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As part of a Guy Fawkes day gimmick, Ron Paul has set the one-day GOP fundraising record (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21646939/), surpassing the prior record held by Mitt Romney. So, while I'm not a Paul supporter, I really must say that I'm rather impressed.

Ron Paul also appears to not know what Guy Fawkes Day is about.

Ron Paul also appears to not know what Guy Fawkes Day is about.Go ahead and talk your shit. You are the average mainstream fool who is insignificant and will make no difference in this world. Ron Paul made history today for the GOP of raising over 4 million dollar online in one day. No one has ever raised that much online ever. The average Ron Paul supporter had more energy in their little finger than you and 100 other mainstream go along with the status quo do nothing to change the world but bitch and criticize those who are actually trying to do something.

I speak for hopefully all intelligent and informed people when I say: Fuck Ron Paul.

I wonder how much of it was from his Neo-Nazi friends.

What the heck do Neo-Nazi's have to do with Ron Paul?

What the heck do Neo-Nazi's have to do with Ron Paul?

His campaign accepted a couple of hundred bucks from David Duke, I guess.

What the heck do Neo-Nazi's have to do with Ron Paul?

You should do a bit of research into his long standing connection to Neo-Nazi groups and Stormfront's recent fundraising drive for him.

Well, good for Ron Paul, I say. He's the only candidate I like out of all of those cretins. I wouldn't vote for him, though (simply because I don't believe in voting at all.) And honestly, I don't care if he's getting money from neo-Nazis; he's the only one advocating limited government, and more government is a bigger threat to me than some idiot giving cash for the wrong reason.

Well, good for Ron Paul, I say. He's the only candidate I like out of all of those cretins. I wouldn't vote for him, though (simply because I don't believe in voting at all.) And honestly, I don't care if he's getting money from neo-Nazis; he's the only one advocating limited government, and more government is a bigger threat to me than some idiot giving cash for the wrong reason.

His past racist statements and his strong connections to Neo-Nazis are indicative of the fact that the only limmited government he wants is a limit on the reforms that prevent racist violence in the South.

Well, the New York Times magazine would say otherwise, since they believe that it is fairly obvious that those statements are not at all written in his style (and he has written quite prolifically about limited government, not about racism.) And he has already proven through his legislative record that he is quite for limited government, so it is rather unlikely that he would just abruptly turn about as you are implying.

It's not like he had any editorial control over his own newsletter or anything.

His past racist statements and his strong connections to Neo-Nazis are indicative of the fact that the only limmited government he wants is a limit on the reforms that prevent racist violence in the South.

Well, the New York Times magazine would say otherwise, since they believe that it is fairly obvious that those statements are not at all written in his style (and he has written quite prolifically about limited government, not about racism.) And he has already proven through his legislative record that he is quite for limited government, so it is rather unlikely that he would just abruptly turn about as you are implying.

Well, the New York Times magazine would say otherwise, since they believe that it is fairly obvious that those statements are not at all written in his style (and he has written quite prolifically about limited government, not about racism.) And he has already proven through his legislative record that he is quite for limited government, so it is rather unlikely that he would just abruptly turn about as you are implying.

I don't care. I want to know why it took him 7 years to disclaim the statements, and why all he said was that he didn't write them, and not that he didn't beleive them. I want to know why he didn't proofread, or if he did, why he approved such vile racism. I want to know how we can expect a man who can't even keep his ghost writers in line to run a country.

It's not like he had any editorial control over his own newsletter or anything.

All media say or post or write things they wish they hadn't said.

All media say or post or write things they wish they hadn't said.

Usually it's not on the scale of racist tirades.

All media say or post or write things they wish they hadn't said.

I think there is a bit of difference between misquoted someone, which is usually the case, and saying that blacks and non-whites should be treated differently under the law because they are more "inclined" towards illegal activity.

Quite a bit, actually.

I don't care. I want to know why it took him 7 years to disclaim the statements, and why all he said was that he didn't write them, and not that he didn't beleive them. I want to know why he didn't proofread, or if he did, why he approved such vile racism. I want to know how we can expect a man who can't even keep his ghost writers in line to run a country.

Actually, he did say they didn't represent his views. And he's really not about 'running' the country; he's more about letting people do their own thing. If he can treat me like his ghostwriters, then I'm happy with that.

Usually it's not on the scale of racist tirades.

Well, I remember Shepard Smith making a flippant comment about the deaths of Irish independence members in the past, so I'd say that it's not that unusual.

Actually, he did say they didn't represent his views. And he's really not about 'running' the country; he's more about letting people do their own thing. If he can treat me like his ghostwriters, then I'm happy with that.

Oh, so he's okay with "letting people do their own thing" to go opress black people, then? Is that what we can expect?

Oh, so he's okay with "letting people do their own thing" to go opress black people, then? Is that what we can expect?

That's a strawman if I ever saw one.

And no, if we can expect anything, i.e. from the books he's written or his congressional record instead of what some insignificant, over-hyped ghostwriter said, he will dismantle the massive police/military state and allow people more freedom than what they have right now.

Congrats to Ron Paul. It's great to see him gaining more and more support as people are starting to realize what he's really about. as for the racist statements, they are not his, and even if they were - there have been far worse statements and ideals that former leaders of our country have held to.

I speak for hopefully all intelligent and informed people when I say: Fuck Ron Paul.No you speak for the mainstream go along to get along crowd fo pussies who have set back and let America turn into the pile of shit it is today.

Congrats to Ron Paul. It's great to see him gaining more and more support as people are starting to realize what he's really about. as for the racist statements, they are not his, and even if they were - there have been far worse statements and ideals that former leaders of our country have held to.

I agree. FDR, the idol of many on the left and right, voted AGAINST an anti-lynching bill, while Ron Paul has been an outspoken opponent of the War on Drugs which has unjustly incarcerated or killed many people of color.

No you speak for the mainstream go along to get along crowd fo pussies who have set back and let America turn into the pile of shit it is today.

Y'know, less flaming and more debating might get more positive results.

What, for example, do you mean when America has become "the pile of shit it is today"?

I wonder how much of it was from his Neo-Nazi friends.You are the racist I am so sick of racist like you calling Ron Paul a racist. You support the mainstream candidates who support the drug war. The drug war is the most violent anti minority policy since slavery. You support the candidates who want to keep this drug war going. This drug war that has more black men behind bars and in chains than at the height of slavery in America. Yes the Neo Nazis may be a bunch of ignorant fools but their bigoted ignorant racism pails in comparison to the damage the drug war has caused to Blacks and other minorities. I am sure you really hate Ron Paul because he is against the drug war and you hate the idea that their may not be more black men in Prison than in College in America because you are such a fucking racist.

Y'know, less flaming and more debating might get more positive results.

What, for example, do you mean when America has become "the pile of shit it is today"?America is an Imperial monster starting needless wars around the world, Americas foreign policy is abysmal. The Patriot act, the spiraling deficit, the dropping dollar, and the more militarized police in America are just a few shitty things that are piling up in America.

America is an Imperial monster starting needless wars around the world, Americas foreign policy is abysmal. The Patriot act, the spiraling deficit, the dropping dollar, and the more militarized police in America are just a few shitty things that are piling up in America.

Where did you learn English? It's nearly impossible for me to understand your tirades of questionable (read:zero) factual basis when they're written in what can only be called the polar opposite of proper grammar.

Can we close registration for General or something? I've noticed a strong correlation between intelligent posting and join dates that aren't in the past 8 months or so.

Where did you learn English? It's nearly impossible for me to understand your tirades of questionable (read:zero) factual basis when they're written in what can only be called the polar opposite of proper grammar.

Can we close registration for General or something? I've noticed a strong correlation between intelligent posting and join dates that aren't in the past 8 months or so.Boo hoo you hurt my feelings:rolleyes: and since you are so smart why can you not figure out that January was 10 months ago?

Ron Paul also appears to not know what Guy Fawkes Day is about.
It's amusing how many people have got the wrong end of the stick over Guy Fawkes Day, mainly because they've only heard of it through the V for Vendetta film.

It'd be funnier still if some places started celebrating it in that vein all the time :p

You are the racist I am so sick of racist like you calling Ron Paul a racist. You support the mainstream candidates who support the drug war. The drug war is the most violent anti minority policy since slavery. You support the candidates who want to keep this drug war going. This drug war that has more black men behind bars and in chains than at the height of slavery in America. Yes the Neo Nazis may be a bunch of ignorant fools but their bigoted ignorant racism pails in comparison to the damage the drug war has caused to Blacks and other minorities. I am sure you really hate Ron Paul because he is against the drug war and you hate the idea that their may not be more black men in Prison than in College in America because you are such a fucking racist.
Even with the periods it hurts my eyes? Yeesh.
Is this just a long version of 'NO U'? I don't think you actually know who he supports....

That's a strawman if I ever saw one.

And no, if we can expect anything, i.e. from the books he's written or his congressional record instead of what some insignificant, over-hyped ghostwriter said, he will dismantle the massive police/military state and allow people more freedom than what they have right now.

No, it isn't, it's what you're saying. You're saying that the fact that he failed to manage his ghostwriter and prevent him from making racist statements in his name is indicative of how he will lead: well, okay, but how am I supposed to read that?

Even with the periods it hurts my eyes? Yeesh.
Is this just a long version of 'NO U'? I don't think you actually know who he supports....

I'm racist because I support Barack Obama, see. Supporting a black man is totally and completely racist.

I'm racist because I support Barack Obama, see. Supporting a black man is totally and completely racist.If you support someone who supports the drug war you are an enabler of racist policies it does not matter what color the person is. Keep in mind their are lots of racist black people just look at Condoleeza Rice shopping for shoes was more important to her than helping the black people in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina.

You are the racist I am so sick of racist like you calling Ron Paul a racist. You support the mainstream candidates who support the drug war. The drug war is the most violent anti minority policy since slavery. You support the candidates who want to keep this drug war going. This drug war that has more black men behind bars and in chains than at the height of slavery in America. Yes the Neo Nazis may be a bunch of ignorant fools but their bigoted ignorant racism pails in comparison to the damage the drug war has caused to Blacks and other minorities. I am sure you really hate Ron Paul because he is against the drug war and you hate the idea that their may not be more black men in Prison than in College in America because you are such a fucking racist.

Where in the hell did the "Drug war" come into play.

For the record, I hate Ron Paul because he is an idiotic racist, who has very little grip on reality. Not exactly Presidential material, if you ask me.

If you support someone who supports the drug war you are an enabler of racist policies it does not matter what color the person is. Keep in mind their are lots of racist black people just look at Condoleeza Rice shopping for shoes was more important to her than helping the black people in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina.

Blah, Blah, Blah. I don't support the drug war, but I don't think that it is issue enough to ever support a racist or a conservative like Ron Paul.

he's the only one advocating limited government,
Because consistently supporting sodomy laws and bans on gay marriage is limiting government.

I speak for hopefully all intelligent and informed people when I say: Fuck Ron Paul.

I agre.

Because consistently supporting sodomy laws and bans on gay marriage is limiting government.

SHHH!!! Do not let facts get in the way of a good tirade against intelligent folks :D

No you speak for the mainstream go along to get along crowd fo pussies who have set back and let America turn into the pile of shit it is today.

I said smart and informed people, I don't believe you were in that group.

Blah, Blah, Blah. I don't support the drug war, but I don't think that it is issue enough to ever support a racist or a conservative like Ron Paul.blah blah blah you just like to vote for those who ensure a majority of poor black males stay in prison because the drug war suits your racist agenda.

Because consistently supporting sodomy laws and bans on gay marriage is limiting government.How many consensual adults have been thrown in jail by sodomy laws in the last 10 years on comparison to how many poor black males have been thrown in jail because of the bullshit drug war? Oh yes people fear Ron Paul he is going to put Penile sensors/shocker in everyones anus anyone who has anal sex will be jolted with 1,000,000 volts of electricity.

BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!

I said smart and informed people, I don't believe you were in that group.BOO HOO HOO:(

Y'know, less flaming and more debating might get more positive results.

What, for example, do you mean when America has become "the pile of shit it is today"?
Because the post he was responding to was such a well-reasoned and eloquent argument.

Go Ron Paul! You may be racist but I love you

blah blah blah you just like to vote for those who ensure a majority of poor black males stay in prison because the drug war suits your racist agenda.


Ron Paul is that you?

Where in the hell did the "Drug war" come into play.

For the record, I hate Ron Paul because he is an idiotic racist, who has very little grip on reality. Not exactly Presidential material, if you ask me.The drug war is the most racist agenda since slavery. You probably do not like to talk about the drug war because you too are a racist and you like seeing government policies that send millions of black men and women to prison and keeps them in chains.

Go Ron Paul! You may be racist but I love youGo supporters of the drug war, your racist policies send millions of minorities to jail but I still love you.

Ron Paul is that you?Are you not the NeoCon pussy who is too scared to announce on nationstates who he is voting for. Who is your candidate? Is it Romney the magic underwear wearing Mormon? Is it the minority friendly transvestite Rudy Ghouliani. Because if you do not have the balls to state who you are voting for you just need to accept you are a pussy and stop talking shit about people who actually have the guts (and it doesn't take much) to say who their candidate is.

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Liek srsly. Lefthandedsupremacist needs to calm down before intarnetz rage sets in.

Are you not the NeoCon pussy who is too scared to announce on nationstates who he is voting for[b]?[/]

Since I do not know who the candidates are for president...it is kind of hard to know who to vote for.

Who is your candidate? Is it Romney the magic underwear wearing Mormon? Is it the minority friendly transvestite Rudy Ghouliani. Because if you do not have the balls to state who you are voting for you just need to accept you are a pussy and stop talking shit about people who actually have the guts (and it doesn't take much) to say who their candidate is.

Oh brother! Look. The primaries are not over. I do not know who the presidential candidates are. Is that clear enough or do you need a bigger explaination.

The_Pantless_Hero is right when he said:

I said smart and informed people, I don't believe you were in that group.

This remark is addressed to everybody: it is not debate to impugn someone's intelligence. (You listening, The_pantless_hero?)

This is addressed to LEFTHANDEDSUPREMACIST: It is not debate to abuse your opponents. It is against the rules. It's called flaming. Cut it out.

You will find people in this forum who disagree with you. This does not mean they are racists, Neo-Con pussies or whatever other insult occurs to you.

It means only that they disagree with you.

Because this is a discussion forum, you are supposed to produce arguments if you want to persuade them to take a different view. You are supposed to criticise the arguments, not the poster who makes them.

Please read this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023), especially the "forbidden actions" sections.

I speak for hopefully all intelligent and informed people when I say: Fuck Ron Paul.

Thanks, but I'll leave that to his wife. ;)

Thanks, but I'll leave that to his wife. ;)

LMAO!!!

Go ahead and talk your shit. You are the average mainstream fool who is insignificant and will make no difference in this world. Ron Paul made history today for the GOP of raising over 4 million dollar online in one day. No one has ever raised that much online ever. The average Ron Paul supporter had more energy in their little finger than you and 100 other mainstream go along with the status quo do nothing to change the world but bitch and criticize those who are actually trying to do something.
None of this changes that he has the wrong idea about Guy Fawkes Day.
It's amusing how many people have got the wrong end of the stick over Guy Fawkes Day, mainly because they've only heard of it through the V for Vendetta film.
I suspect the good Mr. Paul is among them

It'd be funnier still if some places started celebrating it in that vein all the time :p
Yes indeed.
blah blah blah you just like to vote for those who ensure a majority of poor black males stay in prison because the drug war suits your racist agenda.

The drug war is the most racist agenda since slavery. You probably do not like to talk about the drug war because you too are a racist and you like seeing government policies that send millions of black men and women to prison and keeps them in chains.

Go supporters of the drug war, your racist policies send millions of minorities to jail but I still love you.

Strawman, motherfucker, do you know of it?

Go ahead and talk your shit. You are the average mainstream fool who is insignificant and will make no difference in this world. Ron Paul made history today for the GOP of raising over 4 million dollar online in one day. No one has ever raised that much online ever. The average Ron Paul supporter had more energy in their little finger than you and 100 other mainstream go along with the status quo do nothing to change the world but bitch and criticize those who are actually trying to do something.

How does this answer the question?

Guy Fawkes was a terrorist. "V for Vendetta" is, basically, a movie (or comic, of course) about a terrorist.

Whether or not one sympathises with the underdog in either story, the fact remains... making the 5th of November your campaign centre-point is a curious choice, to say the least.

Strawman, motherfucker, do you know of it?

Don't instigate. everyone's been warned.

LMAO!!!

;)

It doesn't really surprise me that Ron Paul apologists willfully ignore the evidence of his racism.

I do wonder, however, how they manage to justify his lying and hypocrisy.

On his official website, Paul claims: "Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution." link (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/)

However, as is also on his official website, he voted for the Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 despite his stated belief that it was unconsitutional. link (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/83/the-partial-birth-abortion-ban/):

Unfortunately, H.R. 760 takes a different approach, one that is not only constitutionally flawed, but flawed in principle, as well. Though I will vote to ban the horrible partial-birth abortion procedure, I fear that the language used in this bill does not further the pro-life cause, but rather cements fallacious principles into both our culture and legal system.
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Another problem with this bill is its citation of the interstate commerce clause as a justification for a federal law banning partial-birth abortion. This greatly stretches the definition of interstate commerce. The abuse of both the interstate commerce clause and the general welfare clause is precisely the reason our federal government no longer conforms to constitutional dictates but, instead, balloons out of control in its growth and scope. H.R. 760 inadvertently justifies federal government intervention into every medical procedure through the gross distortion of the interstate commerce clause.
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Despite its severe flaws, this bill nonetheless has the possibility of saving innocent human life, and I will vote in favor of it. I fear, though, that when the pro-life community uses the arguments of the opposing side to advance its agenda, it does more harm than good.

This contradiction, lie, and hypocrisy has been pointed out in Ron Paul threads before but I have yet to see a response from the Paul apologists.

blah blah blah you just like to vote for those who ensure a majority of poor black males stay in prison because the drug war suits your racist agenda.

I consider ending the drug war important, but I don't beleive Ron Paul will do it, and I don't think that electing a racist with a history of supporting homophobic laws is the way to do it. Besides which, my candidate does support ending the drug war, and unlike your candidate, he hasn't got a history of buckling to "conservative" values and not doing any of the "libertarian" things he claims to support.

Since I do not know who the candidates are for president...it is kind of hard to know who to vote for.:Too scared to state your opinion before you see which direction the rest of the herd is going well I can not say I expected much more out of you.



Oh brother! Look. The primaries are not over. I do not know who the presidential candidates are. Is that clear enough or do you need a bigger explaination.

The_Pantless_Hero is right when he saidWhat the heck are you talking about I guess me and the Washington Post have it wrong when we call Presidential Candidates candidates (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/) what the hell word would you have me use. Corneliu you seem like a real space cadet.

Too scared to state your opinion before you see which direction the rest of the herd is going well I can not say I expected much more out of you.

You really cannot handle adversity can you? You may want to work on that if you want to survive into college.

What the heck are you talking about I guess me and the Washington Post have it wrong when we call Presidential Candidates candidates (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/) what the hell word would you have me use. Corneliu you seem like a real space cadet.

If continuously checking out the candidates makes me a space cadet then I welcome the complement. At least I know one person I am not voting for. No make that 2. Brownbeck and Paul. These are two candidates that I will not be voting for.

Strawman, motherfucker, do you know of it?How is it a strawman? Are you saying the Government is not racist in the drug war in its treatments between whites and blacks who are convicted and put in prison?

Are you also saying your candidate is not a supporter of the drug war?

How is it a strawman? Are you saying the Government is not racist in the drug war in its treatments between whites and blacks who are convicted and put in prison?

Are you also saying your candidate is not a supporter of the drug war?

Considering who you are supporting...I would not be going around bashing others for who they are and are not supporting.

How is it a strawman? Are you saying the Government is not racist in the drug war in its treatments between whites and blacks who are convicted and put in prison?

Are you also saying your candidate is not a supporter of the drug war?

You're the one who brought up the drug war in the first place. It wasn't even remotely part of the discussion.

Somehow, I can't quite bring myself to support a man who celebrates terrorism.

I mean, celebrating Guy Fawkes day in support of Guy Fawkes is like celebrating the 11th of September.

LEFTHANDEDSUPREMACIST -- we seem to be becoming posting buddies, may I call you LHS? -- you have toned down your responses a bit; thank you. Now, however, you're addressing your remarks directly to Corneliu 2 in a way that prompts him to respond in kind. That's called flamebaiting. That's another thing you can't do here.

To clarify -- this: I can not say I expected much more out of you. and this:Corneliu you seem like a real space cadet. are what I'm referring to.

Those jabs prompted this:You really cannot handle adversity can you? You may want to work on that if you want to survive into college.

And we're getting into a combative tone that leads to this:Strawman, motherfucker, do you know of it?

A political campaign is not worth getting banned or officially warned for. So COOL IT, everybody, now.

And we're getting into a combative tone that leads to this:

I hate to comment, but that wasn't combative, and came before the little slap fight.

I hate to comment, but that wasn't combative, and came before the little slap fight.

Actually...it came during the "slap fight" and truth be told, I could have said alot worse but I did not want to get banned.

Picky picky picky ...:D

Sorry, I shouldn't have respresented that as a sequence. What I meant to show was that comments or actions that individually seem only bothersome quickly create an atmosphere in which insults start to escalate. LHS's earlier remarks had been flames, and though he's toned down on request, there's still a bit of smoke in the air.

(Fleckenstein, you're not by any chance a reincarnation of the very first chief sub-editor I worked for, are you? He used to insist on facts that spoiled my stories, too!)

(Fleckenstein, you're not by any chance a reincarnation of the very first chief sub-editor I worked for, are you? He used to insist on facts that spoiled my stories, too!)

Nope. Just little ol' me. *whistles*

Ron Paul is that you?

No, it's just our latest troll.

No you speak for the mainstream go along to get along crowd fo pussies who have set back and let America turn into the pile of shit it is today.

Are you even old enough to vote?

That's a strawman if I ever saw one.

And no, if we can expect anything, i.e. from the books he's written or his congressional record instead of what some insignificant, over-hyped ghostwriter said, he will dismantle the massive police/military state and allow people more freedom than what they have right now.
And how the hell can we know that he actually wrote those books or believed in what he was voting on?
How long until one of his books falls out of favour so he claims it written by a ghostwriter whom he never met nor proof-read the book before printing?
little vox-populi-seeking-whore that he is.