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Should soda be allowed back in (US) schools?

Kontor
07-11-2007, 07:04
Should they? I say yes, what do you say?

Edit: Allowed back as in soda machines, you know, you give a buck you get a can.
Trollgaard
07-11-2007, 07:05
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda
InGen Bioengineering
07-11-2007, 07:06
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda

It depends on where you live. In Minnesota, for example, people call it pop.
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 07:09
It depends on where you live. In Minnesota, for example, people call it pop.

...and people from Minnesota are wrong and evil.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 07:09
In my area people call it coke, but some people could confuse that with coka-cola so I used soda.
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 07:11
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda

Yeah, if you're a dork...(sorry, it just sounds completely silly to call it pop. I'm sure it doesn't actually make you a dork...just sound like one

To the op-to be clear, as I understand it the only ban was that they couldn't sell soda in schools, not that soda as a whole was banned.

I think that there is a fair enough line between allowing and effectively endorsing.
InGen Bioengineering
07-11-2007, 07:13
...and people from Minnesota are wrong and evil.

What's wrong with that? :D

*runs*
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 07:14
What's wrong with that? :D

*runs*

Evil is evil is evil.

Did you know that Pol Pot was born in Minnesota, and went to the University of Minnesota (where he majored in
Genocide)?

Evil, I say!
Eureka Australis
07-11-2007, 07:18
It's not soda, it's soft drink.
InGen Bioengineering
07-11-2007, 07:18
Evil is evil is evil.

Did you know that Pol Pot was born in Minnesota, and went to the University of Minnesota (where he majored in
Genocide)?

Evil, I say!

:eek:
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 07:19
It's not soda, it's soft drink.

Australians are evil, too. Just cuz.
Boonytopia
07-11-2007, 07:47
It's not soda, it's soft drink.

Correct! :)
Wilgrove
07-11-2007, 07:48
They were banned in my old high school because idiots didn't pick up after themselves and pretty much littered all around the school.
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 07:49
:eek:

Did I mention he minored in Art History?
Miiros
07-11-2007, 07:52
Pop should definitely be allowed back. It is part of youth culture. The caffeine and sugar is what keeps them alive. Whomever wants to ban pop from schools supports the systematic crippling and eradication of young people. =P

And it is SO called pop. I don't care what so-called "sane" people keep trying to tell me.
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 07:59
I live in Minnesota..and I call it soda.

...and you are Evil. EVIL!


Actually, I call it pop too. But Minnesota is still EVIL!
Damaske
07-11-2007, 07:59
It depends on where you live. In Minnesota, for example, people call it pop.

I live in Minnesota..and I call it soda.
Damaske
07-11-2007, 08:06
...and you are Evil. EVIL!
damn straight I am!! Thats how I like it. Muahahahahahaha!!!
Gartref
07-11-2007, 08:10
Should soda be allowed back in (US) schools?

Only if it's caustic.
Flaming Brickdom
07-11-2007, 08:18
soda allowed back?
i was unaware that it ever left.....

or mabe my school just doesnt enforce soda laws very well....

and yes, it IS soda, you strange people and your "pop."
at least in arizona it is...
The South Islands
07-11-2007, 08:22
soda allowed back?
i was unaware that it ever left.....

or mabe my school just doesnt enforce soda laws very well....

and yes, it IS soda, you strange people and your "pop."
at least in arizona it is...

Arizona is Evil.
Cheese penguins
07-11-2007, 08:50
What got rid of the machines in the fist place? :(
CharlieCat
07-11-2007, 08:51
Arizona is Evil.

No it's strawberries that are evil - having the seeds on the outside that they can send out to do their bidding
InGen Bioengineering
07-11-2007, 08:53
I live in Minnesota..and I call it soda.

Interesting.

Where in Minnesota, if you don't my asking?
CthulhuFhtagn
07-11-2007, 09:38
It left?
Itzotica
07-11-2007, 09:57
It should remain out of schools. It has no nutritional value and there are multiple alternatives to soda. I wouldn't mind if the students brought in their own plastic bottle although cans are banned.
BackwoodsSquatches
07-11-2007, 11:08
Yes, it should.

and its "pop". or "a pop".

If you ask for a coke.....you'll get a coke.

It is so very much "pop".

Conform.
Ifreann
07-11-2007, 11:19
It left?
Hah, sucks to go to school in America.
It should remain out of schools. It has no nutritional value

Hopefully at some point today I will buy some manner of 'soda' and transcribe the nutritional information for you. But I'll tell you this now, it has plenty of sugar.
Dundee-Fienn
07-11-2007, 11:26
Yes, it should.

and its "pop". or "a pop".

If you ask for a coke.....you'll get a coke.

It is so very much "pop".

Conform.

Pfft it's quite obviously fizzy drink

*Rebels*
BackwoodsSquatches
07-11-2007, 11:33
Pfft it's quite obviously fizzy drink

*Rebels*

You and your effervescant beverages will be assimilated!
Vetalia
07-11-2007, 11:59
Sure. If kids want to drink soda, let them do it...they've got to learn moderation at one point or another. Besides, banning it just encourages them to drink it more often because it's banned in school. This kind of nanny-state crap doesn't work and it never will.
Ifreann
07-11-2007, 12:04
I went to school in America.

I stand by my comment.
Dundee-Fienn
07-11-2007, 12:05
Sure. If kids want to drink soda, let them do it...they've got to learn moderation at one point or another. Besides, banning it just encourages them to drink it more often because it's banned in school. This kind of nanny-state crap doesn't work and it never will.

The difference being that the drink itself isn't being banned in schools just its sale
CthulhuFhtagn
07-11-2007, 12:05
Hah, sucks to go to school in America.

I went to school in America.
Risottia
07-11-2007, 12:07
Should they? I say yes, what do you say?

Edit: Allowed back as in soda machines, you know, you give a buck you get a can.

No way. Selling soda in schools means:
1.saying "school tells you kids soda is good for you" while it is almost universally acknowledged that soda is one of the typical component of an unbalanced, unhealty diet;
2.selling food items at schools introduces another status symbol system in schools (I'm richer than you, I got 1 $ so I can buy a soda and you don't, you loser - yes, kids do that to each other), which is totally against any education principle.
Chandelier
07-11-2007, 12:08
They still have soda machines at my school, but they rose the price to $1.25 for this year.
Chandelier
07-11-2007, 12:13
2.selling food items at schools introduces another status symbol system in schools (I'm richer than you, I got 1 $ so I can buy a soda and you don't, you loser - yes, kids do that to each other), which is totally against any education principle.

They still sell food items at school even if they don't sell soda. Lunch...
My school also sells pizza and fries.

I bring a lunch, though. :)
ClodFelter
07-11-2007, 12:18
How about water? My middle school banned water bottles.

Caffeine isn't good for young kids, they get all crazy. After high school I guess it's ok though.
Ifreann
07-11-2007, 12:29
No way. Selling soda in schools means:
1.saying "school tells you kids soda is good for you" while it is almost universally acknowledged that soda is one of the typical component of an unbalanced, unhealty diet;
I don't get that. So, when a store sells you soda, they're saying that it's good for you? When anyone sells you anything, it is somehow implied that the product is good for you? Or is it just when schools sell things?
Intestinal fluids
07-11-2007, 14:18
Not only should soda be banned, but students should be forced to walk treadmills during class to keep the rooms lights on.
The blessed Chris
07-11-2007, 14:50
Yes.
Lackadaisical1
07-11-2007, 15:14
Not only should POP be banned, but students should be forced to walk treadmills during class to keep the rooms lights on.

Fixed it for ya. Thats better, now isn't it? :)



(Great Lakes in the house!)
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
07-11-2007, 15:24
It's not soda, it's soft drink.
So from now on, only hard liquor?

"I'm sorry, ma'am, but this Kindergarten has a two drink minimum."
Isidoor
07-11-2007, 15:32
no, it's unhealthy, at my sisters school (she's still not in high-school, so i guess she goes to middle school?) they've also banned most candy and soda drinks, but they do get fruit each week. I think this is a good idea, some parents can't afford fruit, some don't eat it themselves and others don't care, so it's a good way to help kids come in contact with fruit and healthy food/beverages, they can drink soda as much as they like at home. Smoking and drugs and sex and video games etc are banned too, so why not unhealthy food?
R0cka
07-11-2007, 15:33
Should soda be allowed back in (US) schools?

I don't know, I'm not eight.
Nouvelle Wallonochie
07-11-2007, 15:57
It left?

It's still allowed in schools where I live. I took my niece to her violin practice at the local high school just yesterday and there were pop machines. I'm guessing the OP was making the rather silly mistake of assuming that however things are where he lives are that way from sea to shining sea.
Law Abiding Criminals
07-11-2007, 16:17
At any level below high school, no, and even then, I am wary of adding it. College? Sure, why the hell not.

That said, all schools should instead stock sports drink. Might encourage the little buggers to think they're athletic and act as such.
Siriusa
07-11-2007, 16:39
The problem is when they replaced the soda machines with vending machines that sold sports drinks. Not only are sports drinks bigger than cans of soda, but they also have more calories, etc.

And they still sell greasy pizza, fast-food-like burgers, and such. :rolleyes:
Geniasis
07-11-2007, 16:47
Soda? No.
Fizzy Drink? No.
Coke? No.
Pop? Not even that.

People, start calling it Moose Piss. Especially if you get a lot of foreigners.

"Want some Moose Piss?"
"Uh... no. I'm good. Do you have any soda/coke/fizzy drinks/pop?"
"Any what?"
Elite Fishermen
07-11-2007, 16:49
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda

Its not soda or pop, its art.
Law Abiding Criminals
07-11-2007, 16:50
The problem is when they replaced the soda machines with vending machines that sold sports drinks. Not only are sports drinks bigger than cans of soda, but they also have more calories, etc.

Sodas are pretty much bad all around. Sports drinks can be useful, especially for those who make the most of P.E.

And they still sell greasy pizza, fast-food-like burgers, and such. :rolleyes:

Damn right. I would have said "no shit," but most kids, after greasy burgers, pizza, and the like, will soon be on you saying, "Please don't say 'shit'..." Not because they're offended by cursing, but because they'll have to every eleven minutes.
MacMiller
07-11-2007, 16:51
geez, enuf torturing already. soda is not the problem, and not every kid drinks soda. :)
Whereyouthinkyougoing
07-11-2007, 16:58
No it's strawberries that are evil - having the seeds on the outside that they can send out to do their bidding
:eek:
Der Teutoniker
07-11-2007, 17:04
...and people from Minnesota are wrong and evil.

Hey, MN is the only non-freak state there is... and I call it soda (a gift from my Georgian ex-fiancee... who luckily never got me calling my Dr. Pepper a 'coke')
Der Teutoniker
07-11-2007, 17:05
Its not soda or pop, its art.

Amen.
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 17:10
I don't get that. So, when a store sells you soda, they're saying that it's good for you? When anyone sells you anything, it is somehow implied that the product is good for you? Or is it just when schools sell things?
Well, in a manner, yes. The sale of something is promoted, advertised and encouraged. By selling it, you want someone to buy it and to a degree you are in fact endorsing that product. You may not be selling it specifically as a 'dietary aid,' but that's not really the accusation. It's not so much "this is good for you," but that, "This is good stuff, it's totally worth your dollar."

Think of it in terms of a cigarette machine (presuming that kids could slide their IDs in it to prove they were 18, so only slow graduaters could use it). Only staunch libertarians would go for that. But really it's not about your right to have soda, it's over whether or not the institution that is charged with your development endorses that by selling the product.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
07-11-2007, 17:17
Well, in a manner, yes. The sale of something is promoted, advertised and encouraged. By selling it, you want someone to buy it and to a degree you are in fact endorsing that product. You may not be selling it specifically as a 'dietary aid,' but that's not really the accusation. It's not so much "this is good for you," but that, "This is good stuff, it's totally worth your dollar."
If someone really wanted to be concerned about what sort of a diet schools are endorsing, they wouldn't be angsting out about a few coke machines, they'd be trying to reform cafeteria menus so that the school wasn't selling slime-coated pizza and prepackaged cinnamon buns.
Sarkhaan
07-11-2007, 17:24
http://popvssoda.com:2998/
Smunkeeville
07-11-2007, 17:27
pop is a name for your grandfather and soda is something you cook with

and yes coke should be allowed in schools, I wouldn't have made it through high school without my hourly Dr. Pepper.
Der Teutoniker
07-11-2007, 17:32
pop is a name for your grandfather and soda is something you cook with

and yes coke should be allowed in schools, I wouldn't have made it through high school without my hourly Dr. Pepper.

And Coke is a brand of soda Dr. Pepper is an independent company not related to Coca-Cola (i.e. 'Coke'), and in fact, is even bottled by Pepsi-Cola (Notably not "Coke")

:p

Sorry, had to. :)
Sarkhaan
07-11-2007, 17:35
And Coke is a brand of soda Dr. Pepper is an independent company not related to Coca-Cola (i.e. 'Coke'), and in fact, is even bottled by Pepsi-Cola (Notably not "Coke")

:p

Sorry, had to. :)

Which is why we should all just go with tonic ;)
Nouvelle Wallonochie
07-11-2007, 17:37
And Coke is a brand of soda

Actually, Coke isn't a brand of soda. Arm & Hammer is :p
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 17:41
If someone really wanted to be concerned about what sort of a diet schools are endorsing, they wouldn't be angsting out about a few coke machines, they'd be trying to reform cafeteria menus so that the school wasn't selling slime-coated pizza and prepackaged cinnamon buns.
What makes you think they aren't? Do you really think that their only concern is the soda machines? Efforts to 'healthy' up the lunch menu predate concerns over soda machines. You don't only row one side of the boat.
Smunkeeville
07-11-2007, 18:03
And Coke is a brand of soda Dr. Pepper is an independent company not related to Coca-Cola (i.e. 'Coke'), and in fact, is even bottled by Pepsi-Cola (Notably not "Coke")

:p

Sorry, had to. :)

It's bottled at the Coke co. here.

Coke is a brand of cola. However, coke, is an Oklahoma generic term for any cola type beverage.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 18:05
What got rid of the machines in the fist place? :(

The government.
The Coral Islands
07-11-2007, 18:08
I am more apt to call it sodapop rather than just soda, but most people here (In Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) just say pop. When I saw the title of the thread I assumed it was about allowing baking soda, which is frowned upon here due to its visual similarity to anthrax powder.

As far as the original question goes, I would be quite content if sodapop were forbidden in schools in both Canada and the USA. It is not only very unhealthy, there are also many other beverages that are better-tasting and better for the body.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 18:08
It's still allowed in schools where I live. I took my niece to her violin practice at the local high school just yesterday and there were pop machines. I'm guessing the OP was making the rather silly mistake of assuming that however things are where he lives are that way from sea to shining sea.


i read up on this, its not every where but it is still a lot of places.
Sarkhaan
07-11-2007, 18:10
It's bottled at the Coke co. here.

Coke is a brand of cola. However, coke, is an Oklahoma generic term for any cola type beverage.

so what about lemon-lime or other types of carbonated drink?

Coke around here refers to all cola's, but coke is a soda, as are sprite, 7-up, ginger ale, etc
Kontor
07-11-2007, 18:11
I will use the "sex" argument. Sex is not allowed (in schools) but people do it anyway and a lot of you want to allow them to be able to do so. So why should we ban COKE which is what it is REALLY called.
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 18:17
I will use the "sex" argument. Sex is not allowed (in schools) but people do it anyway and a lot of you want to allow them to be able to do so. So why should we ban COKE which is what it is REALLY called.
There's a difference between 'allowing' and setting aside rooms for the act.
Intangelon
07-11-2007, 18:19
Yes, it should.

and its "pop". or "a pop".

If you ask for a coke.....you'll get a coke.

It is so very much "pop".

Conform.

Soda, ffs. Pop is what I call my father.

They still have soda machines at my school, but they rose the price to $1.25 for this year.

Rose it, did they? Dusty pink russet, or a brighter color?

It's still allowed in schools where I live. I took my niece to her violin practice at the local high school just yesterday and there were pop machines. I'm guessing the OP was making the rather silly mistake of assuming that however things are where he lives are that way from sea to shining sea.

A frightfully common assumption, unfortunately.

I like the ban on sales of soda. I would also like to see continued effort in revamping the menus of school cafeterias. Seems to me that they went with ease of preparation over balanced nutrition, and I can see why in larger schools with as many as three lunch periods. But that explains all the pizza, burgers and one-pot slop I got in school in the 70s and especially the 80s...when Reaganites declared ketchup a vegetable.

It isn't being a nanny state so much as it is encouraging a nutrition conscious lifestyle in the students' place of -- wait for it -- education. I don't think we should be allowing kids to be exempted from P.E. as much as we do. All you need do is look around to see the obesity epidemic across the nation. When you're at home or off campus, you're free to do what you wish. But if we're serious about the whole education of whole students, we need to include nutrition and set a decent example.

Another tangential subject -- how many of you younger than me (37) leaned the following in a public school?

-- How to drive
-- How to balance a checkbook
-- How to fill out IRS forms (at least a 1040EZ)
-- What the stock market is and how it works
-- How to sew (basics)
-- How to cook (again, basics)
-- How to vote and/or get an absentee ballot

I did. The more I look around, the less common "adult" tasks like these I see being taught. Granted, some have been obviated by technology, but it is a bit disconcerting to see so much focus on a test like the SAT/ACT and less on actually teaching kids how to function and how to think (notice HOW, not WHAT). We'll have a generation of kids very good at quiz-show fact-slinging, but critical analysis? Value judgements? Not knowing how to dissect a political speech or statement makes for a vulnerable population.

Soda is just a scale on that particular fish.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
07-11-2007, 18:28
What makes you think they aren't? Do you really think that their only concern is the soda machines? Efforts to 'healthy' up the lunch menu predate concerns over soda machines. You don't only row one side of the boat.
The fact that the same crap has been served since (at least) the 80's indicates that if they are trying, they aren't trying very hard.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 18:32
There's a difference between 'allowing' and setting aside rooms for the act.

We are talking about letting a few machines back in the cafeteria not taking a room and officially declairing it "COKE ROOM"
Intangelon
07-11-2007, 18:37
We are talking about letting a few machines back in the cafeteria not taking a room and officially declairing it "COKE ROOM"

Right, but his post was successfully refuting the comparison of sex with soda (pop, coke, what have you). A ludicrous comparison.

I'll just agree to disagree with you, then, on the presence of the soda machines. Kids can buy the stuff on their own time -- and buy it CHEAPER per unit -- and have it on campus, but I don't think schools should be sugar/caffeine pushers. Where the line gets fuzzy for me is when a club or activity group needs a fund raiser. While technically a part of the school, they're raising funds for their own subset, and that makes the decision to ban sales a bit more complex.
Sarkhaan
07-11-2007, 18:38
-- How to drive
-- How to balance a checkbook
-- How to fill out IRS forms (at least a 1040EZ)
-- What the stock market is and how it works
-- How to sew (basics)
-- How to cook (again, basics)
-- How to vote and/or get an absentee ballot

driving was offered after school, but I chose a different private program
checkbook, didn't learn to balance, but did learn how to write them
IRS forms no
stock market, in 5th, 6th, and 8th grades
sew and cook, 7th grade home ec
voting, learned at the poling location when I went with my mom and dad...never in school

I graduated high school in '04
Smunkeeville
07-11-2007, 18:46
checkbook, didn't learn to balance, but did learn how to write them


^this being why most of America is in debt!

"of course I can afford it, I still have checks!":p
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 18:52
The fact that the same crap has been served since (at least) the 80's indicates that if they are trying, they aren't trying very hard.

All (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=News&id=3384696) chosen (http://www.feingold.org/PF/wisconsin1.html) at (http://www.healthyschoollunches.org/) random (http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2004/10/25/school_lunch_bill_targets_obesity/).
Kontor
07-11-2007, 18:54
Not allowing it is also taking away freedom of choice. The government has no right to regulate peoples lives, it is the parents job to decide not the governments.
Smunkeeville
07-11-2007, 18:57
Not allowing it is also taking away freedom of choice. The government has no right to regulate peoples lives, it is the parents job to decide not the governments.

so, are you against compulsory school attendance laws?
Leafanistan
07-11-2007, 18:59
Not allowing it is also taking away freedom of choice. The government has no right to regulate peoples lives, it is the parents job to decide not the governments.

Schools act in loco parentis, which means they are acting as the parents for these children. As such they have the right to 'reasonable suspicion' to go search through your stuff, not 'probable cause'. They also have the right to suppress certain types of speech and are not held to as strict a standard, thought they cannot forbid non-disruptive speech.

The reasoning is that if it creates a disruptive environment, it infringes on other people's rights. So schools have the ability to ban soda just like your parents can keep you from playing video games or enforcing a curfew.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 19:01
so, are you against compulsory school attendance laws?

If they want to be miserable little bums all their lives good for them.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 19:02
so, are you against compulsory school attendance laws?

Schools act in loco parentis, which means they are acting as the parents for these children. As such they have the right to 'reasonable suspicion' to go search through your stuff, not 'probable cause'. They also have the right to suppress certain types of speech and are not held to as strict a standard, thought they cannot forbid non-disruptive speech.

The reasoning is that if it creates a disruptive environment, it infringes on other people's rights. So schools have the ability to ban soda just like your parents can keep you from playing video games or enforcing a curfew.

Since when was drinking a coke disruptive?
Cannot think of a name
07-11-2007, 19:02
Not allowing it is also taking away freedom of choice. The government has no right to regulate peoples lives, it is the parents job to decide not the governments.

There is a difference between allowing and facilitating. It does shit all to your freedom to not sell it there. If you want it you can bring it yourself.
Leafanistan
07-11-2007, 19:17
Since when was drinking a coke disruptive?

My argument may have been misleading in its wording and I apologize. I'm saying that the School is acting as your parent, and can interrupt disruptive behavior, but can also act like your parent and ban stuff that it perceives as harmful.

No one argues if someone's mom prevents them from drinking soda, and the school can ban the sale of it on school grounds on the grounds it is bad for you.

A similar argument is made for school uniforms.

And just like with your parents you can sneak to a friend's house or go to the corner store and buy a soda yourself. My school banned soda machines, but the 2 trucks outside sold it like candy, and there were at least 5 delis in walking distance, and another snack stand.
Sarkhaan
07-11-2007, 20:11
^this being why most of America is in debt!

"of course I can afford it, I still have checks!":p
:mad:
For your information, I haven't written a check since 7th grade
:D

Not allowing it is also taking away freedom of choice. The government has no right to regulate peoples lives, it is the parents job to decide not the governments.

No...they can bring their own. They just don't sell it. Unless you'd like to make the argument that schools must sell every single possible product lest they restrict your freedoms, they are under no obligation to sell a single thing.
Chandelier
07-11-2007, 20:12
Rose it, did they? Dusty pink russet, or a brighter color?


Sorry. I posted that at around six o'clock this morning and wasn't fully awake yet at that time. :(

Also, I found out today that they've replaced the bottled water at the school with vitamin water. But most of the people at lunch still seem to eat pizza and fries anyway... which I eat as a treat maybe once every few months or so or if I forget to pack my lunch or something.

I don't really care if they ban soda here. I only drink it occasionally, and I don't think I have at all this year at school. I bring apple juice with me to school every day... which usually was what I bought from the soda machines when the price was $1 anyway.

Another tangential subject -- how many of you younger than me (37) leaned the following in a public school?

-- How to drive
-- How to balance a checkbook
-- How to fill out IRS forms (at least a 1040EZ)
-- What the stock market is and how it works
-- How to sew (basics)
-- How to cook (again, basics)
-- How to vote and/or get an absentee ballot

I haven't learned any of those in school, not during the school year at least. Driver's ed is only offered during the summer and isn't required to get a driver's license or graduate, but I took it one summer.

Although we may still learn the last one this year, since I'm in AP American Government. None of the others, though.

And just like with your parents you can sneak to a friend's house or go to the corner store and buy a soda yourself. My school banned soda machines, but the 2 trucks outside sold it like candy, and there were at least 5 delis in walking distance, and another snack stand.

During school? We aren't allowed to leave campus during school hours here.
Nouvelle Wallonochie
07-11-2007, 20:19
Another tangential subject -- how many of you younger than me (37) leaned the following in a public school?

-- How to drive
-- How to balance a checkbook
-- How to fill out IRS forms (at least a 1040EZ)
-- What the stock market is and how it works
-- How to sew (basics)
-- How to cook (again, basics)
-- How to vote and/or get an absentee ballot

We learned all of those except filling out IRS forms. Attending driver's ed wasn't compulsory, as it happened during the summer, but as I lived in a small rural community it may as well have been. I graduated in '00, btw.

During school? We aren't allowed to leave campus during school hours here.

We weren't either, but that didn't stop lots of kids from sneaking off, especially when someone else would distract the one hall monitor we had.
Chandelier
07-11-2007, 20:24
We weren't either, but that didn't stop lots of kids from sneaking off, especially when someone else would distract the one hall monitor we had.

The school is at least a couple of miles from any sort of restaurant, and they have cameras and people monitoring the parking lot all the time. Last year right before Thanksgiving someone died in a car accident while skipping school to go get lunch. :(
Kanami
07-11-2007, 20:28
What got rid of the machines in the fist place? :(

President Clinton

As for the whole Soda vs. Pop who cares? Reminds me of this old Digimon commercial back in the day.

"Soda? it's pop."

"No it's Soda."

"Okay Grandpop."

"Pop, what are you four?"

Lol good times good memories.


I say yes. Vending machines are a great source of money. With the ammount of soda my high school drank, I can only imagine what that money went for. (Probably that new and utterly useless stadium and Astroturf)
Nouvelle Wallonochie
07-11-2007, 20:30
The school is at least a couple of miles from any sort of restaurant, and they have cameras and people monitoring the parking lot all the time. Last year right before Thanksgiving someone died in a car accident while skipping school to go get lunch. :(

Ours was about 2 miles from the nearest restaurant, but we didn't have cameras as they were too expensive in the 90s for a little school like mine. We got cameras on our school buses in '98, not because we wanted them but because the state mandated we have them. We only had one guy to monitor the 3 parking lots, but the smart kids would park on a side street near the school away from the main lot.
Chandelier
07-11-2007, 20:41
Ours was about 2 miles from the nearest restaurant, but we didn't have cameras as they were too expensive in the 90s for a little school like mine. We got cameras on our school buses in '98, not because we wanted them but because the state mandated we have them. We only had one guy to monitor the 3 parking lots, but the smart kids would park on a side street near the school away from the main lot.

Ah. There are some other places that people could park, but they'd still have to go out the same entrances to get to them and the monitors in the golf carts are watching those, most likely, as well as the parking lot... my school is a fairly big school, 1,900 or so students and there were more students than that last year. There's also only one parking lot that students are allowed to park in, so I guess that makes it easier for them to monitor it. I'm in the class of 2008, by the way.
Charlen
07-11-2007, 20:47
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda

Pop is a sound, soda's a drink.

As for the debate, I believe it should be allowed in schools. It really has me feeling uneasy about the education system when they'd rather teach kids to just trust without question when the school says that something is bad than educate them and let them make the choice for themselves.
Teslavakia
07-11-2007, 21:01
Another tangential subject -- how many of you younger than me (37) leaned the following in a public school?

-- How to drive
-- How to balance a checkbook
-- How to fill out IRS forms (at least a 1040EZ)
-- What the stock market is and how it works
-- How to sew (basics)
-- How to cook (again, basics)
-- How to vote and/or get an absentee ballot

I learned to balance a checkbook, do tax returns, about the stock market and voting from public school. The rest I learned from my parents. I don't really think that you should have to learn any of them except voting and taxes in school.

Driving-everyone should know that has a car, but there are better private programs than public. (I took MasterDrive)

Checks- Almost no one of my generation or younger (I'm 23 now) uses checks anymore since online banking with a checking card is easier and more accurate (for the most part, I keep reciepts and check them).

Taxes- Can you say TurboTax?

Stocks- meh, I have some, and I'm sure I'll have more once I have money to invest, but most people don't.

Sewing- I never sew (except for buttons) since it would be inappropriate to wear ripped clothing to work and I don't really care outside of work.

Cooking- I do it every day and I love it, but again, I learned it from parents and self-teaching rather than school. I went to one cooking class, but when there was a 30 minute video on microwaving (not kidding here) I dropped it.

Voting- Necissary. We should probably have re-education classes for the old people of Florida.

Some of the skills you learned just aren't need as much by people these days, but we are taught things that you didn't need 20 years ago that everyone uses now. Most obviously, computer skills. I don't think schools have gotten worse, they've just changed with the times.

On the main subject, we had soda available for sale in middle school and high school. I rarely partook because I was involved in atheletics and soda is so bad for you. I think that kids at least above elementary school level should be allowed to waste their money however they choose. Plus, the money from the companies and machines helps the schools out. Just don't sue the soda companies or the schools when you become big fat diabetic slobs!
IL Ruffino
07-11-2007, 21:05
pop

Get the fuck out of my internet.
Kontor
07-11-2007, 21:58
I learned to balance a checkbook, do tax returns, about the stock market and voting from public school. The rest I learned from my parents. I don't really think that you should have to learn any of them except voting and taxes in school.

Driving-everyone should know that has a car, but there are better private programs than public. (I took MasterDrive)

Checks- Almost no one of my generation or younger (I'm 23 now) uses checks anymore since online banking with a checking card is easier and more accurate (for the most part, I keep reciepts and check them).

Taxes- Can you say TurboTax?

Stocks- meh, I have some, and I'm sure I'll have more once I have money to invest, but most people don't.

Sewing- I never sew (except for buttons) since it would be inappropriate to wear ripped clothing to work and I don't really care outside of work.

Cooking- I do it every day and I love it, but again, I learned it from parents and self-teaching rather than school. I went to one cooking class, but when there was a 30 minute video on microwaving (not kidding here) I dropped it.

Voting- Necissary. We should probably have re-education classes for the old people of Florida.

Some of the skills you learned just aren't need as much by people these days, but we are taught things that you didn't need 20 years ago that everyone uses now. Most obviously, computer skills. I don't think schools have gotten worse, they've just changed with the times.

On the main subject, we had soda available for sale in middle school and high school. I rarely partook because I was involved in atheletics and soda is so bad for you. I think that kids at least above elementary school level should be allowed to waste their money however they choose. Plus, the money from the companies and machines helps the schools out. Just don't sue the soda companies or the schools when you become big fat diabetic slobs!


Reeducation? Sound kinda naziish to me. You enjoying your hail hitlers?
Sel Appa
08-11-2007, 00:09
fuck yes

oh, and its called pop, not soda

No and it is called soda. Only hicks call it pop. Even the bottles say soda on them.