not we take a candidate seriously or not. If they so deem that the candidate doesn't stand a chance, that person gets no coverage and therefore doesn't stand a chance. Sort of self-fulfilling.

But lets look at the reporting, starting with CNN (http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/):
Their lead story at the moment is reporting on the War of Words (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/20/clinton.obama/index.html) between Clinton and Obama. Essentially it's just a short piece of snipping about foreign policy experience and is anemic at best. But for generosity, we'll consider that policy coverage as it focuses on differences in the candidates experience..

On their 'Top Stories' list the first election story is one on Clinton's lead (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/20/poll.dems.nh/index.html). This is a considerably larger article and details the breakdown of the polls.

Now, to be fair, there is discussion of policy in this article, but look at how it is couched-
"One issue that appears to hurt Clinton in Iowa is Iraq," said CNN polling director Keating Holland. "Caucus-goers think Obama can handle that issue better than Clinton. The reverse is true in New Hampshire -- although not by much. Twenty-seven percent said Clinton would best handle the war; 21 percent favored Obama.
In the terms of the horse race, not in the terms of what it is that the candidates are proposing or offering.

Second up, Huckabee (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/20/huckabee.iowa/index.html) in a story that could be about position and policy, but even it degenerates into horse race reporting-
Two polls out last week show Huckabee gaining ground -- second place in one and a statistical dead heat with front-runner Mitt Romney in another.

It is support from evangelicals like Whiting that is driving Huckabee's surge in Iowa, where Christian conservatives make up an estimated 40 percent of the GOP vote.

McCain (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/19/mccain.new.hampshire/index.html) gets similar treatment when addressing and actual issue, national security, in New Hampshire.
To win in the New Hampshire primary, McCain needs the support of the Independent voters who helped him win in 2000, many of whom are wary of his support of the Iraq war.

"Most Republicans support the war. Most Independents don't," CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider said. "Any gains McCain makes with Republicans on the war are likely to be negated by losses among Independents."

If he fails to strike that delicate balance the Arizona Republican may have to cash in his chips and go home in January.

Finally, we have a non-poll driven story about Firefighters criticizing Giuliani (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/20/giuliani.firefighters.ap/index.html), but it does have the link to the side about Giuliani's electability poll in Nevada... (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/16/nv.gop.poll/index.html)

Finally, yet another story on the Republican horse race (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/19/nh.gop.poll/index.html).

We have a blurb on a catfight, and a three to two ratio on the race vs. policy reporting, and even then, the policy is couched in terms of the horse race.

On to Fox (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html), where they lead with Obama's drug comments to young voters (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312352,00.html). There'd be a comment here, except that at least it's not about polls or fund raising...in fact, polls are only mentioned in the 'context other information' section of the last paragraphs-
Obama, whose campaign was riding high Tuesday on the results of the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll that put him ahead of Hillary Clinton in early-voting Iowa, made the stop in Manchester to unveil his $18 billion education program.
...wait, why isn't the education program the story? Different issue, but worth noting.

In the headlines we get some fundraising reporting (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312366,00.html), a more detailed account of the cat fight (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312375,00.html), but then features a poll averages graphic prominently, no reading needed, just check the numbers.

In the YouDecide (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youdecide2008/index.html) section theres the itenerary article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312373,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/youdecide2008), and then the most sinister of the horse race articles, ones which jump both primaries and decide the actual Presidential race (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312270,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/youdecide2008), this time Giuliani and Clinton...

Christ this is long...fuck it, you get the point. There are links if you want to prove me wrong (Fox actually does have a fair amount of 'policy' reporting, criticisms about their bias aside.)

So, does the media focus too much on the horse race and does that focus artificially create front runners or is the reporting simply following it, not leading it?

Or is it a case of tl,dr even though I bitched out after the second of my seven examples...
Greater Trostia
21-11-2007, 18:13
Something that annoys me is people who vote based on who's most likely to get the most votes.

It's even worse when they criticize me for voting based on silly things like political stances on issues. Like I'm the one not using my brain.
Cannot think of a name
21-11-2007, 18:21
Something that annoys me is people who vote based on who's most likely to get the most votes.

It's even worse when they criticize me for voting based on silly things like political stances on issues. Like I'm the one not using my brain.
Well, that's kind of the bill of goods they've been sold that I'm getting at. If we decide an inanimate rod is electable, or more importantly if it is decided that an inanimate rod makes a better story, is it really that inevitable?

What I mean, is that electability actually inherent or a product of reporting the horse race over the policy/position?
Greater Trostia
21-11-2007, 18:28
Well, that's kind of the bill of goods they've been sold that I'm getting at. If we decide an inanimate rod is electable, or more importantly if it is decided that an inanimate rod makes a better story, is it really that inevitable?

What I mean, is that electability actually inherent or a product of reporting the horse race over the policy/position?

I think you already know the answer to this question. Of course it's not inherent! What we have here is a mass-media fed self-fulfilling-prophecy-machine.
Drewlio
21-11-2007, 18:30
Don't look to the controled media to find your answers - they force feed you.(brainwashing).

Look at each candidate on your issues - make your own list - compile your own resources. Start with www.ronpaul2008.com

Your life is yours, your job, your home, your family and your country should be an extension of you, not the result of someone else.

Be smarter than they expect you be, then you will be in control rather than being controlled.
Cannot think of a name
21-11-2007, 18:31
Don't look to the controled media to find your answers - they force feed you.(brainwashing).

Look at each candidate on your issues - make your own list - compile your own resources. Start with www.ronpaul2008.com

Your life is yours, your job, your home, your family and your country should be an extension of you, not the result of someone else.

Be smarter than they expect you be, then you will be in control rather than being controlled.
Yeah, 'kay...not looking to be sold a candidate, and am fully aware of where to find their policy...that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the tone of coverage and whether or not it's self fulfilling. I'm not looking for advice, I'm looking for discussion.
Drewlio
21-11-2007, 18:40
Yeah, 'kay...not looking to be sold a candidate, and am fully aware of where to find their policy...that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the tone of coverage and whether or not it's self fulfilling. I'm not looking for advice, I'm looking for discussion.

Its all BS - the TV and 95% of all Print is utter crap- selling the ads and selling the policy - be bold - look inside yourself - stop asking why and be the person you know you can be - step up, wake up and end your alphabet with xyz not y.
Cannot think of a name
21-11-2007, 18:49
Its all BS - the TV and 95% of all Print is utter crap- selling the ads and selling the policy - be bold - look inside yourself - stop asking why and be the person you know you can be - step up, wake up and end your alphabet with xyz not y.

You don't seem to understand. I am not looking for advice. This is a prompt for discussion about media criticism. Your soapbox is misplaced. You started off (sort of) okay with the kind of lacking sweeping comment "It's all BS," and even attempted a follow up/support with 'selling the ads' but then went adrift with the 'selling the policy,' since my criticism (and it seems maybe yours) is that the policy isn't what is given the spotlight but rather polls and fundraising, what I'm referring to as 'the horse race.'

Then you went back off the rails in the mistaken assumption that I'm looking for advice on where to find my news. I'm not. Please stop offering it. Focus.
HotRodia
21-11-2007, 19:55
I'm pretty ambivalent on the question of whether or not the media reporting on candidates results in a widespread Pygmalion Effect.

I've seen lots of people who just go with the media flow, and lots of people who don't give a fuck about what the media says, either because they're devoutly religious or because they're devoutly skeptical.

I figure media coverage can give a candidate a bump, which is something we've known for a long time, but I don't think that the media essentially makes the winner.
Laerod
21-11-2007, 20:30
So, does the media focus too much on the horse race and does that focus artificially create front runners or is the reporting simply following it, not leading it?

Or is it a case of tl,dr even though I bitched out after the second of my seven examples...Hard to say. You'd need to gather two equally representative groups and shield one from the polls to see if it makes a difference. I think there's a certain influence reporting on polls has on voters, but I don't think its all that harmful (at least not because of that).