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I have come to the realization that all "ghosts" are fake. The little "energy orbs" you see on the camara or video? Close-up dust. Sounds of "help me"? Just our mind trying to hear somthing, the power of suggestion or something like that. Does anyone want to share their opinon? What? Everyone hates me so their not posting?:(

The ghosts you see on these crap TV shows are certainly fake, as are thse crap TV shows. Which is a shame really as ghost are real!:eek:

The ghosts you see on these crap TV shows are certainly fake, as are thse crap TV shows. Which is a shame really as ghost are real!
All ghosts are fake, there is no solid proof of ghosts and people have been trying to fake ghosts for years. Which leads to the conclusion that there is no ghosts. Or spoons, I eat my cereal with a fork.

All ghosts are fake, there is no solid proof of ghosts and people have been trying to fake ghosts for years. Which leads to the conclusion that there is no ghosts. Or spoons, I eat my cereal with a fork.

Heh and you know that for sure, how?

http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/louisville/archives/Casper-Friendly-Ghost.jpg

:D

Heh and you know that for sure, how?
Bring some proof, and I will show you that it's not real.

Bring some proof, and I will show you that it's not real.

Sooo what you are saying is that you don't know that for sure then?

Ghosts as in the spirits/souls of the dead are probably not real, but I don't know for certain. Ghosts as in the various phenomena that are attributed to the spirits/souls of the dead most certainly are real.

your mom's fake.

Sooo what you are saying is that you don't know that for sure then?
No, what I am saying is that bring me anything you would call proof and I will PROVE to you that it is NOT real.

No, what I am saying is that bring me anything you would call proof and I will PROVE to you that it is NOT real.

You can't do that though. How do you intend to prove to me that the evidence of my own senses are fake?

Guys guys guys. stop right there... you guys don't know that morality KNOWS EVERYTHING? seriously just stop trying to prove him wrong. he knows everything, no matter what, some call him god.

No, what I am saying is that bring me anything you would call proof and I will PROVE to you that it is NOT real.

What exactly do you mean by ghosts? The actual spirits of the dead, or the phenomena attributed to the spirits of the dead? Further, if you really think that ghosts, of whichever kind, certainly do not exist, then you must have some basis for thinking this. What might that basis be?

You can't do that though. How do you intend to prove to me that the evidence of my own senses are fake?

There are plenty of ways to show that an individuals sensory data is fake, otherwise we wouldn't have a word for hallucination.

You should never underestimate just how powerful expectancy effects can be.

^he told you

There are plenty of ways to show that an individuals sensory data is fake, otherwise we wouldn't have a word for hallucination.

That is of course true, but rest assured, I have not hallucinated all of the ghosts I have seen, nor have the many people who have witnessed such things whilst standing next to me.

Guys guys guys. stop right there... you guys don't know that morality KNOWS EVERYTHING? seriously just stop trying to prove him wrong. he knows everything, no matter what, some call him god.

Some call him the gangster of love.....

Some call him the gangster of love.....

I have heard that some even call him Maurice!

That is of course true, but rest assured, I have not hallucinated all of the ghosts I have seen, nor have the many people who have witnessed such things whilst standing next to me.

Have your senses been kind enough to provide a scientific exlpanation for the things they detected?

Have your senses been kind enough to provide a scientific exlpanation for the things they detected?

Nope, only the ghost explanation fits any of what I have seen.

Cos he speaks of the poppatus of love

No he don't, reading what he does speak, I would say he speaks unsubstantiated drivel, heh but that is just me.

I have heard that some even call him Maurice!

Cos he speaks of the poppatus of love

Nope, only the ghost explanation fits any of what I have seen.

What exactly is the ghost explanation?

What exactly is the ghost explanation?

Y'know, what was that, shit it's a ghost.

I wouldn't like to even try to guess what a ghost is, but in most of the ghostly encounters I have had there has been the newly dead involved.

hahahaaha gangster of love. pretty soon he's going to have his own show "and i'm reaping all the benefits" (wedding singer)

What exactly is the ghost explanation?

You know the general explanations people have come up with over the ages to explain that that they don't understand.

Ghosts did it, magic, god did it.

I however remain a sceptic operating under "I'll believe it when I see it".

I however remain a sceptic operating under "I'll believe it when I see it".

I prefer "I'll acknowledge the results of a thorough scientific study into the matter", but that doesn't roll off the tongue as much.

You know the general explanations people have come up with over the ages to explain that that they don't understand.

Ghosts did it, magic, god did it.

I however remain a sceptic operating under "I'll believe it when I see it".

Best way to be, and obviously I seen it and I believe it.

I prefer "I'll acknowledge the results of a thorough scientific study into the matter", but that doesn't roll off the tongue as much.

That's what I meant by "see" :p

I prefer "I'll acknowledge the results of a thorough scientific study into the matter", but that doesn't roll off the tongue as much.

Heh and just in the interest of humour, tell me do you apply this to every aspects of life? I mean say that your Mum, or your spouse, or your other half, cuz, bro, sis whatever, made you a sandwich and told you that there was a cheese sandwich with you name on it, on a plate in the kitchen.

Would you demand rigorous scientific test to determine the validity of the sandwich, or would you just run into the kitchen and grab your sarny?

I have heard that some even call him Maurice!

Some call him Tim (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b7/350px-Tim_the_Enchanter.PNG).

Especially the holy one..

That's what I meant by "see" :p
I see.
Heh and just in the interest of humour, tell me do you apply this to every aspects of life? I mean say that your Mum, or your spouse, or your other half, cuz, bro, sis whatever, made you a sandwich and told you that there was a cheese sandwich with you name on it, on a plate in the kitchen.

Would you demand rigorous scientific test to determine the validity of the sandwich, or would you just run into the kitchen and grab your sarny?

Just grab my sarny. But investigating the possibility of an afterlife calls for a bit more rigour than investigating the possibility of a sammich.

Some call him Tim (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b7/350px-Tim_the_Enchanter.PNG).

What! Is you favorite colour?

Heh and just in the interest of humour, tell me do you apply this to every aspects of life? I mean say that your Mum, or your spouse, or your other half, cuz, bro, sis whatever, made you a sandwich and told you that there was a cheese sandwich with you name on it, on a plate in the kitchen.

Would you demand rigorous scientific test to determine the validity of the sandwich, or would you just run into the kitchen and grab your sarny?

Depends. Is the sandwich allegedly made of pure energy?

On a slightly related but not really note, that would be awesome.

I see.


Just grab my sarny. But investigating the possibility of an afterlife calls for a bit more rigour than investigating the possibility of a sammich.

Well perhaps, the point being though, you see a sandwich, you don't ask your self is it real.

I have seen many ghosts, I know beyond a doubt that they do exist. As I say though what they are, well *shrug* idunno.

Depends. Is the sandwich allegedly made of pure energy?

On a slightly related but not really note, that would be awesome.

Heh is awesome you mean. Isn't matter energy after all?

Depends. Is the sandwich allegedly made of pure energy?

On a slightly related but not really note, that would be awesome.
Best sandwich EVAR.
Well perhaps, the point being though, you see a sandwich, you don't ask your self is it real.

I have seen many ghosts, I know beyond a doubt that they do exist. As I say though what they are, well *shrug* idunno.

I don't the existence of ghosts, I question their nature. People have been seeing things and calling them ghosts for centuries, it'd be nice to know what they actually are.

Best sandwich EVAR.


I don't the existence of ghosts, I question their nature. People have been seeing things and calling them ghosts for centuries, it'd be nice to know what they actually are.

Yeah I agree. Due to one particular place I lived, I am prepared to believe that ghosts do indeed have something to do with dead people.

Well perhaps, the point being though, you see a sandwich, you don't ask your self is it real.

If the sandwich isn't real, my mind will trick me into thinking it is and it will taste just the same so it doesn't matter.

I think that there is something to the 'ghost' idea. Humans have been telling stories of encounters with ghostlike things for as long as there has been history. Personally, I have had two eerie and inexplicable experiences with what could be considered ghosts. On both occasions, another person has witnessed the phenomenon, and in one of them, the police were notified. Do I believe that I saw the dead? Not really, but I think that I saw what my imperfect human brain rationalized into recognizable shapes.
I think that is the real answer to the ghost phenomenon. There is undeniably some exterior, non-human force capable of causing physical effects, doors slamming, coldness, ect. I think that our bodies are unable to accuratley process these effects, so our brain rationalizes them into recognizable things, like voices or human figures. Its like that gorilla that escaped into New York a few years ago. A woman saw the gorilla, but her brain found the notion that there was a gorilla in NY so absurd that she percieved a man in scuba gear. I think ghosts in our world are like gorillas in New York.

If the sandwich isn't real, my mind will trick me into thinking it is and it will taste just the same so it doesn't matter.

That is until you die of starvation, coz you're eating imaginary food.;)

A woman saw the gorilla, but her brain found the notion that there was a gorilla in NY so absurd that she percieved a man in scuba gear. I think ghosts in our world are like gorillas in New York.

Source for this?

There is undeniably some exterior, non-human force capable of causing physical effects, doors slamming, coldness, ect.

Odd, that's never happened to me, so I don't consider it undeniable.

That is until you die of starvation, coz you're eating imaginary food.;)

For all I know that's already happened, and this is the afterlife.

Odd, that's never happened to me, so I don't consider it undeniable.

Where I come from, I call it wind. ;)

Where I come from, I call it wind. ;)

Interestingly enough my vent and door have been shutting themselves every now and again, evidently pumping cold down from the ceiling while it's mid-30s (C) outside and there's a computer running all day results in abnormal air pressure and flow. Although at the moment the air-conditioner's off so it's rather hot in here... I'm going to bed.[/rambling]

I believe in ghosts, but not as spirits of the dead. If you see a ghost of your relative, chances are it's not your relative at all. Your relative's gone somewhere, not stuck in the meta-corporeal realm. What you're seeing is teh evil force of doom.

Believing that ghosts do not exist is a spiritual belief. In other words, you believe something about the supernatural without any evidence.
Em......and?

Believing that ghosts do not exist is a spiritual belief. In other words, you believe something about the supernatural without any evidence.

I have never seen a ghost, or any evidence for one, nor have I seen evidence that ghosts do not exist. I assume they don't exist, because I have no evidence for such, but I am aware that it is an assumption.

Believing that ghosts do not exist is a spiritual belief. In other words, you believe something about the supernatural without any evidence.

I have never seen a ghost, or any evidence for one, nor have I seen evidence that ghosts do not exist. I assume they don't exist, because I have no evidence for such, but I am aware that it is an assumption.

I like that, and we don't often see it in places like this. I have no problems with people looking towards empirical facts for their beliefs, and no problem with people looking towards faith for their beliefs. As long as they realises where such beliefs come from then fuck it believe what you like.

I prefer "I'll acknowledge the results of a thorough scientific study into the matter", but that doesn't roll off the tongue as much.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/8/f/e8fd45a27efa435f5be0d60a65ec07c0.jpg

Em......and?

I just wanted to clarify that the OP's belief is a faith-based belief rather than one based on empirical observation or logic.

Unless the OP has some evidence that (s)he has not mentioned, which is also possible.

You can't do that though. How do you intend to prove to me that the evidence of my own senses are fake?
You know that picture where two parallel lines are shown and one seems shorter than the other? The trick is to tilt the picture or use a ruler.

He can help you finding the place where your perception mislead you. :)

You know that picture where two parallel lines are shown and one seems shorter than the other? The trick is to tilt the picture or use a ruler.

He can help you finding the place where your perception mislead you. :)

Yeah okay, or I can belive the multiple times that I have witnessed these things, and count how many times a year I am prone to these sorts of 'mind tricks' to see what the avarage is.

Ohhh hold on, it's nowt.(drugs not included) I have seen, and done things that all of my senses tell me where real. For this very reason, I believe in ghosts, in strange powers, and in God.

Bring some proof, and I will show you that it's not real.

To make up one's mind before examining evidence flies in the face of the scientific method.

To make up one's mind before examining evidence flies in the face of the scientific method.

Flies like a haunting spirit wailing at death.
Or floating 'round a gas station.

I can't say. I don't know if they exist, don't exist, or could exist.

no shit ghosts don't exist

step 1: watch a human body decompose completely
step 2: did it turn into a ghost, or just break down into minerals as expected?

I have to agree with the "Ghosts are fake" theory. Evidence accumulated from numerous Scooby-Doo episodes show that in every case, the ghost in question was a hoax perpetrated in order to reap some sort of financial gain. I know this evidence is anecdotal, but I find it very convincing.

Well, that's one third of the trinity gone.. Now let's start on the father and the son..

There is no evidence for ghosts, so why believe them? Even a little bit of information, be it on how the human mind searches for explanations or how shutter speeds and apertures on camera work leaves no question about their existence.

Well, that's one third of the trinity gone.. Now let's start on the father and the son..

But aren't they supposed to be three "versions" of the same "entity" or whatever? If one doesn't exist then the others don't. :p

But aren't they supposed to be three "versions" of the same "entity" or whatever? If one doesn't exist then the others don't. :p

Oh.. okay.. Well, that was easy..

What should we do now?

Oh.. okay.. Well, that was easy..

What should we do now?

Disprove Buddha?

your mom's fake.

No, just certain parts of Conservative Morality's mom are fake.

Ghosts are fake!!!Gods are fake!!!

There is no evidence for ghosts, so why believe them? Even a little bit of information, be it on how the human mind searches for explanations or how shutter speeds and apertures on camera work leaves no question about their existence.

Personal experience.

As for the shit on TV... well... mostly it's just attention whores.

For all I know that's already happened, and this is the afterlife.

Well, you must have been a real asshole in life if you get sent to an afterlife with NSG! :D

Also, ghosts do exist:
http://www.ddth.com/images/avatars/Starcraft_Terran_Ghost.gif

Nuclear launch detected!

Also, ghosts do exist:
http://www.ddth.com/images/avatars/Starcraft_Terran_Ghost.gif

Nuclear launch detected!

WHERE'S THE RED DOT WHERE'S THE RED DOT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT...

http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/louisville/archives/Casper-Friendly-Ghost.jpg

:D
http://www.legalmoviesdownloads.com/movie_screenshots/Ghost_Busters/Ghost_Busters_7.jpg


:D

WHERE'S THE RED DOT WHERE'S THE RED DOT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT...

And this is why I hated playing certain friends of mine if they were Terran. :D

I have come to the realization that all "ghosts" are fake. The little "energy orbs" you see on the camara or video? Close-up dust. Sounds of "help me"? Just our mind trying to hear somthing, the power of suggestion or something like that. Does anyone want to share their opinon? What? Everyone hates me so their not posting?:(
I love polls that total over 100% :rolleyes:

No, what I am saying is that bring me anything you would call proof and I will PROVE to you that it is NOT real.

That's not how it works. You have made an assertion. Therefore, you have to provide the proof.

That's not how it works. You have made an assertion. Therefore, you have to provide the proof.

Indeed. If someone else had made a thread saying "Ghosts are definitely teh r33l!" then it would be reasonable to ask for proof, as they would have made the assertion.

Basically the burden of proof is on the thread-starter if they make an assertion.

So Conservative Morality must now prove that ghosts are fake.

So Conservative Morality must now prove that ghosts are fake.
I saw one yesterday (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543261).......so?? :D

You know the general explanations people have come up with over the ages to explain that that they don't understand.

Ghosts did it, magic, god did it.

I however remain a sceptic operating under "I'll believe it when I see it".

And, with the twenty-sixth post, Dryks Legacy wins the Bringing-God-into-the-Thread Award (the "Lordy").

I saw one yesterday (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543261).......so?? :D

I've had several experiences that would put me on the "ghosts exist" side.

I used to be a "I'll believe it when I see it" type.

Conserative Morality is a ghost! :D

I have come to the realization that all "ghosts" are fake. The little "energy orbs" you see on the camara or video? Close-up dust. Sounds of "help me"? Just our mind trying to hear somthing, the power of suggestion or something like that. Does anyone want to share their opinon? What? Everyone hates me so their not posting?:(

My mom and I were attacked by ghosts once on vacation. My mom has the photos.

Conserative Morality is a ghost! :D

More like Conservative morality.
By which I am implying that Conservatives lack morality.
Unless that is what you mean by your post, in which case, I applaud your humour. *clappity clap*

My mom and I were attacked by ghosts once on vacation. My mom has the photos.

Gotta hate that. Especially if they've got a skilled pilot who keeps splattering you.

http://www.covenant-clan.co.uk/images/ghost.jpg

Though, I prefer the warthog. :D

Well, that's one third of the trinity gone.. Now let's start on the father and the son..

But aren't they supposed to be three "versions" of the same "entity" or whatever? If one doesn't exist then the others don't. :p

Oh.. okay.. Well, that was easy..

What should we do now?

Fools! Their various cults were the only things keeping the Conservatives in check! Now they'll slaughter us all as they seek to bring about the only prophecy that doesn't require a miracle - Armageddon!
Thanks a lot, a-holes. I was just set up to move in with my girlfriend. :upyours:

If a ghost can pass through walls then why doesn't it sink through the floor and ground and fall into the center of the Earth?

If ghosts can pass through walls but aren't affected by gravity then why don't they fly off into space? (The Earth is moving around the sun and the sun around the galaxy and the glaxay through space.)

If ghosts can't pass through walls and can't fly then why aren't we bumbping into them all the time?

If you liek a mudkip, does it liek you back?

If I call down the thunder, do I have to reap the whirlwind?

Why was StarCraft: Ghosts cancelled?

Do you want to know what happens when you die? Because I know and all I'm going to say is it's a big suprise.

If you liek a mudkip, does it liek you back?

Only in Soviet Russia (http://gallery.ppnstudio.com/albums/userpics/thumb_th_mudkip.jpg).

Do you want to know what happens when you die? Because I know and all I'm going to say is it's a big suprise.

Does it involve cake?

Does it involve cake?
Sadly, no. I am the great and powerful Comp-U-Comp! COWER BEFORE ME!

Do you remember Dilbert? The TV show?

And, with the twenty-sixth post, Dryks Legacy wins the Bringing-God-into-the-Thread Award (the "Lordy").

Ooops, that's supposed to say gods, I was typing that at around 12:30am.

See the thing is I look back through history and see tons of thoughts along the lines of "Hmm, the sun disappeared, a dragon must have eaten it, let's sacrifice some people until it comes back up again". With time we've come up with much more reasonable explanations, I believe that the same thing will happen here.

I have come to the realization that all "ghosts" are fake.

You haven't gotten out enough. Try a little more risk and a little less rationalisation. You might just wuv what you come up with.

Sadly, no. I am the great and powerful Comp-U-Comp! COWER BEFORE ME!

Do you remember Dilbert? The TV show?

Clocktease.

There is no evidence for ghosts, so why believe them? Even a little bit of information, be it on how the human mind searches for explanations or how shutter speeds and apertures on camera work leaves no question about their existence.

What you mean is, you have not seen any evidence so you don't believe it. Fine good on you, you stick to your guns, I admire you for it. I have seen such evidence though and I do believe.

no shit ghosts don't exist

step 1: watch a human body decompose completely
step 2: did it turn into a ghost, or just break down into minerals as expected?
That doesn't explain what the phenomena attributed to ghosts is, only eliminates one possibility. If you want to go through every possibility you'll be here a while.
If you liek a mudkip, does it liek you back?

http://gallery.bulbagarden.net/albums/userpics/10064/Mudkip.jpg

http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/louisville/archives/Casper-Friendly-Ghost.jpg

:D
I'm Jasper, the Douchebag Ghost!
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/i/u/yAMbtC9T.jpg

Robot Chicken will never allow me to think of Casper the same way again.

Nooo! We do exist, I tell you!

*poof*

Ah, carp!

What you mean is, you have not seen any evidence so you don't believe it. Fine good on you, you stick to your guns, I admire you for it. I have seen such evidence though and I do believe.

And this "evidence", what was it?

And this "evidence", what was it?

Seeing them with me very own eyes.

I have come to the realization that all "ghosts" are fake. The little "energy orbs" you see on the camara or video? Close-up dust. Sounds of "help me"? Just our mind trying to hear somthing, the power of suggestion or something like that. Does anyone want to share their opinon? What? Everyone hates me so their not posting?:(

Ghosts are fake. I am 99.9% certain of this. The 0.01% means I am open to being proved wrong. I would highly reccoment 'Seance' by Derren Brown for anyone who wishes to explore the kind of tricks that can be played on someone in order to make them believe they are communing with the dead.

If anyone puts up the argument "Well I have seen them and used my own senses and all that" I will say 2 words THe Matrix! But with all seriousness, every one of our senses can be fooled. If they couldn't be, then belief in ghosts would have never been so popular. That being said, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with my arguments, and I am NOT a conservative. I'm a libertarian.

If anyone puts up the argument "Well I have seen them and used my own senses and all that" I will say 2 words THe Matrix! But with all seriousness, every one of our senses can be fooled. If they couldn't be, then belief in ghosts would have never been so popular. That being said, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with my arguments, and I am NOT a conservative. I'm a libertarian.

I am the ghost of posters past! Wait, it is still to early in the year for that.

Discontent!! GRR GRR ANGER AT OP!!

If anyone puts up the argument "Well I have seen them and used my own senses and all that" I will say 2 words THe Matrix! But with all seriousness, every one of our senses can be fooled. If they couldn't be, then belief in ghosts would have never been so popular. That being said, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with my arguments, and I am NOT a conservative. I'm a libertarian.
You have yet to prove your opening premise. :p

Seeing them with me very own eyes.

Would that be considered second base? If so, i've been to third, almost home.

If anyone puts up the argument "Well I have seen them and used my own senses and all that" I will say 2 words THe Matrix!

I would have picked "René Descartes" personally but each to his own I guess.

I think Butter's father summed it up best.





Dad: Now, Butters, there's no such thing as ghosts.

Butters: But I saw him! Just as plain as I'm seein' you right now!

Dad: Butters, these things happen all the time. You've got a very active little brain and your mind was just playing tricks on you.

Butters: Ruh, really?

Dad: Yeess.

Butters: So... so it was just... it was... just my ima... magination then?

Dad:That's right. There's no reason to be afraid of things that aren't real. There's plenty of real things to be scared of. Like super-AIDS.

Butters: Huh s-s-super-AIDS?

Dad: That's right. A new form of AIDS which is resistant to drugs. Just one teaspoon of super-AIDS in your butt and you're dead in three years.

Butters: AAAH! [drops his flashlight] Oh Jesus.

Dad: So now you feel better? Ghosts don't exist and there's nothing to be afraid of. Except the super-AIDS.

Seeing them with me very own eyes.

Yeah, but where were you? What did it look/sound like? Was anybody else there? What did they see? What time of the day or night was it? How long did it last?

When I see a ghost during the day when sober I'll be satisfied. Until then, no dice.