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I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

Murder isn't a good way to deal with broken contracts. Damages and/or restitution, on the other hand, are.

You won't even make it over the fence, let alone outrun the Secret Service. (US bias)

No it isn't a viable option.

I would only kill someone in self defense, but if it's self defense it's not really murder.

I feel that killing another person for any reason is evil. I would feel justified chaining someone in a cage just large enough to contain them for the rest of their lives even for suggesting such a thing, and poking them with sticks until the day they died. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

I feel that killing another person for any reason is evil. I would feel justified chaining someone in a cage just large enough to contain them for the rest of their lives even for suggesting such a thing, and poking them with sticks until the day they died. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.If you're cornered by someone with a gun and there's no where to escape, you'd rather be killed than try to kill them?

its seems that quite a few people feel that they should be allowed to kill other people for a variety of reasons.

this is why we have courts and prisons to enforce the few commonly agreed upon reasons and punish the rest.

so if you feel the need to shoot someone because they broke their word, i guess thats your business, but you should turn yourself in afterwards and defend your decision in court. and take your prison time afterwards.

i try to minimize the times in my personal life where i depend on the word of other people. its not always possible but these days not so many people believe that their word is their bond.

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.
This doesn't stand up well in the general case. I'd be allowed to shoot you for not shooting me. The difference between this as a moral principle and no moral principles at all is essentially one of self-rationalisation.

Killing someone just for breaking a contract seems to be a bit extreme.

Killing someone just for breaking a contract seems to be a bit extreme.

Be harder to try and force the services you want (through the courts, or maybe just good 'ol kneecapping) if the other party is dead as well. Would only make your life more difficult.

Well, there is always torture. Now that is fun!

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest. Oh spare me, internet tough guy.

"Look! That guy didn't stop smoking like he said he would for his New Year's resolution! Let's go shoot him in the face!"

Ridiculous and laughable is your swagger.

If you're cornered by someone with a gun and there's no where to escape, you'd rather be killed than try to kill them?

That wasn't the question was it? The question was whether or not you'd be fine with just randomly murdering someone that you have judged to have broken some sort...any sort of contract.

Yes, lets shoot this smoking guy in the face.

Yes, lets shoot this smoking guy in the face.

Ugh. You're not even good at being a troll.

Here are the circumstances in which I could kill someone

1. In self-defense
2. If they severely harmed or killed any of my close friends or family
3. As revenge for a past serious offense against myself
4. For a severe break of contract or treason against myself or someone I care about.

I probably would take haste due to the law, but I could guiltlessly kill many people under many circumstances.

If you shoot them in the face then you'll never get what they promised you.

If you're cornered by someone with a gun and there's no where to escape, you'd rather be killed than try to kill them?

Compare and contrast posts 1 and 6.

its seems that quite a few people feel that they should be allowed to kill other people for a variety of reasons.

this is why we have courts and prisons to enforce the few commonly agreed upon reasons and punish the rest.

so if you feel the need to shoot someone because they broke their word, i guess thats your business, but you should turn yourself in afterwards and defend your decision in court. and take your prison time afterwards.

i try to minimize the times in my personal life where i depend on the word of other people. its not always possible but these days not so many people believe that their word is their bond.

Peoples' word is shit to me. I wouldn't specifically be inclined to kill anyone simply by breach of contract because I'm not pissed off when people lie. Everyone is a liar at one point or another. But if it was a contract breach with grave effects, I may think a bit differently.

And the legal system is equally as useless to rely on for proper justice. It doesn't punish crime, it punishes the stupidity of doing something and then getting caught.

If murder were a viable option for what the OP states we wouldn't have any politicians left. :D

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

I feel that shooting someone for breaking a contract is the most ridiculous, fucked up and unjustified act.

Peoples' word is shit to me. I wouldn't specifically be inclined to kill anyone simply by breach of contract because I'm not pissed off when people lie. Everyone is a liar at one point or another. But if it was a contract breach with grave effects, I may think a bit differently.

And the legal system is equally as useless to rely on for proper justice. It doesn't punish crime, it punishes the stupidity of doing something and then getting caught.

See, part of the reason we have a legal system is to prevent vigilantism. But hey, it's all okay when it's you being judge, jury and executioner, no? Bet you'd change your tune when someone else decided you were a sack of shit who needed to die. Then it would be all 'help me, help me police!' Oh no wait, we're in that alternate internet universe where you are all tough guys with big guns who shoot attackers like swatting flies and are never scared of anything.

Right.

Neesika -- is it even worth the effort of using logic here? The whole premise is a troll.

Neesika -- is it even worth the effort of using logic here? The whole premise is a troll.

If you can't attempt logic with the illogical, then what, pray tell, is the point?

It may be an exercise in futility, but that presumes that humans are, on average, logical. And it's still exercise.

Neesika -- is it even worth the effort of using logic here? The whole premise is a troll.
Ah, let her do it. It's exercising her brain. Exercising our brains against trolls help keep our minds sharp.

It wouldn't be murder. It would be a homicide.

I feel that killing another person for any reason is evil. I would feel justified chaining someone in a cage just large enough to contain them for the rest of their lives even for suggesting such a thing, and poking them with sticks until the day they died. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.That sounds rather more evil, to me. You might as well give one good poke, through the heart say, and be done with it. No need to cause undue suffering (but then, I suppose 'undue-ness' is a relative term).

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would.I wonder how often you made a promise to your parents that you didn't keep..

Regardless, shooting someone in the face is plain wrong. While effective it is far too messy. It is discourteous to whoever has to clean up after you, as well as to next of kin (assuming you haven't killed those off). If you feel a need to kill someone, either do it cleanly in a way that allows for a funeral service with an open casket, or don't do it at all (that latter of which is generally preferable, because in the large scheme of things killing someone doesn't do anyone any good, least of all yourself).

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

Define "justice"? I think under those circumstances you're fully justified to duel them. Pistols at twenty paces, and they get to shoot first (you challenged). Or they could choose an alternate weapon. Just shooting them when they're defenseless is most ungentlemanly, even 250 years ago.

Define "justice"?
Justice is the appeasement of the vindictive nature of humanity.

Anyone care to disagree?

Justice is the appeasement of the vindictive nature of humanity.

Anyone care to disagree?Sure.
Justice is, instead, the comforting lie that all is right in the world.
People may be dead, towns may be burnt and pillaged, but justice has be dealt, so everything is ultimately ok, so sleep sound.

See, part of the reason we have a legal system is to prevent vigilantism. But hey, it's all okay when it's you being judge, jury and executioner, no? Bet you'd change your tune when someone else decided you were a sack of shit who needed to die. Then it would be all 'help me, help me police!' Oh no wait, we're in that alternate internet universe where you are all tough guys with big guns who shoot attackers like swatting flies and are never scared of anything.

Right.

I'm an anarchist, not a hippie shit.

Idiots think anarchism is about total chaos, which is not what it is about at all. But I'd prefer total chaos to the current world.

I wonder how often you made a promise to your parents that you didn't keep..

Regardless, shooting someone in the face is plain wrong. While effective it is far too messy. It is discourteous to whoever has to clean up after you, as well as to next of kin (assuming you haven't killed those off). If you feel a need to kill someone, either do it cleanly in a way that allows for a funeral service with an open casket, or don't do it at all (that latter of which is generally preferable, because in the large scheme of things killing someone doesn't do anyone any good, least of all yourself).

You have an "interesting" moral ideology to say the least.

You have an "interesting" moral ideology to say the least.You make it tempting to pretend I was entirely serious.. :)

Yes, lets shoot this smoking guy in the face.


Only if he's smoking live babies.

I'm an anarchist, not a hippie shit.

Idiots think anarchism is about total chaos, which is not what it is about at all. But I'd prefer total chaos to the current world.

You're preaching to the perverted buddy...and were you a 'hippie shit' you wouldn't be acting like a tough guy. In any case, believing that you possess the qualities to judge a person worthy of death is unadulterated hubris, and has no place in anarchist ideals.

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

If you want to get life in prison/death penalty, murder is a viable option.

I suggest you read Crime and Punishment.

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

*whispers* run man! I advocated killing in many of my threads here. Run before the NSG mobs gets a chance to sharpen their flaming pitchforks! :eek:


*runs*

*runs*

*skewers you with torch and sets you on fire with pitchfork*

Woops..

Killing is only acceptable when it saves lives (or is very likely to save lives).

Two reasons I'd kill someone:

Defense of my own health and safety (possibly including property)

Defense of someone else's health and safety (not including property)

O..K . I didn't really even understand what you were meaning in the OP. I know your are talking about murder. Could murder ever be justified? In my eyes yeah.. but It would be so in depth and so complicated (most times)that if I was the one accused I'd probably take my sentence just to get them to leave me the hell alone. I'm buzzed and don't want to think about this anymore.

I would feel justified shooting someone in the face should they not abide by that which they said they would. Morally I find I am not conflicted by this in the slightest.

Does anyone have anyone comments regarding individuals, breaking contracts either written, or verbal?

Would you do that to your own mother or father or wife?

If not, then you're not abiding by what you said, and I feel justified in shooting you in the face.