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Clinton aides seems to have planted at least one question during her tour of Iowa.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/plants.html

I was going to make a thread titled "Meet Mrs. FEMA" but I suck at life.

What?!
She's using deceptive, unethical means to further political goals?
Who does she think she is, a Bush appointee?

Clinton aides seems to have planted at least one question during her tour of Iowa.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/plants.html

A Presidential candidate is using underhanded and sneaky technique to gain a lead in the race, no really? Shocking!

This shouldn't even be a major issue, but thanks to corporate-driven idiotic reporting by CNN, the New York Times, FOX, and others, it's made into a national issue. I hate major media.

This shouldn't even be a major issue, but thanks to corporate-driven idiotic reporting by CNN, the New York Times, FOX, and others, it's made into a national issue. I hate major media.
Fuck you, I'm a web-reporter! And I didn't comment or anything on this. I'm not saying anything about Clinton or her campaign or anything, just that it happened.

Fuck you, I'm a web-reporter! And I didn't comment or anything on this. I'm not saying anything about Clinton or her campaign or anything, just that it happened.

Hmm...is it odd that the attention this got is from tradtionally conservative agencies like Fox?

Or...is this just par for the course for politicians, and the Republicans know that getting one of thier own into office will be next to impossible becuase of the failed administartion we now have, so they have to use rediculous claims like this to attempt to sway public opinion?

Yah...this is GREAT reporting...

Fuck you, I'm a web-reporter! And I didn't comment or anything on this. I'm not saying anything about Clinton or her campaign or anything, just that it happened.

Deep, cleansing breath in, and hold...2...3...and out. Good. Are we calm now?

Don't take every comment as an attack. You'll never survive here.

Or...is this just par for the course for politicians, and the Republicans know that getting one of thier own into office will be next to impossible becuase of the failed administartion we now have, so they have to use rediculos claims like this to attempt to sway public opinion?

Surely you're not insinuating that Republicans would pass up a chance to smear an opponent if they did have a snowball's chance in hell... ?

A Presidential candidate is using underhanded and sneaky technique to gain a lead in the race, no really? Shocking!

:eek:

Surely you're not insinuating that Republicans would pass up a chance to smear an opponent if they did have a snowball's chance in hell... ?

No, Im saying that a politician of any affiliation will attack even one on thier own side like a Great Dane attacking a rawhide bone.

In this case, its a lame attempt by conservative news agencies to take a stab at the frontrunner.

It is common, but I do think that someone getting caught doing it so poorly is a good opportunity to call everyone on the practice. Yeah, she's a sacrificial lamb in this that she's taking the brunt of what essentially a 'collective sin,' but it does deserve to be news.

If we become complacent with this kind of thing we sort of surrender to the nonsense.

Ultimately it will have little effect on her numbers, those who already hate her will add that to the list, those that like her will make excuses or ignore it. But the practice itself certainly deserves to do some withering in the light.

What????

Next you are going to try and tell me the shrub staged interviews with Soldiers and FEMA employees?

What????

Next you are going to try and tell me the shrub staged interviews with Soldiers and FEMA employees?

One of the things that really really irritated me during the Bush terms has been his defenders tendency every time Bush was caught doing something despicable for them to point to something someone else did and be all, "But but...Billy did x so it's all okay..."

I'd hate to see that tendency transfered.

The point would remain valid only to illustrate how common the practice is and that we should call it out.

She is a politician. Think about that for a moment.

One of the things that really really irritated me during the Bush terms has been his defenders tendency every time Bush was caught doing something despicable for them to point to something someone else did and be all, "But but...Billy did x so it's all okay..."

I'd hate to see that tendency transfered.

The point would remain valid only to illustrate how common the practice is and that we should call it out.

Agreed.

Maybe if I'd said "Fuck you, I'm a dragon" more people would have got it. Anyway, from what I understand, the original question was about energy policy and that it wasn't asked because Clinton didn't feel familiar enough with that issue or something along those lines. An energy question seems perfectly legit to me and I would have looked forward to the answer. When a presidential candidate can't answer tough questions they probably won't be capable of making the tough calls and don't, in my mind, deserve the position they seek. That goes double for Republicans and Libertarians, I hold them to a higher standard. Except when they eat babies.

Hillary could be the biggest mistake the Democrats have made since McGovern. Obama needs to catch up fast!

Hillary could be the biggest mistake the Democrats have made since McGovern. Obama needs to catch up fast!
I hate to burst your bubble but it ain't called the White House just for the paint job.

Pretty fucking slimy, but what else do you expect from Hillary?

Pretty fucking slimy, but what else do you expect from Hillary?

Well at least she (and the Democratic Candidates) are putting out policy proposals, all the GOP are doing is random meaningless soundbytes (except Paul), for an example of this: See any GOP candidates debate.

Pretty fucking slimy, but what else do you expect from Hillary?

Do you actually think that any of the candidates in any party are above this kind of thing?

You think slimy political manuevers are only a Democrat thing?

Do you actually think that any of the candidates in any party are above this kind of thing?

You think slimy political manuevers are only a Democrat thing?

Jeesus H. Frog, 2 people in a row accusing me of being anti-Democrat. Let me maket this clearer than glass: Read my signature. I am a committed, Yellow Dog Democrat from a family of unionists and intellectuals. I am a blogosphere progressive.

I beleive that Hillary Clinton is a paranoid control freak deeply scarred by her time as First Lady and the unforgivable and false assault on her by the Right Wing, and that this program is part of her very paranoid, control freak style of campaign management. I do not beleive that either Barack Obama or John Edwards (or, for that matter, Dennis Kucinich) engage in this behavior. I am fairly certain that Chris Dodd and Joe Biden do not. Mike Gravel doesn't have enough supporters to plant questions, so the question is moot. I hope that this helps to open the eyes of my fellow Democrats to the fact that Hillary Clinton is not fit to become our party's nominee, and that we need to have change we can beleive in, not just change as a slogan for an establishment, by the textbook campaign.

I beleive that Hillary Clinton is a paranoid control freak deeply scarred by her time as First Lady and the unforgivable and false assault on her by the Right Wing, and that this program is part of her very paranoid, control freak style of campaign management.I do think she's been scarred by the unfair attacks from the Right, but I don't this has anything to do with a control mania. Quite the contrary: this was clumsiness on the part of her staff.

I do not beleive that either Barack Obama or John Edwards (or, for that matter, Dennis Kucinich) engage in this behavior. I am fairly certain that Chris Dodd and Joe Biden do not.Well, you would be wrong. Usually, they are just much smoother about it: they suggest questions to strong supporters, who will be happy enough to play along. They don't just grab some random woman and say, "Here, read this."

It's routine. The trick is not getting caught, because Americans still like to pretend that our politics is something more principled than what it is.

It is common, but I do think that someone getting caught doing it so poorly is a good opportunity to call everyone on the practice. Yeah, she's a sacrificial lamb in this that she's taking the brunt of what essentially a 'collective sin,' but it does deserve to be news.

If we become complacent with this kind of thing we sort of surrender to the nonsense.

Ultimately it will have little effect on her numbers, those who already hate her will add that to the list, those that like her will make excuses or ignore it. But the practice itself certainly deserves to do some withering in the light.

I agree entirely.

Unfortunately this won't hurt the harpy's chances.

One of the things that really really irritated me during the Bush terms has been his defenders tendency every time Bush was caught doing something despicable for them to point to something someone else did and be all, "But but...Billy did x so it's all okay..."

I'd hate to see that tendency transfered.

The point would remain valid only to illustrate how common the practice is and that we should call it out.

Oh I agree and I am not suggesting it's ok.

Usually when these things are raised the outrage is usually directed at the one individual rather then the practice as a whole.

Oh I agree and I am not suggesting it's ok.

Usually when these things are raised the outrage is usually directed at the one individual rather then the practice as a whole.

The problem is that the Bush administration and its appologists have muddied the water so much that "so and so did it" has come to mean, tacitly, "so it's okay," so we have to be clear that like behavior is just as bad, not an excuse.