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An RFID?

what does the "RF" stand for?

Unless it stands for something awesome and good, then the answer is no.


edit: Hooray! I have usurped the OP!

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

usurper!!

Radio Frequency Identification Device

Not unless there was a phenomenally good reason, and it got removed when I left... well actually, just no.

Never in a million years! Employers already have too many delusions that they own their employees!

If they gave me a massive pay raise, and I mean MASSIVE.

No and if they did ... I'd go work somewhere else.

I'm paranoid enough as it is, thank you. Carrying some sort of locater while I was on the job I would be fine with, though.

I would show my employer where to stick said chip.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

usurper!!

Radio Frequency Identification Device

I can see my employer asking this before most private businesses (I work for the federal government, at the post office).

If it wasn't mandatory, I'd ask for more money before I'd do it.

Fergi America;13220208']Never in a million years! Employers already have too many delusions that they own their employees!

seconded

No. An employer has no access to an employees body. And employer could perhaps make one wear some kind of ID chip during work hours, but implantation would be an unacceptable intrusion.

Sure, as long as it's turned off as long as I'm not at work.

Since employers already monitor employees, there's really no expectation of privacy in the workplace.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what would you say?


You don't really want to know what i would say to that, but i'm not neutral to the concept.
*looks wistfully at Lunatic Golfballs*

No. I can't think of a single good reason why I should.

No. The only chips that I'll eventually be implanting in myself will be implanted by me with my money and for my own purposes. Other than that, it's not going to happen...this is something I only do for myself. The exception to this might be for high-security operations or other things where that kind of system is absolutely necessary. As far as I know, there really isn't any form of accounting that requires a security clearance, so that's pretty unlikely.

What if they're chocolate-flavoured?

An RFID?

what does the "RF" stand for?

Unless it stands for something awesome and good, then the answer is no.


edit: Hooray! I have usurped the OP!
Radio Frequency Identification Device. Think of the chips placed in dogs and cats...same basic thing, only this one includes a transmitter...I think.

As for whether I'd "allow" my employer to or not, I don't think I'd have a choice in the Navy.

Radio Frequency Identification Device. Think of the chips placed in dogs and cats...same basic thing, only this one includes a transmitter...I think

And in humans, in the form of the VeriChip medical data device and a slew of other prototypes that will hit the market over the next several years.

No.

Yes.
I trust my employer. If I trust him with so much of my time, then some implanted chip surely is no problem.

Most RF chips would probably be implanted in the arm. If so, a 10 second run in a microwave with the door jimmied open would do some nasty things to its functionality without cooking your arm.

Absolutely not. Not only would I not take the job in question but I would organize against the practice. That's cute that people here would simply find another job, but one could only do that theoretically by assuming other employers won't adopt the practice as the RF(radio frequency)ID price drops.

The fact of the matter is, we're well on our way to be chipped in the USA. The RealID Act of 2006 mandates that the RealID shall be implemented between May 2008 and December 2009. The RealID is only a leap off point to mandatory chipping (act of inserting a chip underneath your skin) for the United States Citizenry. Oh I'm sure some of you are thinking now that I am some wacko lunatic fringe. The sad thing is you can look the official act the Senate AND Congress passed and read it for yourself. I wish I wasn't making this up.

Without the RealID, after implementation, an individual would not be able to access their bank account, freely move from one state to another, enter a government building, etc. As use becomes normalized, RFID chips are said to be slated for implementation in our paper currency to track usage (to combat the drug war and what not). So, hypothetically, if you became persona non grata to the state - they and the central bank (also known as the Federal Reserve) could shut off the chips implanted in the paper currency and then the money would be deemed worthless. I am citing a TIME magazine article, not some crazy lefty conspiracy website in the dark recesses of the internet. TIME, freaking, magazine. Never mind the fact that there is no backing of the currency used today and that it is literally created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve.

So. When are people going to go out and organize against this? Oh right. Most people out there are too enamored by Paris Hilton and Britney Spears exploits to give a shit.

I already wear an RF Photo ID badge at work. I can think of no reason why it need be implanted. If there was security breach, I suppose an armed intruder could take my badge and make use of it. If my RFID was implanted in my hand or other extremity, I guess the intruder would have to cut off one of my body-parts. So I believe I'll skip the implant, thank you.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?
Just no.

My employer is welcome to monitor my whereabouts during the time that I am at work, but they have absolutely no right whatsoever to know what I'm up to outside of working hours. I'm sure that someone will pipe up with some kind of "ahh, but what if you were actively working against their interests in your free time?" or something similar, and I don't care.

My employer doesn't own me in any way, they just rent a small fraction of my time. My free time is just that- mine, and free.

I already wear an RF Photo ID badge at work. I can think of no reason why it need be implanted. If there was security breach, I suppose an armed intruder could take my badge and make use of it. If my RFID was implanted in my hand or other extremity, I guess the intruder would have to cut off one of my body-parts. So I believe I'll skip the implant, thank you.

Interesting fact, that's actually what they do. Several people have lost digits due to thieves cutting them off for use on biometric scanners (on a bunch of Mercedes-Benz cars, if I recall correctly).

Personally, I would get around this problem by adding in additional features that will cause the devices to function only if the scanner is capable of picking up electrical and sound signatures from the person. A second layer of security could come from various secondary readings; if the scanners in question pick up any signs of extreme stress or fear (as in the case with a robbery), they won't work until the person is calmer.

Personally, I would get around this problem by adding in additional features that will cause the devices to function only if the scanner is capable of picking up electrical and sound signatures from the person. A second layer of security could come from various secondary readings; if the scanners in question pick up any signs of extreme stress or fear (as in the case with a robbery), they won't work until the person is calmer.

Which means all I have to do is thump the person on the head a few times until he's calm (read: unconscious).

Absolutely NOT! The only chips that go into my body are potato!

No. Strictly speaking, I'm trading my labour and nothing more.

If the employer wanted to do this it would really be a seperate agreement, and how much would it cost for me to get chipped? I don't know, but it would be a lot.

If my employer wants to be able to account for my location during work hours then he can give me an RF ID card, or something like that. Where I go after work is no business of his. And I'm not getting a chip implanted every morning then extracted every evening.

If I had a chip in me, I'd consider it a challenge. :)

If my employer suggested such a thing to me, then s/he could go fuck right off. I'd be out of that door quicker than a scalded cat.

Which means all I have to do is thump the person on the head a few times until he's calm (read: unconscious).

Then the security-thing would pick up erratic heart signals and not let you in.

How about an RF suppository then? When you leave work, you don't punch out, you poop out.

Will there be laxatives supplied?

And I'm not getting a chip implanted every morning then extracted every evening.

How about an RF suppository then? When you leave work, you don't punch out, you poop out.

Anyways, I assume the employer would wish to fit such a chip to monitor the whereabouts of their employees, to make sure they're not taking too long breaks and sciving off, right?

In the jobs I've had, taking a long time over an appointed task is a sacred part of my job. Generally, because I tend to be the dogsbody and so get asked to do the shitty jobs which no-one else there wished to do. Taking a long time meant that it would be a longer time before I was given another crap task to do.

That, and it was a garden centre and I had no clue as to plants so had to ask another member of staff everytime a customer wanted to know something plant related.

Which means all I have to do is thump the person on the head a few times until he's calm (read: unconscious).

I think it would depend on just how sensitive the device in question would be. The biological signals of an unconscious person would presumably be significantly different than normal, and so the device would still bar entry successfully. Obviously, from an engineering standpoint, this would require some fairly significant advancement in RFID technology, but given how far the industry's come in recent years, I would not be surprised if this marks a major progress area biometric security devices over the next few years. (naturally, I think of this when there is no way for me to actually bring it to profitable fruition...but I digress)

Of course, even if that were the case and the thieves could get past it using an unconscious person, better unconscious than dead or digitless. Another potential route might be a device that alters its RFID if it picks up a major increase in stress and fear, thereby rendering it useless until the person is back to normal; this way, it simply won't work until the person is fully calmed down. So, even if they manage to get around the first option, this would pose a significant secondary issue.

I think it would depend on just how sensitive the device in question would be. The biological signals of an unconscious person would presumably be significantly different than normal, and so the device would still bar entry successfully. Obviously, from an engineering standpoint, this would require some fairly significant advancement in RFID technology, but given how far the industry's come in recent years, I would not be surprised if this marks a major progress area biometric security devices over the next few years. (naturally, I think of this when there is no way for me to actually bring it to profitable fruition...but I digress)

Of course, even if that were the case and the thieves could get past it using an unconscious person, better unconscious than dead or digitless...

The Japanese already had this idea.



Well ok, Japanese game designers. It's in MGS 2. The President can't authorise a nuke launch unless some biometric scanner thing reads him as 'normal'(alive, free of drugs, stress levels the same as usual, etc).

No. There will be a modified pneumatic tube.

Now that was graphic :p

Will there be laxatives supplied?

No. There will be a modified pneumatic tube.

No. There will be a modified pneumatic tube.

This sounds scary.

The Japanese already had this idea.

Well ok, Japanese game designers. It's in MGS 2. The President can't authorise a nuke launch unless some biometric scanner thing reads him as 'normal'(alive, free of drugs, stress levels the same as usual, etc).

Damn, I figured somebody beat me to it...

It is a good idea, however; this would really remove the primary physical security hole in biometric scanners. Obviously, threats to the actual scanner itself remain, but this would go far to stop the vast majority of crimes committed against biometrically-secured devices. An RFID tag that shuts down the scanner at the onset of extreme stress and/or incapacitation might help to circumvent the risks to the scanner itself, since it seems that hacking an RFID chip would be considerably more difficult than the scanner (and, of course, if the chip itself shuts down or enters a secure mode during this kind of situation, that provides yet another layer of security).

Damn, I figured somebody beat me to it...

It is a good idea, however; this would really remove the primary physical security hole in biometric scanners. Obviously, threats to the actual scanner itself remain, but this would go far to stop the vast majority of crimes committed against biometrically-secured devices. An RFID tag that shuts down the scanner at the onset of extreme stress and/or incapacitation might help to circumvent the risks to the scanner itself, since it seems that hacking an RFID chip would be considerably more difficult than the scanner (and, of course, if the chip itself shuts down or enters a secure mode during this kind of situation, that provides yet another layer of security).

I think the scanner was built into a briefcase. As I understand it, there really is such a briefcase that some marines follow the president around with that can be used to authorise a nuclear attack. I don't know if it has any fancy biometric stuff in it.

It might, it might not. If such a device is available, I'm pretty sure they'd have it for use by the President. Either way, when it does become available, it'll be a pretty basic staple in high-security fields.

Being able to just scan your hand or something beats the hell out of having to remember a long ass alphanumeric code.

I think the scanner was built into a briefcase. As I understand it, there really is such a briefcase that some marines follow the president around with that can be used to authorise a nuclear attack. I don't know if it has any fancy biometric stuff in it.

It might, it might not. If such a device is available, I'm pretty sure they'd have it for use by the President. Either way, when it does become available, it'll be a pretty basic staple in high-security fields.

Being able to just scan your hand or something beats the hell out of having to remember a long ass alphanumeric code.

Not to mention makes it harder for some kind of Dr. Strangelove apocalypse to happen because the President went on a crystal meth bender and decided to nuke the Russians in a fit of drug-induced paranoia...

I'd only agree to this on the following conditions:
-my pay rises to at least €20.000 net a month
-i get to put those large ass yellow cattle tags in my employers ears :P

Fuck no! I'm absolutely never having a chip put in me. I'd tell an employer to go fuck himself if he ever asked that.

No private company has the right to shove any device in body for their own unspecified ends. Never, ever

Also, the fact that my company (in a hi tech industry) doesn't have the technology to make the extractor fan work in the toilets pretty much says it all....

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

usurper!!

Radio Frequency Identification Device

One word springs to mind, and it is slang for testes!

No I would not accept that. However I think we should have all politicians chipped so we know where they are when they should be voting.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

No.

If they provided a reason (eg entry to secure area) and provided me with the means to read the chip so I knew what was on it (ie access code) and compensated me for possible risks (legal and medical) OR insured me against such risks ...

Maybe.

Luckily, I work only for cash-in-hand, and I choose my employers rather carefully.

Bottom line: if they even suggested it, I'd break their fucking nose.

No.

If they provided a reason (eg entry to secure area) and provided me with the means to read the chip so I knew what was on it (ie access code) and compensated me for possible risks (legal and medical) OR insured me against such risks ...

Maybe.

Luckily, I work only for cash-in-hand, and I choose my employers rather carefully.

Bottom line: if they even suggested it, I'd break their fucking nose.

Why even consider it, why not just say, yeah put it in a security card and I'll slip that into me pocket.

Sure, why not?

Sure, why not?

Unnecessary surgery?

Unnecessary surgery?

RFID is smaller than a grain of rice, it can be implanted with a jab of a needle.

I wouldn't, although if they forced the issue I'd be liable to let them, then pry the fucker out with an ice pick, drop it in a bottle of bourbon and stick it in the trunk of my neighbors car and let him carry the little bugger around.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

usurper!!

Radio Frequency Identification Device

I'd site my privacy rights and say it goes against my beliefs as an Atheist. :D

Radio Frequency Identification Device. Think of the chips placed in dogs and cats...same basic thing, only this one includes a transmitter...I think.

As for whether I'd "allow" my employer to or not, I don't think I'd have a choice in the Navy.

the military might be the only kind of employment where rfid might be a good idea. it could save your life if they could locate you in the water or on the battlefied.

RFID is smaller than a grain of rice, it can be implanted with a jab of a needle.

Unnecessary needle jab?

the military might be the only kind of employment where rfid might be a good idea. it could save your life if they could locate you in the water or on the battlefied.

Or give your postilion away if if the enemy has a reader.

Or give your postilion away if if the enemy has a reader.

The driver of a cart or carriage?

It is the thin end of the wedge though, first they chip you, then they will want to deep fry you.

RFID is smaller than a grain of rice, it can be implanted with a jab of a needle.

But then you don't have that stylish collar with the little tag you can't read on it.

A "dog tag" I believe it is called.

Unnecessary needle jab?

I've been unnecessarily jabbed by many a needle, fucking doctors.

I've been unnecessarily jabbed by many a needle, fucking doctors.

And this is a good reason to get another?

I've been unnecessarily jabbed by many a needle, fucking doctors.

I hope you learned your lesson. Before fucking a doctor, check them for needles.

The ONLY possible use of a RFID is in a fireman or rescue worker, as to provide a way to find those that may have been trapped or injured, and even that is streaching it a bit. Anything else is a breach of human rights.

I wouldnt ever want an employer let alone an implanted chip from one.

No. I can think of no good reason why I should allow my employer to either request, or undertake, such a practice.

depends on a lot of factors.

a whole lot of factors...

I've been unnecessarily jabbed by many a needle, fucking doctors.

well, stop fucking them and they'll stop jabbing you! :D

What if I mentioned that you might have a couple (RFID chips) in your house already, unknowningly???

What if I mentioned that you might have a couple (RFID chips) in your house already, unknowningly???

I already know that; personally, I wouldn't mind implanting one so I could unlock stuff remotely.

What if I mentioned that you might have a couple (RFID chips) in your house already, unknowningly???

Hah. Yeah. If anyone has a Mach 3 Razor or any other Gilette product, yes - in deed we do have items in our residences that already utilize the technology. Also, some other deoderants. Pretty rediculous, actually. Lucky us that the power required to power the computers to track the stuff will be in short supply soon due to energy mismanagement.

Oh. By the way; RFID Hacking
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/rfid.html

Sure, as long as it's turned off as long as I'm not at work.

Since employers already monitor employees, there's really no expectation of privacy in the workplace.

RFIDs are only on when they are in the range of a specific radio signal.

Thats how they don't have batteries and how they're so small.

I would show my employer where to stick said chip.

In the dip, of course.
Speaking of which, shameless promotion ... Kettle Chips has a flavour called Cheddar Beer or Beer Cheddar, which i passed out at work today as part of an experiment.

Speaking of which, shameless promotion ... Kettle Chips has a flavour called Cheddar Beer or Beer Cheddar, which i passed out at work today as part of an experiment.

How were they?

How about an RF suppository then? When you leave work, you don't punch out, you poop out.

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If I had a chip in me, I'd consider it a challenge. :)

Agreed. :D

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

usurper!!

Radio Frequency Identification Device

One specific to that employer or a more general one?

Because I wouldn't mind having a general-purpose RFID chip that could open the RFID doors in my work building that we use passcards for (I tend to forget the damn thing at home). I wouldn't be a big fan of them being able to track my location or anything, but it's not like I pretend to call in sick and then rush off to the bars.

That said, my current job isn't enjoyable enough to warrant me succumbing to something like that. If I had a job I liked, sure.

My employer issued me a coded dog-tag which - in addition to other information - contains my blood type and emergency contacts (with company HQ on top of the list).

While at work I also have to carry a cellphone with a integrated dead man's switch and GPS-uplink directly to C&C.

So yeah, I guess they can track me, but it's for my own saftey.

My employer issued me a coded dog-tag which - in addition to other information - contains my blood type and emergency contacts (with company HQ on top of the list).

While at work I also have to carry a cellphone with a integrated dead man's switch and GPS-uplink directly to C&C.

So yeah, I guess they can track me, but it's for my own saftey.

Are you in the military?

Fergi America;13220208']Never in a million years! Employers already have too many delusions that they own their employees!

QFT.

No and if they did ... I'd go work somewhere else.

I agree 100%. 1000%, in fact.

I would show my employer where to stick said chip.

Ditto here!
seconded

thirded, fourthed, fifthed, sixthed, seventhed, etc.

If you were asked by your employer if you would be implanted with an RFID chip what whould you say?

And I quote,

"Fuck you."

End quote.

In the dip, of course.
Speaking of which, shameless promotion ... Kettle Chips has a flavour called Cheddar Beer or Beer Cheddar, which i passed out at work today as part of an experiment.

I think GAC was referring to an orifice on the employer's body (i.e. the anus), not to food. :p

If I was in a job where knowing where I was actually helped the company, like professional mountaineer, or spelunker, or maybe even if I was a soldier. Then, someone knowing where I was could actually help me, as well as the employer. But for the kind of job I would have, it would be unnecessary, and I wouldn't allow it.

Are you in the military?

Security.

How about an RF suppository then? When you leave work, you don't punch out, you poop out.

You win the thread! ROFL :D :D :D

(*keels over dead from laughing*)

And I quote,

"Fuck you."

End quote.

Oooooohh, you said a CUSS WORD! I'm tellin' [violet] on you! Mods aren't supposed to do that! :p

j/k

QFT!

I just remembered what this article reminded me of: the Orwellian future planned by the folks at Microsoft Research (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-digital-life).

I just remembered what this article reminded me of: the Orwellian future planned by the folks at Microsoft Research (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-digital-life).

I've got to get myself one of those...

I would prevaricate without getting a definitive answer.
Then, since such a desire by my employer would create massive dissatisfaction amongst my coworkers, I'd unionize the workplace and we'd collectively refuse.