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They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)

Most inane analogy ever?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with whale hunting. Fail.
Nor did it have anything to do with the Japanese 'going against the rest of the world'. Fail.
Nor are the Japanese known for 'going against the rest of the world'. Fail.
Whale hunting is not a fascist policy. Fail.

When a Japanese ship is named "Maru" what exactly does that mean?

When a Japanese ship is named "Maru" what exactly does that mean?

Beats me, what does Maru mean?

Beats me, what does Maru mean?

Maru is Japanese for ship.

Sorry, I'm wrong about this. I'll try to do better checking facts.

Cause atomic bombs are beneficial for Pacific maritime wildlife? :confused:

They can mutate and defend themselves *nods*

Cause atomic bombs are beneficial for Pacific maritime wildlife? :confused:

They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)

Wait ... you couldn't possibly be suggesting that we nuke Japan if they continue to hunt whales ... could you?

As I support the annual seal hunt here, I support Japan's right to its whale hunt, provided it's done with a sound approach and not just an aim and fire one.

Most inane analogy ever?
Ever.

When a Japanese ship is named "Maru" what exactly does that mean?

Maru is usually a suffix for names, particularly of ships. I think it literally means "well rounded" but in the context of vessels means safe return.

Wait ... you couldn't possibly be suggesting that we nuke Japan if they continue to hunt whales ... could you?

No, no, but being a ceteacean rights activist, this really pisses me off.

No, no, but being a ceteacean rights activist, this really pisses me off.The best strategy would be to convince the Japanese populace of this, not to go on rants. That's not going to change anything.

This is an excerpt from today's newspaper that I applauded. Bold stuff is mine.

Koalas have become so numerous on Kangaroo Island that they are destroying their habitat (We were the ones that put them there in the first place by the way). The Government has refused to cull koalas because, it says it would impact badly on tourism. Apparently it is thought that Japanese visitors, in particular would turn away. I have an idea. Why not cull the koalas, but say that we are killing them for scientific research, as the Japanese do in their whaling. They could hardly object, could they?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with whale hunting. Fail.

It was a metaphor

Nor did it have anything to do with the Japanese 'going against the rest of the world'. Fail.
Here where almost all other nations, especially first world nations, are moving away from whaling and dolphin hunting, Japan is embracing it.

Nor are the Japanese known for 'going against the rest of the world'. Fail.
Meh.
Whale hunting is not a fascist policy. Fail.
That's hard to call my friend, facism is just meaning war like, that doesn't have to mean war on humans or countries.

Maybe through advance genetic engineering and nanotechnology we can give whales nuclear capability. I think if there were a chance that harpooning a whale could set off a 50 megaton blast, the japanese might look into eating more chicken. :p

The best strategy would be to convince the Japanese populace of this, not to go on rants. That's not going to change anything.

Unfortunately, I know, but alas, I am neither a diplomat to Japan or even in Japan at all, nor have I ever been to Japan.

That's hard to call my friend, facism is just meaning war like, that doesn't have to mean war on humans or countries.

You don't know how to spell fascism or what it means, and your analogy was incorrect in every aspect thus deriving it of any validity. You fail.

It was a metaphor
And a bad one at that. You're comparing supporting Hitler with hunting whales.


Here where almost all other nations, especially first world nations, are moving away from whaling and dolphin hunting, Japan is embracing it.
Is that why they're doing it? I doubt it very highly, but feel free to present evidence that they are

That's hard to call my friend, facism is just meaning war like

Fascism does not mean war like. To quote wikipedia:
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

Maru is usually a suffix for names, particularly of ships. I think it literally means "well rounded" but in the context of vessels means safe return.

That's pretty cool. Thanks.

That's hard to call my friend, facism is just meaning war like, that doesn't have to mean war on humans or countries.


Oh EPIC FAIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism).

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean.

Unfortunately, I know, but alas, I am neither a diplomat to Japan or even in Japan at all, nor have I ever been to Japan.Diplomats don't interact with local populations all that much. Activists on the other hand...

This is an excerpt from today's newspaper that I applauded. Bold stuff is mine.

i think we can get away with it, if we say they are deadly drop bears and not koalas

i think we can get away with it, if we say they are deadly drop bears and not koalas

That's a good idea :D

In any case I think that the tourists would hate it just as much if they all starved to death and took the rest of the island with them.

Fascism does not mean war like. To quote wikipedia:
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

Greenpeace could, by a small stretch, be considered fascistic. It considers individual and other societal interests subordinate, not to the interests of the state, but to the interests of the environment and it attempts to enforce this subordination with violence.

For the record, I find the hunting of whales an, at best, questionable activity for any "civilized" culture. I except the Inuit and other tribal people who do it on a limited basis for food and use the whole whale, not just select parts of it.

i think we can get away with it, if we say they are deadly drop bears and not koalas

RELEASE THE DROP BEARS!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Mercury_Hat/dropbears.png

They can mutate and defend themselves *nods*Nuke the gay baby whales for jesus?*

*Just a joke no offense intended towards gays, babies, whales or Jesus, amen...

Greenpeace could, by a small stretch, be considered fascistic. It considers individual and other societal interests subordinate, not to the interests of the state, but to the interests of the environment and it attempts to enforce this subordination with violence.

well, If we are going to go so technically into the definition of fascism, than perhaps we should look into that it may not always be a bad thing. Also, consider that since we are all part of the environment, as much as some of us may like to deny it, therefore we are all natrually subordinate to it anyway?

For the record, I find the hunting of whales an, at best, questionable activity for any "civilized" culture. I except the Inuit and other tribal people who do it on a limited basis for food and use the whole whale, not just select parts of it.
Testify!

[QUOTE=The Far Echo Islands;13228416]It was a metaphor


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1: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money.

This is the Miriam-Webster Dictionary definition of metaphor. So, what you said wasn't a metaphor, it was a poorly conceived lead in to an argument.

I agree that hunting whales is bad, but I suggest that your credibility suffers when you use words incorrectly and when you posit topics for discussion in a deliberately inflammatory manner.

well, If we are going to go so technically into the definition of fascism, than perhaps we should look into that it may not always be a bad thing. Also, consider that since we are all part of the environment, as much as some of us may like to deny it, therefore we are all natrually subordinate to it anyway?What exactly do you mean with "part of the environment"? Technically speaking, we make our own.

nope thinking more of the ones with big claws and fangsIn my defence, I didn't draw it and the person that asked for it was deeply disappointed as well.

RELEASE THE DROP BEARS!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Mercury_Hat/dropbears.png

nope thinking more of the ones with big claws and fangs

nope thinking more of the ones with big claws and fangs

I like the koalas - they're vicious when you get them away from their eucalyptus trees.

In my defence, I didn't draw it and the person that asked for it was deeply disappointed as well.

i use to use a good one i find on the net,but can't find it

[QUOTE=The Far Echo Islands;13228416]It was a metaphor


QUOTE]

1: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money.

This is the Miriam-Webster Dictionary definition of metaphor. So, what you said wasn't a metaphor, it was a poorly conceived lead in to an argument.

I agree that hunting whales is bad, but I suggest that your credibility suffers when you use words incorrectly and when you posit topics for discussion in a deliberately inflammatory manner.

Well, I suppose it could be more of a symbol, true, as the nuclear bombs show that Japan did not surrender until we deployed the ultimate weapon of destruction on them, and here, where once again, the world is telling them not to, to just give it up, they are still going after their idealisms, and it will take big action to make Japan realise the idocy of what they are doing.

note: by that I do not mean to sound like I'm encouraging Greenpeace to do anything harmful to the Japs. I'm just saying something does need to be done.

I like the koalas - they're vicious when you get them away from their eucalyptus trees.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/zxc_047/dropbear.jpg

yes i just find it again , saved it and upload it

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/zxc_047/dropbear.jpg

yes i just find it again , saved it and upload it

:D

i think we can get away with it, if we say they are deadly drop bears and not koalas

The legend of the drop bear is phenomenal.

[QUOTE=Anti-Social Darwinism;13228474]

Well, I suppose it could be more of a symbol, true, as the nuclear bombs show that Japan did not surrender until we deployed the ultimate weapon of destruction on them, and here, where once again, the world is telling them not to, to just give it up, they are still going after their idealisms, and it will take big action to make Japan realise the idocy of what they are doing.

note: by that I do not mean to sound like I'm encouraging Greenpeace to do anything harmful to the Japs. I'm just saying something does need to be done.
Then let greenpeace do to the Japanese whaling boats what they try to do (or at least used to) to American aircraft carriers

Maru is Japanese for ship.

"I met this hot chick in the generics section of the pharmacy today. Her name was Woman."

There are many large-scale idiocies current in the world, most of whom consider themself perfectly justified. Should we nuke all of them?

The legend of the drop bear is phenomenal.

yup now only if we can get the Big cats to be too

Should Hiroshima and Nagasaki given them enough energy? Why are they resorting to whale blubber?

In my defence, I didn't draw it and the person that asked for it was deeply disappointed as well.

I think it's awesome. <<

I think it's awesome. <<Great. Now I feel bad about not having drawn it ... :(

...

I think that your post is simply disgusting.
Also, I guess that you'd wish for a couple of nukes on top of Norway and Iceland, too, don't you.
After reading your post, I feel for the first time ever a sudden interest in eating whale meat.

They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)

:rolleyes:

I might try import some Japanese whale just to piss off commie activists.

I might try import some Japanese whale just to piss off commie activists.That's funny, because the commies will probably not give a damn.

I might try import some Japanese whale just to piss off commie activists.
Ah yes, I remember now:

“Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your whale blubber.”

While I agree with Greenpeace in substance, the hyperbole is distasteful... as is the OP. Fascists...? Referencing atomic bombings?

If you're gonna be emo about this at least make relevant statements, please.

Anyway...

I think this is a dangerous precedent. There are a lot of things that the nations of the world have collectively agreed to stay away from, and the fact that this Japanese fleet is going out there without regard for the moratorium on hunting Humpback Whales is disturbing. More than that, I find it dishonorable.

Mind you, this doesn't, in my mind, justify a world Government or court system.

I just think maybe a little piracy is in order here. Perhaps Greenpeace shouldn't be nonviolent after all?

I guess Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t enough to get the Japanese to listen…


They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)

Hmmm, is he advocating giving greenpeace nukes to use on the Japanese?

That would be rather amusing

If Japan is hunting Wales then it might provoke a nuclear reaction by the UK. Though the situation might be defused if the Japanese tell them it's only a cod.

There might be an opportunity to bring green peas into the equation if the chips are down. Though I'm not sure if it's really my plaice to say. They might also have a hard time convincing them it's a cod. What with the fact that it's a mammal and the boxes of fish fingers would have to be much bigger.

Just a few points here...

"They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can."

So do we in the USA. And Iranians, and Israelis and Taiwanese also defy everybody else. And... Norwegians hunt whales... Canadians club baby seals... China leads the world in CO2 emmissions... Britain defies the EU and Swedes won't adopt the Euro.


Ya know, in some way, EVERBODY defies everybody else, somehow.

That's probably a good thing, on the whole. Not necessarily for the whales, but on the whole.

"I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists."

Sooo... let me get this straight. You wish a small, unelected group the best of luck in using intimidation, harrassment, and even violence to affect the choices of a nation that is a DEMOCRACY... but somehow the whalehunters are the fascists?

I like whales. I really do. But I despise BS.

I like whales. I really do. But I despise BS.

Me too, got any good recipes? :p

They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)

Fail.

Whale hunting is not a fascist policy. Fail.it kind of sucks though. it's like clubbing very, very large baby seals, who are probably at least as intelligent (and definitely a lot nicer to each other and other animals) as we are.

it kind of sucks though. it's like clubbing very, very large baby seals, who are probably at least as intelligent (and definitely a lot nicer to each other and other animals) as we are.

No, No and No. Humans are he most smartest Animal on this planet and short of an extraterastreial Invasion, Always will be. Not only that but If its not close to extinctic,we should be able to hunt it.

No, No and No. Humans are he most smartest Animal on this planet and short of an extraterastreial Invasion, Always will be. Not only that but If its not close to extinctic,we should be able to hunt it.

smartest but unable to spell-check apparently :headbang:

smartest but unable to spell-check apparently :headbang:

I made a few spelling errors and I am sick. Give me a break. The Most Smartest thing was a bad joke.

I liked the article better when it was posted 2 days ago. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543430

I never really understood the infatuation with whales. I myself have a bit of an obsession with birds of prey, but they are sleek, powerful apex predators. Whales are essentially floating, mewling fat bags with barnacles on them.

I never really understood the infatuation with whales. I myself have a bit of an obsession with birds of prey, but they are sleek, powerful apex predators. Whales are essentially floating, mewling fat bags with barnacles on them.

To each their own?

I never really understood the infatuation with whales. I myself have a bit of an obsession with birds of prey, but they are sleek, powerful apex predators. Whales are essentially floating, mewling fat bags with barnacles on them

That can jump 20 feet in the air and sing. So lets see your birds now, they can't even swim.

Didn't we allready have a thread about this particular subject? Or is this an entirely other subject namely that Imperialistic Japan is still alive because they hunt whales?

Either way, what a waste of time.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/KilliansPub/nuke-the-whales8.jpg

Maru is usually a suffix for names, particularly of ships. I think it literally means "well rounded" but in the context of vessels means safe return.
Technically maru 丸 just means round or circle, but, yes, adding it to ship names is traditional in the hopes that said boat makes it back home.

That's hard to call my friend, facism is just meaning war like, that doesn't have to mean war on humans or countries.

Dude, I agree that whale hunting is horrible and that the Japanese ought to stop right this instant, but come ON! You demonstrate a complete inability to understand what fascism is here! You really make your case look bad.

I have come to the conclusion that fighting GP, the SSCS, FotE, and supporters of the ALF, ELF, and EF terrorist organizations is a no-win scenario. No matter how many times you defeat their arguments with sound logic and reasoning they come back with the same tired emotionally-based retorts and violent tactics in an attempt to wear down opposition and compensate for their intellectual shortcomings.

If GP does assault these sailors they will probably temporarily lose their tax-exempt status in the US again like they did in 1977 when Paul Watson assaulted seal hunters, an action which got him expelled from the group.

Environmental extremists have a history of violence that is often kept hidden from the public out of sympathy for their cause but the violence and cultist methods will only serve to hurt the cause of environmental protection. Instead of using arguments based on feelings base them instead on evidence and sound reasoning. Don't use or support violence. It will help a lot more than what is being done and planned right now.

Whale hunting is not a fascist policy. Fail.

The effective racist part of it is. Asians feel superior to basically everything--even each other. A trait not seen in the West or Africa. The ythink other animals are just craps to be used for man's advantage.

How many more whales will Japan kill before some idiot decides to blow himself up in protest?

They still love to defy everybody else everywhere they can. Any little way they can go against the rest of the world, they will. I whish Greenpeace the best of luck on stopping those whale hunting fascists. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/)
Excuse me, the Japan of the atomic bombings was NOT the Japan of today; see, I don't know how educated you are about history, but I remember learning in grade 11 history class about how the Japan of the second world war had a social attitude of dying for one's country being considered honourable whereas after it had a pacifist approach, such as a relatively peaceful foreign policy compared to the rest of the world that you insist they "go against"; and you act like Japan's the evil of the world, even calling them fascists (what the hell? Fascist implies totalitarianism, just what does whale hunting have to do with extreme governmental power?) as if hunting whales is somehow infinitely worse than stepping on ants. This is ridiculous...

The effective racist part of it is. Asians feel superior to basically everything--even each other. A trait not seen in the West or Africa. The ythink other animals are just craps to be used for man's advantage.
Please, please, PLEASE tell me you are being sarcastic with that!

Humans are he most smartest Animal on this planet

Oh the irony! :p

The effective racist part of it is. Asians feel superior to basically everything--even each other. A trait not seen in the West or Africa. The ythink other animals are just craps to be used for man's advantage.
Wow. Just wow. Africans, especially those on the west coast have a very long history of slavery and when Europeans went south along the western coast of Africa the West African's and European's turned slavery into an international trade.

*drops a nuclear bomb*
*in my pants*

*drops a nuclear bomb*
*in my pants*

I guess Bann-ed's pants still haven't learned to stop hunting whales.

Interpret that as you will.

I guess Bann-ed's pants still haven't learned to stop hunting whales.

Interpret that as you will.

I believe I stated I was a balenophile in the other thread that is shockingly similar to this one and stated it was the reason I am strongly against balenocide.

Click Stand;13229481']That can jump 20 feet in the air and sing. So lets see your birds now, they can't even swim.

Birds can *fly* thousands of feet in the air *while* singing.

And penguins can swim! So can ducks. And a lot of non-swimmers can still dive.

*drops a nuclear bomb*
*in my pants*
someone set us up the bomb :D

I have come to the conclusion that fighting GP, the SSCS, FotE, and supporters of the ALF, ELF, and EF terrorist organizations is a no-win scenario. No matter how many times you defeat their arguments with sound logic and reasoning they come back with the same tired emotionally-based retorts and violent tactics in an attempt to wear down opposition and compensate for their intellectual shortcomings.

If GP does assault these sailors they will probably temporarily lose their tax-exempt status in the US again like they did in 1977 when Paul Watson assaulted seal hunters, an action which got him expelled from the group.

Environmental extremists have a history of violence that is often kept hidden from the public out of sympathy for their cause but the violence and cultist methods will only serve to hurt the cause of environmental protection. Instead of using arguments based on feelings base them instead on evidence and sound reasoning. Don't use or support violence. It will help a lot more than what is being done and planned right now.


Translation: I hate Greenpeace. Fuck the whales.