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Caracas, November 5, 2007 (venezuelanalysis.com)- Over a hundred thousand Venezuleans marched in support of President Chavez and of his constitutional reform on Sunday, which Chavez described as the most important referendum of his presidency.

Marchers, almost all dressed in red - the color of Venezuela's Bolivarian movement - filled the entire 1.3 km (0.8 mi) Bolivar Avenue and spilled into side streets. The demonstration proceeded without incident and culminated with a three hour speech by Chavez. During the 8.5 km (5.3 mi) march, which passed through most of Caracas, rains poured down on marchers for part of the time.
Source: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/2804

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http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2797
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/2802

Study macroeconomics and you will learn why Chavez is bad for Venezuela.

In twenty years he will be just as laughed at as Mugabe is now.

Study macroeconomics and you will learn why Chavez is bad for Venezuela.

In twenty years he will be just as laughed at as Mugabe is now.

Ummm no, look to Latin America and see the list of failed neoliberal projects to the see the ultimate failure of economic 'rationalism' in the region. With the price of oil only going to rise into the future with peak oil, Venezuela is set for a future where the common people actually see the resources with belong to them equally in common ownership. Right-wingers love to cry 'Mugabe' or whatever without any substance argument because they are so enraged that a country can become socialist without being bombed into oblivion by the US and it's proxies.

This thread was meant to put a light on the hypocrisy and deceit of the coverage of Chavez topics in NSG by the Right-wingers.

Ummm no, look to Latin America and see the list of failed neoliberal projects to the see the ultimate failure of economic 'rationalism' in the region. With the price of oil only going to rise into the future with peak oil, Venezuela is set for a future where the common people actually see the resources with belong to them equally in common ownership. Right-wingers love to cry 'Mugabe' or whatever without any substance argument because they are so enraged that a country can become socialist without being bombed into oblivion by the US and it's proxies.

Dozens of countries have tried some form of Socialism at some point during the 20th century. How many of them succeeded with it?

Russia had to enslave all of eastern Europe to keep them from joining NATO and the West. They had to build a wall and have the red guard shoot people who tried to escape from the famine and poverty that resulted from the inefficiencies of a centrally planned economy.

Capitalism is not perfect, but it is tried and true as the best system currently available in today's world. China abandoned most of the Maoist policies it had and has seen economic prosperity begin thanks to Capitalism.

North Korea has stuck with Socialism and has been a complete failure. The Chinese military has to put soldiers on its borders to control the flood of people over the border. NK has had to indoctrinate its people and ban all books except those by Kim Il Sung to keep control.

Cuba has had to ration beans as they can't produce enough in a centrally planned economy.

The USSR starved millions because they could not produce enough to sustain themselves.

All Socialism brings is famine and poverty.

Nations with capitalism are more likely to succeed as the people have more inventive to produce more. It's simple human nature and simple economics. Don't sleep in Economics class again. You should open up your text book and listen to the lectures given by professors. You will learn a lot.

Marx was an idealist. He didn't apply his theories to the real world when thinking them up. Those who have applied them have failed dismally and sent millions to the grave through the resulting famines.

The demonstration proceeded without incident and culminated with a three hour speech by Chavez.

What is the deal with dictators and their long-ass speeches? What could possibly take 3 hours to say anyway? It must be absolute torture to listen to three hours of political bullshit. Do the crowds even get chairs? Can they sit down? What happens if you fall asleep - do you get arrested? I would lead a bloody coup against any asshole who couldn't get to the point in less than 40 minutes.

Sounds like another government organised rally ... :p

Dozens of countries have tried some form of Socialism at some point during the 20th century. How many of them succeeded with it?

Russia had to enslave all of eastern Europe to keep them from joining NATO and the West. They had to build a wall and have the red guard shoot people who tried to escape from the famine and poverty that resulted from the inefficiencies of a centrally planned economy.

Capitalism is not perfect, but it is tried and true as the best system currently available in today's world. China abandoned most of the Maoist policies it had and has seen economic prosperity begin thanks to Capitalism.

North Korea has stuck with Socialism and has been a complete failure. The Chinese military has to put soldiers on its borders to control the flood of people over the border. NK has had to indoctrinate its people and ban all books except those by Kim Il Sung to keep control.

Cuba has had to ration beans as they can't produce enough in a centrally planned economy.

The USSR starved millions because they could not produce enough to sustain themselves.

All Socialism brings is famine and poverty.

Nations with capitalism are more likely to succeed as the people have more inventive to produce more. It's simple human nature and simple economics. Don't sleep in Economics class again. You should open up your text book and listen to the lectures given by professors. You will learn a lot.

Marx was an idealist. He didn't apply his theories to the real world when thinking them up. Those who have applied them have failed dismally and sent millions to the grave through the resulting famines.

You're comparing of a command economy to socialism shows me the failure of you're argument. Your even more naive comparison of the so called 'actually existing socialism' and even more ludicrous statements on historical events shows me you are just groping at straws now. Naive indeed, you remind me of the silly school kid buzzword infested 'communism sucks because of the soviet union, human nature!' I hear so often. In actual fact, socialism is a radical decentralization, not centralization, of society into an interdependent collection of communes, a central authority is against communism because it distances the people from power, power over the means of common production. Capitalism is a concentration and centralization, of all power, political and economic, into the hands of a minority clique, capitalism is therefore totally against democracy and any notion of common popular government.

What is the deal with dictators and their long-ass speeches? What could possibly take 3 hours to say anyway? It must be absolute torture to listen to three hours of political bullshit. Do the crowds even get chairs? Can they sit down? What happens if you fall asleep - do you get arrested? I would lead a bloody coup against any asshole who couldn't get to the point in less than 40 minutes.

I am loling at when a few hundred paid-off anti-Chavez hooligans go round violently attacking people and it is 'freedom protesting', but when a peaceful pro-people march happens it's someone bad, 100,000 people is quite alot considering the population of Caracas- but I guess they were all lead into it at gunpoint by the evil dictator (meaning democratically elected - but by you're definition: dictator-leftist) Chavez's ebil commissars:rolleyes:

Sounds like another government organised rally ... :p

Well it obviously was if Chavez etc were there, but so what, what's with the anti-incumbency bias here (or more like anti-socialist)...

Well it obviously was if Chavez etc were there, but so what, what's with the anti-incumbency bias here (or more like anti-socialist)...

I'm not anti-socialist, I think Chavez is a dictator posing as socialist. At least, he's a popular dictator for now.

I'm not anti-socialist, I think Chavez is a dictator posing as socialist. At least, he's a popular dictator for now.

Lol, your bias is obvious, would you say that Bush is a dictator, what about Sarkozy? People like you just eat up the right-wing media like clotted cream and then ask for more.

Lol, your bias is obvious, would you say that Bush is a dictator, what about Sarkozy? People like you just eat up the right-wing media like clotted cream and then ask for more.

I don't like Sarkozy, Bush and your non-favorite John Howard. I don't like Chavez either, he's just behaving like Putin - being the strong man for "democracy" while doing the opposite.

I don't like Sarkozy, Bush and your non-favorite John Howard. I don't like Chavez either, he's just behaving like Putin - being the strong man for "democracy" while doing the opposite.
Well I would just say then that you're letting yourself be deceived by the right-wing mainstream media, seriously dude inform yourself properly, Chavez has done more than any previous Venezuelan President to encourage decentralization of the economy into local syndicalist communes and cooperatives, Chavez only shut down one tv channel because they were involved in the military coup and advocated violence? What else has he done supposedly 'wrong'? Under previous right-wing governments the media was highly censored and controlled, and it's freer can ever under Chavez, if Chavez is a dictator he's doing a pretty stupid job of it, seeing as like 20 pro-Chavez tc stations are still on the air, and Chavez pardoned most of the politicians involved in the coup, the rest fleeing to the US. The reason the opposition have no say in parliament is because they refused to participate in elections, pretty stupid if you ask me.

Dude, please watch this documentary - it won an award for being unbiased etc, you'll be surprised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxT6erdLmYY