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http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

I'm staunch anti-communist, so naturally I like everything that is anti-communist, but this pic is kinda sucky... No offence!

Thank god you are here to protect us from communism with that crushingly subversive piece of satire.

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

Ummm...Why does he look like a cross between the incredible hulk and dracula?

If that was your goal, good job.
If not, you might need to work on it.

I give it a 4.5 out of 10.

Like I said, I'm not very good at photoshop.

If Mao actually looked like that, he'd be much cooler.

Erm... why would you go out of your way to make an anti-Communist picture?

Even if Mao wasn't a great democratic leader, he did do some good for China, like increasing literacy amongst the general population through the introduction of Simplified Chinese. This doesn't mean I support this, I'm only saying that even if they did commit plenty of evil acts, they did do some good for their people. The same can be said for most.

And your anti-commie picture is rather distasteful. I see no point in it and I find it offensive as it shows you're unwillingness to learn about Marxism, which is true communism other than this tripe that's been used in various nations. I know it's not perfect but no ideology is perfect. They all have flaws, some more so than others.

Dr Zoidberg says:
The picture was bad and you should feel bad.

It's the biggest threat to our way of life iirc

One could just as easily say that religion is.

Erm... why would you go out of your way to make an anti-Communist picture?

It's the biggest threat to our way of life iirc

It is?

I'm not a big fan of Stalinism, which is what most people think of when they say "Communism", but I do think Socialism has a hell of a lot more going for it that Capitalism.

It's the biggest threat to our way of life iirc
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. [/doublethink]

Please tell me you mean "I'm not a big fan of Stalinism", and that was just a typo.
Damn, missed that.

It was a typo.

I don't really care for the picture, nor the sentiment.

If you are just showing off your Photoshop skills, well, then it is ok, but the content and your statement below are troublesome.

Even if Mao wasn't a great democratic leader, he did do some good for China, like increasing literacy amongst the general population through the introduction of Simplified Chinese. This doesn't mean I support this, I'm only saying that even if they did commit plenty of evil acts, they did do some good for their people. The same can be said for most.



Yeah, Mao might have done some good stuff, but was the price worth it? No.

I it shows you're unwillingness to learn about Marxism,

That you cannot say. I have independently and investigated Marxism, learned about it, read Marx and Lenin (before my rabid devotion to capitalism). I just reacted to it a little more extremely then most other people. If someone gave me a credible argument for why Communism isn't the 2nd most despicable idealogy in history (besides the so-called "humanitarian motives"), I'll be willing to stop my anti-Marxist rants and raves. The thing is, no one can, because Marxism is the 2nd most despicable idealogy in history.
BTW, how does making a poster that represents Mao as an evil blood sucking monster say that I have an unwillingness to learn about marxism?

Erm... why would you go out of your way to make an anti-Communist picture?

Becaus it is still a serious threat to humanity that must be ERADICATED!!!!

One could just as easily say that religion is.

I agree. But only because I was being ironic in the first instance.

I don't really care for the picture, nor the sentiment.

If you are just showing off your Photoshop skills, well, then it is ok, but the content and your statement below are troublesome.

My photoshop skills? I didn't think I had any! Thanks!

My take on communism. (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2783/commujismnk5.png)

My take on communism. (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2783/commujismnk5.png)

Much better!

That's up to you to decide.

Interpretative art, way out.

Is that pro- or anti-?

Becaus it is still a serious threat to humanity that must be ERADICATED!!!!

Yeah, I can't think of anything threat more pressing than an almost abandoned ideology.

Even if Mao wasn't a great democratic leader, he did do some good for China, like increasing literacy amongst the general population through the introduction of Simplified Chinese. This doesn't mean I support this, I'm only saying that even if they did commit plenty of evil acts, they did do some good for their people. The same can be said for most.

Apologetics doesn't get you very far.

Yeah, I can't think of anything threat more pressing than an almost abandoned ideology.

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

North Korea
Cuba
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Nepal
African Commie Rebels
Venezuala
Belarus
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
Vietnam
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

Ok then

North Korea

Agree

Cuba

Not a threat, just not a good country

Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore

You're kidding, right?

Nepal

Threat?

African Commie Rebels
Venezuala
Belarus
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
Vietnam
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.

Not threats. It may be out there, but not enough to warrant a panic attack.

That you cannot say. I have independently and investigated Marxism, learned about it, read Marx and Lenin (before my rabid devotion to capitalism). I just reacted to it a little more extremely then most other people. If someone gave me a credible argument for why Communism isn't the 2nd most despicable idealogy in history (besides the so-called "humanitarian motives"), I'll be willing to stop my anti-Marxist rants and raves. The thing is, no one can, because Marxism is the 2nd most despicable idealogy in history.
BTW, how does making a poster that represents Mao as an evil blood sucking monster say that I have an unwillingness to learn about marxism?


Becaus it is still a serious threat to humanity that must be ERADICATED!!!!

Because you're lumping Marxism with communism by fueling ignorance with the image you've created.

And prove it's a damn threat!

Let's use my example of religion. Religion is a threat and this can be proven if we look at how the Muslims and Jews are treated each other in the Mid East. We can look at how the Protestants and Catholics until VERY recently were ready to blow the shit out of each other and had on too many occasions. Religion has fuelled schism within humanity and these petty differences have led to politicians curbing our civil rights so some backwater group of zealots don't have their fucking sensitivities challenged.

And prove it's a damn threat!

Any "proof" someone provides wont constitute as proof towards someone who views marxism favorably to begin with. I can say destruction or trivialization of the individual and one can easily respond as if it were a good thing because it eradicates selfishness.

I see the ideology as a threat to human freedom, but if you mean a direct threat, then I don't think many people need fear the communists or marxists because honestly how many are out there?

Becaus it is still a serious threat to humanity that must be ERADICATED!!!!
Word for the future. Outbursts like this? Not good. Undermines your credibility as someone with everyone's interests in mind.

Unless you're trolling. In which case, keep up the good work. ^^

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

North Korea
Cuba
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Nepal
African Commie Rebels
Venezuala
Belarus
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
Vietnam
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.

Rabid much? Clinton and Moore are capitalists, otherwise you'd never have heard of them.

You need to relax and aim your energies elsewhere. Such as looking capitalism in the eye and saying "Damn you, why is our dollar so weak? Damn you, why are US citizens in over their heads with credit cards to the tune of just under $1 trillion? Why on EARTH was the first scripted message to the country after 9/11 by our president 'go out and spend money!' How could you let your so-called proponents start a war that makes everything cost more by shooting the price of oil from $25 to nearly $100 a barrel?"

The flaws in sucking the Market's cock for this long are only just starting to show.

Becaus it is still a serious threat to humanity that must be ERADICATED!!!!

Well, no.

Communism is a very good idea. Sadly, it doesn't work on a large scale. I lived in a commune at one point, and it was probably one of the nicest living situations I have experienced. The members actually cared about each other, we all worked together to make the house a better place to live, we took care of each other...

No, it was not what Russia or China became under communist rule, certainly. But it was more of what the ideals behind communism truly represent. Unfortunately, communism doesn't work in a community that is larger than one where all the members know each other.

But it is a good idea. One that, perhaps, should continue to be revisited until a better way to make it work is found, not one that should be eradicated simply because it is possible to pervert it.

I don't believe we are under a threat of living under Communism, but I do believe that Marxist principles is fucking up and may in future fuck up a lot of countries.

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

North Korea
Cuba
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Nepal
African Commie Rebels
Venezuala
Belarus
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
Vietnam
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.

Here's the thing: your actual views are way better satire than your attempt at satire.

Because you're lumping Marxism with communism by fueling ignorance with the image you've created.

And prove it's a damn threat!

Let's use my example of religion. Religion is a threat and this can be proven if we look at how the Muslims and Jews are treated each other in the Mid East. We can look at how the Protestants and Catholics until VERY recently were ready to blow the shit out of each other and had on too many occasions. Religion has fuelled schism within humanity and these petty differences have led to politicians curbing our civil rights so some backwater group of zealots don't have their fucking sensitivities challenged.

Religion: The difference is that religion itself doesn't advocate a violent revolution where one class kills another. Marx himself said "Peace is the abolition of all opposition to socialism." Neithe Christ nor Moses ever said such a thing. As far as I am aware, neither has Mohammed. Buddah DEFFINITLY didn't. And I'm almost positive none of the Hindu gods did.

Communism: China (I know it has a capitalist economic system, but it still is ruled by a autocratic party and desires war for dominance of 1-party system) is supporting such terrorist groups as Al-Queda, which is dragging down the US in Iraq. Communist politicians such as Hillary Clinton are even running for president. North Korea is getting its hands on the bomb. Rebels want to change Nepal to a communist country. Vietnam is the same case as china- opening economy, but still one-party war mongering dictatorship. Rebels all over Africa fight for Communism.
Its still a threat.

#1 - print picture
#2 - bring it down to the tattoo parlor
#3 - have them tattoo the picture on the full panel of your back
#4 - heal
#5 - buy ticket to china
#5a- go to place with large crowd or military base
#6 - take your shirt off and get some input on your artwork
#7 - let us know how it went (we'd be interested)

Well, no.

Communism is a very good idea. Sadly, it doesn't work on a large scale. I lived in a commune at one point, and it was probably one of the nicest living situations I have experienced.

Just because living in a commune may be good for some, doesn't mean that the idea of forcing everyone into these communes is good.


The members actually cared about each other, we all worked together to make the house a better place to live, we took care of each other...


Yeah, voluntarily. This seems to be more supportive of libertarianism.


No, it was not what Russia or China became under communist rule, certainly. But it was more of what the ideals behind communism truly represent. Unfortunately, communism doesn't work in a community that is larger than one where all the members know each other.


Agreed.


But it is a good idea. One that, perhaps, should continue to be revisited until a better way to make it work is found, not one that should be eradicated simply because it is possible to pervert it.

The idea of a commune just isn't the same as communism itself.

Religion: The difference is that religion itself doesn't advocate a violent revolution where one class kills another. Marx himself said "Peace is the abolition of all opposition to socialism." Neithe Christ nor Moses ever said such a thing. As far as I am aware, neither has Mohammed. Buddah DEFFINITLY didn't. And I'm almost positive none of the Hindu gods did.

Communism: China (I know it has a capitalist economic system, but it still is ruled by a autocratic party and desires war for dominance of 1-party system) is supporting such terrorist groups as Al-Queda, which is dragging down the US in Iraq. Communist politicians such as Hillary Clinton are even running for president. North Korea is getting its hands on the bomb. Rebels want to change Nepal to a communist country. Vietnam is the same case as china- opening economy, but still one-party war mongering dictatorship. Rebels all over Africa fight for Communism.
Its still a threat.

You're off your nut. There's no way Hillary's a communist. Too much investment income in her portfolio. You're just spouting talk radio's drive-by talking points like some kind of mindless drive-in speaker. You seem smarter than that -- I hope I wasn't wrong.

Besides, surely you don't think for a moment that Republicans would say "no" if "one-party system" meant their party, do you? Just get real for a few seconds and you'll see how ludicrous you sound.

Such as looking capitalism in the eye and saying "Damn you, why is our dollar so weak? Damn you, why are US citizens in over their heads with credit cards to the tune of just under $1 trillion? Why on EARTH was the first scripted message to the country after 9/11 by our president 'go out and spend money!' How could you let your so-called proponents start a war that makes everything cost more by shooting the price of oil from $25 to nearly $100 a barrel?"

The flaws in sucking the Market's cock for this long are only just starting to show.

Becuase of the TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it straight people, it's the TERRORISTS.
Except for the credit card debt- that's people being stupid. But it ISNT the governments duty to set people straight. They need to do that themselves. "God helps those that help themselves."

This mao looks kinda like Blanka from Street fighter, only that he`s not in a jungle...

Becuase of the TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it straight people, it's the TERRORISTS.
Except for the credit card debt- that's people being stupid. But it ISNT the governments duty to set people straight. They need to do that themselves. "God helps those that help themselves."

So wait, government is God? That doesn't sound too capitalist to me.

And the number of exclamation points serve more to undermine your point than emphasize it. "THE TERRORISTS" have been around for quite some time. 60 Minutes did a piece on Osama after the 1993 WTC bombing. He wasn't a secret. All "THE TERRORISTS" do is keep the populace paranoid, and a frightened populace is a docile populace (see Orwell).

Wow...just wow......

Are you sure you did that with Photoshop, it looks like you did it with MS Paint.

#1 - print picture
#2 - bring it down to the tattoo parlor
#3 - have them tattoo the picture on the full panel of your back
#4 - heal
#5 - buy ticket to china
#5a- go to place with large crowd or military base
#6 - take your shirt off and get some input on your artwork
#7 - let us know how it went (we'd be interested)

Its my #3 goal in life* to get arrested in Communist China. Then break out and start a rebellion. I've got an entire plan set up, all the strategy and stuff. The biggest problem is international support and FOOD! A large part of the Army would have to go into the gobi and circle around to start laying seige to Beijing while the 2nd Army comes up from the south. But that's all I'm telling you.

*1. Convert someone to Christianity.
2. Become President of USA
3. Get arrested in China
4. Lead Rebellion in China
5. Sleep for a night inside the Kremlin.

Lats time I checked it was capitalism that was free to rape and pillage throughout the world with no checks or balances. Capitalism rules? Tell that to the half the world starving under the world banks neo-liberal economics.

Government isn't god, that was just to give a quote showing my point. Note the quotation marks.

The Terrorists have been around for quite some time, yes, but only now are they a serious threat. Ever since 9-11, we've had to notice that the terrorists are much better organized and efficient now-adays, and we have to STOP THEM.


Great. What does that have to do with capitalism?

So wait, government is God? That doesn't sound too capitalist to me.

And the number of exclamation points serve more to undermine your point than emphasize it. "THE TERRORISTS" have been around for quite some time. 60 Minutes did a piece on Osama after the 1993 WTC bombing. He wasn't a secret. All "THE TERRORISTS" do is keep the populace paranoid, and a frightened populace is a docile populace (see Orwell).

Government isn't god, that was just to give a quote showing my point. Note the quotation marks.

The Terrorists have been around for quite some time, yes, but only now are they a serious threat. Ever since 9-11, we've had to notice that the terrorists are much better organized and efficient now-adays, and we have to STOP THEM.


You're off your nut. There's no way Hillary's a communist. Too much investment income in her portfolio. You're just spouting talk radio's drive-by talking points like some kind of mindless drive-in speaker. You seem smarter than that -- I hope I wasn't wrong.

Besides, surely you don't think for a moment that Republicans would say "no" if "one-party system" meant their party, do you? Just get real for a few seconds and you'll see how ludicrous you sound.

Hillary is a hypocrite as well as a communist. There are a ton of quotes, look them up, but this one is the smoking gun: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
And no, I don't think the Republicans would EVER like a 1-party system even if it was their party. I am conservativley niave that way about Bush and the Republicans.

Are you sure you did that with paintshop?

Money's always been tight for my family, so I've had to settle with free software. This is "GIMP".

Terrorists want to destroy capitalism. Therefore, destroying the terrorists is directly linked to preserving the cause of capitalism.

They do? Funny I rarely see that in their demands or targets

Great. What does that have to do with capitalism?

Terrorists want to destroy capitalism. Therefore, destroying the terrorists is directly linked to preserving the cause of capitalism.

Hmm... Does anyone else get the feeling that this is just an exercise in trolling?

So let me get this straight. You're anti communist because of "communist" China, Russia and Hilary Clinton? That's like me saying I'm anti capitalist because of the US, France, and Tony Blair.

China has never truly been communist nor was Russia and as for Hilary Clinton... You say you've read Marx, in which case you'd know how none of the above could truly be called communist (especially not Clinton).

That doesn't mean they are Communist. They are just damned crazy fundamentalists.

World Trade Center. World TRADE center.
And watch some of their videos on TV. They call us pigs and rich, evil people. Sounds anti capitalist to me.

Ohhhhh you're stuck on the whole 'Terrorism only started with the WTC'

I see i'll leave you to your ranting then

lets try to get this more on topic fo wat the dude intended. the pic sucks. and now to derail it back again, its just amazing how people will insult other people for stating something that is true. i have the feeling almost nobody here thinks, or maybe even knows, about what they are saying

They do? Funny I rarely see that in their demands or targets

World Trade Center. World TRADE center.
And watch some of their videos on TV. They call us pigs and rich, evil people. Sounds anti capitalist to me.

World Trade Center. World TRADE center.
And watch some of their videos on TV. They call us pigs and rich, evil people. Sounds anti capitalist to me.

And I bet they really hate pork, why else would they call "us" pigs.:rolleyes:
And are you directly relating "evil people" with capitalism...? interesting.

I'd like to see a picture that was both anti-communist and anti-capitalist.

Hmm... Does anyone else get the feeling that this is just an exercise in trolling?
I called it a couple of pages ago. It's funny to watch. =D

So let me get this straight. You're anti communist because of "communist" China, Russia and Hilary Clinton? That's like me saying I'm anti capitalist because of the US, France, and Tony Blair.

China has never truly been communist nor was Russia and as for Hilary Clinton... You say you've read Marx, in which case you'd know how none of the above could truly be called communist (especially not Clinton).

No, that's not what causes me to be anti-Communist. It's the theory that enrages me. Those are just the only real examples I have. And yes, Clinton is a Communist. China was VERY close to true communist in Mao's reign- maybe more so then USSR. USSR was pretty close, but didn't hit the nail on the head. And you could reasonably say you are anti-capitalist because of US, France, and Tony Blair. Marx Did (sort of).

And are you directly relating "evil people" with capitalism...? interesting.

I'm saying that that's what they're saying.

No, that's not what causes me to be anti-Communist. It's the theory that enrages me. Those are just the only real examples I have. And yes, Clinton is a Communist. China was VERY close to true communist in Mao's reign- maybe more so then USSR. USSR was pretty close, but didn't hit the nail on the head. And you could reasonably say you are anti-capitalist because of US, France, and Tony Blair. Marx Did (sort of).

Ok, heres a challenge for you.

Demonstrate how Hillary Clinton is a communist empirically.

Show us her official policies, comment on how they are communist.

Show us her voting record in the senate, comment on how they are communist.

Show us quotes made by her, comment on how they are communist.

Account for any counterexamples that she's not communist without resorting to an ad hoc hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Ad_hoc_hypothesis). I'm sure some people here can dig up a ton of stuff for you to respond to.

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No, that's not what causes me to be anti-Communist. It's the theory that enrages me. Those are just the only real examples I have. And yes, Clinton is a Communist. China was VERY close to true communist in Mao's reign- maybe more so then USSR. USSR was pretty close, but didn't hit the nail on the head. And you could reasonably say you are anti-capitalist because of US, France, and Tony Blair. Marx Did (sort of).

So, you're anti an idea that states "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? The theory is good, it's introducing the practical part that's difficult due to the nature of man. It's got to be better than "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" which could be argued as a simplified description of capitalism.

lets try to get this more on topic fo wat the dude intended. the pic sucks. and now to derail it back again, its just amazing how people will insult other people for stating something that is true. i have the feeling almost nobody here thinks, or maybe even knows, about what they are saying

Who's side are you on? And please don't call me dude.

What's wrong with calling people dude? It's a cheesy 80's term of endearment. I think it's cute.
Could be because the person's female? I don't know.

I got in the habit of calling everyone 'man', which was kind of silly.

And please don't call me dude.
What's wrong with calling people dude? It's a cheesy 80's term of endearment. I think it's cute.

So, you're anti an idea that states "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? The theory is good, it's introducing the practical part that's difficult due to the nature of man. It's got to be better than "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" which could be argued as a simplified description of capitalism.

Wrong. You present the theory of marxism accurately as presented by marxists, but then inaccurately depict the theory behind capitalism as presented by capitalists.

And your deffinition of capitalism is way off. How about, "Whats mine is mine and what's yours I may buy at a reasonable price if you choose to sell it to me without the government telling me how much I have to spend."
But then your defination of Communism appears to be way off, too. Calling Hilary Clinton Communist seems a bit... ridiculous if I way. I'm a British subject, so I don't have much clue as to American politics, but I doubt a staunch Communist would get as far as she did without being rumbled as such.

I'm staunch anti-communist, so naturally I like everything that is anti-communist, but this pic is kinda sucky... No offence!

Agreed.

So, you're anti an idea that states "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? The theory is good, it's introducing the practical part that's difficult due to the nature of man. It's got to be better than "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" which could be argued as a simplified description of capitalism.

Yes, I'm against that idea. I think that you should be able to produce more then what you can in accordance with your talent and you shall recieve according to how much you can afford, not how much you need.

And your deffinition of capitalism is way off. How about, "Whats mine is mine and what's yours I may buy at a reasonable price if you choose to sell it to me without the government telling me how much I have to spend."

What's wrong with calling people dude? It's a cheesy 80's term of endearment. I think it's cute.

Could be because the person's female? I don't know.

I got in the habit of calling everyone 'man', which was kind of silly.

I am a 14 year old teenage boy. I just don't like "Dude." I find it way too culturally liberal for my tastes. Just like Rap, Rock, and Country.

Wrong. You present the theory of marxism accurately as presented by marxists, but then inaccurately depict the theory behind capitalism as presented by capitalists.
As stated in the quote you..erm...quoted, the statement was a position that could be argued rather than a truly accurate portrayal of capitalism. I guess I should've made that clearer.
Yes, I'm against that idea. I think that you should be able to produce more then what you can in accordance with your talent and you shall recieve according to how much you can afford.

And your deffinition of capitalism is way off. How about, "Whats mine is mine and what's yours I may buy at a reasonable price if you choose to sell it to me without the government telling me how much I have to spend."

Probably a better definition of capitalism from a capitalists perspective, but like the position described by the Marxists for communism, it just doesn't work that way and has never worked that way.

Either Capitalsim is learning the sacred Art of Trolling, or he has the political knowhow of a chimpanzee with Attention Defecit Disorder. Personally, due to the baiting title and you're constant repetition of terrorists and exclamation marks, i'm going with the former.
But in the interests of not troll baiting, let's just get this over with;
You're 'work' is rather boring. All you've done is covered Mao in red and green and wrote an evil laugh underneath him. I've seen cartoon villains with more depth than that.
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Either Capitalsim is learning the sacred Art of Trolling, or he has the political knowhow of a chimpanzee with Attention Defecit Disorder. Personally, due to the baiting title and you're constant repetition of terrorists and exclamation marks, i'm going with the former.
But in the interests of not troll baiting, let's just get this over with;
You're 'work' is rather boring. All you've done is covered Mao in red and green and wrote an evil laugh underneath him. I've seen cartoon villains with more depth than that.
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He's evil enough looking without my colors, teeth, and beard/blood thing. I mean, have you seen the guy? He's about the size of a troll!


Probably a better definition of capitalism from a capitalists perspective, but like the position described by the Marxists for communism, it just doesn't work that way and has never worked that way.

It's never worked that way BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED!!!

I am a 14 year old teenage boy.
That explains it; you're too young for it to be postmodern irony, but old enough to catch the kids who thought "Dude, Where's My Car?" was anything other than shameless mocking.

You have my pity.

That explains it; you're too young for it to be postmodern irony, but old enough to catch the kids who thought "Dude, Where's My Car?" was anything other than shameless mocking.

You have my pity.

I really think it's just social conservatism. The same reason I hate rap, rock, and country.

Even if Mao wasn't a great democratic leader, he did do some good for China, like increasing literacy amongst the general population through the introduction of Simplified Chinese. This doesn't mean I support this, I'm only saying that even if they did commit plenty of evil acts, they did do some good for their people. The same can be said for most.

The good he did was a trifle compared to the tens of millions of people who died. A competent leader would have made the improvements Mao did without the idiot ones.

It's never worked that way BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED!!!

But government only got involved in the first place because they were asked to (in some instances by business). It's only been comparatively recently that business and libertarians seem to believe otherwise.

But government only got involved in the first place because they were asked to (in some instances by business). It's only been comparatively recently that business and libertarians seem to believe otherwise.

Good point. My definition of capitalism can't work becuase the government has to step in at some point, and when that happens they are going to corrupt the system. But they still have to step in. I see what you're saying. I still think Capitalism is the best economic system out there, but I see why it can't ever wholely work out with my deffiniton.

Unrelated: BTW, this thread seems to be slowing down, so I just wanted to say I've had a good time debating. I hope none of you took anything personally, it wasn't meant that way. And I hope I haven't made any enemies. Bye!

Good point. My definition of capitalism can't work becuase the government has to step in at some point, and when that happens they are going to corrupt the system. But they still have to step in. I see what you're saying. I still think Capitalism is the best economic system out there, but I see why it can't ever wholely work out with my deffiniton.

Unrelated: BTW, this thread seems to be slowing down, so I just wanted to say I've had a good time debating. I hope none of you took anything personally, it wasn't meant that way. And I hope I haven't made any enemies. Bye!

You see, if nothing else that's got to be the most polite ending to a thread I think I've ever read. Good for you!:)

You see, if nothing else that's got to be the most polite ending to a thread I think I've ever read. Good for you!:)

It was the most motherfucking disgraceful end to a fucking thread I've ever fucking read.

Government isn't god, that was just to give a quote showing my point. Note the quotation marks.

The Terrorists have been around for quite some time, yes, but only now are they a serious threat. Ever since 9-11, we've had to notice that the terrorists are much better organized and efficient now-adays, and we have to STOP THEM.

Hillary is a hypocrite as well as a communist. There are a ton of quotes, look them up, but this one is the smoking gun: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
And no, I don't think the Republicans would EVER like a 1-party system even if it was their party. I am conservativley niave that way about Bush and the Republicans.

Source for that quote, please.

World Trade Center. World TRADE center.
And watch some of their videos on TV. They call us pigs and rich, evil people. Sounds anti capitalist to me.

Pentagon. Pentagon. Holy crap! They hate the number five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or is it just doughnut-shaped buildings regardless of the number of walls? Nuts, that means my old school of music is a terroist target.

Who's side are you on? And please don't call me dude.

He can call you whatever he wants, so long as it stays within the forum rules, junior.

I really think it's just social conservatism. The same reason I hate rap, rock, and country.

Ah, I see. So there's not one song in all the recorded history of those three genres that you like. And you've heard them all, have you? See, sonny, "hate" is far too strong a word to waste on something like popular music. I so miss those heady days of being right about everything and making sweeping generalizations without knowing very much about the topic. Fourteen was nice *nods*

It was the most motherfucking disgraceful end to a fucking thread I've ever fucking read.

No more disgraceful than gratuitous expletives.











You bastid.

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/piggy_g87/?action=view&current=happycommie.jpg

Tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I am no expert with MS Paint.

:p

I hope this person isn't from the US or I would be really worry about what kind of US history kids are learning in their JHS nowadays.

If the US government never step into free market. You will not be "buying what you can afford". You would have been working since you are 5 year old getting pay barely enough to afford a piece of bread and tea to fill you up after working a 12 hour day.

Even if Mao wasn't a great democratic leader, he did do some good for China, like increasing literacy amongst the general population through the introduction of Simplified Chinese. This doesn't mean I support this, I'm only saying that even if they did commit plenty of evil acts, they did do some good for their people. The same can be said for most.

Jesus christ he didn't... Mao was an AWFUL ruler. Not merely because he was a communist, but because he was inept. It took Deng Xiaoping to actually make the Chinese government begin to work.

I am a 14 year old teenage boy. I just don't like "Dude." I find it way too culturally liberal for my tastes. Just like Rap, Rock, and Country.

dude, no offence, but I think you must be one of the most boring 14-year old teenage boys I've ever "met".

Looks more like what a Capitalist pic would be like...

Religion: The difference is that religion itself doesn't advocate a violent revolution where one class kills another. Marx himself said "Peace is the abolition of all opposition to socialism." Neithe Christ nor Moses ever said such a thing. As far as I am aware, neither has Mohammed. Buddah DEFFINITLY didn't. And I'm almost positive none of the Hindu gods did.

Communism: China (I know it has a capitalist economic system, but it still is ruled by a autocratic party and desires war for dominance of 1-party system) is supporting such terrorist groups as Al-Queda, which is dragging down the US in Iraq. Communist politicians such as Hillary Clinton are even running for president. North Korea is getting its hands on the bomb. Rebels want to change Nepal to a communist country. Vietnam is the same case as china- opening economy, but still one-party war mongering dictatorship. Rebels all over Africa fight for Communism.
Its still a threat.

China may be called "communist" just like the US likes to pretend it's a "democracy" when it's really a republic. If China was truly communist, they would not have embraced a capitalist market, would they? Capitalism is the prime enemy of communism as an ideology, given what the objective is.

China isn't the only nation supporting al-Qaeda. Pakistan is supporting it because they have failed to drive it from the nation, proving that they have an incredible reluctance to act on the threat within their borders, given they do have the ability to fight it.

North Korea is working to actively to dismantle any systems for nuclear arsenal. Your point here is moot.

The Maoist rebels in Nepal are fighting against the monarchy. This is what the people want. It may not be what you want but if the people are supporting the rebels then it reflects the desires of the population and hence is only a threat in your eyes.

As for the rebels in Africa... I can't say for sure, but it seems like the groups that are fighting just want control. Control isn't just limited to communism as you've deluded yourself into believing.

As for the "abolition", let's take it and apply it to slavery. The abolition came both through peaceful means and through violent means. It depends on what nation you look at. Hence, to achieve peace through the abolition of opposition to socialism you can still do it through diplomatic means. It's all in the interpretation of the text. It's all in how you interpret the text.

As with any religion, its the people who are initiating the violence and not the Messiahs, Prophets et al who have promoted it. It's a result of the people and their often twisted, out-of-context interpretations that have led to violence. This is true of any religion (Burmese monks anyone?) as of any ideology.

Hillary is a hypocrite as well as a communist. There are a ton of quotes, look them up, but this one is the smoking gun: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
And no, I don't think the Republicans would EVER like a 1-party system even if it was their party. I am conservativley niave that way about Bush and the Republicans.

The only thing even remotely may be a "communistic" aspect of Clinton may be her desire to introduce universal healthcare. There are plenty of non-socialist nations that have this. Does this make us commies? If it did, the US would have far more enemies than friends during the Cold War.

Source the quote you've provided, with the FULL context. Otherwise it's meaningless tripe you're throwing around.


Terrorists want to destroy capitalism. Therefore, destroying the terrorists is directly linked to preserving the cause of capitalism.

World Trade Center. World TRADE center.
And watch some of their videos on TV. They call us pigs and rich, evil people. Sounds anti capitalist to me.

It seems that the terrorists missed the other World Trade Centre... or maybe they planned on attacking the one in Brussels but being the men they were, it was inherently beneath them to ask for directions.

http://weaselhut.net/IMG_0817.jpg

- picture taken my me. This is in Brussels, Belgium, August 2007

The good he did was a trifle compared to the tens of millions of people who died. A competent leader would have made the improvements Mao did without the idiot ones.

That's why I said "some". The level of assholery was merely implied. As for those who died, there are many people who have been killed by leaders implementing improvements sans "communism". Perhaps Iraq is a good example of this.

Jesus christ he didn't... Mao was an AWFUL ruler. Not merely because he was a communist, but because he was inept. It took Deng Xiaoping to actually make the Chinese government begin to work.

I never said he was a good ruler. I said that even if he did a shit load of bad stuff, it doesn't mean he never did anything good for his people. The same could be said for any dictator or absolute ruler. It's easy to say that because of an ideology that a person is automatically guilty of only doing bad, omitting that they also performed some (some is a nice word with a VERY broad meaning) good.

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

Watch Marx In Soho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSYczEWz1Q4), for it will be enlightening to you. If you still think that China or the USSR were ever communist after watching this, than you are willfully blind.

The picture itself can hardly be accused of being anti-Communist. It's just a Chinese Communist Party poster with Mao coloured in green and laughter added in.

Erm... why would you go out of your way to make an anti-Communist picture?

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

That picture is a perfect storm.

11/10

Mwah ha ha ha ha ha!!! Eh he he he he he....

Like I said, I'm not very good at photoshop.

Try MS Paint.

There is only one piece of art that summarises communism, and it does so completely:

http://atlas-tdaqtalks.web.cern.ch/ATLAS-TDAQtalks/Media/atlas-1a.jpg

I'm getting a copy of it some day.

Okay craftsmanship, wonderful idea. :)

There is only one piece of art that summarises communism, and it does so completely

communism = naked men lifting math-looking objects?

communism = naked men lifting math-looking objects?
Yes. Unequivocally so.

Atlas Shrugged, right?

Not read it, but not heard good things. Probably won't read it, I've been in more of a historical novel mood recently.

I'm too sexy for Communism.
So I guess that makes me the anti-communist, and the number of the beast is 120-010-1100.

I'm too sexy for Communism.

*expropriates Bann-ed's sexiness*

*redistributes it to the ugly people*

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

I love you, man. :fluffle:

Communism: China is supporting such terrorist groups as Al-Queda


And the proof of this, other than from your posterior that is?


Communist politicians such as Hillary Clinton are even running for president.


This proves you don't even know what communism is.


North Korea is getting its hands on the bomb.


You're from 2004 aren't you? They already have. And that's hardly a threat unless they want to be glassed.


Vietnam is the same case as china- opening economy, but still one-party war mongering dictatorship.


Vietnam is war mongering? Since when?


Rebels all over Africa fight for Communism.


And your proof of this is? Bandit groups and warlords out to carve their territory out is hardly "for communism".

You fail. Get your evidence from places other than talk show pundits next time.

*expropriates Bann-ed's sexiness*

*redistributes it to the ugly people*

I KNEW IT!

Like I said, I'm not very good at photoshop.
The photoshop is fine. The problem lies elsewhere...

I KNEW IT!

Give that back you no-longer-hideous hobo!

*expropriates Bann-ed's sexiness*

*redistributes it to the ugly people*

LOLZ!!!!

FTW!

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.cute. its so innocent. you must be like 13 years old.

I give you a 8/10 for the effort value.
II am not going to rate the artistic value.. because ... its Thursday ;)

And the proof of this, other than from your posterior that is?



This proves you don't even know what communism is.



You're from 2004 aren't you? They already have. And that's hardly a threat unless they want to be glassed.



Vietnam is war mongering? Since when?



And your proof of this is? Bandit groups and warlords out to carve their territory out is hardly "for communism".

You fail. Get your evidence from places other than talk show pundits next time.

God damn that sucks donkey balls. So does communism but you should leave art to people with talent.

QFT times two.

Oh, and in before someone else posts it;

http://boldt.us/4556-2/ROFL_MAO

God damn that sucks donkey balls. So does communism but you should leave art to people with talent.

http://www.geocities.com/alpha96_ex/Animated/blankagif.gif

Mao kicking ass :D

Atlas Shrugged, right?

Not read it, but not heard good things. Probably won't read it, I've been in more of a historical novel mood recently.
That statue is on the cover of my edition.

But I think it's just generally a nice statue. I like the modernist style anyways, and he's got that look in his eyes.

And the real beauty is that the communist can look at it and see the communist hero doing what he can to save mankind, and I can look at it and see a tortured soul being chained to all the misfortunes of the world. As I said, it expresses communism very well, in my opinion.

http://boldt.us/4556-2/ROFL_MAO
I actually literally laughed out loud. :D

Communist politicians such as Hillary Clinton are even running for president.

:confused:

North Korea is getting its hands on the bomb.

They have, but are smart enough to know the repercussions that would result if they used it.

Rebels want to change Nepal to a communist country.

They do, but they pose no threat whatsoever to the U.S. A landlocked, mountainous, undeveloped country thousands of miles away is not exactly a looming danger.

Vietnam is the same case as china- opening economy, but still one-party war mongering dictatorship.

Vietnam and the U.S. are major trading partners, and relations between the two countries are warm and growing friendlier and friendlier.

Rebels all over Africa fight for Communism.

Communism is almost entirely dead in Africa. The former Communist states have all abandoned one-party rule and implemented political and economic reforms, and most Communist parties have adopted social democracy as their ideology. The only place in Africa where Marxism is still alive (at least in name) is Zimbabwe, whose president is a self-proclaimed Marxist.

Its still a threat.

Not as much as it was before. Thank God.

Watch Marx In Soho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSYczEWz1Q4), for it will be enlightening to you. If you still think that China or the USSR were ever communist after watching this, than you are willfully blind.

Summarize it, please.

It's only two and a half minutes long, it's not much out of your day.

It's only two and a half minutes long, it's not much out of your day.

True, but I'm kind of lazy. :p

Edit: Eh, what the hell, I'll give it a look.

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.

the vampire mouth is a little off center.

shadows are your friend. when you add things to a pic with shadows, the things you add must also cast shadows in the same direction.

horns should come to a point.

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.
This is going to be honest criticism, so try not to be offended:

First off, the two red appendages extending from Mao's mouth are a bit ambiguous. If they're meant to be whisker's, they need to be rooted under the nose, not the sides of the mouth. If they're some form of mouth-tentacle, they need to come from inside the mouth. If it's blood, well, blood doesn't flow that way.

Eyebrows don't look like that, even thick ones.

The clouds in the back suffer from pixelation.

Lastly: The picture isn't saying anything. The only real message you can read out of it is "Communism suxxors! Hurr, hurr..." and that's not really anything anyone but someone that hates communism from the bottom of their heart will find meaningful in any way. You need some sort of bigger concept behind it.

I noticed a few errors and made some slight changes. I think it is perfect now:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5407/evilmaodl8.jpg

EDIT: My judgment has been off before, so if anyone notices something that still needs to be changed, go ahead and take care of it.

That awesome Mao makes me want to be a Communist.

I noticed a few errors and made some slight changes. I think it is perfect now:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5407/evilmaodl8.jpg

EDIT: My judgment has been off before, so if anyone notices something that still needs to be changed, go ahead and take care of it.The Chinese letters on the left need to be tastefully covered as well to completely obscure the original meaning :p

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

North Korea
granted.
Cuba
Wow, two for two. Congratulations on your C in geography.
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Oh, dear Mod! Not another "anyone who disagrees with me is a Commie" troll!
Nepal
Since when did Nepal go communist?
African Commie Rebels
Are there still any, or did you just forget that it's no longer 1965?
Venezuala
1) It's spelled "Venezuela". Get a dictionary.
2) Chavez is a dictator posing as a populist. So are many others. What's your point?
Belarus
ZOMG! A former Soviet apparatchik refuses to give up power? what were the odds?
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
China has embraced capitalism with both hands, and is currently strangling it into submission. The police-state dictatorship, however is alive and well.
Vietnam
Vietnam would be a third-world shithole no matter what its government.
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.
Oh sure, plenty. Like Botswana, Libya, Syria, Canada, Australia, the entire EU, and pretty much every country except the Holy United States. What else ya got, Sparky?

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/RReagan_1980/?action=view&current=evilmao.jpg

Please, tell me what you think! Bear in mind, I'm not an expert with photoshop.
That Mao actually convinced me that Communism is awesome and indeed cool. He's like a communist version of the GREEEEEEEN GIANT (ho ho ho). I can see myself eating his delicious, Marxist-Leninist sweetcorn right now with no complaints about its quality, price or packaging, to be quite honest.


It's not subtle enough - for example, does this make you hate me?

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7846/reagangerde2.png

OH THE BITING SATIRE!

The Terrorists have been around for quite some time, yes, but only now are they a serious threat. Ever since 9-11, we've had to notice that the terrorists are much better organized and efficient now-adays, and we have to STOP THEM.
If nothing else, I like your spelling of nowadays. It's... gentlemanly.

There are some more serious threats AT THE MOMENT, but in the long run, Communism is still out there...

North Korea
Cuba
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Nepal
African Commie Rebels
Venezuala
Belarus
Still Communist in name (increases potential for real communism):
China
Vietnam
I'm pretty sure there were some others, I just can't remember them.

Oh, oh, add me!

Wait, I'm not a communist, I'm just a good person who believes everyone should have the same opportunities regardless of income.

Damn, I wanted to be on that list :(

Oh, oh, add me!

Wait, I'm not a communist, I'm just a good person who believes everyone should have the same opportunities regardless of income.

Damn, I wanted to be on that list :(
Oh, God!

Teh ebil Communists are attacking!

Run, run!

Before they brainwash you with the fact that money doens't mean everything!

Hilary Clinton is the new Stalin! She wants to send you to the Gulag!

That Mao actually convinced me that Communism is awesome and indeed cool. He's like a communist version of the GREEEEEEEN GIANT (ho ho ho). I can see myself eating his delicious, Marxist-Leninist sweetcorn right now with no complaints about its quality, price or packaging, to be quite honest.


It's not subtle enough - for example, does this make you hate me?

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7846/reagangerde2.png

OH THE BITING SATIRE!

Nice!