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This is a little quiz that I like better than the political compass. What do y'all think? (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html)

Tried it and got the "centralist" rating.

I got Libertarian. Close enough, I guess.

I come out to be one space left of pure Libertarian.

It's a bit off since it refers to "liberal" as "left".

I cross the 't' in 'Libertarian'.

It's a bit off since it refers to "liberal" as "left".

Yep. In my country, "Liberal" means right-wing. I'm left-wing, and this thing tells me I'm a "Liberal".

Came up libertarian even though I support social security. Though the only reason I support social security (and I do think it needs a major overhaul) is 'cause people are too damned stupid to handle their own affairs.

Holy kakec!
I'm a Libertarian and I didn't even know it.

Though reading the description, it seems much more agreeable than I see it made out to be.

I like the Political Survey. It's about as accurate as the Political Compass, and doesn't have a libertarian bias.
I would also be interested to see a more fleshed-out version of the quiz taken by nations before they are created, that has three axes. Anyone know where one exists?

For the World's Smallest Political Quiz I am a Centrist, one square away from the Liberal space.

This is a little quiz that I like better than the political compass. What do y'all think? (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html)

My results:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-sco...w.php?p=10&e=9

Compare this to the information found in my signature below. "The World's Smallest Political Quiz" can't tell the difference between capitalist and anti-capitalist libertarians. But, of course, neither can "Libertarians (http://www.lp.org)." Thus the ideological bias inherent in "The World's Smallest Political Quiz."

"The World's Smallest Political Quiz" says I belong to an ideology and party I would never vote for.

The Political Compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org) can, however, classify me properly, and is thus a far superior instrument. The Political Compass exists to help people measure their political ideology, not to funnel people into the quiz author's favored political cult.

Wow I am extreme Libertarian, the red dot went all the way to the top.

Yep. In my country, "Liberal" means right-wing. I'm left-wing, and this thing tells me I'm a "Liberal".Liberal is actually somewhere near "centrist". They take up a center position between the moderate right (conservatives) and the moderate left (social democrats/socialists). On social issues, they tend to align with the left, and on economic issues, they tend to align with the right.

Statist:

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 0%.

Personal 90%
Economy 20%
Liberal

I'm one dot away from centrist. This quiz however seems much to simple to really determine anything.

It put me just out of Liberal in Libertarian...

Liberal is actually somewhere near "centrist". They take up a center position between the moderate right (conservatives) and the moderate left (social democrats/socialists). On social issues, they tend to align with the left, and on economic issues, they tend to align with the right.

Depends in which country.

Here in France, we use the word "Liberal" to describe someone who is economically right-wing (on the French scales).

In Australia, "Liberal" is synonymous with "Conservative" (in the sense that members of the Liberal Party as refered to as the Conservatives, and their leadership is strongly right-wing on both economic and social issues).

Sorry, I disagree with the Libertarian view that government should necessarily be small. It still put on the same leading up to.

So, doesn't work for me.

I'm just above centrist, in Libertarian.

centrist in every political test, including this one. so I guess its okay.

Centrist.

Depends in which country.

Here in France, we use the word "Liberal" to describe someone who is economically right-wing (on the French scales).

In Australia, "Liberal" is synonymous with "Conservative" (in the sense that members of the Liberal Party as refered to as the Conservatives, and their leadership is strongly right-wing on both economic and social issues).I'm trying to come at it from a more global perspective. Traditionally, liberals are allied with conservatives, primarily due to economic issues. This is particularly true in societies where the gap between conservative and liberal social platforms aren't as wide, main example being Europe here. They tend to balance out against the left and center-left parties.

So, traditional liberalism is devoted to more center-right economic policies, such as free trade, reduction of subsidies and bureaucracy, lower taxes, and privitization over state-run, while at the same time favoring more center-left policies concerning social values and civil liberties, such as gay rights, abortion, and curbing of state incursion into individual privacy.

That results in liberal platforms allying with conservatives in countries where there is a viable left-wing alternative (such as Europe), and strong opposition to the conservatives in places, such as the USA, where this is not the case.

The smallest quiz here is way too America centric. The distinction between liberal and conservative isn't big enough to warrant putting them at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

I'm trying to come at it from a more global perspective. Traditionally, liberals are allied with conservatives, primarily due to economic issues. This is particularly true in societies where the gap between conservative and liberal social platforms aren't as wide, main example being Europe here. They tend to balance out against the left and center-left parties.

So, traditional liberalism is devoted to more center-right economic policies, such as free trade, reduction of subsidies and bureaucracy, lower taxes, and privitization over state-run, while at the same time favoring more center-left policies concerning social values and civil liberties, such as gay rights, abortion, and curbing of state incursion into individual privacy.

That results in liberal platforms allying with conservatives in countries where there is a viable left-wing alternative (such as Europe), and strong opposition to the conservatives in places, such as the USA, where this is not the case.

The smallest quiz here is way too America centric. The distinction between liberal and conservative isn't big enough to warrant putting them at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Good point(s).

Good point(s).Thanks :)
I've been doing a lot of thnking about party labels on a global scale. Plans to start a thread with my observations are part of why I returned to NS.

That and a Zombie thread I'm thinking of starting :p

World's most useless quiz. The questions are even more limited in scope than the Political Compass...

Personal = 90%
Economic = 70%

ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,

The political group that
agrees with you most is...

.

LIBERTARIAN

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=8&e=7
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.

vs Political Compass:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.50&soc=-2.87
Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87
(which, apparently, puts me somewhere between Mozart and Shostakovich.)

Liberal
Personal 90%
Economic 30%

Lower left centrist for me.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%.

Though I kinda disagree with this one... the Political Compass is more correct for me too. In real life I belong to a left-wing party.

Nationstates is my playground for trying out ideals opposite to my true views, hence my attempts at oppressing the citizens of Araraukar. LOL

This is a little quiz that I like better than the political compass. What do y'all think? (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html)

Only wasting 30 seconds is a selling-point.

I also like "scoring it" instead of having to "submit" :p

90% on personal, 40% on financial. Liberal, near the edge of Libertarian.

The smallest quiz here is way too America centric. The distinction between liberal and conservative isn't big enough to warrant putting them at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
Maybe so, but it is a recruiting tool written by an American political party for an American political party. Use it in context.

{Personal = 100, Economic = 80}

Personal 90%
Economy 20%
Liberal

Let me guess.

You said "maybe" on the National ID card, and "yes" on End Corporate Welfare.

Otherwise, all agree for Personal, all disagree for Economic.

Score it!

Maybe so, but it is a recruiting tool written by an American political party for an American political party. Use it in context.

{Personal = 100, Economic = 80}

So, you were two quibbles away from drinking the Kool Aid ! :eek:

Let me guess yours too.

All agree on Personal (obviously). Maybe on Corporate Welfare and End Social Security, otherwise all agree.

Score it!

90/30

liberal

90/30

liberal

I got ninety too. One of the personal questions really stood out, it was the ID card because it's not just a personal liberties thing. I have very little idea where you stand on economics, but here goes anyway ...

You answered agree to everything in the first half, except "maybe" for ID card.
You answered Agree on End Corporate Welfare and Maybe on End trade barriers, otherwise all disagree.

How'd I do ?

Please choose one of the following options:


Are you on our side?
Are you on their side?

[[Score it!]]

Sorry, you must choose at least one option. Please try again.

[[OK]]

Please choose one of the following options:


Are you on our side?
Are you on their side?

[[Score it!]]

Sorry, you cannot choose both options. Please try again.

[[OK]]

Please choose one of the following options:


Are you on our side?
Are you on their side?

[[Score it!]]

Your results: You scored 100% ! Congratulations, you are outstandingly intelligent and well-informed, with a well-developed political consciousness and great personal integrity.

I got ninety too. One of the personal questions really stood out, it was the ID card because it's not just a personal liberties thing. I have very little idea where you stand on economics, but here goes anyway ...

You answered agree to everything in the first half, except "maybe" for ID card.
You answered Agree on End Corporate Welfare and Maybe on End trade barriers, otherwise all disagree.

How'd I do ?

not bad.

i answered NO on national id and maybe on the draft (its unamerican to require a national id even though its becoming a very good idea but there are times [not now] when a draft is necessary)

the second half is spot on because i dont know the ins and outs of "end trade barriers" but i suspect there are some good reasons for them.

not bad.

i answered NO on national id and maybe on the draft (its unamerican to require a national id even though its becoming a very good idea but there are times [not now] when a draft is necessary)

Yeah, there's much dumbness in the quiz, whatcha get for trying to make it smaller I guess.

I've heard some interesting arguments for a non-military draft which I would have answered "maybe" to, but I think requiring a citizen to kill is that step beyond taking away a year of their life to serve the country.

The ID card I said "maybe" to because that's de facto anyway. You need ID to do just about anything, so it might as well be consistent. Folks can still go live in a cave if they don't like it.

the second half is spot on because i dont know the ins and outs of "end trade barriers" but i suspect there are some good reasons for them.

:eek: Spot on?

Says something about the quiz, I'd say. Social security in australia comes right out of recurrent spending, so I wred "privatise" it as abolish it and answered No.

I'm not going to guess any more posters' answers. It's easy and no big deal; someone else should have a go.

:eek: Spot on?

Says something about the quiz, I'd say. Social security in australia comes right out of recurrent spending, so I wred "privatise" it as abolish it and answered No.


privatize does pretty much mean abolish. i suppose it would be mandated savings in <whatever> but with the scam investments out there, its a very stupid idea.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

I'm a Liberal Libertarian.

Personal 100%
Economy 50%

i'd love to show the little map it made of where it put me.

the verbal sumations was:

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%.

so it put the red dot at the very outer edge of the map.
at the top of the liberal area, one notch below the border between it and libertarian.

"you may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one ..."

and yes, i DO believe it's possible. NOT by any existing idiology, nor by idiology at all, and NOT by letting 'economics' get away with murder either, for the simple reason that our existence is entirely dependent of the cycles of nature making possible the air we breath which economics devistatingly ignores.

welfare and infrastructure are the ONLY reasons to have governments, of any kind, which certainly have no legitimate bussiness attempting to legislate and impose their own pseudo-morality of any kind.

=^^=
.../\...

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%.
A liberal libertarian is me.

I'm a Liberal Libertarian.

Personal 100%
Economy 50%

(Sez woz outa this, but duz neway)

Well duh, you voted the libby ones in the first half. 100% is easy.

Economics: your choice is the hardest to diagnose.

(90% means only one option was Maybe, 80% means one option was Disagree or two Maybe, 70% mean 1Maybe and a Dis or 3 Maybes...)

End Corporate Welfare: Agree.
Free Trade: Maybe.
Privat'z SocSec Agree (!)

(HEAD EXPLODES)

These fuckers asked the same question TWICE!!

tHIS QUIZ IS FUCING CORRUIPT!

Look at the first half of it. It's terribly easy to feel all good and progressive about that shit isn't it? Where's the "Right to control what you do with your own body" question?? The one that covers a right to take drugs or choose medical procedures? Including to abort one's pregnancy? No, not fucking there.

Now look at the second half

They only have four questions. And this on their libertarian turf. THEY ASK THE SAME QUESTION TWICE!

Social Security is a part of social welfare. They asked the question twice, to exaggerate the effect of the "end corporate welfare" which is a lay-down moszaire, it's money for nothing, just about everyone votes Agree because of the wording.

Second half of the poll comes down to "gee you've had your warm fuzzies, now make a real choice, cut Taxes 50%."

Done playing this game. ASD, nice finesse, well played, lie again sometime :)

EDIT: That wasn't meant to be rude. I meant "I give up trying to guess your economic choices."

This quiz looked too simple from the start to be anwhere near accurate, but I ended up with Personal 40% and Economic 50% anyway. Centrist for me, and that sounds about right, but like I said before, not accurate in the least.

So, you were two quibbles away from drinking the Kool Aid ! :eek:

Let me guess yours too.

All agree on Personal (obviously). Maybe on Corporate Welfare and End Social Security, otherwise all agree.

Score it!
Actually, I think it was M on free trade and welfare, but I find it interesting that the M's and D's count the same.

Nice slick looking pretty chart they plot you on :) Short, indeed it is, though I prefer the longer ones that really delve into your opinions and actually make you think about what you believe in politically and socially. But hey, it is a very pretty graph, and that's gotta count for something!

Economic score: 10%
Peronsal issues score: 30%
Ranking: Statist

Statist

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 20%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 0%.

Statist

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 20%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 0%.

Ooh, a fellow statist :D Let me guess, you said disagree to everything except the "There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults" one?

It somehoe reminds me the Tribes serie...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=7
LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%

LIBERALS usually embrace freedom of choice in personal
matters, but tend to support significant government control of the
economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net"
to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation
of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations,
defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action
to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

Hardly surprising. I identify myself as libertarian socialist.

LIBERALS usually embrace freedom of choice in personal
matters, but tend to support significant government control of the
economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net"
to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation
of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations,
defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action
to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

Hardly surprising. I identify myself as libertarian socialist.
So what you're saying is that liberals really want to leave all the big decisions to government, just so long as they approve of it's authoritarian actions. Is that about right? Oh yeah, the government can't care about what the individual thinks and does personally, just so long as that individual doesn't express any opinions that diverge from the government established ideals of diversity and equality.

Actually, I think it was M on free trade and welfare, but I find it interesting that the M's and D's count the same.

I tried it again (back button works, you can do it over and over) and actually, no they don't.

It's simple: D = 0%, M = 10%, D = 20%.

I totally agree with you that "it is a recruiting tool written by an American political party for an American political party"

... and I think the questions were chosen to make a more or less average person fall in their corner. Totally bogus.

Small scope of questions corresponds to small scope of analysis.

I tried it again (back button works, you can do it over and over) and actually, no they don't.

It's simple: D = 0%, M = 10%, D = 20%.

I totally agree with you that "it is a recruiting tool written by an American political party for an American political party"

... and I think the questions were chosen to make a more or less average person fall in their corner. Totally bogus.
Apparently that was another of my bad math days. They seem to be accumulating at an alarming rate.

The recruiting tool stuff being said and agreed to, I think it does make people consider how government should involve itself in daily life.

Personal matters? Probably not -- But how should government treat those that promote actions contrary to the popular version of "diverse", "tolerant", and "equality".

Economic issues? Probably less clear, but again, it's a good conversation starter. Much, much better than the many question tests that have so many questions, you don't remember much of it at all.

This is a little quiz that I like better than the political compass. What do y'all think? (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html)
Well, on the one hand I suppose the political compass's questions are a bit more indirect and not quite as relevant to one's views on governmental control with repect to an issue as this one, but on the other hand this one asks very few questions and tries to extrapolate a whole ideology from them.

More importantly, though, I think the biggest flaw is one that both the political compass and the "World's Smallest Political Quiz" share for the same reason; their measurement based on separate opinions that share the same axes. Such labels associate way too many separate opinions on separate subjects with each other at the same time to make sense. Let's say that, hypothetically, two people agreed with each other on most issues except for the drug issue and the consenting sex issue; person 1 chose "A" on the drug issue and "D" on the sex issue, and person 2 chose "D" on the drug issue and "A" on the sex issue. These people disagree on both issues, yet they would be placed on the same position on that quiz WHILE someone who would have chose "A" on both issues OR "D" on both issues would be placed in a different position, despite having more opinion common ground (within that quiz's questions, of course) with person 1 or person 2 than either would have with each other; make sense?

EDIT: Oh and for the record I scored centrist.

In between Statist and Conservative.

Personal: 100%
Economic: 20%
Liberal

W00T! Accuracy FTW.

Center-libertarian.

wow, I seem to have swung alarmingly to the right in the last few months. dont worry im not buyingmy jackboots just yet though! lol

Apparently that was another of my bad math days. They seem to be accumulating at an alarming rate.

The recruiting tool stuff being said and agreed to, I think it does make people consider how government should involve itself in daily life.

Personal matters? Probably not -- But how should government treat those that promote actions contrary to the popular version of "diverse", "tolerant", and "equality".

Does government "enforce morality" without even meaning to?
Aren't all our perceived "rights" biased by what we have already?

Much good debate yet to come, on NSG and everywhere.

Victory is unlikely, but persuasion and mutual understanding ... :)

Economic issues? Probably less clear, but again, it's a good conversation starter. Much, much better than the many question tests that have so many questions, you don't remember much of it at all.

Conversation is good. I started in mockery, posting to this thread, but now I see some value in classifying each other. Simple tests are OK, if only there were more axes of meaurement, something like the Kiernsey psychological test, which has (IIRC) four axes.

A NS nation has three dimensions, but I don't think those dimensions are symetrical or well-assessed by the questions. Civil and political tend to go together somewhat, with "civil liberties" almost opposite to "economic."

Well, if I really cared about that game, I'd go over to the NS2 forum and contribute there.

... returning to the concept of a "recruiting tool" ... isn't that what politicians do: present a tangible policy in "common sense" terms that just sound "right" and leave the opponent looking like an ideologue? To present themselves as "just like us" ... even if that means avoiding detail of their policy and concentrating on the intent?

Eh, democracy. It's decision-making for dummies!

Libertarian

no surprise