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So he wants a new toy.
Hes crazy.. rigth?

maybe he is.. but he is also the son of a dictator (who can use the Oil billions to please the Royal family asses.. every single desire)... allowing him to buy this kind of toy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/12/wsaudi112.xml

Oh well. If they want to waste their money on toys instead of diversifying their income...

Yay I'll do this for my morality paper, I'll say it's a waste of recourses that would be better used for the good of the country and common folk.

Ok now I have 30 min to write it

One would almost hope it crashes in the Andes mountains and after all the food runs out, Prince Rich Bastard discovers that all the money in the world doesn't matter when people start to imagine that rich people are probably more tender.

Almost. ;)

An airplane would be a shitty flying palace, no style.

An airplane would be a shitty flying palace, no style.

Have any other ideas for a flying palace?

Have any other ideas for a flying palace?

I'm thinking a literal flying palace floated by hundreds of vertical lift engines.

Have any other ideas for a flying palace?

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/16/deathstar.jpg

:)

All of you are assuming that this is all about decadence, maybe Prince Al-Waleed is just really into symbolism: As long as oil flows plentifully, the royal family's palace can continue to remain in the air, but it will be all for nothing when their wells dry up.

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/16/deathstar.jpg

:)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Doctor_Who_-_Valiant.jpg

*shrugs* I think one of the old Tupolev TU-144's with a refitted cabin would be a better way to travel. Speed and grace, much more beautiful than the A380. It's a shame they don't make parts for Concorde anymore. Taking one of those out of retirement and making it into a palace would be a true way to awe the world. Being the only person who could still cross the Atlantic in three hours in comfort? Tis the only way to fly....

All of you are assuming that this is all about decadence...Maybe the King of Spain can borrow it.. to fly it over Latin America.. and scream -from above- "Shut-the-fuck-up" to his vassal/slave peasants. :D

Have any other ideas for a flying palace?

They'd need lots and lots of balloons....and thousands of tiny little ropes to lasso around pigeons. o.o

Maybe the King of Spain can borrow it.. to fly it over Latin America.. and scream -from above- "Shut-the-fuck-up" to his vassal/slave peasants. :D

*sigh*

There's no point trying to be logical about this with you, is there?

*sigh*

There's no point trying to be logical about this with you, is there?you are too Sensible to "get logical" with me ...Kinda ;)

Grow a skin.. and call me back. :fluffle:

I thought the Kingdom of Zeal was Persian, not Saudi! :p

God this guy needs to have all of his money taken away.

I thought the Kingdom of Zeal was Persian, not Saudi! :p

God this guy needs to have all of his money taken away.

I thought it was in 12000 B.C.

God this guy needs to have all of his money taken away.I -100%- agree.

you are too Sensible to "get logical" with me ...Kinda ;)

Grow a skin.. and call me back. :fluffle:

But I don't like skin. It's so flaky and it gets torn and smelly so easily. Hell, you have to wash it every day, just to keep it clean enough! Who wants to do that?

On a completely different subject: You do realize that the whole world has been waiting for SOMEONE to tell Chavez to shut the fuck up now for a long time, right?

I thought it was in 12000 B.C.

Yes, it was, and on another planet.

But the names of the cities were taken from Persian names(so the Chrono Compendium suspects, anyway) and thus I like to call it Persian. It fits the architecture too.

You do realize that the whole world has been waiting for SOMEONE to tell Chavez to shut the fuck up now for a long time, right?He has been told to shut up a few times, and -like I said- he has been called a Fascist..
Chavez is like me -in the sense that- if you ask him to shut up, he will NOT.. actually he most likely will turn on the heat.
Zapatero knew that, JuanCharles did too.. but he lost his cool. Sometimes Royals are used to getting away with things.

Chavez does not recognize any special privilege for Mr JuanCharles to make him shut up.. and he did NOT Shut-up, You can see it for yourself If you take a look at the 3 youtubes I posted in page 3. Its JeanCharles who left the the stage.. and further erred diplomatically later as he was a no show later for the traditional-Summit-ceremony Chilean anthem. (I assume the Spanish aides where not able to convince the crybaby to dry his tears and come back for the Summit ceremony)
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But I don't like skin. It's so flaky and it gets torn and smelly so easily. Hell, you have to wash it every day, just to keep it clean enough! Who wants to do that?A hot bath with bubbles and oils and stuff.. It can be relaxing.

Saudi Prince wants a Flying Palace

who wouldn't? Although I have to admit I'd settle for a normal palace, if I have too.

who wouldn't? Although I have to admit I'd settle for a normal palace, if I have too.

You'd be completely stuck when the zombie invasion begins, though. Flying palaces offer much more safety. This begs the question, however: Do the Saudis know something we don't? :eek:

You'd be completely stuck when the zombie invasion begins, though. Flying palaces offer much more safety. This begs the question, however: Do the Saudis know something we don't? :eek:

good question. I think a palace on an island would be better than a flying palace for that purpose though. An airplane has to land after a while, on your island you could grow crops and survive for ages while escaping the zombie invasion...

Yes, it was, and on another planet.I remember something about some magic flying carpets.. or something like that..

:D

He has been told to shut up a few times, and -like I said- he has been called a Fascist..
Chavez is like me -in the sense that- if you ask him to shut up, he will NOT.. actually he most likely will turn on the heat.
Zapatero knew that, JuanCharles did too.. but he lost his cool. Sometimes Royals are used to getting away with things.

It's a pity that he won't. No one gives a shit about Chavez, except insofar as we are concerned that he is undermining Venezualen (sp?) Democracy. He's just Mahmoud Ahmedinijad, but without the relevance.

Chavez does not recognize any special privilege for Mr JuanCharles to make him shut up.. and he did NOT Shut-up, You can see it for yourself If you take a look at the 3 youtubes I posted in page 3. Its JeanCharles who left the the stage.. and further erred diplomatically later as he was a no show later for the traditional-Summit-ceremony Chilean anthem. (I assume the Spanish aides where not able to convince the crybaby to dry his tears and come back for the Summit ceremony)

I don't blame him. I wouldn't come back either, for fear of having to listen to Chavez talk for another minute. The man is like the annoying SDS kid who always sits right outside the SUB and tells everyone how evil they are for supporting the status quo, and not seeking the socialist alternative, but drives a $20,000 car and has his college payed for entirely by mommy and daddy (I'm sure everyone at a college knows one dick like this). That is to say, he's an obnoxious hypocrite. Chavez is the troll of modern international relations, and unfortunately, there are no mods to ban him.
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A hot bath with bubbles and oils and stuff.. It can be relaxing.

As an American, I find the idea of bathing in oil quite appealing. How many barrels do you think it would take? They are kind of expensive these days.

actually, according to the zombie survival guide, zombies are able to walk underwater, so you're technically not safe on an island either. Oil Platforms are downright best.
You also don't have to survive for years, just long enough to let the zombies die off, maybe 4 or 5 months.

I don't blame him. I wouldn't come back either..He is just a puss. :gundge:
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Chavez.. unfortunately, there are no mods to ban him.yes there is, its called "The Venezuelan people", if they want to ban him, all they need to do is vote -like your sig- for the other candidate. ;)

Do the Saudis know something we don't? :eek:in a way, they know the price of oil in advance.. as they can pick when to increase production

He is just a puss. :gundge:

When a 3-year-old is tantruming and misbehaving, it is best to ensure that they have no means of hurting themselves, and then to ignore them until they understand that they will not get their way.

yes there is its called "The Venezuelan people", all they need to do is vote -like your sig- for the other candidate.

Venezuela is an illiberal psuedo-democracy quickly changing into a corpratist/coercive authoritarian state. I rather doubt that the Venezuelan People could remove Chavez at all.

actually, according to the zombie survival guide, zombies are able to walk underwater, so you're technically not safe on an island either. Oil Platforms are downright best.
You also don't have to survive for years, just long enough to let the zombies die off, maybe 4 or 5 months.

During a storm, though, zombies could easily be carried onto the platform by waves, which would be my primary concern. And what makes you think the zombies die off after 4-5 months? Your zombies, good sir, are different than my zombies! (the underwater walking thing is the same, though)

When a 3-year-old is tantruming and misbehaving, it is best to ensure that they have no means of hurting themselves, and then to ignore them until they understand that they will not get their way.the misbehaving King did not get his way, as President Chavez did not shut up.
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I rather doubt that the Venezuelan People could remove Chavez at all.:rolleyes:like i said, all they need to do is vote for another candidate, But they wont because they support Chavez.
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Venezuela is an illiberal psuedo-democracy wassup with the word "illiberal" ?

the misbehaving King did not get his way, as President Chavez did not shut up.

You see, Dictator Chavez is the child who tantrums that the whole world does not pay attention to his dictatorship or have any respect for him. The king made the right descision to ignore said tantruming child.


:rolleyes:like i said, all they need to do is vote for another candidate, But they wont because they support Chavez.

And I'm saying you're wrong. Chavez has slowly been undermining Venezualen Democracy. I do not beleive that if they wanted to remove him, they could any more. He is now a dictator.

wassup with the word "illiberal" ?

It means that while the state keeps the trappings of democracy, there is no substantive political competition or reactivity in the state.

During a storm, though, zombies could easily be carried onto the platform by waves, which would be my primary concern. And what makes you think the zombies die off after 4-5 months? Your zombies, good sir, are different than my zombies! (the underwater walking thing is the same, though)

Why, do you have magical zombies? Please tell me you don't have those fast zombies, theyre the worst, I like the nice old fashioned slow zombie.

Why, do you have magical zombies? Please tell me you don't have those fast zombies, theyre the worst, I like the nice old fashioned slow zombie.

Perpetual motion machine zombies...neither magic nor virus specific. =p

Definitely not fast zombies, though. While I like fast zombies, World War Z got me hooked on the slow moving horde zombie type, however you'd think that it would infect other animals, too. I can understand that not all mammals would be affected, but perhaps some other apes? Gorilla zombies! It'd be like a combination between Congo and Resident Evil.

I do not beleive that if they wanted to remove him, they could any more. He is now a dictator.


What on Earth do you base that on?

You want to be able to call him a dictator because it suits your purpose, that's all.


It means that while the state keeps the trappings of democracy, there is no substantive political competition or reactivity in the state.

In your fantasy world. There's plenty of opposition, protesting and the likes in Venezuela. The fact that the main Opposition party willingly chose to "boycott" the election, because it knew it would lose, doesn't mean there are no anti-Chavez voices in the country.

Ask Aelosia whether she's censored as a journalist.

What on Earth do you base that on?

You want to be able to call him a dictator because it suits your purpose, that's all.\

Oh yes, because his repeated "reforms" are most certainly pro-democracy. Ariddia, you shouldn't back authoritarians just because they also happen to be communists. Shame on you.

In your fantasy world. There's plenty of opposition, protesting and the likes in Venezuela. The fact that the main Opposition party willingly chose to "boycott" the election, because it knew it would lose, doesn't mean there are no anti-Chavez voices in the country.

Ask Aelosia whether she's censored as a journalist.

You mean the Anti-Chavez voices that had their protest shut down by the police? Or maybe you're talking about the fact that the press is slowly being coopted by the state run press. Or perhaps you didn't notice electoral disparities in 2004.

And that, my friends, is why we got 9/11. Because the princes spoil themselves rotten and the people don't get anything so they turn to terrorist groups for help.

Chavez does not recognize any special privilege for Mr JuanCharles to make him shut up.. and he did NOT Shut-up,

Which makes him deeply disrespectful, not towards the king, but towards Spain's prime minister.

It was not his turn to speak and he should have held his tongue back. His failure to do so is a thousand times worse than telling him, informally, to shut up.

-was not his turn to speak- His failure to (stop talking) is a thousand times worse than telling him.. to shut up.In your personal opinion..


take a look at these 3 videos I posted on this page (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542929&page=3),and tell me again "is a thousand times worse"

Its your opinion.. take a look at these 3 videos and tell me again "is a thousand times worse"

I looked at them. Twice. And could not believe the childishness in which he constantly kept talking and interrupting the Spanish prime minister. If I had been there, I would have encouraged everyone else to tell him to shut up. In much more explicit terms.

I would even learn Spanish, just to be able to do it :p

I looked at them. Twice. like I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

like I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

As are you.

And I stand by saying that Chavez was being disrespectful to another democratically elected leader - one who had to jump through more hoops to get where he was than Chavez, I might add.

Why on EARTH would he have a PLANE be his palace? Is he completely unaware of the absolute awesomeness that is the solar-powered palacecopter?

Geez...he's gonna hafta refill that thing all the time and pay for stuff...

Who wants to bother with all that when you could collect power from the sun and lightning and have a massive hydroponic greenhouse in the center, growing food and providing an awe-inspiring sky jungle? Seriously, man. This guy needs to think outside the box a little more...

I wouldn't call him crazy, just living the billionaire dream.

Also the Telegraph is wrong calling it the first flying palace. I think that belong to a certain VC-25 Plane (otherwise) known as Air Force One.
That plane has all modern technology and luxuries in the world crammed into it. Also the US Goverment are planning to get a new A380 or 747-8, and cram it with either more expensive gizmoes.
So ain't that also a waste of US Tax money seeing that VC-25, is better than any other Commerical or Private Plane currently in the air or designed to be built.

I wouldn't call him crazy, just living the billionaire dream.

Also the Telegraph is wrong calling it the first flying palace. I think that belong to a certain VC-25 Plane (otherwise) known as Air Force One.
That plane has all modern technology and luxuries in the world crammed into it. Also the US Goverment are planning to get a new A380 or 747-8, and cram it with either more expensive gizmoes.
So ain't that also a waste of US Tax money seeing that VC-25, is better than any other Commerical or Private Plane currently in the air or designed to be built.

Air Force One is an Air Force vehicle's designation whenever the President is aboard. It is not the plane's actual name. Any Air Force aircraft could be Air Force One if he was aboard. The Seaking is Marine One when he's on board. Any Army vehicle is Army One, and Navy is oddly enough Navy One. If he's in a civilian aircraft it's Executive One.

Oh yes, because his repeated "reforms" are most certainly pro-democracy.


Abolishing term limits is by no means undemocratic, as I've already explained. Nor is giving greater devolved power to municipalities, thus making them more independent from the national government.


Ariddia, you shouldn't back authoritarians just because they also happen to be communists. Shame on you.

He isn't authoritarian, and he isn't a communist. He's a democratically elected and democratically re-elected socialist leader who is putting his proposed changes to democratic referendum. If the citizens want to reject his proposals, they are free to reject them. Just as they're free not to vote for him when the next election comes up.

I criticise him when I do disagree with him. But those who criticise everything he does just because it's him, and who call him a "dictator", should be thoroughly ashamed.


You mean the Anti-Chavez voices that had their protest shut down by the police?

Are you talking about that media channel? Kilobugya explained that. Not that I agree with what he did. If you mean public protests in the street, those keep on happening. The sign of a healthy democracy.


Or maybe you're talking about the fact that the press is slowly being coopted by the state run press.

Again, I'll let Aelosia comment on that. She's mostly anti-Chavez, but she's shown herself to be objective and balanced.


Or perhaps you didn't notice electoral disparities in 2004.

If you know something I don't, please do tell. What I do know is that international observers confirmed the latest elections were free and fair.

Abolishing term limits is by no means undemocratic, as I've already explained. Nor is giving greater devolved power to municipalities, thus making them more independent from the national government.

You know as well as I that he is doing it to keep himself in power and has no interest in democracy.

He isn't authoritarian, and he isn't a communist. He's a democratically elected and democratically re-elected socialist leader who is putting his proposed changes to democratic referendum. If the citizens want to reject his proposals, they are free to reject them. Just as they're free not to vote for him when the next election comes up.

Hiding behind illiberal democratic institutions doesn't make them valid. He is an authoritarian who is consolidating media and slowly undermining democratic institutions.

Are you talking about that media channel? Kilobugya explained that. Not that I agree with what he did. If you mean public protests in the street, those keep on happening. The sign of a healthy democracy.

And they keep getting put down. Or do you think Myanmar is a democracy, too. Just like the student's protest last week.

If you know something I don't, please do tell. What I do know is that international observers confirmed the latest elections were free and fair.

Other than the fact that there was a huge disagreement between some organizations, with the Carter Institute saying one thing, and a number of other institutions saying otherwise. Exit Polls showed a 40 POINT disparity between their conclusions and the actual outcome. Opposition members were not allowed to observe the actual computer systems and tallying systems used. It stinks of fraud.