NationStates Jolt Archive

Israeli companies are using UK property shows to sell housing in illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, Guardian Unlimited can reveal.
At the Israel Property Exhibition at Brent town hall, North London last Sunday, one company, Anglo-Saxon Real Estate, was offering for sale properties in Maale Adumim and Maccabim. Both West Bank settlements lie on the Palestinian side of the so-called green line, the pre-1967 boundary and often cited as the border between Israel and a future Palestinian state.

The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, and his Palestinian counterpart, Mahmoud Abbas, are expected to meet before the end of the year in Annapolis, in the US, for peace talks that have the backing of the UK government.

Abbas has demanded the Israelis halt all settlement activity and that the whole West Bank be included in a future Palestinian state. Kim Howells, the British minister for foreign and commonwealth affairs, has described settlement activity as an "obstacle to peace".

The Anglo-Saxon real estate website was today listing 67 new build residential properties in Maale Adumim and six in Maccabim. That they are new properties is particularly significant because it indicates buyers would be contributing to expansion of the settlements.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2212348,00.html

Next, 'Mugabe's Used Farms' opens its High Street branch......

Thats ridiculous of course. Theres no way Mugabe would be allowed get away with that. Unless he became a US ally.

As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as an "illegal" Israeli settlement. The Palestinians are the ones illegally occupying the land of Israel. It is the Palestinian settlements that are illegal, because the Jews are the rightful owners of the entire land of Canaan.

As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as an "illegal" Israeli settlement. The Palestinians are the ones illegally occupying the land of Israel. It is the Palestinian settlements that are illegal, because the Jews are the rightful owners of the entire land of Canaan.

Because Palestinians have no true home in this world, are obviously creatures from another dimension. For real, where the fuck do you expect them to go? They've been living there for hundreds of years. Whether you like it or not, that strip of land between Egypt and Jordan is home for a bunch of different people. Not just Jews.

So, because you think the settlements are illegal, those living there have no right to sell their homes through an international medium?

.......... because the Jews are the rightful owners of the entire land of Canaan.

Seeing as I haven't heard of an instance of somebody charged with beating homosexuals to death court getting off because 'it sez thar in th' Bible.....' I'll make the wild leap that its aegis also fails to extend to territorial/boundary disputes.

Seeing as I haven't heard of an instance of somebody charged with beating homosexuals to death court getting off because 'it sez thar in th' Bible.....' I'll make the wild leap that its aegis also fails to extend to territorial/boundary disputes.

And history teaches us just how much somebody always takes it up the ass whenever talk of Manifest Destiny in any shape and form starts cropping up.

So, because you think the settlements are illegal, those living there have no right to sell their homes through an international medium?

Yes. International law declares the settlements illegal, so as such, there shouldnt be a show trying to sell this land in London.

Why are the settlements illegal? Didn't Israel occupy the land after neighboring countries tried to invade Israel?

So, because you think the settlements are illegal, those living there have no right to sell their homes through an international medium?

No, I think that because those settlements are illegal, they should not be sold internationally.

If you would re-read the article, you'd notice that the sales are for units not yet constructed in the settlements in question, and are thus being offered by some firm. However, were they already built and privately owned, the same would apply.

Why are the settlements illegal? Didn't Israel occupy the land after neighboring countries tried to invade Israel?

Thats neither here nor there. Under international law, you can't just annex territory. If Israel can annex what it wants (regardless of who attacked whom) then essentially Mexico can get California, and Saddam would still be in Kuwait.

And kindly remember, there are people on that land.

Thats neither here nor there. Under international law, you can't just annex territory. If Israel can annex what it wants (regardless of who attacked whom) then essentially Mexico can get California, and Saddam would still be in Kuwait.

And kindly remember, there are people on that land.

Pfft.

International law is a joke. Israel has every right for the land in compensations for the attack by the neighboring countries.

There's no such thing as an illegal settlement -- merely jewish settlements that will be located in Palestine when they finally make peace.

Pfft.

International law is a joke.

Thanks. Civil law is a joke. I'll be round your house for yer TV and goodies later.


There's no such thing as an illegal settlement

One day - hopefully - that will be true.

Thats neither here nor there. Under international law, you can't just annex territory. If Israel can annex what it wants (regardless of who attacked whom) then essentially Mexico can get California, and Saddam would still be in Kuwait.

And kindly remember, there are people on that land.

Kindly remember, it's all a matter of who actually controls the territory, not what an abstract piece of paper says. Mexico can claim dominion over the entire damned world, but in reality it's got enough trouble keeping her own borders under control, let alone anything beyond them.

International law is a joke. Israel has every right for the land in compensations for the attack by the neighboring countries.

thats the Israeli spirit!

collective punishment has never gone wrong

Kindly remember, it's all a matter of who actually controls the territory

and what makes you think Israel has any control over Palestinian areas beyond firing rubber bullets left right and center?

and what makes you think Israel has any control over Palestinian areas beyond firing rubber bullets left right and center?

Never said Israel was in full control of the territory, did I?

it's all a matter of who actually controls the territory.

Never said Israel was in full control of the territory, did I?

:confused: I'm confused now

Never said Israel was in full control of the territory, did I?

yes you did!! :rolleyes:

thats the Israeli spirit!

collective punishment has never gone wrong




Israel gaining a bit of territory as compensation for the attack seems fair. I never said anything about collective punishment. What the Israelis did after they gained the land does not invalidate their claim to the land.

Israel gaining a bit of territory as compensation for the attack seems fair. I never said anything about collective punishment. What the Israelis did after they gained the land does not invalidate their claim to the land.

Still illegal, being attacked does not give a country the right to counter attack and annex another's land. And also since not all the Palestinian people supported or were involved in the invasion it's hardly justifiable to strip them all of their land.

I never said anything about collective punishment. .

Thats in a way what the occupation does. It collectively punishes the Palestinians for a war started by Egypt.


What the Israelis did after they gained the land does not invalidate their claim to the land.

They don't have a claim. They claim it, and occupy it, but have no legal basis for it, as annexation of territory by force is absolutely prohibited. You can think they 'deserve it' and that it 'should be theirs' for whatever reason, but in matter of fact, they don't have a leg to stand on. Were it not for the US, they'd be under sanctions since the early 1970's.

Israel gaining a bit of territory as compensation for the attack seems fair.

no it doesn't, that mode of thought is typically used by bullies to justify taking all your marbles instead of the typical most

I never said anything about collective punishment. What the Israelis did after they gained the land does not invalidate their claim to the land.

and yet you still assert that the actions taken by a nations leaders somehow mean that an entire nations population must pay compensation:confused:

Except Israel no longer has no any influence, the Egyptians have more planes and a larger, better equipped army, as does most of the Middle East these days. Israel is just holding off their eventual decline into strategic nothingness by becoming more of a US puppet, Hezbollah can openly attack them at will and it needs the US and foreign states to threaten Iran, it's a has-been.

:eek: thats quite the bombshell your dropping there

Pfft.

International law is a joke. Israel has every right for the land in compensations for the attack by the neighboring countries.
Except Israel no longer has no any influence, the Egyptians have more planes and a larger, better equipped army, as does most of the Middle East these days. Israel is just holding off their eventual decline into strategic nothingness by becoming more of a US puppet, Hezbollah can openly attack them at will and it needs the US and foreign states to threaten Iran, it's a has-been.

Thats in a way what the occupation does. It collectively punishes the Palestinians for a war started by Egypt.



They don't have a claim. They claim it, and occupy it, but have no legal basis for it, as annexation of territory by force is absolutely prohibited. You can think they 'deserve it' and that it 'should be theirs' for whatever reason, but in matter of fact, they don't have a leg to stand on. Were it not for the US, they'd be under sanctions since the early 1970's.

Israel should have incorporated the Palestinians into Israel instead of alienating them. I'm not denying the Palestinians got shafted, but Israel got the land as compensation. They didn't start the war- they finished it. Israel has the force to claim the land. In international politics might makes right, for good or ill. That's the way its always been.

Israel should have incorporated the Palestinians into Israel instead of alienating them..

It is also from the example of Gaza that hunger for territory goes hand in hand with the attempt to empty it of its inhabitants. Ever since it captured Gaza, Israel has tried to diminish it by starvation and suffocation, driving residents to emigrate. Segev has some stunning evidence about this. ‘I want them all to go, even if they go to the moon,’ Eshkol told Ada Sereni, whom he had appointed head of a committee briefed to rid Gaza of its Palestinians. Because this failed, Gaza is today a hunger-stricken ghetto. The West’s obsession with Hamas’s ascendancy is a result of Western refusal to see Israel’s age-old policy for what it is: the aim has always been to seize the maximum amount of land while inheriting a minimum number of Palestinians
link (http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/pdfCacheOfArticle0072581.pdf)


I'm not denying the Palestinians got shafted, but Israel got the land as compensation...

No. If anything they took the land, they were not given it. One might wonder why the same principle didn't apply to China and Japan, the rest of Europe and Germany.....


In international politics might makes right, for good or ill. That's the way its always been.

Thuggery, you mean.