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Yet another exponent of the Religion of Peace offers his sage advice, this time on domestic relations:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1594.htm

Yep, Saudi cleric “Dr. Mo” had some choice observations alright. I especially liked this one:

“Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals.” (Clip 02:20)

Animals too! How considerate of you.

And then there’s this:

“If you beat her with a toothpick (!), or if you beat her lightly with your hand, and so on, it is meant to convey: “Woman, it has gone too far. I can’t bear it anymore.” (Clip 00:54)

So, if lord-and-master “can’t bear it anymore,” go ahead and whack her. Just keep it light!

NB: “Dr. Mo’s” advice exactly tracks the following instruction, direct from GOD HIMSELF ( :rolleyes: ):

YUSUFALI: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).”

PICKTHAL: “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.”

SHAKIR: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

--Sura 4:34 (as translated by the Reliable Scholars at the University of Southern California USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim texts http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html )

Emperor Manuel II Paleologus was spot on.

Well, "Dr. Mo", be assured that no women I'm related to are going to be treated in the way you, your prophet or your god instruct. Better Dr. Phil than you.

From now on, I'm going to beat everybody who annoys me with a toothpick.

If you're so interested in what Islam has to say (and only the most fringe and strawman-esque of its clerics too, which you ironically treat as if they were the Muslim equivalent to the Pope), why don't you go ahead and convert to Wahhabi-ism?

I should point out in the old testament there's no shortage of times when violence is advocated. Don't try to take the high ground, you can't hold it.

Most religions advocate it. Even xtianity.

English common law regulates the size of the stick you may use on your wife's buttocks.

It is not a real shocker, this guy is getting way to much airtime.

I should point out in the old testament there's no shortage of times when violence is advocated. Don't try to take the high ground, you can't hold it.

"You underestimate Allah's power!"

"You underestimate Allah's power!"

An invisible man with power. Hmmm. Heard this one before....

Yet another exponent of the Religion of Peace offers his sage advice, this time on domestic relations:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1594.htm

Yep, Saudi cleric “Dr. Mo” had some choice observations alright. I especially liked this one:

“Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals.” (Clip 02:20)

Animals too! How considerate of you.

And then there’s this:

“If you beat her with a toothpick (!), or if you beat her lightly with your hand, and so on, it is meant to convey: “Woman, it has gone too far. I can’t bear it anymore.” (Clip 00:54)

So, if lord-and-master “can’t bear it anymore,” go ahead and whack her. Just keep it light!

NB: “Dr. Mo’s” advice exactly tracks the following instruction, direct from GOD HIMSELF ( :rolleyes: ):

YUSUFALI: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).”

PICKTHAL: “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.”

SHAKIR: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

--Sura 4:34 (as translated by the Reliable Scholars at the University of Southern California USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim texts http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html )

Emperor Manuel II Paleologus was spot on.

Well, "Dr. Mo", be assured that no women I'm related to are going to be treated in the way you, your prophet or your god instruct. Better Dr. Phil than you.

Don't let it get to you, the guys a typical fundie.

They're all like this, no matter what religion they adhere to.

I should point out in the old testament there's no shortage of times when violence is advocated. Don't try to take the high ground, you can't hold it.

Exactly. I consider myself a Christian, but I recognize the Bible has many unsavory aspects, and I do not take all of it literally; nor do I subscribe to "Young Earth" Creationism or other bullshit.

An Evil Muslims thread. Why am I not surprised?

I should point out in the old testament there's no shortage of times when violence is advocated. Don't try to take the high ground, you can't hold it.

First, two wrongs don't make a right. You can't defend Koranic evil by pointing to Old Testament violence.

Second, I live by the New Testament, not the Old Testament.

Third, I don't take all of the New Testament literally, especially obsolete teachings on the submissiveness of wives and the like.

Fourth, you find me a single New Testament verse in which Jesus Christ approves of, let alone orders, abuse of women, and I'll buy you a beer ;)

So actually, I can both take the high ground and hold it.

An Evil Muslims thread. Why am I not surprised?

A sarcastic Islamophile posting. Why am I not surprised?

Don't let the facts get in the way, like a good little dhimmi. Oh, and send the jizya to Riyadh, I hear the need the money ;)

I should point out in the old testament there's no shortage of times when violence is advocated. Don't try to take the high ground, you can't hold it.



Newer Burmecia An Evil Muslims thread. Why am I not surprised?

Lmao id take the pee out of any christian who said it was okay to beat a woman with a toothpick just like i am laughing at the numpty Dr Mo. who is on about muslims this time
So if either of you find stupid comments by silly religious idiots post them up please (and that goes for all religions not just Islam and Christianity)



Until you do im off to get myself some toothpicks and a gaurdwench lol

First, two wrongs don't make a right. You can't defend Koranic evil by pointing to Old Testament violence..

No, one merely places it in context. Then you could mention what happens in the less well off parts of the world who aren't Islamic, thereby exposing this for the politically motivated bolloxology it actually is.


Second, I live by the New Testament, not the Old Testament. ..

Bit like Hans Christian Anderson Vs The Brothers Grimm.



Third, I don't take all of the New Testament literally, especially obsolete teachings on the submissiveness of wives and the like.

Fourth, you find me a single New Testament verse in which Jesus Christ approves of, let alone orders, abuse of women, and I'll buy you a beer ;)
..

Some christians do. Therefore, following your standard approach to muslims, you're all the same and you are as bad as they are.


So actually, I can both take the high ground and hold it.

Personally, I reckon you'd be incapable of remembering to tuck in your lad before pulling up your fly, given the extent of your analytical skills on display here.

hmmmm just wondering is this an evil muslim thread because its another thread about something just 1 stupid cleric has said or is it evil because we find it funny and you take it seriously .... and does that mean you agree with Dr Mo that toothpick beatings are/should be the normal thing if you think this is an anti muslim thread

seems to me your tarring all of the muslims/Islam with the same brush if you think they all agree with tooth pick beating other wise you'd have said it was funny but dont judge islam by one cleric/a small minority
Your reply is almost as bigoted as the people that are anti islam who think all muslims are bad Newer Burmecia - i thought the koran was supposed to be about peace etc

There's a religion that advocates something ridiculous? Get the fuck out, really? And someone who agrees with it? Well I bet that's never happened before.

There's a religion that advocates something ridiculous? Get the fuck out, really? And someone who agrees with it? Well I bet that's never happened before.


Never, ever, ever. Until Mohammed.

A sarcastic Islamophile posting. Why am I not surprised?
Because it's difficult to take the Islamofacist Muslim Conspiracy line seriously any more?

Don't let the facts get in the way, like a good little dhimmi. Oh, and send the jizya to Riyadh, I hear the need the money ;)
Let the 'facts' get in the way of what, exactly? One nut thinks men should abuse women. He isn't the first one, the only one, nor the last one. It's yet another distasteful idiot, and there's plenty of them about, nothing more or less. He's not representing or representative of anything, as with every other religious nutter.

Oh, and I'll take the islamophile remark as a compliment, thanks.

Lmao id take the pee out of any christian who said it was okay to beat a woman with a toothpick just like i am laughing at the numpty Dr Mo. who is on about muslims this time
So if either of you find stupid comments by silly religious idiots post them up please (and that goes for all religions not just Islam and Christianity)
There's enough idiots in any religion not to make that particulary difficult.

Until you do im off to get myself some toothpicks and a gaurdwench lol
lol indeed.:rolleyes:

I wonder if Mit ever gets tired of posting meaningless threads based on isolated events to "prove" lies he calls facts and then calling anyone that disagrees with him an "islamophile" or "islamofascist" and so on.

lol indeed.:rolleyes:

well im glad you saw the humour in my reply ... tis a shame you cant see the humour in what Dr Mo said ..... the only way this is anti Islam is if the OP tried to make Islam look bad ... and as with all religions there are way worse things he could have picked out to use so im guessing he found it as ammusing as everyone else
(and yes i can maybe see if you are (or anyone) a muslim you could feel stuff like this is anti muslim but in my eyes threads like this where someone posts something rediculas said by one person is just because it was a ridiculas statement to make .... if it was proper anti muslim you would find me taking a smimilar stance to you .. all religions should be allowed to exist as long as they dont effect people who dont want to be effected)

Guys, this isn't just one nut. There are whole countries that have laws preventing women from doing things without a man's permission. Are there any christian countries that do that? Any oppressive atheist friendly countries?

No, one merely places it in context. Then you could mention what happens in the less well off parts of the world who aren't Islamic, thereby exposing this for the politically motivated bolloxology it actually is.

I'm guessing this must have been meant to convey some kind of intelligible concept, but if so, it fails to do so.

Bit like Hans Christian Anderson Vs The Brothers Grimm.

IYO.


Some christians do. Therefore, following your standard approach to muslims, you're all the same and you are as bad as they are.

A profoundly ignorant statement. Either that or deliberately dishonest. I suspect the latter.

Suffice it to say that my Church does not regard as "leaving Christianity" the questioning or "denial" of any verse of the New Testament, while Islamic Shariah law in fact condemns as "apostasy", punishable by death, "to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it." So Islam demands acceptance of each and every Koranic verse, including Sura 4:34.

And how typical of someone with your views to make anatomical references. So I've got one for you: I could try to see things from your point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my @$$. :rolleyes:

I'm guessing this must have been meant to convey some kind of intelligible concept, but if so, it fails to do so. :

Thats what some people used say about foreign languages. However the fact that you are incapable of understanding it in no way undermines its accuracy.



IYO.:

No, its a fairly common sort of analogy for comparing two sets of myths. 'Red Riding Hood' vs 'The three little pigs' works too. Many trot that kind of thing out when dealing with "My invisible man is more valid than yours" types, such as yourself. No shaggin reason in the world not to apply it with "My version of the invisible....."



A profoundly ignorant statement. Either that or deliberately dishonest. I suspect the latter..:

You constantly dredge up the most extreme examples and then place them beside some rephrasing of "the religon of peace", thus attempting to blacken the majority. Why is it invalid to do that with you and Fred Phelps, Falwell, or the Lords Army in Uganda? And 'I doan like it' is not a reason, IMO.


Suffice it to say that my Church does not regard as "leaving Christianity" the questioning or "denial" of any verse of the New Testament, while Islamic Shariah law in fact condemns as "apostasy", punishable by death, "to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it." So Islam demands acceptance of each and every Koranic verse, including Sura 4:34...:

And your bible condemns some to be put to death for Homosexuality. Phelps would like that. He's a christian, you're a christian, therefore you are as bad as him. See? If its good enough to apply to Islam, its perfectly good enough for you. Fucking lovely means of thinking I must say. Simplifies the whole world down to a level even the lowest inbred religous-book-of-choice thumping idiot can understand.


And how typical of someone with your views to make anatomical references. So I've got one for you: I could try to see things from your point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my @$$. :rolleyes:

Dear me, if you're that anally retentive that you have self-censor the word "ass",you should be more worried to see if anything can actually come out that end, let alone go up it....As it is, things seems to have been redirected orally.....

From now on, I'm going to beat everybody who annoys me with a toothpick.

Which do you mean: that you're going to use a toothpick to beat them, or that you're going to beat them if THEY use a toothpick? lol :p

"You underestimate Allah's power!"

No, YOU overestimate Allah's power! Allah is a fictional being created by Mohammed.

(*five-second pause*)

Or is it the other way around? lol :p :rolleyes:

First, two wrongs don't make a right. You can't defend Koranic evil by pointing to Old Testament violence.

Second, I live by the New Testament, not the Old Testament.

Third, I don't take all of the New Testament literally, especially obsolete teachings on the submissiveness of wives and the like.

Fourth, you find me a single New Testament verse in which Jesus Christ approves of, let alone orders, abuse of women, and I'll buy you a beer ;)

So actually, I can both take the high ground and hold it.

Exactly! Why can't the anti-religious atheist bigots get that through their thick heads? God may have ordered His people in the Old Testament to attack other nations, but the New Testament does not advocate such a thing.

Old Testament Israel was a theocratic, political kingdom, but the Church is not a political kingdom with power to force its beliefs on people who do not wish to be a part of it; the Church is a spiritual body of "believers" who have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Savior and are commanded by Him to tell others about it, not to force or coerce them to believe like we do. If they do not wish to believe like we do, that's their choice and we have no reason to begrudge them their right to differ from us. We are simply commanded to "PREACH the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15), and to "Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations" (Matthew 28:19), not hold them at gunpoint and make them accpet Jesus as their personal Savior.

In fact, Paul the Apostle says "we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12) [emphases mine].

Exactly! Why can't the anti-religious atheist bigots get that through their thick heads? God may have ordered His people in the Old Testament to attack other nations, but the New Testament does not advocate such a thing.

Old Testament Israel was a theocratic, political kingdom, but the Church is not a political kingdom with power to force its beliefs on people who do not wish to be a part of it; the Church is a spiritual body of "believers" who have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Savior and are commanded by Him to tell others about it, not to force or coerce them to believe like we do. If they do not wish to believe like we do, that's their choice and we have no reason to begrudge them their right to differ from us. We are simply commanded to "PREACH the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15), and to "Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations" (Matthew 28:19), not hold them at gunpoint and make them accpet Jesus as their personal Savior.

In fact, Paul the Apostle says "we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12) [emphases mine].

I think your knowledge of history is rather lacking. Still being called a anti-religious atheist bigot from someone who lacks the basic knowledge of the subject he propounds upon is rather like being savaged by a wet sponge.

Ineffectual in other words.

Which do you mean: that you're going to use a toothpick to beat them, or that you're going to beat them if THEY use a toothpick? lol :pI'm going to violently assault them with a toothpick. The only way it would hurt them is if I jammed it into their eye, but that would be poking, not beating. So, they probably won't even notice the toothpick attack and thus have no reason to punch me in the face, but I still get to take out my rage on them. It's a win-win situation.

Second, I live by the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
Then you should really enjoy this (http://www.interviewwithgod.com/beatitudes/).

So actually, I can both take the high ground and hold it.
Methinks not!!

Exactly. I consider myself a Christian, but I recognize the Bible has many unsavory aspects, and I do not take all of it literally; nor do I subscribe to "Young Earth" Creationism or other bullshit.

Earth is only 5,000 years old! We lived with the dinosaurs, but we somehow completely forgot about it! There was never an ice age!

EARTH HAD A BLANKET OF WATER COVERING IT IN OUTERSPACE! ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GOD!

Guys, this isn't just one nut. There are whole countries that have laws preventing women from doing things without a man's permission. Are there any christian countries that do that? Any oppressive atheist friendly countries?

lmao you mean there are more clerics out there saying smack your mrs with a tooth pick??? lmao if so thats well funny


now if you want a serious reply theres a big group of nuts (males only (really)) that believe and say/tell a woman she isnt even entitled/ALLOWED to have an abortion even if she is raped (yay for free will?... well unless you some how think thats not oppressive clodfelter??))
and im sure there are women struggling and fighting to actually be able to preach run weddings etc in your 'christian countries' ... sounds like there not equal to me
not to mention telling all both males and females they cant have *cough*sex*cough* before getting hitched

and you know one of the first countries to actually accept sex changes as official ... nah wasnt one of those forward thinking countries with peoples rights and free will that are thought to be (how did you put it) 'Christian Countries' noooo it was the backwards thinking marjority based Muslim country called Iran ... hows that for evil and oppressive go figure eh

lmao you mean there are more clerics out there saying smack your mrs with a tooth pick??? lmao if so thats well funny


now if you want a serious reply theres a big group of nuts (males only (really)) that believe and say/tell a woman she isnt even entitled/ALLOWED to have an abortion even if she is raped (yay for free will?... well unless you some how think thats not oppressive clodfelter??))
and im sure there are women struggling and fighting to actually be able to preach run weddings etc in your 'christian countries' ... sounds like there not equal to me

and you know one of the first countries to actually accept sex changes as official ... nah wasnt one of those forward thinking countries with peoples rights and free will that are thought to be (how did you put it) 'Christian Countries' noooo it was the backwards thinking marjority based Muslim country called Iran ... hows that for evil and oppressive go figure ehYeah, christians have a bunch of their own problems. But are there any christian countries that have reached the level of oppression that saudi arabia has? Seriously, I'd like to know.

And I believe there are a lot of people out there who think that women should always obey men and be hurt for disobedience. It's not really that funny.

Yeah, christians have a bunch of their own problems. But are there any christian countries that have reached the level of oppression that saudi arabia has? Seriously, I'd like to know.


hmmm im sure britian had hanging floggings and other punishments until relitivly recently like in Saudi
The USA still has the death penalty
Early Italy had crucifixs
Im pretty sure a lot of the world has only just started to change stuff relating to gay rights
about the only thing different i can think of is the no alchol law .. and heck they tried that in the USA

So what is it you think that is so different that these 'Christian Countries' have done that these other countries havent?


missed your edit soz

And I believe there are a lot of people out there who think that women should always obey men and be hurt for disobedience. It's not really that funny.

hey where have i said i think woman beating is okay?? please tell me .... and if you class woman beating as hitting them with a tooth pick you got to have massive tooth picks where it is you live.and to be fair any man that uses a tooth pick to beat a woman either has very phychotic problems if he actually managed to caused pain (just checking ... do you know what a tooth pick is??)
Heck i think even if the hardest man in the world threatened me with a tooth pick and i knew he was going to kill me with the blunt part of it i would still laugh (to start with lol)

And if thats not clear enough .... NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER SUFFER AT A ANOTHER MANS HANDS (or womans and nor she should have a mans opion forced upon them (btw i like how you skipped over the christian oppression bits )

I'm not talking about until relatively recently, I mean right now.

Yes, killing people is bad, but I'm talking about HURTING WOMEN. Are women in america banned from using banks? Does the dress code for american women involve blankets?

[QUOTE=Sofar King What;13184413hey where have i said i think woman beating is okay?? please tell me .... and if you class woman beating as hitting them with a tooth pick you got to have massive tooth picks and to be fair any man that uses a tooth pick to beat a woman either has very phychotic problems if he actually managed to caused pain (just checking ... do you know what a tooth pick is??)

And if thats not clear enough .... NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER SUFFER AT A ANOTHER MANS HANDS (or womans and nor she should have a mans opion forced upon them (btw i like how you skipped over the christian oppression bits to attack me personaly trying to say i advocate woman beating)[/QUOTE]You didn't saying woman beating is ok, but you said that nobody else advocated hitting people with toothpicks. Maybe that's true, but there are many people who advocate beating women with fists.

That's not a personal attack, calm down.

I'm not talking about until relatively recently, I mean right now.

Yes, killing people is bad, but I'm talking about HURTING WOMEN. Are women in america banned from using banks? Does the dress code for american women involve blankets?

Lol until relivivly recently Saudia Arabia was still considered by your 'Christan Countries' as not a first world country ..... have a look at how delevloped most of the countries are your comparing ..... and you only have to look in this very forum to see Saudi Arabia is catching up and its laws are going to to change (case of a boy being raped and maybe facing jail ... but its being challenged

Heck i bet not all of Saudia Arabia has got electricity yet (yes thats me still assuming it slightly behind still which makes me an arse but sorry i havent been there) .... but i know laws regaurding gays in britian werent challanged until the 40's and most of britian had electricity then

seriously you need to compare countries like that to what your country was like back then develpment wise (saudi arabia must be having a nightmare because development has happened so fast ... imagen in a 60 year time span going from being able to buy a wife/beat her to stay at home dads becoming normal and women being the main income in what 20 years .... theyve had 1/3rd the time to adjust .... now do you think thats fair weve been allowed the time but are still not there fully yet or jumping on them who have had even less time)

Maybe that's true, but there are many people who advocate beating women with fists.

i guess that never happens over where you live either?? i know in the UK they have lots of womens shelters for abused women ... they might not publically advocate but it sure happens a lot
(heck will even annoy you now and say weve gone one futher and we now have S+M clubs over here where its promoted for fun and the women (and men) consent to it ... now that is scary lol)

and wow you know with the missing UK girl madaline ... everyone admired the mother for staying quiet for the first load of interviews .... in the reports it was all she remained quiet and said nothing just looked sad etc .... not one paper said 'why doesnt she speak or say something!!'

I don't care about s&m clubs.

Yes, women are abused everywhere, but in the UK and america it's considered bad. In some muslim countries, it's considered ok to rape a women if she doesn't follow the dress code. See the difference? That's not just one nut, it's not just a percentage of violent jerks, its several whole countries of women who are forced to wear blankets and have no legal system to prevent them from getting attacked if they don't.

I don't care about s&m clubs.

Yes, women are abused everywhere, but in the UK and america it's considered bad. In some muslim countries, it's considered ok to rape a women if she doesn't follow the dress code. See the difference? That's not just one nut, it's not just a percentage of violent jerks, its several whole countries of women who are forced to wear blankets and have no legal system to prevent them from getting attacked if they don't.


lmfao over here lots of people think women are asking for it if they look hot (its almost considered a normal thought even though not publically said .... and if your from a strict christian backround man they are as bad as the strict muslims)... and im sure there have been loads of stories about women being date raped
Im not saying your wrong .... im saying you seem to think the 'christian countries' are massivly different .... legally they might be getting there and morally ... but its only just happening

whats more messed up in your opinion ... the USA having so many different laws in each state or one country abiding by one lot of laws? How come you can buy cigs in one place cheaper, prossies are legal in another the death penalty in others
In Australia you cant buy pron or fireworks anywhere in the whole country ... oh except one state
In britain the scots get funding for scot kids to go to univercity and yet the english have to pay

and lol at you using the blanket thing ..... you know since all the grief with 9/11 etc ... even moderate muslims are now wearing the (sp >.<) hajib because they feel that its a way they can defend and prove there a muslim and thet not all muslims are bad .... so your Christian states spamming rubbish like you are about how evil XXXXXXcountry because its a muslim majority are actually making more women wear them ..... yeah go christianity and people like you make muslim women feel they have to wear them when they dont (and no im not saying some are forced to wear them where we live ... but more and more are whereing them as a protest and proof of faith because of posts like yours
(heck ive even considered going to church which i havent been to since a child cus of the extremists and to see a mosque at prayer time because of people that think like you .... but then i remember religion causes more trouble than the good it does)


and lol we have whole groups of nuts legally allowed in ours .. BNP in the UK, SVP in switzerland ... imagen wanting to get rid of people just because they were raised/family raised in a hotter country where there skin ended up darker

Oh yeah ... and whats pakistan had the USA is all excited over ..... a FEMALE/ woman president ... there all backwards lol ..... everywhere has backwards people ... you just got to avoid the trap of thinking they are all like it (heck im sure there are girls still going to school in Iraq and Afgan now even though its illegal and they face death)

the west is okay imo ... its thoughts like yours that cause the danger to us and inspire the extremists in over places

Yeah, every country has a bunch of jerks, I already said that. The question is, in what countries is it normal to be a jerk? In america, it's not considered normal to think women are asking for it. Chrisitans have their own problems, they can't accept gays, they won't allow stem cell research, they have a lot of sexually assulted boys, and they make terrible rock music. But let's compare that to muslim problems: not allowing women to go anywhere, buy anything, or say anything without a man's permission, suicide bombings, obsession with destroying israel, a bunch of ak-47s everywhere, nationwide internet censorship. Don't you see why having a small gang of racist crazies within a mostly fair country is not the same as having a few female high school students within a mostly misogynistic country?

whats more messed up in your opinion ... the USA having so many different laws in each state or one country abiding by one lot of laws? How come you can buy cigs in one place cheaper, prossies are legal in another the death penalty in othersThat's EXACTLY what makes the USA so successful. Every state must compete with each other. Also, it means you can find a place you like without leaving the country. Not happy with gun control laws in massachusettes? No problem, just drive 20 minutes to new hampshire.

Yeah, every country has a bunch of jerks, I already said that. The question is, in what countries is it normal to be a jerk? In america, it's not considered normal to think women are asking for it. Chrisitans have their own problems, they can't accept gays, they won't allow stem cell research, they have a lot of sexually assulted boys, and they make terrible rock music. But let's compare that to muslim problems: not allowing women to go anywhere, buy anything, or say anything without a man's permission, suicide bombings, obsession with destroying israel, a bunch of ak-47s everywhere, nationwide internet censorship. Don't you see why having a small gang of racist crazies within a mostly fair country is not the same as having a few female high school students within a mostly misogynistic country?

That's EXACTLY what makes the USA so successful. Every state must compete with each other. Also, it means you can find a place you like without leaving the country. Not happy with gun control laws in massachusettes? No problem, just drive 20 minutes to new hampshire.


The question is, in what countries is it normal to be a jerk? Chrisitans have their own problems, they can't accept gays, they won't allow stem cell research, they have a lot of sexually assulted boys, and they make terrible rock music.
deleted out the women asking for it even though a lot of rapists claim they were etc... the rest pretty jerkist imo lol(no off to and USAers reading as its just life)

Not allowing women to go anywhere ... theyve only just been allowed in golf clubs and allowed to compete in certain competitions (whats the USA ladies name that beat the bloke in the first tennis men vs women tennis comp anyone???)

Suicide bombing ... gah please tell me where they allow that ... heck suicide is forbidden in the Koran .... you will find thats an extremists view

Destroying Isreal .... can you balme them??? we dropped Isreal on them .... i hope (pray if you want!) that isreal survives til they catch up with the rest of the world politically and mordernly(though we invaded iraq for no reason :confused:)... but what would you say i i moved say all people with blonde hair into your country and called in Blondom?? ... not saying doing that is right but what would be your thoughts?? (and im pro isreal btw just sucks its worked out so bad)
*edit* and lololol if it wasnt for one extremist getting into power in a 'christian country' (Hitler and Germany) there would never have been an Isreal but he mass killed etc etc and displaced so many that a new country being created was the easy option ... and note it was built in an already christian country

Nation wide internet .... heck china has allowed the internet but the 'christan countries' allowed censorship for money .. go figure ... and im pretty sure they have the internet etc in places over there ... i think its just not readily available (if not hows all that extremist crap get online??)

Lol the Racist crazies just got into power in switzerld and im sure you read about one of there posters (sheep)
(also note BUSH and Blair are both into Christianity etc and look at there most notable actions .... are you telling me they did what the majority wanted?? and i think you will find in both Iraq Afagn Pakistan Saudi etc the crazies are not inpower but using people like you with your posts to get suypport and power)

as for the females in school .... heck it was almost with in my life time (and im only 27) that co-ed/mixed classes happened in the UK (and i know for a fact we still only have girl only/boy only schools (and lololol they are still continually updating the lessons etc ... read a thread here the other day that the californians are moaning they have to update all text books to include stuff for gays... yay for keeping up with the times .. how long ago was gfay sex realised ... ah but you said that doesn count as recent isnt the same as now (or something very similar))

Every state having a different law makes the USA so succesful??? Your talking like states are different countries .. dont like the rules move country (eg.the UK formula 1 champ is moving to switzerland for one reason really ... why ... the tax laws) .... thats one of the options in the poll for if Hillary gets in lmao
The only way it is succesful (and it is a great thing when it works lol) is when they find one thing that works all the other states jump on the band wagon ..... and that will happen in the 'non christian countries' (not my words but dont know how else to describe them barr middle east which is a bit of a blanket word)

In Australia you cant buy pron or fireworks anywhere in the whole country ... oh except one state


Not quite correct. pr0n can be legally bought and sold as long as you're over 18. Mostly correct on the fireworks, though. And it's not a state you can buy them in - it's a territory. The ACT to be exact.

Not quite correct. pr0n can be legally bought and sold as long as you're over 18. Mostly correct on the fireworks, though. And it's not a state you can buy them in - it's a territory. The ACT to be exact.

gah trust an aussie to be online :D

noted ... but was just using it as an example so he got the idea/princeple .... can i get away with posting australia has rules on fireworks in its 'territories' (soz to any auzzie if states annoyed you) if i just say it here do you think :D:D
(and Yay in the mighty yUK you can buy fireworks at 16 yo)


(not a clue what you meant about the ACT though >.< soz... one day i will annoy the aussies in person and find out for myself lol)

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