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At least eight people were killed when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a school (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

Fucking gun culture is getting disgusting.

At least eight people were killed when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a school (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

Fucking gun culture is getting disgusting.


They have as nearly as many shooters per head as the yanks. How many other school shootings have you heard of in Finland?

I hope he pulls through. I'm tired of these guys getting to off themselves and not face what they've done.

EDIT: Medical officials told CNN affiliate MTVsurreal.

They have as nearly as many shooters per head as the yanks. How many other school shootings have you heard of in Finland?

Just wanted to see how many people blamed the US for this one, but you just had to ruin that on the first reply! Oy.

Just wanted to see how many people blamed the US for this one, but you just had to ruin that on the first reply! Oy.

My apologies. Old age has made me look before leaping. Usually.

Yeah, dude, this is Finland, they have almost no scho--

I mean, BAN GUNS IN USA LOL

Unfortuante....I, like Nodina, hope that he pulls through to face what he's done and to be asked about his actions.


After that they can do whatever the hell they want with that filth.

I just searched his youtube acount and he has some weird videos on there.... all of which have been removed so that you can't watch them, but you cans till see what they are.

Anyway, I hope that the injured recover and to the dead, there are no words, only thoughts.

I blame violent Finnish video games. :mad:

Unfortuante....I, like Nodina, hope that he pulls through to face what he's done and to be asked about his actions.


Ahem.

They have as nearly as many shooters per head as the yanks. How many other school shootings have you heard of in Finland?

This is their first, according to CNN.

Ahem.
.....? Yes?

This is their first, according to CNN.
In 1989 a guy shot two of his classmates in a school in Finland as 'a retaliation of being bullied by them'. So not the first, iirc.

Oye this is unusual. I sure as hell hope he survives to face the justice he deserves.

I sure as hell hope he survives to face the justice he deserves.
According to the news he put one in his own head. The doctors say that the chances of his survival are minimal. When doctors say that...

According to the news he put one in his own head. The doctors say that the chances of his survival are minimal. When doctors say that...

So even if he lives, his activities will probably consist of pooping, drooling and eating strained carrots. If he lives, I wonder if somewhere inside that, the motherfucker will be screaming and pleading for death. God can be a real asshole like that sometimes. ;)

So even if he lives, his activities will probably consist of pooping, drooling and eating strained carrots. If he lives, I wonder if somewhere inside that, the motherfucker will be screaming and pleading for death. God can be a real asshole like that sometimes. ;)

Yeah, but usually to something or someone like a blameless bastard who was ferrying sick children to the Circus for free because he likes helping people. Not that that kind of thing confirms my Atheism and cynical nature, or anything....

According to the news he put one in his own head. The doctors say that the chances of his survival are minimal. When doctors say that...

I know but still...

So even if he lives, his activities will probably consist of pooping, drooling and eating strained carrots. If he lives, I wonder if somewhere inside that, the motherfucker will be screaming and pleading for death. God can be a real asshole like that sometimes. ;)

and then one day while at a bridge, he figures out the control of his wheelchair.... and then his nurse stops him before sweet relief is brought to him in a form of suicide. ;)

Yeah, but usually to something or someone like a blameless bastard who was ferrying sick children to the Circus for free because he likes helping people. Not that that kind of thing confirms my Atheism and cynical nature, or anything....

Yeah, that's what that bastard gets for donating half his income to orphans-- orphans with diseases. Maybe that'll teach him that he better be a selfish bastard like everybody else like God wants!

Oh, that's harsh LG. I'm kinda hoping he'd pull through. Would make an interesting specimen for studies.

At least eight people were killed when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a school (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

Fucking gun culture is getting disgusting.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/johnnybmetal/not_this_shit_again.jpg

What's with people and blowing up schools?

I blame violent Finnish video games. :mad:

Weirdly enough, Max Payne was made by Finnish developers.

Sad story. Only good thing is that it's the first ever school shooting in Finland. Hope it'll be the last too...

Ummm...

In 1989 a guy shot two of his classmates in a school in Finland as 'a retaliation of being bullied by them'. So not the first, iirc.

Sad story. Only good thing is that it's the first ever school shooting in Finland. Hope it'll be the last too...

Finland is becoming more American all the time, now we have school shootings too. I wonder when we'll join the damn NATO. That would be the last straw :mad:

Finland is becoming more American all the time, now we have school shootings too. I wonder when we'll join the damn NATO. That would be the last straw :mad:
Last straw before you'd go on a killing spree?

Finland is becoming more American all the time, now we have school shootings too. I wonder when we'll join the damn NATO. That would be the last straw :mad:

Nice rant. Did you know that 40% of the nation owns a firearm?

Nice rant. Did you know that 40% of the nation owns a firearm?

98% has Vodka :)

Haha, see? Not only in America.

At least eight people were killed when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a school (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

Fucking gun culture is getting disgusting.

I don't think it's useful to blame "gun culture" as such. If your grief is with our trent toward ever more violent and graphic entertainment media, I won't argue. But if you're talking about gun enthusiasts, collectors, hunters, etc you're way off base.

I don't blame video games and I don't blame music or any of the other outlets. I think the problem is that we, as a culture (and I mean everybody, not just those in a particular part of the world) are beginning to value human life less and less. I think violent video games and such are a reflection of that, not the cause.

It also doesn't help that the news media just loves a good violent story, and this sort of thing is on the verge of being considered commonplace, which doesn't help.

Hmmm... Another school student imitating what the US government does the world over.

And you wonder about what exactly?

Why it is that all religions (both polytheistic and monotheistic) have some variation of the formula: "As a society sows, so doeth it reep" or something else?

Ummm...

Um yes.

The shooting, believed to be the first of its kind in Finland's history,
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html

Murders in schools and universities are increasing in number, although this was the first such event in Finland.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21673646/

Despite Finland having the world's third-highest per capita gun ownership, violent incidents are rare at Finnish schools. According to Finnish media, there have been four stabbings at schools since 1999. None of these were fatal.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/11/08/1194329328728.html?page=2
No mention of shootings in this last one..

So yeah. I stand by my statement. http://209.85.12.231/11055/49/emo/sleep.gif

I think his shirt was very appropriate for the situation.

This (http://www.corriere.it/) is where I first saw the article, and it has a picture of the shooter.

Auvinen published a manifesto online demanding war on the "weak-minded masses" and pledged to die for his cause.
lol

In the rambling text posted on the site, Auvinen said that he is "a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist."
Fucking WOW! :| x100


Shooting appeared to have been planned in series of YouTube videos
Damn you YouTube!! First our shows, now our children!!1!

(^) HA! I've always wanted to be one of the first on an (let's face it) inevitable media/political bandwagon. Just to see what it was like, the YouTube wagon should work just fine. ;)

But really though, "planned"!? It makes it sound like he never could have pulled it off without YouTube...

So yeah. I stand by my statement. http://209.85.12.231/11055/49/emo/sleep.gif
I wouldn't if I were you. You can go on and translate this (http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/24h/id74398.html) if you don't believe me, but essentially it says in 1989 a guy shot two of his classmates in Raumanmeri School in Finland.

EDIT: Ahh! In english (http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id74423.html)

Even still the video was placed on YouTube about 2 weeks before the massacre went off and somewhat 200.000 watchers managed to already see it.

I don't know, how many of them were finnish. I didn't see the video myself, but anyways - No-one had a simple idea about calling the police about it?

EDIT:

New information from the finnish news:

The shooter died to his wounds. Got away with it... *frown*

lol


Fucking WOW! :| x100



Damn you YouTube!! First our shows, now our children!!1!
Yes well... He had a manifesto. That's so wickedly 1970's kinda cool, I'll give him that.

Police said Auvinen is from Tuusula and who acted alone. He had no previous criminal record and had never threatened anyone from the school before, they added.

And that's why giving guns to ANYONE is a risk.

Also, there are two types of school shootings: one is where someone shoots a specific target (or targets), while the other is where they'll shoot at everyone (or almost everyone) they see.

Sorry but I can almost guarrenty that there will be a snap reaction that will limit everyone elses rights to gun ownership.
There are plenty of responcible target shooters out there who enjoy the challenge of their sport. The real question should be why did such a little f**k nut have a gunin the first place. Hes not even old enough to have left school yet.

PS. Im emglish not american and our government messed up the whole dun blane/ hungerford incident so my cynicism is well founded.

sorry rant over ;)

according to cnn, the gun was purchased legally.

Clearly, we should outlaw all guns. Everywhere.

I wouldn't if I were you. You can go on and translate this (http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/24h/id74398.html) if you don't believe me, but essentially it says in 1989 a guy shot two of his classmates in Raumanmeri School in Finland.

EDIT: Ahh! In english (http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id74423.html)

Well thanks, now that someone provides a link, I could change my mind. :)

The story seems to be a targeting of two individuals rather than a random school shooting, which is more what I was thinking aboout, but meh. Details, details. ;)

according to cnn, the gun was purchased legally.

soory your right he was 18. But the fact he had a liecence begs questions

Sorry but I can almost guarrenty that there will be a snap reaction that will limit everyone elses rights to gun ownership.
I'm almost certain there won't be such a reaction, we are very avid hunters. Most of the many many guns Finns own are hunting rifles and shotguns. More screening, perhaps...

BBC gun facts:


5.2 million population
World's third highest gun ownership
56 guns per 100 people
Low rate of gun violence
Guns used in 14% of homicides

Oh. Didn't know that. Thought a school shooting is something including somebody shooting in a school resulting somebody being dead.

I guess we haven't had any school shootings before, then.

Actually, a school shooting is when someone walks/runs/limps/crawls/moves physically into a school, presumeably with a gun, and fires the gun, thus 'shooting' in the school.

Oh. Didn't know that. Thought a school shooting is something including somebody shooting in a school resulting somebody being dead.

I guess we haven't had any school shootings before, then.

A question of definitions. But yeah :)

Also, there are two types of school shootings: one is where someone shoots a specific target (or targets), while the other is where they'll shoot at everyone (or almost everyone) they see.
Oh. Didn't know that. Thought a school shooting is something including somebody shooting in a school resulting somebody being dead.

I guess we haven't had any school shootings before, then.

Hmm...

If a college degree (acredited colleges only, of course) was a prerequisite for buying a gun, then (A) gun ownership would decrease, (B) there'd be more college graduates, and (C) there'd be fewer school shootings. Sounds like a win-win-win scenario to me.

...pardon me, I have an NSG issue to create~

Hmm...

If a college degree (acredited colleges only, of course) was a prerequisite for buying a gun, then (A) gun ownership would decrease, (B) there'd be more college graduates, and (C) there'd be fewer school shootings. Sounds like a win-win-win scenario to me.

...pardon me, I have an NSG issue to create~

and the production of forged degrees will rise. I think we'd see an increase of graduate from the Bob Jones University of Redneck Studies.

I really feel bad for the victims and their families. Our hearts and prayers go out to our Finnish friends.


I can't believe that I forgot this in my first post.

The guy died a little over an hour ago.

The guy died a little over an hour ago.

Damn! He died for his cause! I was hoping he'll live as poetic justice. Alwell.

Damn! He died for his cause! I was hoping he'll live as poetic justice. Alwell.

Actually, he committed suicide for his 'cause'. Which is even more pathetic really. Hard to have a 'cause' when yer dead.

Even if he had made it, there wouldn't have been much to face. 2 manslaughters (and this guy commited 8) = life in prison, which in Finland is 20 years. He could still have gone on with his life after that.

My heart goes out to the families of the victims as not only do they have loved ones hurt or dead but now the do not get justice either. I must blame violent video, games irresponcible gun manufacturers and equally irresponcible parents for the cause of any and all deaths caused either by school shootings or by children accidently shooting themselves with a gun.

Hmmm... Another school student imitating what the US government does the world over.

And you wonder about what exactly?

Why it is that all religions (both polytheistic and monotheistic) have some variation of the formula: "As a society sows, so doeth it reep" or something else?

Well I don't know what to say, either you have some pathetic agenda against the US, and insist on tastelessly dropping in the same old predictable pseud "zomg tehmerica" rant in every thread you see, even if it doesn't have anything to do with the USA. Or you are so far up your own arse, so full of it, that you didn't click on the link and made a blind assumption (blind by which you are under the illusion that you actually know what you are talking about) that it was an American event. Either way, you are indeed a moron.

life in prison, which in Finland is 20 years.

Just twelve, actually.

Oh. Didn't know that. Thought a school shooting is something including somebody shooting in a school resulting somebody being dead.

I guess we haven't had any school shootings before, then.

Although the Rauma incident technically qualifies as a school shooting, there is a clear difference between the two cases. One was at least marginally rational and justified, whereas the other was just a random act of violence with no purpose other than to kill a bunch of people.

Although the Rauma incident technically qualifies as a school shooting, there is a clear difference between the two cases. One was at least marginally rational and justified, whereas the other was just a random act of violence with no purpose other than to kill a bunch of people.
Okay, got it; There's a clear difference, because the other was marginally justified. I just couldn't make the distinction which, in hindsight, is clear. ;)

So Europe does have emo punks too. Or maybe news takes awhile to get to Finland and this is just a copycat attack. ;)

.....? Yes?
Check your attributation...and yes, it's a word now...
Hmmm... Another school student imitating what the US government does the world over.

And you wonder about what exactly?

Why it is that all religions (both polytheistic and monotheistic) have some variation of the formula: "As a society sows, so doeth it reep" or something else?

He was after the school's oil?

Okay, got it; There's a clear difference, because the other was marginally justified. I just couldn't make the distinction which, in hindsight, is clear. ;)

Good we got that clarified. Yes, some justification is clearly much better than no justification at all. :)

Finland has terrible food and a very high suicide rate.

This has nothing to do with the topic, I just wanted to attack finland's culture.

Good we got that clarified. Yes, some justification is clearly much better than no justification at all. :)
Sure, whatever. To me, that looks like another artificial distinction, but if that's the norm: meh.

Finland has terrible food and a very high suicide rate.

This has nothing to do with the topic, I just wanted to attack finland's culture.
If that was all you wanted to do, I guess you've done moderately well. Congrats!

(I would have suggested they all committed suicide because of the poor, free, school food myself. It would have been even more silly)

Hmmm... I just hope we get a day off school for this, so that there would be at least something positive resulting of that sickhead's actions.

....irresponcible gun manufacturers....

I am not irresponsible (except with money, but that's not related to the topic at hand)!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

And why don't you place the blame where it belongs? The shooter is the only one responsible for this tragedy.

I am not irresponsible (except with money, but that's not related to the topic at hand)!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

And why don't you place the blame where it belongs? The shooter is the only one responsible for this tragedy.

Look whose talking. (not me you...him, look at him!)
Your very name suggests the heathen art of firearms creation.
The leading cause of death from being shot by someone is due to a firearm being fired.
Were you aware of that?
Or do you ignore it, out of malice, spite, a hatred for all life that stems from your insidious, dark, black-powder soul?

Look whose talking. (not me you...him, look at him!)
Your very name suggests the heathen art of firearms creation.
The leading cause of death from being shot by someone is due to a firearm being fired.
Were you aware of that?
Or do you ignore it, out of malice, spite, a hatred for all life that stems from your insidious, dark, black-powder soul?

The leading cause of a knife wound is a stabbing knife. Ban all knifes now! Think of the children!

I personally keep knife handle locks on all my knifes just in case.

The leading cause of a knife wound is a stabbing knife. Ban all knifes now! Think of the children!

I personally keep knife handle locks on all my knifes just in case.

Yes! Brother, join us as we chant outside of cutlery stores everywhere and knife random passerby to show them the pain of the victims!

For the Childreeeeeeeennnn!

Look whose talking. (not me you...him, look at him!)
Your very name suggests the heathen art of firearms creation.
The leading cause of death from being shot by someone is due to a firearm being fired.
Were you aware of that?
Or do you ignore it, out of malice, spite, a hatred for all life that stems from your insidious, dark, black-powder soul?

My name is from when I attempted to role play in the Sound and Fury forums. However, I am also a firearms owner. I haven't made any firearms (I did assemble my AR-15 out of a completed lower receiver and a completed upper receiver, but that was a matter of pushing in a couple of pins). BTW, the leading cause of firearms death is people taking an inanimate object and using it against an individual.

And my soul isn't insidious, dark, or made from black powder.

My name is from when I attempted to role play in the Sound and Fury forums. However, I am also a firearms owner. I haven't made any firearms (I did assemble my AR-15 out of a completed lower receiver and a completed upper receiver, but that was a matter of pushing in a couple of pins). BTW, the leading cause of firearms death is people taking an inanimate object and using it against an individual.

And my soul isn't insidious, dark, or made from black powder.

I really need to work on my sarcasm. I forget sometimes that some NSGers actually sound like that...

Unfortuante....I, like Nodina, hope that he pulls through to face what he's done and to be asked about his actions.


According to the article in the op, he's already dead, a condition I'm told is extremely difficult to pull through barring use deus ex machina. And as prodigious as these devices are in fiction, the real world is somewhat lacking in them.

This wouldnt have happened, if we'd just ban schools.

Finland has terrible food and a very high suicide rate.

This has nothing to do with the topic, I just wanted to attack finland's culture.
I'm sure his true motive the crappy school food. I bet you're Swedish.

Just twelve, actually.



Life in prison is life in prison. BUT usually the President (who, until 2006, was the only person with the power) has granted parole after 12-14 years in prison. Since 2006 also Helsinki Hovioikeus (court of appeal?) has had the power.

Actually, he committed suicide for his 'cause'. Which is even more pathetic really. Hard to have a 'cause' when yer dead.

I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.
Obviously his death was just underlining his cause. If he wouldn't have seen himself as disgrace of human race he wouldn't have killed himself...

By the way. Did anyone notice that yesterday was the anniversary of the October Revolution?

I really need to work on my sarcasm. I forget sometimes that some NSGers actually sound like that...

I wish I could more easily detect sarcasm on the forums. I don't know how many times I'll respond to someone, and they'll point out that they were being sarcastic. :(

I hope he pulls through. I'm tired of these guys getting to off themselves and not face what they've done.

EDIT: surreal.

Yeah. They should be put on trial and killed by someone else.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/fitzsimmons.jpg
It'll work for Finland too.

Actually, he committed suicide for his 'cause'. Which is even more pathetic really. Hard to have a 'cause' when yer dead.

Yeah. Dying for a cause is stupid. School shootings like this idiot, the 9/11 hijackers, the thousands of anonymous suicide bombers, the Branch Davidians... the list goes on.

You know where the blame for all this squarely sits? The same place all the problems of the modern world come from. Christianity. Every day, and in earnest every week, billions of Christians glamorize Christs dying for his cause. From Hollywood elites like Mel Gibson to those troublemakers in Iraq from Korea.

People need to stand up and tell these Christians to stop encouraging our children to kill themselves.

Yeah. Dying for a cause is stupid. School shootings like this idiot, the 9/11 hijackers, the thousands of anonymous suicide bombers, the Branch Davidians... the list goes on.

You know where the blame for all this squarely sits? The same place all the problems of the modern world come from. Christianity. Every day, and in earnest every week, billions of Christians glamorize Christs dying for his cause. From Hollywood elites like Mel Gibson to those troublemakers in Iraq from Korea.

People need to stand up and tell these Christians to stop encouraging our children to kill themselves.

Actually, although entire incident is a tragic one, one point, where I couldn't hold my laugh was, that this guy failed to even kill himself properly although he had just successfully shot 8 people.

The entire event took place 11:45 in the morning GMT+2, he pulls the gun and does his stuff... And attempts to kill himself. Ok... He fails! He spends about 12 hours in Töölö, most likely lights out... Only then he dies.

He should've stayed alive, though... Suicide is the most sincere proof, that one is purely selfish - And a coward...

What i want to know from the posters on this board is why is the first posts about this event were guns are the ebil and the shooter should live so he can suffer more. Did it ever occur to you that this highschool student had a mental illness and the problem isnt guns or not severe enough punishments in the world? The fact that he posted a video about his intentions AHEAD of time is a clear as bell indication that he was crying out for help in his own sick way. Nothing excuses anyone shooting anyone anytime but dont you think that maybe the first posts we make about an incident like this shouldnt be about guns and punishment but more about how did this child get this sick with no help?

What i want to know from the posters on this board is why is the first posts about this event were guns are the ebil and the shooter should live so he can suffer more. Did it ever occur to you that this highschool student had a mental illness and the problem isnt guns or not severe enough punishments in the world? The fact that he posted a video about his intentions AHEAD of time is a clear as bell indication that he was crying out for help in his own sick way. Nothing excuses anyone shooting anyone anytime but dont you think that maybe the first posts we make about an incident like this shouldnt be about guns and punishment but more about how did this child get this sick with no help?

It should be noted that the local media is treating the case by reporting 9 dead in school shooting. They in a way include the shooter as a victim.

It should be noted that the local media is treating the case by reporting 9 dead in school shooting. They in a way include the shooter as a victim.

Huh? He's dead, isn't he. Dead does not equal victim.

He also tried to burn one of the victims (after killing him/her) but failed.

He should've stayed alive, though... Suicide is the most sincere proof, that one is purely selfish - And a coward...

I hope your talking about this case and not suicide in general.

soory your right he was 18. But the fact he had a liecence begs questions

He wanted a license for a 9mm but couldn't get it. He had a license for a .22 for target shooting.

In this case, yes.

Anyways, according to the latest piece of info from the Police in Finland, Auvinen had over 360 bullets in his possession and he had also covered the school walls with gasoline earlier. Though he failed to ignite the school, all dead victims were shot at close range.

Apparently he was going to systematically execute everyone in there. What was it, 400 something students + the staff?

In this case, yes.

Anyways, according to the latest piece of info from the Police in Finland, Auvinen had over 360 bullets in his possession and he had also covered the school walls with gasoline earlier. Though he failed to ignite the school, all dead victims were shot at close range.

Apparently he was going to systematically execute everyone in there. What was it, 400 something students + the staff?

This kid thought he's above everybody else. I bet he was certain that he could do more damage (not that 8 people isn't enough...) but maybe, just maybe, he wasn't that "great" after all.

To be honest, I've wondered why these killing sprees usually end with relatively few victims. Do you know what I mean, 400 students, 8 victims. Perhaps killing isn't that easy after all, even if you've totally lost it.

So even if he lives, his activities will probably consist of pooping, drooling and eating strained carrots. If he lives, I wonder if somewhere inside that, the motherfucker will be screaming and pleading for death. God can be a real asshole like that sometimes. ;)

I actually feel sorry for kids driven to school shootings. The mental requisite to shooting up a school is one for which I have immense pity; hell, attempting to understand why this happens, and why it never seems to be jocks/sporty kids/ typically stupid yet celebrated muscle bound zombies, might actually be of more merit than endlessly discussing gun control.

The shooter was pretty interesting personality.
He idealized both nazis and Americans, he was bullied at school and he got perfect grades from many subjects (no, we don´t teach school shooting in schools :rolleyes:).
What I am wondering is that all posters in this thread are very keen to judge Auvinen. No school shooter has been mentally healthy, and this case makes no difference. And now people have started to think about compulsory psychology test to all school students. Expensive, ineffective and just plain annoying. It is impossible to tell if one is mentally ill just like that. I feel that Auvinen was smart, and that no one could have ever guessed that he was going to shoot people (counting out Youtube videos).
I have no emotions about this and the huge media interest on this is ridiculous. Every second somewhere someone dies for an easily preventable cause. Still not many silent moments are held for them. In our school we had a one minute silent moment for the 9 dead in Tuusula. If we kept at the same rate a silent moment for all the vainly dead we couldn´t speak at all.

Yeah. Dying for a cause is stupid. School shootings like this idiot, the 9/11 hijackers, the thousands of anonymous suicide bombers, the Branch Davidians... the list goes on.

You know where the blame for all this squarely sits? The same place all the problems of the modern world come from. Christianity. Every day, and in earnest every week, billions of Christians glamorize Christs dying for his cause. From Hollywood elites like Mel Gibson to those troublemakers in Iraq from Korea.

People need to stand up and tell these Christians to stop encouraging our children to kill themselves.

Yeah, because Christianity is the only ideology that has ever had martyrs, ever! :rolleyes:

I blame violent Finnish video games. :mad:

Like Max Payne?

He entered the school with 500 rounds. 69 cartridges was found. He shot one kid 20 times... 5 boys between the ages of 16-18, a woman of 25, one woman of 43, and one of 61.


Oh ya, and he apparently was a /b/tard.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/517/517514/massakreX3_1194450167_1194450183.jpg

Obviously his death was just underlining his cause. If he wouldn't have seen himself as disgrace of human race he wouldn't have killed himself...

Well he only managed to kill eight people, maybe he realised that he hadn't brought enough ammo to kill all the idiots and failures on this stupid rock, so he shot himself.

I actually feel sorry for kids driven to school shootings. The mental requisite to shooting up a school is one for which I have immense pity; hell, attempting to understand why this happens, and why it never seems to be jocks/sporty kids/ typically stupid yet celebrated muscle bound zombies, might actually be of more merit than endlessly discussing gun control.

I'll agree with the second half of this. Blaming the gun or music or any other one factor is really taking the easy way out and doesn't really solve anything. The problem... or should I say, problems are clearly broader and deeper and these kids' ability to get help coping with them is severely lacking.

But I don't feel sorry for them. Mass murder-suicide is a despicably selfish response to those stresses. I favor self-mutilation as a cry for help. I can respect that. *nod*

Oh ya, and he apparently was a /b/tard.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/517/517514/massakreX3_1194450167_1194450183.jpg

Perhaps he lost his iPod.

If i had to take a guess i would say most of this stuff is being caused by the drug companys seeings as at lest in america the FDA regularly lets drugs pass that are far worse for mental stability then LSD, but thats just my guess i know little of finnland.

i don't see how the disasterous consiquences of aggressiveness can be expected to not occur as long as aggressiveness is romantacized and rewarded.

any time you have a so called conservative regeme in power, real crime rates increase. only when you have a less 'conservative', so called libral rule of of law, do you see them come back down.

i don't care how counter intuitive anyone may claim that to be, any statistic that has been maintained honestly will bear that out.

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He entered the school with 500 rounds. 69 cartridges was found. He shot one kid 20 times... 5 boys between the ages of 16-18, a woman of 25, one woman of 43, and one of 61.


Oh ya, and he apparently was a /b/tard.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/517/517514/massakreX3_1194450167_1194450183.jpg

I suspect shooping, but can't prove it. /b/ is fond of taking credit for such things. The pixels are good. The dates match. Not sure about the time. If it's GMT then he posted that 3 hours before the police arrived at the school, which works out as 8am local time, which is possible.

Wait, that 'AN FINNISH HERO' thing was a 07:02:10. If that's GMT then it was posted before he died. This strengthens my suspicions of shooping/this whole thing being after the fact

I suspect shooping, but can't prove it. /b/ is fond of taking credit for such things. The pixels are good. The dates match. Not sure about the time. If it's GMT then he posted that 3 hours before the police arrived at the school, which works out as 8am local time, which is possible.

Wait, that 'AN FINNISH HERO' thing was a 07:02:10. If that's GMT then it was posted before he died. This strengthens my suspicions of shooping/this whole thing being after the fact
Meh, it simply being /b/ is enough to remove any serious credibility. Maybe it is real, but a jpg like that is way too easy to fake to consider it evidence.

Meh, it simply being /b/ is enough to remove any serious credibility.
True.

any time you have a so called conservative regeme in power, real crime rates increase. only when you have a less 'conservative', so called libral rule of of law, do you see them come back down.

i don't care how counter intuitive anyone may claim that to be, any statistic that has been maintained honestly will bear that out.

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Ever hear of Guliani and his tenure as mayor in NYC? Thanks for playing and come back and try again anytime.

Ever hear of Guliani and his tenure as mayor in NYC? Thanks for playing and come back and try again anytime.Giuliani is hardly a posterboy for traditional conservatism...

Giuliani is hardly a posterboy for traditional conservatism...

Well he appears to be the person with the highest approval ratings in his entire party so he must be a posterboy for alot of conservatives somewhere.

I'm sure his true motive the crappy school food. I bet you're Swedish.I'm american.

And it's not just the school food. Finland's diet is almost as fattening as americas, and it doesn't taste good.

Games.... # of players versus number of school shootings? So what your saying is that all the other kids are just wimps because if they weren't, they obviously would be killing people too.

Guns.... First, who cares if its registered? They've always been available, and will be. Drugs are illegal in US.... So surely no one here has smoked pot, correct? No one drinking and driving!
Second, if you were going to rob a bank, would you prefer to rob one that was armed or unarmed?

The good news is.... Whoever he proposes was his maker, that being will have plenty of time for recreational shooting, because it won't take a coin flip to determine this kids destiny!

Plain and simple, its his fault. He chose, and, after killing others, he paid. Hopefully, he still is.

Much love to all!

I suspect shooping, but can't prove it. /b/ is fond of taking credit for such things. The pixels are good. The dates match. Not sure about the time. If it's GMT then he posted that 3 hours before the police arrived at the school, which works out as 8am local time, which is possible.

Wait, that 'AN FINNISH HERO' thing was a 07:02:10. If that's GMT then it was posted before he died. This strengthens my suspicions of shooping/this whole thing being after the fact
I actually hope you're right and the media that reported it is dead wrong. :)

I was waiting for you to comment on it! You took your time! :p