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Sarko says: I'm not Bush's lap-dog
November 07, 2007 FRANCE and the US were to seal their new love affair overnight when Nicolas Sarkozy, the most pro-American French leader for decades, turned up in Washington to be feted by a grateful US administration.

President George W. Bush's beleaguered team has been in a collective swoon over the emergence of an Elvis-loving, iPod-wearing, French President after many strained years with Jacques Chirac.

However, with his opponents sniping about lap-dogs, "Sarko l'Americain" says that he has no intention of playing junior partner in the latest chapter of a 230-year-old love-hate bond between Paris and Washington.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVWYqEFO9I) is Republican Senator Larry Craig saying "I am not gay" :D
and
Here (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22715000-2703,00.html) is Sarko saying I am not "L'americain" lap Dog. :D :D

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVWYqEFO9I) is Republican Senator Larry Craig saying "I am not gay" :D
and
Here (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22715000-2703,00.html) is Sarko saying I am not "L'americain" lap Dog. :D :D

hahahahahaa. yeah right....

Aww, how cute! Sarkozy can join John Howard in backyard.

Just tell him not to jump on the furniture, please.

That remains to be seen, Sarkozy. We're watching you...

This might be the first time in recent history that a lame duck has had a lap dog. Do ducks even have laps?

OD, I think the Sarkozy video of him divorcing his wife would have been more appropriate.

OD, I think the Sarkozy video of him divorcing his wife would have been more appropriate.maybe you are rite..

do you have a link?

False dichotomy, don't you think? Can't someone not hate the US without being Bush's lapdog? Angela Merkel is managing, so I don't see why Sarkozy can't.

Ultimately there are issues to be solved on the world stage, and going around hating each other is counterproductive if national interests coincide by en large as much as they do for France and the US.

The one thing I'm not too sure about is when they start talking about "close personal friendships", like Blair and Howard do. Because then it starts to be about those friendships and not about the issues.

False dichotomy, don't you think? Can't someone not hate the US without being Bush's lapdog? Angela Merkel is managing, so I don't see why Sarkozy can't.

Ultimately there are issues to be solved on the world stage, and going around hating each other is counterproductive if national interests coincide by en large as much as they do for France and the US.

The one thing I'm not too sure about is when they start talking about "close personal friendships", like Blair and Howard do. Because then it starts to be about those friendships and not about the issues.Merkel?

You are right, Merkel is not Bush's Lap Dog.. She is something else... ;)
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in English "dog" is a word we usually reserve for -the ones with a penis-.. she is not is Bush's Dog.. she is Bush's bitch.

Here[/URL] is Sarko saying I am not "L'americain" lap Dog. :D :D

"Je suis pas le Lap Dog americain! Ouaf! Ouaf!"

:rolleyes: Give us back Chirac, at least he showed some balls.

So, you're either hostile to the United States (and therefore heroic, independent minded and brave) or America's lapdog? Something strikes me as very wrong about that dichotomy. Maybe the fact that it's a false dichotomy? Hmmmmmmmm?

So, you're either hostile to the United States (and therefore heroic, independent minded and brave) or America's lapdog? Something strikes me as very wrong about that dichotomy. Maybe the fact that it's a false dichotomy? Hmmmmmmmm?all You Neocons/pro-War/Bushites/Right-wingers/etc/etc..
You invented it, now dont start crying when it comes back to bite you in the ass..
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all You Neocons/pro-War/Bushites/Right-wingers/etc/etc..
You invented it, now dont start crying when it comes back to bite you in the ass..
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Cut the color crap. It's lame, and it doesn't make what you're trying to say any more punchy or trenchant, just immature.

More than that, this false dichotomy has been around far longer than you're giving it credit, and I had nothing to do with creating it.

the word "you".. in my post meant to say "all of them Neocons/pro-War/Bushites/Right-wingers/etc/etc".. not you in particular. It is not directed at you, its directed to a vast group of people who -once upon a time- was cheerleading Bush for the war in Iraq.

Then your justification for the use of this false dichotomy is a tu quoque fallacy, a special type of ad hominem fallacy.

that is the reason for the color white ;)
You don't like my colors?

sue.me© :D

Will do.

C'mon, guys. Sarkozy decided, for ONCE, not to keep harboring De Gaulle's silly little anti-American grudge. I think that's the textbook definition of a lap dog.

Cut the color crap. It's lame, and it doesn't make what you're trying to say any more punchy or trenchant, just immature.

More than that, this false dichotomy has been around far longer than you're giving it credit, and I had nothing to do with creating it.the word "you".. in my post meant to say "all of them Neocons/pro-War/Bushites/Right-wingers/etc/etc".. not you in particular. It is not directed at you, its directed to a vast group of people who -once upon a time- was cheerleading Bush for the war in Iraq.

that is the reason for the color white ;)
You don't like my colors?

sue.me© :D

And I am going to sue the timewarpiness of Jolt. Jeebuth...

:rolleyes: Give us back Chirac, at least he showed some balls.

I'm starting to miss that old crook.

Having said that, being on cordial terms with those strange people across the Atlantic isn't a bad thing simply in itself. Quite the contrary. As long as Sarko's government continues to maintain an independent foreign policy for France.

I'm starting to miss that old crook.

Having said that, being on cordial terms with those strange people across the Atlantic isn't a bad thing simply in itself. Quite the contrary. As long as Sarko's government continues to maintain an independent foreign policy for France.

Naturally, I wouldn't want anything but for that to be the case. A strong, independent France does far more good for the world than a groveling, subservient France, whether it's pro-US policies or otherwise.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVWYqEFO9I) is Republican Senator Larry Craig saying "I am not gay" :D
and
Here (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22715000-2703,00.html) is Sarko saying I am not "L'americain" lap Dog. :D :D

You know what they say, "If you have to deny it ..."

Mais c'est vrai à la fin, ce que dit M. Sarkozy. Il n'est pas du tout leur chien. Il est leur péripatéticienne. Leur poufiasse. Leur salope. Donc, ce n'est pas étrange qu'il leur lèche le cul... on dit "poirier japonais", non?

"Je suis pas le Lap Dog americain! Ouaf! Ouaf!"

:rolleyes: Give us back Chirac, at least he showed some balls.

No....the French people voted for Sarkozy and he has been doing a good job so far. Just because Leftists like you don't like the fact that he is trying to repair the mistakes of his past administration (and our current administration) just means that you guys are eager to go on supporting hatred of America....get over yourselves.

America and France have a love hate relationship throughout history...to simply want to divert back to love does not mean "lapdog" grow the fuck up and stop being so sensationalist. I hated Chriac but I still like the nation of France just fine, and I greatly welcome the mending of our relationship both by America and by France. Though many may not like it, we have more in common than we choose to admit....

Having said that, being on cordial terms with those strange people across the Atlantic isn't a bad thing simply in itself. Quite the contrary. As long as Sarko's government continues to maintain an independent foreign policy for France.
Well you can keep missing him, because he's not comming back and thank God Sarkozy is not following in his footsteps. Having said that....I agree with you, sorta. I don't think we should try to make France a puppet nor do I think that repairing our complex relationship means we are making you into a puppet. Sarkozy likes America and wants to make amends....that does not mean he wants to give away control of France's soverignty to America..after all, he is a bit nationalistic, isn't he.

I hated Chriac

Why?

Not that I was bursting with admiration for him; far from it. But I did like certain things about him, and I definitely didn't hate him.


but I still like the nation of France just fine, and I greatly welcome the mending of our relationship both by America and by France. Though many may not like it, we have more in common than we choose to admit....


There's also a hell of a lot that makes us different, but that's no reason for two countries to bitch at each other. ;)


Sarkozy likes America and wants to make amends....that does not mean he wants to give away control of France's soverignty to America..after all, he is a bit nationalistic, isn't he.

You could say that, yes. Of the "France should not feel sorry for anything it's done wrong in the past, but should feel proud instead" type. A little like Australia's John Howard in that way, I suppose.

Mais c'est vrai à la fin, ce que dit M. Sarkozy. Il n'est pas du tout leur chien. Il est leur péripatéticienne. Leur poufiasse. Leur salope. Donc, ce n'est pas étrange qu'il leur lèche le cul... on dit "poirier japonais", non?il leche le cul tellement serre.. il laisse rien :D

That remains to be seen, Sarkozy. We're watching you...

No, it doesn't. It's a foreordained conclusion. ;)

In today's world, it takes guts to not uber-hate Bush. I mean, everybody hates him and those that don't hate him. If you can publicly show that you don't want the US to be your enemy, you've got the balls to go against this mob mentallity.

All I have to say is: hating the US because the US ONCE supported Bush (most Americans hate him nowadays) is like hating Germany because the Germans once supported Hitler enough to let him take their rights away. I know I just did a Godwin thing, but this time was appropriate. Both world leaders were once loved by their supporters, but are now hated. Except Hitler had to kill WAY more people to be hated.

It takes balls to mend fences. Any wuss can hold a grudge. One needs guts to try to mend fences with an unpopular country.

I tend to think that people who need to resort to obscure Latin phrases to make a point never had a very strong argument anyway, it's like those people in Legal studies who say 'ratio decidendi' instead of 'the reasoning the judge gave'.

france is fucked. they'll be rejoining NATO in no time.

Too early to tell if he's a lapdog. To be honest, I think he's far too much of a scumbag opportunist and showstealer to properly fit the lapdog role.

All I have to say is: hating the US because the US ONCE supported Bush (most Americans hate him nowadays) is like hating Germany because the Germans once supported Hitler enough to let him take their rights away.

It's weird that way. Most Americans who don't like Bush now would go around disassociating themselves from him. But when a foreign national leader snubs him, suddenly, said national hates all of America?

Whatever happened to just hating him personally?

Too early to tell if he's a lapdog. To be honest, I think he's far too much of a scumbag opportunist and showstealer to properly fit the lapdog role.maybe he is like a lap dog who can do "tricks" :D