NationStates Jolt Archive


Is this Abe Lincoln?

Old Tacoma
17-11-2007, 01:42
Here is an interesting pic of Gettysburg on the day of the Gettysburg Address. Read the story and check the pics. Are they correct in thinking this is a lost photo of Lincoln right before he was to give the now famous Gettysburg Address?

http://www.wgal.com/news/14619871/detail.html
Tagmatium
17-11-2007, 01:50
Sorry, I may be wrong, as British subject, but does this photo matter that much?
Nouvelle Wallonochie
17-11-2007, 01:55
Sorry, I may be wrong, as British subject, but does this photo matter that much?

Many Americans view Lincoln with an almost religious awe. He's sort of the Jesus figure of the American national mythology.
Call to power
17-11-2007, 02:00
looks more like a blurry crappy image to me

its soft core porn for the mind :)
Tagmatium
17-11-2007, 02:04
What I meant was, does he actually appear in that photograph? It is ridiculously blurry.
Urcea
17-11-2007, 02:10
The existing photo is pretty awkward itself:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Lincolnatgettysburg.jpg

Not the most flattering picture of the sixteenth president...
Gartref
17-11-2007, 02:25
Sorry, I may be wrong, as British subject, but does this photo matter that much?

Are you insane!? This could be actual proof that Lincoln existed!!!!!
The_pantless_hero
17-11-2007, 02:34
Many Americans view Lincoln with an almost religious awe. He's sort of the Jesus figure of the American national mythology.
No, Reagan is Jesus. Lincoln is Moses.
Kontor
17-11-2007, 02:37
No, Reagan is Jesus. Lincoln is Moses.

Hey everyone, look! A lunatic!
Ordo Drakul
17-11-2007, 02:51
Sorry, I may be wrong, as British subject, but does this photo matter that much?

Would a previously unknown photo of the British monarch from the same period giving a major speech be important?
Nouvelle Wallonochie
17-11-2007, 02:52
No, Reagan is Jesus. Lincoln is Moses.

Well, Lincoln has the whole "martyr" thing going on.
Call to power
17-11-2007, 03:00
Not the most flattering picture of the sixteenth president...

looks like he was taking part in a gang bang...of the South!

Would a previously unknown photo of the British monarch from the same period giving a major speech be important?

no
Conserative Morality
17-11-2007, 03:10
Lincoln was the only one with a beard who wore a weird hat back then... yeahhh...riiiight...
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
17-11-2007, 03:14
Well, Lincoln has the whole "martyr" thing going on.

Yeah, but Reagan was shot and came back from the brink of death - kinda. Maybe. :p
Fassitude
17-11-2007, 03:53
famous Gettysburg Address?

Famous? Not so much, no. On a global scale, the man is barely famous himself, let alone some (I'm guessing) speech of his.
Sel Appa
17-11-2007, 04:13
Probably is...
Gartref
17-11-2007, 04:14
After closer examination, the figure appears to be a bear with mange.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
17-11-2007, 04:16
Famous? Not so much, no. On a global scale, the man is barely famous himself, let alone some (I'm guessing) speech of his.

So, you didn't have to memorize and recite the Gettysburg Address in gradeschool then? :p
Mereshka
17-11-2007, 04:24
Famous? Not so much, no. On a global scale, the man is barely famous himself, let alone some (I'm guessing) speech of his.

Globally, maybe. Here in America however, it's one of the most famous speeches we've ever heard. Considered one of the pinnacles of the civil war, which is a very important war, on account of us fighting each other, and statistically, its the bloodiest war we've ever had. So, to us, yes, its famous. And your ignorant views on one of the greatest men to ever live, is rather inconsequential. ;) (Hoping I spelled that right)
Kyronea
17-11-2007, 05:10
So, you didn't have to memorize and recite the Gettysburg Address in gradeschool then? :p

Yeah, because a Swedish school is really going to make their students memorize a speech that only has some meaning to one culture and isn't applicable to any other. :rolleyes:
Mereshka
17-11-2007, 05:29
African Americans. Now that theres no slavery here, less of them find themselves suddenly exported to a counetry they've only heard of, much less seen.
Marrakech II
17-11-2007, 05:37
Feh, youre just jealous cause this is the only famous guy from where youre from:
http://thehurricanewatch.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/swedishchef2.jpg

QFT
BackwoodsSquatches
17-11-2007, 05:38
Famous? Not so much, no. On a global scale, the man is barely famous himself, let alone some (I'm guessing) speech of his.

Feh, youre just jealous cause this is the only famous guy from where youre from:
http://thehurricanewatch.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/swedishchef2.jpg
Drewlio
17-11-2007, 05:44
is that Lincoln! a far stretch and a hat, maybe, but did you see the UFO!
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
17-11-2007, 05:55
Yeah, because a Swedish school is really going to make their students memorize a speech that only has some meaning to one culture and isn't applicable to any other. :rolleyes:

I can read the Location: line just fine, thanks. ;)
Hoyteca
17-11-2007, 06:54
That could be any person with a hat and beard. Look at the Amish. A whole mess of them wear hats and have beards.

As for his speech, it might not be world-famous, but it did give the world "Four score and seven years ago" and "that the government, of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from this earth."

It's like how some backwoods nation might not know that Hiroshima even exists, but might know what a nuclear blast can do to a city. Thank you dubya dubya two. You might have made Naziism even more famous and given the USSR a reason to conquer half of Europe, but if the US hadn't shown why nukes are a bad idea, everyone would have one and I mean everyone. MAD would be taken to a whole new level, where country music rules the world and that's just scary. Country music is the music they use to punish sinners in hell.
Wilgrove
17-11-2007, 06:59
Famous? Not so much, no. On a global scale, the man is barely famous himself, let alone some (I'm guessing) speech of his.

Yes it was a speech, a speech that he wrote on a napkin on the train ride to Gettysburg.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Nouvelle Wallonochie
17-11-2007, 07:24
Yes it was a speech, a speech that he wrote on a napkin on the train ride to Gettysburg.

*ahem* (http://www.thelincolnmuseum.org/new/research/stories.html)
Drewlio
17-11-2007, 07:26
The distance and the crowd make me wonder who heard the speech?
he whould have started and a moment later been drowned out buy all the 'wud he say and speak up we can't hear ya!
Wilgrove
17-11-2007, 07:26
*ahem* (http://www.thelincolnmuseum.org/new/research/stories.html)

Shhh, don't you know that anecdotal stories overrides historical accuracies every time?!
Wilgrove
17-11-2007, 07:30
The distance and the crowd make me wonder who heard the speech?
he whould have started and a moment later been drowned out buy all the 'wud he say and speak up we can't hear ya!

Hmmm, you know it would be funny if he had random guys standing throughout the crowd following along his speech and repeating what he said.
Drewlio
17-11-2007, 07:51
Hmmm, you know it would be funny if he had random guys standing throughout the crowd following along his speech and repeating what he said.

I'd hate to be in the back.. dishpanbluemonkeyrefridgeratordustbunny