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What just happened? The Democrats voted yes on the $50 Billon war spending bill and the Republicans voted no???? I'm sure I'm missing something here, so if someone could clear this up for me, that would be great.

Democrats = Diet Republicans

The $50 billion included a requirement that troop drawdowns begin. Hence, the Republicans voted no and the Dems voted yes. Stupid, 'pubs didn't realize that that is the only bill they're gonna get before January, though.

*hopes that both sides screw this up*

Because Democrats are a weak political party, they are often bullied into going against their populations wishes and represent the Republicans side even more venomously then the Republicans that bullied them into doing it. The fact of the matter is, simply, that the Democrat party is a sick joke and the punchline is comprised of people who are deluded into thinking things will "finally change" when the Democrats take power.

O! Hai! What's the Democratic Senate? You voted 404 for to 6 against to pass HR Bill 1955 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=110-h20071023-31&bill=h110-1955). But. But. But. I thought you were for the peoples rights!? To organize and to dissent as any citizen paying attention ought to do. Oh. It's only for the terrorists. Well that makes sense. Who do you consider a terrorist? Al Queda? Ok. Hezbollah? Ok. Code Pink and Women In Black!? Really? But that doesn't make any sense. They are only dissenting against this illegal war and the slaughter of our innocent civilians and the killing of our soldiers needlessly for a slew of admitted bullshit reasons. God, Democrats, when will you ever stand up for what is right? Call me crazy for being a constitutionalist, but the right to assembly and habeus corpus and the luxury for being NOT found guilty by association is important for any democracy. Oh... neo-liberalism squelches democracy? (http://groups.google.com/group/Palestinian-Peace-Coalition/browse_thread/thread/59d9f5be9beecb3) Well.... um.... why are you for it then. Oh! Oh no! Come on! Please don't send me to a Haliburton camp (http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/haliburton-concentration-camps)! I'll be good! I just wanted to know! Oh no! Oh no!

In short. The Democrats are a joke and for the same things as the Repubicans. And a lot of people fail to make that correlation.

*hopes that both sides screw this up*

Why? So our nation is hurt more by this horrible war?

Anyone ready to remember the... -checks calendar- 15th of November? Britain can keep their 5th. We'll use this day to have our own little fireworks with Congress. :)

Because Democrats are a weak political party, they are often bullied into going against their populations wishes and represent the Republicans side even more venomously then the Republicans that bullied them into doing it. The fact of the matter is, simply, that the Democrat party is a sick joke and the punchline is comprised of people who are deluded into thinking things will "finally change" when the Democrats take power.

O! Hai! What's the Democratic Senate? You voted 404 for to 6 against to pass HR Bill 1955 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=110-h20071023-31&bill=h110-1955). But. But. But. I thought you were for the peoples rights!? To organize and to dissent as any citizen paying attention ought to do. Oh. It's only for the terrorists. Well that makes sense. Who do you consider a terrorist? Al Queda? Ok. Hezbollah? Ok. Code Pink and Women In Black!? Really? But that doesn't make any sense. They are only dissenting against this illegal war and the slaughter of our innocent civilians and the killing of our soldiers needlessly for a slew of admitted bullshit reasons. God, Democrats, when will you ever stand up for what is right? Call me crazy for being a constitutionalist, but the right to assembly and habeus corpus and the luxury for being NOT found guilty by association is important for any democracy. Oh... neo-liberalism squelches democracy? (http://groups.google.com/group/Palestinian-Peace-Coalition/browse_thread/thread/59d9f5be9beecb3) Well.... um.... why are you for it then. Oh! Oh no! Come on! Please don't send me to a Haliburton camp (http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/haliburton-concentration-camps)! I'll be good! I just wanted to know! Oh no! Oh no!

In short. The Democrats are a joke and for the same things as the Repubicans. And a lot of people fail to make that correlation.

*applauds*

Why? So our nation is hurt more by this horrible war?

The Democrats and Republican seem to be doing a fine job of that by themselves, but as for me, well, the more they screw up and screw over the American population, the more the American population will get fed up with it, and the chances that Libertarians will gain serious seats in both the House and Senate will go up.

*applauds*

*bows*

Democrats = Diet Republicans

No, no. Get it right. Republi-lites.

The Democrats and Republican seem to be doing a fine job of that by themselves, but as for me, well, the more they screw up and screw over the American population, the more the American population will get fed up with it, and the chances that Libertarians will gain serious seats in both the House and Senate will go up.

If the Libernutcases win so much as a seat in the Senate, I'm leaving. We don't need madmen and anarchists in our government.

I hope the Dems succede in stuffing this bill down the throat of the Pretzlenit nice and strong.

If the Libernutcases win so much as a seat in the Senate, I'm leaving.

Won't happen. For better or worse, we're stuck between choosing Bowl of Shit A (Republicans) and Bowl of Shit B (Democrats). They may have a very slightly different smell, but both are shit.

If the Libernutcases win so much as a seat in the Senate, I'm leaving. We don't need madmen and anarchists in our government.

As opposed too...petty future-bankrupting populists, greedy scumbags who don't give a shit about anybody but pleasing their financial backers, warmongering chickehawks that treat geopolitics like a gigantic Risk game and Constitution-trampling big-government douchebags who are willing to shove the government in to every aspect of our lives, freedom be damned?

Shit, anarchists and madmen seem like a walk in the park compared to the current open sewer on the Potomac. It couldn't really get much worse if a few madmen end up in office.

As opposed too...petty future-bankrupting populists, greedy scumbags who don't give a shit about anybody but pleasing their financial backers, warmongering chickehawks that treat geopolitics like a gigantic Risk game and Constitution-trampling big-government douchebags who are willing to shove the government in to every aspect of our lives, freedom be damned?

Shit, anarchists and madmen seem like a walk in the park compared to the current open sewer on the Potomac. It couldn't really get much worse if a few madmen end up in office.

*applauds*

As opposed too...petty future-bankrupting populists, greedy scumbags who don't give a shit about anybody but pleasing their financial backers, warmongering chickehawks that treat geopolitics like a gigantic Risk game and Constitution-trampling big-government douchebags who are willing to shove the government in to every aspect of our lives, freedom be damned?

Shit, anarchists and madmen seem like a walk in the park compared to the current open sewer on the Potomac. It couldn't really get much worse if a few madmen end up in office.

Sometimes a little insanity helps. :)

As opposed too...petty future-bankrupting populists, greedy scumbags who don't give a shit about anybody but pleasing their financial backers, warmongering chickehawks that treat geopolitics like a gigantic Risk game and Constitution-trampling big-government douchebags who are willing to shove the government in to every aspect of our lives, freedom be damned?

Shit, anarchists and madmen seem like a walk in the park compared to the current open sewer on the Potomac. It couldn't really get much worse if a few madmen end up in office.

Politics is a sewer. Welcome to reality. Live with it or die because you can't. The Libernutters would do the same thing in just a few years. I'd rather have the correct, but disgusting bastards I know than the insane and disgusting bastards I don't.

Libertarians don't stand for freedom, though. They just talk about it. I've begun to realize the only freedom they value is the freedom to carry out opression without the help of the state. It's a broken dream, one that has no value any more. It's a way to be a Conservative without feeling bad. It's okay to limit the federal judiciary, even when civil rights are thus trampled upon. It's alright to let employers discriminate against employees. It's alright to promote hate and segregation by innaction. Liberalize every market! Competing fire departments! So what if the poor people burn! We have OUR own! Disengage from the world! Sure, innaction allowed WWII to become the brutal mess it was. That's fine! More fighting, boys!

Thanks, but I'll stick to progress, not fake progress hiding the barbs of different fiddle, same shitty song.

Sometimes a little insanity helps. :)

LG for President!

LG for President!


Lunatic Goofballs - "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, mud and tacos."

Politics is a sewer. Welcome to reality. Live with it or die because you can't. The Libernutters would do the same thing in just a few years. I'd rather have the correct, but disgusting bastards I know than the insane and disgusting bastards I don't.

Libertarians don't stand for freedom, though. They just talk about it. I've begun to realize the only freedom they value is the freedom to carry out opression without the help of the state. It's a broken dream, one that has no value any more. It's a way to be a Conservative without feeling bad. It's okay to limit the federal judiciary, even when civil rights are thus trampled upon. It's alright to let employers discriminate against employees. It's alright to promote hate and segregation by innaction. Liberalize every market! Competing fire departments! So what if the poor people burn! We have OUR own! Disengage from the world! Sure, innaction allowed WWII to become the brutal mess it was. That's fine! More fighting, boys!

Thanks, but I'll stick to progress, not fake progress hiding the barbs of different fiddle, same shitty song.

Oh, I would love it if the Libertarians achieved a congressional presence, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the Libertarians. I would dance just as merrily of the Green Party or any other reasonably savory political party broke into power. I have great dislike for our current two-party dynamic and i think that three or more parties, none of which possessing a sole majority, would serve the interests of the American People much more stably.

LG for President!

I'd be the first standing President seen naked in public since John Quincy Adams. :)

Politics is a sewer. Welcome to reality. Live with it or die because you can't. The Libernutters would do the same thing in just a few years. I'd rather have the correct, but disgusting bastards I know than the insane and disgusting bastards I don't.

Yeah, but like anything, the more you break them up, the weaker they are. I'd rather a 30-30-30, hell even a 45-45-10, as opposed to the crap we have now. Really, though, that could be anybody; libertarians just happen to be the least damaging third-party option. The entire goal is to have Congress and the President so completely weakened that they can't do any more damage to our country.

Libertarians don't stand for freedom, though. They just talk about it. I've begun to realize the only freedom they value is the freedom to carry out opression without the help of the state. It's a broken dream, one that has no value any more. It's a way to be a Conservative without feeling bad. It's okay to limit the federal judiciary, even when civil rights are thus trampled upon. It's alright to let employers discriminate against employees. It's alright to promote hate and segregation by innaction. Liberalize every market! Competing fire departments! So what if the poor people burn! We have OUR own! Disengage from the world! Sure, innaction allowed WWII to become the brutal mess it was. That's fine! More fighting, boys!

Hardcore an-cap libertarianism is pretty unrealistic and damagin, I'd have to agree, but the basic ideas of a small central government that exists first and foremost to protect civil rights and the democratic process isn't. Problem is, that kind of common sense is long gone; neither the Republicans nor the Democrats could really care less about it and it shows more and more, especially so now that the Democrats are actually in a position to enact their policies.

Thanks, but I'll stick to progress, not fake progress hiding the barbs of different fiddle, same shitty song.

Well, if you're looking for progress, you're sure as hell not going to find it in the people we have now. There are no progressive leaders whatsoever in the US government at this time. About the only time these scumbags make progress is when they're forced to compromise; other than that, it's going to be nothing else but another damaging piece of legislation.

Oh, I would love it if the Libertarians achieved a congressional presence, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the Libertarians. I would dance just as merrily of the Green Party or any other reasonably savory political party broke into power. I have great dislike for our current two-party dynamic and i think that three or more parties, none of which possessing a sole majority, would serve the interests of the American People much more stably.

Don't you understand? There's no such thing. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Politics is a cynical game of power, selective lies, and selective manipulation.

I'd be the first standing President seen naked in public since John Quincy Adams. :)

Y'know what, screw elections...

*stages coup, puts LG in power*

Don't you understand? There's no such thing. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Politics is a cynical game of power, selective lies, and selective manipulation.

Maybe we should take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. :p

As opposed too...petty future-bankrupting populists, greedy scumbags who don't give a shit about anybody but pleasing their financial backers, warmongering chickehawks that treat geopolitics like a gigantic Risk game and Constitution-trampling big-government douchebags who are willing to shove the government in to every aspect of our lives, freedom be damned?

Shit, anarchists and madmen seem like a walk in the park compared to the current open sewer on the Potomac. It couldn't really get much worse if a few madmen end up in office.

But ... that "it couldn't make matters worse" argument is why functionally insane leaders ... like Hitler or Pol Pot ... don't just get into an office, but rise rapidly once in.

Do you really want to find out if things could be worse ?

But ... that "it couldn't make matters worse" argument is why functionally insane leaders ... like Hitler or Pol Pot ... don't just get into an office, but rise rapidly once in.

Do you really want to find out if things could be worse ?

You guys need a charismatic nutter ... one with a policy perhaps a bit like "If elected I will personally walk into the Nevada desert and nuke myself from space!"

Hint, hint ...

You guys need a charismatic nutter ... one with a policy perhaps a bit like "If elected I will personally walk into the Nevada desert and nuke myself from space!"

Hint, hint ...

The Nevada Desert? Bah! No audience! I need a forum for my nuttiness!

If elected, I will personally organize an intramural mud rugby league among world leaders. :)

The Nevada Desert? Bah! No audience! I need a forum for my nuttiness!

If elected, I will personally organize an intramural mud rugby league among world leaders. :)

Dude, you're in power already. I launched a coup.

The Nevada Desert? Bah! No audience! I need a forum for my nuttiness!

If elected, I will personally organize an intramural mud rugby league among world leaders. :)

No tacos? Fie!

No tacos? Fie!

I shouldn't have to mention Tacos. My very first post ever on NationStates was on the United Nations forum attempting to create a Taco Free Trade Agreement.

My stance on tacos is long established. :)

I shouldn't have to mention Tacos. My very first post ever on NationStates was on the United Nations forum attempting to create a Taco Free Trade Agreement.

My stance on tacos is long established. :)

Be that as it may, your stance on mud is well known as well. You'll never persuade the hygeniests to support your cause.

Anyone ready to remember the... -checks calendar- 15th of November? Britain can keep their 5th. We'll use this day to have our own little fireworks with Congress. :)

The Ides of November!
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To all the democrat/republican haters out there:

There are those two parties for a reason. That reason is that they enjoy political support.

Libertarians are NOT in power for a reason, too libertarians do not, practically speaking, want what America wants.

See, there's this thing called democracy...

See, there's this thing called democracy...

Which is overrated.

Which is overrated.

That's nice.

That has absolutely no relevance to my post, since I was addressing the people who want a strong 3rd party of office--which implicitly demands democracy as our baseline, since without democracy there is no office for the 3rd party to get elected to.

But yeah, that's nice. Way to express.

That's nice.

That has absolutely no relevance to my post, since I was addressing the people who want a strong 3rd party of office--which implicitly demands democracy as our baseline, since without democracy there is no office for the 3rd party to get elected to.

But yeah, that's nice. Way to express.

Just sayin'.

The main flaws with democracy are:

A) It's tyranny by majority;
B) Leaders are elected not on the basis of merit, but on the basis of popularity
C) The vast majority of people are woefully ignorant
D) It too often results in partisan politics and bickering instead of addressing real issues
E) Politicians will do literally anything to get elected

So what, precisely, do you propose and why?

Sidenote: I would normally try to keep the thread on track, but since Kinda Sensible People nailed the answer in post #3...

So what, precisely, do you propose and why?

Sidenote: I would normally try to keep the thread on track, but since Kinda Sensible People nailed the answer in post #3...

Aptitude tests so that only those demonstrably competent of the political process can vote. Why, for example, should a 14-year-old who knows the workings of the constitution extensively be unallowed to vote, but an 18-year-old high school dropout who can't locate the U.S. on a map be allowed to? I think a basic political literacy test, to determine how competent the person is (it would not test their political views, merely their knowledge of politics, i.e. the difference between different styles of government, how the legislature works, etc.). Or even better, have a lower house indirectly elected by state/provincial governments and an upper house appointed by the head of state, who would be a monarch. But, fortunately for us, I'm in the minority, and my idea will never happen. :p