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Hey all. This thread was just started because me and my friend were arguing over what fire-arm manufacturers (sp?) make the best weapons. I said Heckler & Koch because they do make some high quality weapons but my friend seemed to think that the M16 alone somehow made Colt better and it spiraled off in to a huge debate about the two and who was better buy anyways, just wanted to know what you thought.

I think Hecklor & Koch. :sniper::mp5:

Fabrique Nationale.

Of the two you suggested in your... bizarrely limited poll, however, H&K.

But really, though, it's FN.

Well, I only have one firearm at the moment, and it's a Rock River Arms LAR-15 lower with a Del-Ton upper (IIRC, both the upper and lower are actually made by CMT, and distributed through variouos companies like RRA and Del-Ton).

You need another option or two in your poll.

I like Ben & Jerry's, any flavor I don't mind!

where is the "the only good arms manufacturer is a liquidated and dismantled arms manufacturer" poll option?

Well, the M-16 was a pile of crap when they first deployed it. It's taken thirty years to make it into the excellent weapon it is today.

Comparatively, the G-series of weapons has been universally above-average to superb.

But I'd actually vote Steyr. I like the AUG and their Anti-Material Rifle is the cannon to beat.

Super Soaker.

Steyr and FN for the AUG and the P90.

Steyr and FN for the AUG and the P90.

seconded that

Mattel.

I like Ben & Jerry's, any flavor I don't mind!

Super Soaker.

Mattel.

None of these is a firearms manufacturer.

None of these is a firearms manufacturer.

Arguing semantics won't get us anywhere.

None of these is a firearms manufacturer.

Then none of them wanted to give a sensible answer!

Mattel is. They made parts for the original M-16.

Seriously? Sauce?

None of these is a firearms manufacturer.

Mattel is. They made parts for the original M-16.

Whoever manufactured LG's marshmallow gun. That is a thing of beauty.
*wipes tear out of the corner of her eye*

Seriously? Sauce?

I don't have a source, but I think he's actually right. I seem to recall they made the orginal crapulant plastic stocks.

I don't have a source, but I think he's actually right. I seem to recall they made the orginal crapulant plastic stocks.

I dub this to be awesome.

actually, i change my vote. the best fire arm manufacturer is Lynx & Bic.

actually, i change my vote. the best fire arm manufacturer is Lynx & Bic.

Lynx? Now, I know they produce some awful deodorants, but this??? :eek:

exactly, Lynx sprayed on the arm, set alight with a Bic lighter, instant fire arm :D

http://www.chaobell.net/gallery/d/567-2/Q453NXAAE5AGYOEOLVI6EWAQQ2O6RRWF.jpg

Lynx? Now, I know they produce some awful deodorants, but this??? :eek:

exactly, Lynx sprayed on the arm, set alight with a Bic lighter, instant fire arm :D

None of these is a firearms manufacturer.
Mattel.
no they just a very big arms maker,if you had something made by them thrown at you
Whoever manufactured LG's marshmallow gun. That is a thing of beauty.
*wipes tear out of the corner of her eye*

i think he made that himself

Seriously? Sauce?
Tomato Ketchup is preferred, but HP won't go amiss on certain meals.

Ahem...
Beretta?
Izhevsk Mechanical Works?
SIG Arms AG?
Glock?
Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen?
Lorenz?
Johann Nikolaus von Dreyse?

What firearms are we talking about?
Pistols, rifles, sub machine guns, machine guns, recoilless rifles...?

i think he made that himself

He claims his wife gave it to him...

My favorite? Sturm,Ruger and Co. Why? Reliable and Affordible, the working mans gun. Although their line of so-called assault weapons is limited to the Mini-14/30 series, they still have a wide varitity of firearms. Little is written about it, but have designed a SMG.

New poll: favorite antigun, pacifist, liberal piece of crap? the kind my grandchildren will read about in the history books as an extinct species.

New poll: favorite antigun, pacifist, liberal piece of crap? the kind my grandchildren will read about in the history books as an extinct species.

Your puny guns can't protect you from the Liberal Overmind. Quake in terror as we give equal rights to gays! Cry out in horror as you realise that being pro-gun is actually a liberal stance!

He claims his wife gave it to him...

so he say hey mm

New poll: favorite antigun, pacifist, liberal piece of crap? the kind my grandchildren will read about in the history books as an extinct species.

You mean like Bush's rantings about Iran possibly planning to eventually get the same arms he's already got?

Hasbro.

http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/default.cfm?page=nstrike_blasters

I don't have a source, but I think he's actually right. I seem to recall they made the orginal crapulant plastic stocks.

Err... sorry, no. They apparently were made of plastic, but not by Mattel.

http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp

Duh, it’s obviously Blastech Corp.

Best guns this side of Corellia:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3557/hansoloblasterey7.jpg

Remember kids: Han shot first!

My favourite firearm is an arm soaked in gasoline and set on fire with a Mk.I match.

:D


poll... too many options overlooked, like:

Beretta (after all if the US Army and the FBI use Beretta, it can't be too bad)
The Russian Dream Team: Kalashnikov+Dragunov
Steyr
FN
Glock
Sig Sauer
Ceska
Tokarev
...
oh, I forgot
Rheinmetall ;)

Winchester?

http://www.conjay.com/Winchester%20M%201873%20Rifle%20002.jpg

something to effect of "loaded on sunday, and fired all week"

Truly one of the best rifles ever made

Duh, it’s obviously Blastech Corp.

Best guns this side of Corellia:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3557/hansoloblasterey7.jpg

Remember kids: Han shot first!

I see your DL-44 and raise you the E-Web.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/cc/E_web-NEGWT.jpg/411px-E_web-NEGWT.jpg

In real life, FN for the win.

I see your DL-44 and raise you the E-Web.
There are alternatives to fighting...

:p

Sig
Glock 17 and 19.

Winchester?

http://www.conjay.com/Winchester%20M%201873%20Rifle%20002.jpg

something to effect of "loaded on sunday, and fired all week"

Truly one of the best rifles ever made

to be fair, I think that was said about the original Henry rifle, but that rifle was copied by Winchester (who only changed where the tube was loaded at...).

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/Balderdash71964/Henry.jpg

Either one works for me though, gotta love'em both ;)

Hey all. This thread was just started because me and my friend were arguing over what fire-arm manufacturers (sp?) make the best weapons. I said Heckler & Koch because they do make some high quality weapons but my friend seemed to think that the M16 alone somehow made Colt better and it spiraled off in to a huge debate about the two and who was better buy anyways, just wanted to know what you thought.

I think Hecklor & Koch. :sniper::mp5:

IMI.

Your puny guns can't protect you from the Liberal Overmind. Quake in terror as we give equal rights to gays! Cry out in horror as you realise that being pro-gun is actually a liberal stance!

My puny guns will be pryied from my cold, dead hands after i`ve taken as my liberal stormtroopers with me as i can!

I see your DL-44 and raise you the E-Web.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/cc/E_web-NEGWT.jpg/411px-E_web-NEGWT.jpg



Re-raise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqjH5B7BOo

Your puny guns can't protect you from the Liberal Overmind. Quake in terror as we give equal rights to gays! Cry out in horror as you realise that being pro-gun is actually a liberal stance!

Go ahead, give equal rights to gays. I'll gladly take them away with my "puny firearms". And liberals are pro gun like Stephen Harper is pro gay.

Your puny guns can't protect you from the Liberal Overmind. Quake in terror as we give equal rights to gays! Cry out in horror as you realise that being pro-gun is actually a liberal stance!

Oh, stop being mean. Some of us pro-gunners are sensible people. :p

I don't have a favorite because I haven't handled an actual firearm yet. At the moment I'm leaning towards Mikhail Kalishnikov and Izhevsk Mechanical Works because the AK-47 is just that good of a weapon due to its versatility, its quality for the manufacturing cost, and ease of use.

Go ahead, give equal rights to gays. I'll gladly take them away with my "puny firearms". And liberals are pro gun like Stephen Harper is pro gay.

Excuse me. Some of us who happen to favor gay rights also favor owning firearms. I wouldn't push the issue if I were you.

Err... sorry, no. They apparently were made of plastic, but not by Mattel.

http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp

Pity. It was a good story.

Duh, it’s obviously Blastech Corp.

Best guns this side of Corellia:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3557/hansoloblasterey7.jpg

Remember kids: Han shot first!

I think that's just an evolved gun made by Mauser.




http://members.tripod.com/~wwcollectibles/broomhandle.jpg

IMI. They made the Desert Eagle, the Uzi, and the Tavor. All are excellent guns.

John Browning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning)

Mostly for the M2 .50 caliber machine gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun) (especially when mounted on an appropriate weapons platform (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/P-51D_Tika_IV_361st_fg.jpg) at the most critical moment (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg/425px-Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg) of human history)


Some of us who happen to favor gay rights also favor owning firearms


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols

John Browning (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning”)

Mostly for the M2 .50 caliber machine gun (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun”) (especially when mounted on an appropriate weapons platform (“http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/P-51D_Tika_IV_361st_fg.jpg”) at the most critical moment (“http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg/425px-Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg”) of human history)
I think you’ll find season two of Twin Peaks was the most critical moment of human history.

Seriously though, jingoistic hyperbole, much?

I think that's just an evolved gun made by Mauser.
It was made by Blastech a long time before Mauser, in a weapons factory far, far, away.

Kalashnikov

It was made by Blastech a long time before Mauser, in a weapons factory far, far, away.

Wrong. In the future Mauser will go back in time, become hyper-devolved, and turn into BlasTech.

At least according to Alien Exodus....

I dub this to be awesome.
According to this (http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp) it isn't true. Damn...

Seriously though, jingoistic hyperbole, much?


My reference to the united world effort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies) to defeat the forces of fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) (employing the weapon I selected, designed by the man I also selected) was, apparently, not clear enough. Indeed, such unity is definitive proof of the folly of "jingoism." My apologies for being unclear.

Valmet

I think that GE are making the best nuclear devices in the world.

I already bought 3 nukes from them (ok, I sold one old nuke to Iran to have some room).

Since I have nukes, I feel save. No one, have to fuck with me or I nuke the bastard.

And ok ok ok, sometimes, nukes in tha house, it's tricky.
Yesterday my 6 year old son was playing with one of my nukes but I smashed his head against the wall and now he learned not to touch my nukes.

And women! All women want me now, since I have nukes.

No, I can't dream anymore about a world without nukes.

Thanks GE!

Your puny guns can't protect you from the Liberal Overmind. Quake in terror as we give equal rights to gays! Cry out in horror as you realise that being pro-gun is actually a liberal stance!

http://1updevelopment.net/Candy/oh_noes.jpg

Excuse me. Some of us who happen to favor gay rights also favor owning firearms. I wouldn't push the issue if I were you.

Like myself. In fact, I'm a pro-gun socialist, thank you very much.

....

Neither of the two in the poll, give me anything Izmash made (especially if Mikhail Kalashnikov had anything to do with it)

Daisy. Ever since the Red Ryder came out.

Nerf, closely followed by BAE systems and FN.

Re-raise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqjH5B7BOo

I loved that vehicle in Battlefield 1942 DC Final.

John Browning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning)

Mostly for the M2 .50 caliber machine gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun) (especially when mounted on an appropriate weapons platform (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/P-51D_Tika_IV_361st_fg.jpg) at the most critical moment (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg/425px-Naciones_Unidas_3.jpg) of human history)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols

Don't forget that Browning also developed the m1911 pistol. It's easily one of the most customizable pistol designs out there, available in multiple calibers, and is nearing it's centennial.

M16 alone somehow made Colt better

The M16 is an absolute piece of crap, thirty years has made it a passable weapon at best. So of the two choices I would have to say H&K which probably would be my choice anyways, although Barrett certainly ranks up there also

Webley and Scott
Royal Ordance
Ezekiel Baker

The M16 is an absolute piece of crap, thirty years has made it a passable weapon at best.


Please explain why you think this.

I love H&K. They make way cool weapons
The MK-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk23)
The MP5, a classic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5)
Those are my two favorites.

Please explain why you think this.
Primarily because I've used it. The stock cannot stand up to any kind of abuse, and it jams easily.

Primarily because I've used it. The stock cannot stand up to any kind of abuse, and it jams easily.

Maybe the quality is different between the M-16 and the AR-15 then, because my AR-15 hasn't jammed on me yet (I haven't tried to abuse the stock, so I can't comment on that).

Maybe the quality is different between the M-16 and the AR-15 then, because my AR-15 hasn't jammed on me yet (I haven't tried to abuse the stock, so I can't comment on that).
I would guess that you probably clean your rifle on a regular basis and avoid exposing it to harmful contaminates such as mud, sand, etc. A combat rifle on the other hand should be able to perform reliably even when it isn't properly cared for, since the reality of combat is that you aren't always going to have the opportunity to clean your weapon. I also feel that any combat rifle should be built sturdy enough that it can be used as a club if you run out of ammo (and still be usable when you get more). The only two things that I can say in favor of the M-16 is that it is light and that the overall design is ergonomically sound i.e. it's comfortable to fire.

My apologies for being unclear.
Perhaps I too was unclear.

I meant that calling the Second World War and its outcome the most critical moment of human history was both a ludicrous statement and, accompanied by a poster of victorious nations’ flags, a rather garishly patriotic one.

Whoever made the M14.

Probably Fabrique Nationale overall, though.

I meant that calling the Second World War and its outcome the most critical moment of human history was both a ludicrous statement


The war in question killed more people than any other before it, fundamentally changed the power distribution in the international sphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower), marked the end of empires, thus leading to a massive wave of newly independent peoples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization), marked the beginning of a new empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), and ended with the foundation of an organization intended to unite a species across national and cultural barriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations). And, arguably, the efforts to rebuild a destroyed contenent laid the social and political foundations necessary for the rise of the superstate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union).

Perhaps the only other contenders for "most critical" are the Neolithic and Scientific Revolutions. So perhaps my statement was a tad exaggerated. How's "In the top three" instead?


...accompanied by a poster of victorious nations’ flags, a rather garishly patriotic one.


Since the terms "patriotism," "nationalism," and "jingoism" normally refer to rabid support for a single nation/state, I continue to fail to see how any of them accurately describe an international effort to eliminate totalitarian fascism.

Fabrique Nationale.

What he said.

Captain Sergei Mosin and Léon Nagant.

Nerf.

Maybe the quality is different between the M-16 and the AR-15 then, because my AR-15 hasn't jammed on me yet (I haven't tried to abuse the stock, so I can't comment on that).

The quality was damned different. I've used three versions of the M-16 (and fired a couple more, including the original heap of dung) and none of them were as reliable as the AR-15.

That said, I'm quite a fan of the current version and of the M-4 carbine. Very accurate, very controllable, and the reliability issues have mostly been dealt with. Oh, and the M-4has a very solid stock.

In all seriousness, The HK416 is one of the most amazing weapons I have ever seen. The replacement of the direct impingement gas system is an incredible advancement.




Edit: As for the poll.... My heart wants Colt, but my head votes H&K.

Mauser, because my Ka98 is the shit ;)

Go ahead, give equal rights to gays. I'll gladly take them away with my "puny firearms". And liberals are pro gun like Stephen Harper is pro gay.

No bullets can penetrate the mighty Gaydiation Shield.

Kalishnakov.


100,000 child soldiers can't be wrong!

Kalishnakov.


100,000 child soldiers can't be wrong!

You win the thread

I like Accuracy International. Their AS50 is my favourite.

I like Accuracy International. Their AS50 is my favourite.

They make some good stocks too (from what I've heard). If I ever get a Remington M-700, I'd like to get an Accuracy International stock for it.

The war in question killed more people than any other before it, fundamentally changed the power distribution in the international sphere, marked the end of empires, thus leading to a massive wave of newly independent peoplesmarked the beginning of a new empire and ended with the foundation of an organization intended to unite a species across national and cultural barriers. And, arguably, the efforts to rebuild a destroyed contenent laid the social and political foundations necessary for the rise of the superstate
And?

All well and good, I'm not denying that WW2 was an important series of events in world/human history, but I still contend that WW2 wasn't the most critical moment in human history. For a start, WW2 had little effect on a large minority of humanity. As you say yourself:

Perhaps the only other contenders for "most critical" are the Neolithic and Scientific Revolutions. So perhaps my statement was a tad exaggerated. How's "In the top three" instead?
How's about we call it an "important event", and do away with any meaningless lists? :p

Since the terms "patriotism," "nationalism," and "jingoism" normally refer to rabid support for a single nation/state, I continue to fail to see how any of them accurately describe an international effort to eliminate totalitarian fascism.
Because the allied victory wasn't an international effort, in the sense of all nations, but an effort on the part of several industrialised countries and their subserviant colonies.

Moreover, I personally believe that viewing WW2 as a fight against totalitarian fascism is a lovely view in hindsight, and sells a lot of plastic poppies, but has little to do with the pragmatic, gains-based reality of WW2.

Sorry, my friend with a conflict, but Chumbly here is right. World War II was definitely important but there were many other more important things. For example, World War I, which set up the conditions for World War II and made it possible.

Rheinmetal and Barrett should definitely have been on the list

Rheinmetal and Barrett should definitely have been on the list

Eh, they're specialists. Masters in their fields, certainly, but not general weapon manufacturers.

Eh, they're specialists. Masters in their fields, certainly, but not general weapon manufacturers.
But they're weapons are so fun to play with :D

But they're weapons are so fun to play with :D

So very true...

Well you can tell that this thread is made by an american...

Well you can tell that this thread is made by an american...

Why so? He named one US and one German company...

Good to see so many pro-gun lefties here. My favorite is Ruger, they come closest to be all things to all people. I love those double action revolvers, I inherited an old Security Six, built like a steel brick, fires every damn time. I like the idea of the Mini-14, but I think they should go ahead and scale the whole thing a little bit bigger and closer to the original M-14. Plus they need to make a decent hi-cap mag at the factory, so you know it will feed right.

Love my 10/22...it's the rifle everyone should have. Heck, they should teach shooting it in High school P.E. class. crack crack crack ping ping ping!

Fabrique Nationale.

Of the two you suggested in your... bizarrely limited poll, however, H&K.

But really, though, it's FN.

Yay, Limited poll;)
I would have to ask how we score them. Is it....how fast we can kill someone given we may be a bad shot? Distance? What?
I would run with the colt either way bighorse it sounds like a horse and a horse is a heavy thing to be stuck in your head. Mind you, if I had to pick the thing up I would run with the other one bighorse I never heard of it so it should not be as heavy as a horse,. ... rodent maybe, hamster? Dunno.

Of, the two, Colt is more historically significant, having produced not only the m16, but also the M1911. The longest used service pistol to date.

As for favorites, I'll have to say Remmington, because they are responsible for Bessie, my R1100. She's beautiful.

All well and good, I'm not denying that WW2 was an important series of events in world/human history, but I still contend that WW2 wasn't the most critical moment in human history.


Yeah, well, hyperbole is a perfectly legitimate rhetorical device.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.


How's about we call it an "important event", and do away with any meaningless lists? :p


That's no fun at all.


Because the allied victory wasn't an international effort, in the sense of all nations,


Obviously, as that would be something of an unfairly high standard.


...but an effort on the part of several industrialised countries and their subserviant colonies.


Relatively liberal and democratic countries. Considering the immediate competition. Even if said countries' intentions where less than perfectly noble, decolonization was still the result of the event itself.


Moreover, I personally believe that viewing WW2 as a fight against totalitarian fascism is a lovely view in hindsight, and sells a lot of plastic poppies, but has little to do with the pragmatic, gains-based reality of WW2.

Selfishness on the part of political leadership can still result in objectively good outcomes. It's obvious that FDR/Truman, Stalin, Churchill and all the rest were totally self interested bastards largely motivated by selfish gain, resulting in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_internment) unspeakable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II) atrocities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki).

This doesn't change the obvious fact that we are all better off not having to start the day singing praises to the Emperor and/or Der Fuhrer.

Why so? He named one US and one German company...

most americans own guns as they are legal whereas they shouldn't be- as someone else has referred the best manufacturer is one that doesn't exist

Springfeild Armory

They haven't done much lately except for the XD series but I would kill to have a good M-14 (literally).

I believe that the firearms of centuries gone by are far superior to the ones made now, not only that but they are the kind of weapon a gentleman would use, far more respectable to the enemy than picking him off from a mile away. However, I still like modern guns, especially Winchester.

Preferably i'll get a .50 cal. flintlock.

Which ever one Republican Jesus likes. :p:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, The HK416 is one of the most amazing weapons I have ever seen. The replacement of the direct impingement gas system is an incredible advancement.




Edit: As for the poll.... My heart wants Colt, but my head votes H&K.

I don't know if you're aware, but the HK416 isn't the only gas piston conversion for the M-16/AR-15. LWRC and POF also have them, and Colt is working on one as well (they had some at Shot Show 2006).

Yeah, well, hyperbole is a perfectly legitimate rhetorical device.

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.
Spoken like a true Sophist!

That’s no fun at all.
Call me Mr. Killjoy.

Obviously, as that would be something of an unfairly high standard.
Perhaps I was being a tad stingy.

Relatively liberal and democratic countries. Considering the immediate competition. Even if said countries’ intentions where less than perfectly noble, decolonization was still the result of the event itself.

Selfishness on the part of political leadership can still result in objectively good outcomes. It’s obvious that FDR/Truman, Stalin, Churchill and all the rest were totally self interested bastards largely motivated by selfish gain, resulting in (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_internment”) unspeakable (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II”) atrocities (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki”).

This doesn’t change the obvious fact that we are all better off not having to start the day singing praises to the Emperor and/or Der Fuhrer.
Obviously.

I don’t mean to jump on you, I just get a bit pissed off this time of year when we’re repeatedly told the myth of Second World War: Good vs. Evil.



...but I would kill to have a good M-14 (literally).
Wouldn't you need a good M14 to kill someone in the first place?

Love my 10/22...it's the rifle everyone should have. Heck, they should teach shooting it in High school P.E. class. crack crack crack ping ping ping!

The 10/22 is one of the firearms on my list of ones I will eventually (hopefully) get. Do you use the stock 10 round magazines, or do you have higher capacity magazines? If high caps, what ones do you find work best for you?

most americans own guns as they are legal whereas they shouldn't be- as someone else has referred the best manufacturer is one that doesn't exist

May I ask why they should not be legal for law-abiding citizens? Believe me I understand why criminals and the non-law-abiding should not own them, and as such I support SENSIBLE gun control, but law-abiding citizens are not dangerous with firearms unless they don't know how to use them or store them. That's why I think a gun safety and use course ought to be required for all gun owners, for instance.

In the United States, for example, you cannot get rid of firearms period. Even if you made an amendment to cancel out the 2nd Amendment and completely banned all firearms from private ownership, there are simply far too many, and all you'd do is give the black market a ridiculous boost and jail a large portion of the populace. We have FAAAR too many people in jail already as it is.

Now, do I own a gun myself? Not yet. But will I own one? Most certainly, given that I'll be in the Navy.

Speaking of the Navy, anyone here know what firearms I'll be trained on in boot camp?

May I ask why they should not be legal for law-abiding citizens? Believe me I understand why criminals and the non-law-abiding should not own them, and as such I support SENSIBLE gun control, but law-abiding citizens are not dangerous with firearms unless they don't know how to use them or store them. That's why I think a gun safety and use course ought to be required for all gun owners, for instance.

In the United States, for example, you cannot get rid of firearms period. Even if you made an amendment to cancel out the 2nd Amendment and completely banned all firearms from private ownership, there are simply far too many, and all you'd do is give the black market a ridiculous boost and jail a large portion of the populace. We have FAAAR too many people in jail already as it is.

Now, do I own a gun myself? Not yet. But will I own one? Most certainly, given that I'll be in the Navy.

Speaking of the Navy, anyone here know what firearms I'll be trained on in boot camp?

Not that I've been in the Navy, or am sure of what weapons you'd be trained on, but my GUESS is the M-16 (rifle) and maybe the M-9 (pistol). The reason I'm guessing on those 2 weapons is, that's what most of the US military uses right now.

Now, do I own a gun myself? Not yet. But will I own one? Most certainly, given that I'll be in the Navy.

Speaking of the Navy, anyone here know what firearms I'll be trained on in boot camp?

It's changed since I was in. I was trained on a .45 sized down to a .22 round.

From what a friend told me, they trained on a 9mm, M-16, and 12 ga. Most likely after boot camp, you'll never touch one again unless you're a MAA or Gunner's Mate.

Not that I've been in the Navy, or am sure of what weapons you'd be trained on, but my GUESS is the M-16 (rifle) and maybe the M-9 (pistol). The reason I'm guessing on those 2 weapons is, that's what most of the US military uses right now.

It's changed since I was in. I was trained on a .45 sized down to a .22 round.

From what a friend told me, they trained on a 9mm, M-16, and 12 ga. Most likely after boot camp, you'll never touch one again unless you're a MAA or Gunner's Mate.

Ah, okay. Thanks.

Wait, hang on...I'll not touch a firearm again at all while in the Navy(unless I am one of those two jobs) or I'll not touch a specific one?

Now, do I own a gun myself? Not yet. But will I own one? Most certainly, given that I'll be in the Navy.

Speaking of the Navy, anyone here know what firearms I'll be trained on in boot camp?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navyjoin/l/aanavybasic1.htm

M9 & 12 guage

Speaking of the Navy, anyone here know what firearms I'll be trained on in boot camp?



Recruits are instructed on military drill, basic shipboard damage control and firefighting, familiarization with the M9 pistol and Mossberg 500 shotgun (The Navy no longer gives instruction on the M-16 in boot camp), pass the confidence chamber (tear gas filled chamber), and the basic essentials on Navy life.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_pistol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500

Ah, okay. Thanks.

Wait, hang on...I'll not touch a firearm again at all while in the Navy(unless I am one of those two jobs) or I'll not touch a specific one?

If you're not in one of those jobs you'll probably not use a side arm again, If you're shipboard on say a carrier you might get the chance to play a little with the M2HB

Great! Thanks!

Wait, hang on...I'll not touch a firearm again at all while in the Navy(unless I am one of those two jobs) or I'll not touch a specific one?

If you want to play with real guns you should have enlisted in the Marine Corps :)

If you want to play with real guns you should have enlisted in the Marine Corps :)

Oh, no, I'm not exactly eager to mess around with weapons...I just wanted to know the specifics of what I will use and not use, that's all.

Sig Sauer

Pity. It was a good story.

Yeah, forget swords to plowshares. Beat thy guns into Barbie dolls ...

But, not true. Oh well.

H&K 45 I use it to shoot at Pints of Ben and Jerry's (sell outs).

Have you seen the Non-lethal line of H&K. Why make such a weapon?

As far as rifles go, HK is the clear winner. However, I have nothing good to say about any of HK's pistols.

Colt on the other hand makes excellent revolvers and 1911s, but fails in the rifle department, in my opinion.

HK also has the advantage of that masterpiece, the mp5, which I have had the immense pleasure of firing before.

Nevertheless, I am a Sig man, all told.

Who made the Brown Bess?

Who made the Brown Bess?

IIRC, the London Armoury.

IIRC, the London Armoury.

some of them not all were made there

some of them not all were made there

No, many were manufactured in other places. But I believe the original design came from there.