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Was he a good lone wolf fighting against the vile ones, or a despicable murderer?

It should be blatantly obvious to everyone that he was a very evil individual.

It "should" be nothing of the sort. It could, but it most certainly "should" not as the only option.

Just like any other phenomenon in human history. E.g. the "discovery" of America is a great point for the economic boom of Europe which plundered America, but a catastrophe for Native Americans (from Yukon to Tierra del Fuego).

His crime was unforgivable. That is all. Those who do not immediately condemn him and his actions should be viewed with suspicion.

It "should" be nothing of the sort. It could, but it most certainly "should" not as the only option.

an individual perpetrates an act of terrorism on a government building killing dozens of innocent people, for no legitimate reason.

How could that be anything else other than pure evil? Some things have no justification. Some things have no "other side". Some things have no alternative perspective. The holocaust was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. The trail of tears was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. The pograms were wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. Slavery was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. 9/11 was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it.

Some things are simply without justification, without defense. The Oklahoma City bombing was one of those.

He was strongly influenced by the white supremacist hate screed The Turner Diaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries), and possibly harbouring an anti-government persecution complex due to his experiences in the first Gulf War.

And these things led him to kill, quite deliberately, one hundred and sixty eight people in the second-largest terrorist attack on US soil. I'm not sure that this can be debated at all, it's so one-sided; the man was a mass-murderer, a terrorist, and his death was quite richly deserved.

He was evil, 'nuff said.

His crime was unforgivable. That is all. Those who do not immediately condemn him and his actions should be viewed with suspicion.

As a Westerner who works for Chinese govbernment to prepare China to better understand the West in a future more direct "wrestling match", it amuses me to no end to stir paranoia among the likes of you.

an individual perpetrates an act of terrorism on a government building killing dozens of innocent people, for no legitimate reason.

How could that be anything else other than pure evil? Some things have no justification. Some things have no "other side". Some things have no alternative perspective. The holocaust was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. The trail of tears was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. The pograms were wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. Slavery was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. 9/11 was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it.

Some things are simply without justification, without defense. The Oklahoma City bombing was one of those.

People who work for the governments -- of all countries, but especially of a government responsible for most atrocities in the world today (that of the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico) -- are a legitimate target for other people who feel oppressed by that government's actions.

How is what McVeigh did different in essence from what Robin Hood was doing? Sure, they used different weapons, but that's about it.

As for the Holocaust, yes, it was terrible, but some people profited from it and feel no remorse. I am not talking about the Austrian perpetrators (a THIRD of SS guards in concentration campos were Austrian at a time when Asutran population made up just 8% of the Reich), but simple French, Ducth, Ukrainian, Polish who got the property of the Jews cheaply. Terrible -- yes, but not universally, not for the descendants of those who benefited.

Moreover, the number of people killed in the Holocaust of the Jews (even if it iis the highest estimated number, that of 6 million) is JUST ONE FOURTH of the number of Native Americans killed by Caucasians who conquered the territory of present day United Statelets ALONE.

Do you call the fact that Whites live in America "pure evil", "no other side" etc? For you should, and FOURFOLD.

How is what McVeigh did different in essence from what Robin Hood was doing? Sure, they used different weapons, but that's about it.

Well, we can start with the concept that one is fiction, and one is not.

As for the Holocaust, yes, it was terrible, but some people profited from it and feel no remorse. I am not talking about the Austrian perpetrators (a THIRD of SS guards in concentration campos were Austrian at a time when Asutran population made up just 8% of the Reich), but simple French, Ducth, Ukrainian, Polish who got the property of the Jews cheaply. Terrible -- yes, but not universally, not for the descendants of those who benefited.

There is a strong and definitive difference between "that which is morally wrong" and "that which has positive benefits". If you don't grasp that fairly simple concept, I'm afraid there's really no intelligent conversation to be had from you.

Moreover, the number of people killed in the Holocaust of the Jews (even if it iis the highest estimated number, that of 6 million) is JUST ONE FOURTH of the number of Native Americans killed by Caucasians who conquered the territory of present day United Statelets ALONE.

Do you call the fact that Whites live in America "pure evil", "no other side" etc? For you should, and FOURFOLD.

Well, let's take a look at what I said, shall we?

The holocaust was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it. The trail of tears was wrong, no matter how you try to look at it . . .

See, unlike you, I retain a degree of intellectual honest and am capable of admitting when my country has done wrong things. However, like everything, committing an "evil act" does not necessarily make an entity entirely evil in perpetuity. What was done to the native americans was attrocious, yes, you will find no disagreement from me.

So was what was done to the innocent lives in the federal building. However, I do not find americans in america today responsible for the acts of the destruction of native american communites any more so than I find germans alive in germany today responsible for the holocaust. Nor would I vistit the sins of McVeigh on to his children.

As a Westerner who works for Chinese govbernment to prepare China to better understand the West in a future more direct "wrestling match", it amuses me to no end to stir paranoia among the likes of you.

Funny that I amuse you, for you amuse me as well. You should choose your words more carefully in the future, and learn to pick your battles as well. Do not attempt to justify the actions of a white supremacist terrorist; it will only end badly for you.

In a sad foreshadowing of the post 9-11 mentality, when the Federal Building was just bombed media news reports were constantly blathering about how it was probably another Islamic terrorist attack. Of course when McVeigh and Nichols were finally fingered as suspects and then perpetrators and Timmy's facination with The Turner Diaries and possible association with Christian Identity was brought up, no outrage against Christians and no defensive outcry from Christians saying that that's not how true Christians behave and that they condemned such a reprehensible act.

Well, we can start with the concept that one is fiction, and one is not.
[...] However, like everything, committing an "evil act" does not necessarily make an entity entirely evil in perpetuity. What was done to the native americans was attrocious, yes, you will find no disagreement from me.

Timothy McVeigh is actually fiction? Another bad Hollywood US-paranoia-feeding movie?

"Native Americans" is spelled with capitals, more so than "Neo Art". To know that is a matter of education, but also of a common courtesy while shedding crocodile tears saying: "killing one group in the Holocaust was wrong forever, but killing many more of many other groups in several genocides, some more atrocious than the Holocaust, was wrong for a limited time which has now expired."

No, it is FOREVER wrong for the Whites, Blacks and Asians to live on the American soil (from Yukon to Tierra del Fuego) -- let alone to hold the power there.

Robin Hood is A) a fictional character or highly fictionalised depiction of a real character, and B) in what information we have of him, was a highwayman rather than a murderer, and C) did not engage in the large-scale massacre of innocents to make some kind of poorly-defined political statement.

And you know Neo Art was referring to Robin Hood. Don't try to play silly buggers, it's stupid and it only makes you look stupid. Furthermore, "Neo Art" is in this case a proper name, and thus is capitalised. That's basic grammar. Again, don't try to play silly buggers, it's stupid and it only makes you look stupid.

As for the colonisation of the Americas - yes, I will name as evil those people who themselves, by their own action, caused the deaths of many native Americans. I will not name as evil their descendants for things that happened a century or more before they were born. That's ridiculous.

Also, could you please stop referring to the United States of America as "the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico"? It's stupid, it makes you look stupid, and its only real purpose is to annoy Americans.

Timothy McVeigh is actually fiction? Another bad Hollywood US-paranoia-feeding movie?

"Native Americans" is spelled with capitals, more so than "Neo Art". To know that is a matter of education, but also of a common courtesy while shedding crocodile tears saying: "killing one group in the Holocaust was wrong forever, but killing many more of many other groups in several genocides, some more atrocious than the Holocaust, was wrong for a limited time which has now expired."

No, it is FOREVER wrong for the Whites, Blacks and Asians to live on the American soil (from Yukon to Tierra del Fuego) -- let alone to hold the power there.

*sigh* I see you don't read well, ah well:

do not find americans in america today responsible for the acts of the destruction of native american communites any more so than I find germans alive in germany today responsible for the holocaust.

An evil act doesn't become "not evil" in time. However the sins of the fathers do not follow to the children.

I'm pretty damn sure that killing people (randomly no less) is bad.
Not sure about evil, since that is an entirely different debate, but very bad, and not at all justified in that situation.

Funny that I amuse you, for you amuse me as well. You should choose your words more carefully in the future, and learn to pick your battles as well. Do not attempt to justify the actions of a white supremacist terrorist; it will only end badly for you.

It is you who will end bad, pathetic threatening wimp.

EVERYTHING WILL END -- AND BE PERFECTLY GOOD THROUGHOUT -- FOR ME.

So keep your stupid unsolicited "advice" for yourself. Not that it has any value even for the likes of you.

People who work for the governments -- of all countries, but especially of a government responsible for most atrocities in the world today (that of the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico) -- are a legitimate target for other people who feel oppressed by that government's actions.

O rly?
As a Westerner who works for Chinese govbernment to prepare China to better understand the West in a future more direct "wrestling match", it amuses me to no end to stir paranoia among the likes of you.


You work with the Chinese government?
Hrm?
HRM?
They have done horrible, horrible things in the past... and you work for them?
Obviously you are not free of the Chinese governments guilt, since you work for them.. obviously if I wanted to blow you up it would be justified.

*sigh* I see you don't read well, ah well:
An evil act doesn't become "not evil" in time. However the sins of the fathers do not follow to the children.

Oh, I read perfectly well, it is you who has a problem comprehending your own hypocrisy.

According to you the art that the Nazi have looted from Jewish owners should stay with the Nazi's children and not be returned to the relatives of the victims, just as the land of the Americas should stay in the hanbds of the descendants of the looters and murderers.

So why was Switzerland forced to pay compensations a few years back for the accounts it had impounded?

Robin Hood is A) a fictional character or highly fictionalised depiction of a real character, and B) in what information we have of him, was a highwayman rather than a murderer, and C) did not engage in the large-scale massacre of innocents to make some kind of poorly-defined political statement.

And you know Neo Art was referring to Robin Hood. Don't try to play silly buggers, it's stupid and it only makes you look stupid. Furthermore, "Neo Art" is in this case a proper name, and thus is capitalised. That's basic grammar. Again, don't try to play silly buggers, it's stupid and it only makes you look stupid.

As for the colonisation of the Americas - yes, I will name as evil those people who themselves, by their own action, caused the deaths of many native Americans. I will not name as evil their descendants for things that happened a century or more before they were born. That's ridiculous.

Also, could you please stop referring to the United States of America as "the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico"? It's stupid, it makes you look stupid, and its only real purpose is to annoy Americans.



Oh, cut your moronic flow of shit, you pathetic hypocrite.

It is you who will end bad, pathetic threatening wimp.

EVERYTHING WILL END -- AND BE PERFECTLY GOOD THROUGHOUT -- FOR ME.

So keep your stupid unsolicited "advice" for yourself. Not that it has any value even for the likes of you.

This post is a thing of beauty! It would appear that I have struck a nerve.

Know this, Miodrag Superior: there is no room in this world for white supremacist ideology. It is a corrupt, inherently illogical, and inherently dangerous ideology; its continued existence leads only to suffering and the destruction of innocent lives.

So you'd like to spend the next 40 years in a Chinese gaol -- for you'd surely be prevented.

That was slick.
Real slick.

You work with the Chinese government?
Hrm?
HRM?
They have done horrible, horrible things in the past... and you work for them?
Obviously you are not free of the Chinese governments guilt, since you work for them.. obviously if I wanted to blow you up it would be justified.

So you'd like to spend the next 40 years in a Chinese gaol -- for you'd surely be prevented.

I wonder if the Chinese government is aware that one of their servants is using their resources to troll Internet forums. I can't believe that they'd be happy about that.

Stop thinking in your stupid specifics and start discussing generalities.

So this one man had been influenced by -- AMONG OTHER -- something that you refer to as "white supremacist ideology". That is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

The point is that Timothy McVeigh is THE EPITHOME OF THE "AMERICAN (i.e. United-Stateletsian) DREAM, as promulgated by the US government propaganda machinery also known as Hollywood: A Lone Rider, Superman against the world etc.

Sure, the ideology that ANY group of humans is worth anything -- let alone more than other groups -- is totally wrong.

But Mc Veigh has dared. A pathetic wimp like yourself does not.

What?
What exactly did he do that was so laudable?
Is the American dream really all about blowing people up?
If so... I am living the American Nightmare.

This post is a thing of beauty! It would appear that I have stuck a nerve.

Know this, Miodrag Superior: there is no room in this world for white supremacist ideology. It is a corrupt, inherently illogical, and inherently dangerous ideology; its continued existence leads only to suffering and the destruction of innocent lives.

Stop thinking in your stupid specifics and start discussing generalities.

So this one man had been influenced by -- AMONG OTHER -- something that you refer to as "white supremacist ideology". That is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

The point is that Timothy McVeigh is THE EPITHOME OF THE "AMERICAN (i.e. United-Stateletsian) DREAM, as promulgated by the US government propaganda machinery also known as Hollywood: A Lone Rider, Superman against the world etc.

Sure, the ideology that ANY group of humans is worth anything -- let alone more than other groups -- is totally wrong.

But Mc Veigh has dared. A pathetic wimp like yourself does not.

Stop thinking in your stupid specifics and start discussing generalities.

So this one man had been influenced by -- AMONG OTHER -- something that you refer to as "white supremacist ideology". That is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

The point is that Timothy McVeigh is THE EPITHOME OF THE "AMERICAN (i.e. United-Stateletsian) DREAM, as promulgated by the US government propaganda machinery also known as Hollywood: A Lone Rider, Superman against the world etc.

Sure, the ideology that ANY group of humans is worth anything -- let alone more than other groups -- is totally wrong.

But Mc Veigh has dared. A pathetic wimp like yourself does not.

Question, are you trying to commit suicide by Mod?

What?
What exactly did he do that was so laudable?
Is the American dream really all about blowing people up?
If so... I am living the American Nightmare.

He is typical America. Perhaps (indeed probably) more so than you -- that I do not know and do not really care about.

Stop thinking in your stupid specifics and start discussing generalities.

So this one man had been influenced by -- AMONG OTHER -- something that you refer to as "white supremacist ideology". That is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

The point is that Timothy McVeigh is THE EPITHOME OF THE "AMERICAN (i.e. United-Stateletsian) DREAM, as promulgated by the US government propaganda machinery also known as Hollywood: A Lone Rider, Superman against the world etc.

Sure, the ideology that ANY group of humans is worth anything -- let alone more than other groups -- is totally wrong.

But Mc Veigh has dared. A pathetic wimp like yourself does not.

Your personal insults do not bother me in the least. Also, if you were only attempting to start a discussion about struggles against perceived injustice, why would you choose a man such as McVeigh as your example?

He is typical America. Perhaps (indeed probably) more so than you -- that I do not know and do not really care about.

So this is a waste of a thread...why not pick some other American to make a point. If he was the 'typical' American, you would be able to see us from space, due to the constant explosions and massive smoke cloud.

Lets take me for example:
I am a typical American.
I have not committed any horrible offense against humanity.
Therefore I am not worthy of a thread because I am not dry enough tinder to start a flame war.

I wonder if the Chinese government is aware that one of their servants is using their resources to troll Internet forums. I can't believe that they'd be happy about that.

I believe I have written here FOUR TIMES SO FAR that Caucasians are PRIVILEGED in China. It seems that you are very slow at understanding some very simple concepts.

Indeed, I have to always keep up with the West to better explain to my Chinese firneds how an "ordinary/average Westerner" thinks. And you guys on this forum seem to fit this role very well. Well, perhapos you are less educated than average Westerners, being mostly Yanks and not Europeans, but... it'll do... ;)

I believe I have written here FOUR TIMES SO FAR that Caucasians are PRIVILEGED in China. It seems that you are very slow at understanding some very simple concepts.

Indeed, I have to always keep up with the West to better explain to my Chinese firneds how an "ordinary/average Westerner" thinks. And you guys on this forum seem to fit this role very well. Well, perhapos you are less educated than average Westerners, being mostly Yanks and not Europeans, but... it'll do... ;)

In other words, no, they don't know. Avoiding the question only answers it.

Incidentally, do you know what the .co.uk in the URL means?

In other words, no, they don't know. Avoiding the question only answers it.

Incidentally, do you know what the .co.uk in the URL means?

You know, the mods could tell us if he's really in China or not. I'd lay odds he ain't. I'm guessing Nebraska.

You know, the mods could tell us if he's really in China or not. I'd lay odds he ain't. I'm guessing Nebraska.

Im guessing huddled under a bridge spanning Alaska to Siberia.

In other words, no, they don't know. Avoiding the question only answers it.

Incidentally, do you know what the .co.uk in the URL means?

1. As I said: yes they do know -- very much so.

2. That mass murderer Anthony Blair has put the UK back where it belongs: to be a footstool of its former colony.

So here: Nation States main forum has a Yank server, but silly old chitchat is put in the outhouse known as the UK. :rolleyes:

You know, the mods could tell us if he's really in China or not. I'd lay odds he ain't. I'm guessing Nebraska.

Let's bet 7 billion dollars it's China.

Your personal insults do not bother me in the least.

It is you who STARTED with the ad hominem.

I NEVER do it first, but I ALWAYS respond.

He is typical America. Perhaps (indeed probably) more so than you -- that I do not know and do not really care about.

Wow. You sound an awful lot like a Fassigen puppet, with this contempt for Americans and tone of superiority. And even if you're not Fass, you can certainly start a "Death to America" Club with him any Jihadis online.

But hey, you're just another wannabe performance artist saying anything it takes to get a rise out of the American or at least Western members of the forum, whether it's that Timothy McVeigh is a the pinnacle of the American Dream, or that you're a Westerner working for China. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even believe a fraction of the stuff you're spouting right now.

The accepted definition of The American Dream is to achieve success through hard work and perseverance from even the lowliest of positions. What you supposedly call The American Dream is simply an extremely violent method of attention whoring. Terrorists like McVeigh are by their nature attention whores. If nobody cared about the people they killed, their political aims wouldn't even begin to be achieved in the first place. In trying to misrepresent The American Dream as terrorism, you're simply reaffirming that McVeigh was a successful terrorist.

Which falls under "No Shit, Sherlock."

:rolleyes:

It is you who STARTED with the ad hominem.

I NEVER do it first, but I ALWAYS respond.

Word to the wise, don't do it at all.

It is you who STARTED with the ad hominem.

I NEVER do it first, but I ALWAYS respond.

Your arguments led many to believe that you were secretly extolling the nonexistent virtues of McVeigh; what exactly did you expect? Don't tell us that you did not anticipate this.

Stop playing the victim; we are not so easily fooled.

However, I didn't do it first. And whenever you do it, you'll get a slap on your mug in response.

Yes, I was and am extolling the virtues of the ability of an individual to stands alone against the world -- represented by the government of some country (doesn't matter which).

Even when s/he does it for the totally wrong reasons.

However, I didn't do it first. And whenever you do it, you'll get a slap on your mug in response.

Yes, I was and am extolling the virtues of the ability of an individual to stands alone against the world -- represented by the government of some country (doesn't matter which).

Even when s/he does it for the totally wrong reasons.

Ok, did "He did it first" ever work on your parents? Don't expect it to work here, and try not to use the same defense for bad behavior as a five year old.

However, I didn't do it first. And whenever you do it, you'll get a slap on your mug in response.

Yes, I was and am extolling the virtues of the ability of an individual to stands alone against the world -- represented by the government of some country (doesn't matter which).

Even when s/he does it for the totally wrong reasons.

Rebellion for the sake of Rebellion?
You aren't some sort of teenager, are you?

However, I didn't do it first. And whenever you do it, you'll get a slap on your mug in response.

Yes, I was and am extolling the virtues of the ability of an individual to stands alone against the world -- represented by the government of some country (doesn't matter which).

Even when s/he does it for the totally wrong reasons.

So by this definition you ought to be praising George W. Bush for standing alone against the entire world.

So by this definition you ought to be praising George W. Bush for standing alone against the entire world.

Being part of the government, I don't think Drag is counting him.

However, I didn't do it first. And whenever you do it, you'll get a slap on your mug in response.

Yes, I was and am extolling the virtues of the ability of an individual to stands alone against the world -- represented by the government of some country (doesn't matter which).

Even when s/he does it for the totally wrong reasons.

You should have picked a more benign and less inflammatory example, then. By choosing McVeigh, you have singlehandedly destroyed any credibility you may have had.

When you say something questionable, you should expect people to question your character.

I will be leaving now; please do not get yourself banned before I return.

Ok, did "He did it first" ever work on your parents? Don't expect it to work here, and try not to use the same defense for bad behavior as a five year old.

Once again, you are starting ad hominem first, with involving my parents. So I respond: if your parents had not been total failure, they would have at least tried to make a decent human being out of you. Or maybe the miserable wretches were just realistic and gave up seeing you for what you are.

As for "five years old" -- tell that George Bush and Anthony Blair.

Indeed, Bush should have accepted an offhand excuse for 11th September and cut the crap of being a mercenary for Hulliburton.

Of course when McVeigh and Nichols were finally fingered as suspects and then perpetrators and Timmy's facination with The Turner Diaries and possible association with Christian Identity was brought up, no outrage against Christians and no defensive outcry from Christians saying that that's not how true Christians behave and that they condemned such a reprehensible act.

Maybe because Christian Identity idiots are regarded as a lunatic fringe group and despised by other Christians? Followers of C.I. spend more time worshipping white people than they do worshipping God.

So by this definition you ought to be praising George W. Bush for standing alone against the entire world.

Well, Blair and Howard stood beside him. And, dare I say it, "YOU FORGOT POLAND!"

:D

Once again, you are starting ad hominem first, with involving my parents. So I respond: if your parents had not been total failure, they would have at least tried to make a decent human being out of you. Or maybe the miserable wretches were just realistic and gave up seeing you for what you are.

As for "five years old" -- tell that George Bush and Anthony Blair.

Indeed, Bush should have accepted an offhand excuse for 11th September and cut the crap of being a mercenary for Hulliburton.

You really shouldn't use Latin words if you don't know what they mean.

You should have picked a more benign and less inflammatory example, then. By choosing McVeigh, you have singlehandedly destroyed any credibility you may have had.

When you say something questionable, you should expect people to question your character.

I will be leaving now; please do not get yourself banned before I return.

No, you should have learned not to give unsoilicited advice to people what they should or should not do, because you not qualified to do that -- neither by your rather wanting IQ, nor by your non-existant objectivity or knowledge.

And I will be writing as I please and NEVER attack anyone first. But I will also NEVER refrain from replying to the offensive, primitive likes of you.

You really shouldn't use Latin words if you don't know what they mean.

And you really shouldn't use English sentences that mean nothing.

I know very well what Latin words I use mean, as I have had Latin for 2 years in highschool and 2 more years during my undergarduate university studies.

"Ad hominem" means EXACTLY what you did -- attempting in your debilitated, frustrated lack of argument to involve specific PERSONAL information.

Of course you know nothing about me (and indeed little about anything), so you were shooting in the darkness and have hit your foot, but your intent was very much "ad hominem" attack, unrelated to the discussion, idiotic, offensive, despicable...

He was a criminal, but did not merit execution. Interestingly, months after his execution, a worse terrorist attack occurred, as I somewhat predicted.

No, you should have learned not to give unsoilicited advice to people what they should or should not do, because you not qualified to do that -- neither by your rather wanting IQ, nor by your non-existant objectivity or knowledge.

And I will be writing as I please and NEVER attack anyone first. But I will also NEVER refrain from replying to the offensive, primitive likes of you.

Your continued personal attacks reveal your desperation, and lack of a solid argument. It would be in your best interest to take my advice, unsolicited it may be.

This thread really has no reason to exist.

He was a criminal, but did not merit execution. Interestingly, months after his execution, a worse terrorist attack occurred, as I somewhat predicted.

Ah, you are a soothsayer?

Supporting a junkie who committed terrorism due mainly to drug induced paranoid fantasies, does not look good for you, since you are then agreeing with drug induced fantasies.

Your continued personal attacks reveal your desperation, and lack of a solid argument. It would be in your best interest to take my advice, unsolicited it may be.

This thread really has no reason to exist.

However, it was you STARTED these personal attacks, and -- AS I HAVE EXPLAINED -- for each of them you are getting a slap back.

Otherwise, this thread DOES have a reason to exist, but if you are incapable of understanding it, feel free to withdraw back to wherever you crawled under at any time. Rest assured that you won't be missed at all.

Supporting a junkie who committed terrorism due mainly to drug induced paranoid fantasies, does not look good for you, since you are then agreeing with drug induced fantasies.

And you have sold drugs to Mc Veigh so you know he was a "junkie"? Or did some propaganda machine feed you that? And about his "paranoid fantasies", you knwo what they were? Before it happened? Or again when the CNN/BBC spoonfed you their "truth"?

Indeed you make me think of those who lived a couple of miles from concentration camps crematoria, but "thought the smell came from the army burning kitchen trash".

Indeed, I have to always keep up with the West to better explain to my Chinese firneds how an "ordinary/average Westerner" thinks. And you guys on this forum seem to fit this role very well. Well, perhapos you are less educated than average Westerners, being mostly Yanks and not Europeans, but... it'll do... ;)

Um, cheeseless one, you should be aware of the fact that the yanks here on NSG fall primarily in the Far Left category, and thus are representative of nothing about the west. Plus, Americans are no majority here. You've bickered with plenty of Europeans here as well.

Of course, I don't beleive that you are anything other than a trolling puppet of someone who had a clever concept, but had no grasp of how to write an effective troll.

And you have sold drugs to Mc Veigh so you know he was a "junkie"? Or did some propaganda machine feed you that? And about his "paranoid fantasies", you knwo what they were? Before it happened? Or again when the CNN/BBC spoonfed you their "truth"?


Is that supposed to be an argument? How about you look it up on the Internet? Oh I forgot, your god awful government censors truth on the Internet.

Is that supposed to be an argument? How about you look it up on the Internet? Oh I forgot, your god awful government censors truth on the Internet.

I can see him saying next that there is no truth on the internet.

Was he a good lone wolf fighting against the vile ones, or a despicable murderer?

loone wolf because the american "statelets of a belt bewteen mehico and can."(lol) have killed lots of peopel over time, like indians how you said, as well as also africans with slavery.

he was standing up for the rights of people that dont have a chnace any more

liek you say, no government supporters of bad government are innocent of what the government does

Okay, you're so incredibly obviously a puppet it's not even funny.

Okay, you're so incredibly obviously a puppet it's not even funny.

I think there is a thread for these kind of things.

Funny new guy.

Ya'll don't be mean to him, can't you see ur hurtin' him lil feelin's?