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Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

Smoking kicks ass!

In Soviet Russia, cigarette smokes YOU!!

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.


What's cool is being selected to participate in an inaugural human prosection (dissection and preparation of cadavers for presentation and study) class. Our subject had been a smoker; the black spots all over the lungs were numerous and clear. Seeing pictures in a textbook during "health" class is one thing. But there isn't anything quite like holding the actual diseased lobe in one's hand.


-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.


Racist class warfare is the point of the "War on Drugs" in general, yes.


-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it.


Normally I'd agree, but I've found that smokers have this annoying tendency to stand in places I have to be, such as right outside doors through which I must walk. Thus, the choice to be exposed is made for me by some else.

That, and smokers have this annoying tendency to amass around me after I go to the trouble of finding an area where they are not around. Again, the choice is made for me by someone else.

In this way, the smoker's need to make choices for other people in this manner is highly similar to the behavior of obnoxious cell-phone users...


-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

Tell that to the diseased lobe of lung I held in my own hands, as described above.

Tell that to the diseased lobe of lung I held in my own hands, as described above.

Pink healthy lung lobes are totally boring. It's the cool diseased black spotted one that you'll remember and make internet posts about.

Pink healthy lung lobes are totally boring. It's the cool diseased black spotted one that you'll remember and make internet posts about.
Yes. I'll make one. We once dissected a human lung of a heavy smoker. The consistency and the look was like that of an old moldy chocolate cake. Yum.

Cigarettes are good for me because they are bad for you.

There are no benefits to smoking whatsoever and a whole bunch of downsides.

If you like being conned, then smoking's for you.

Smoking crack is not only cool, it's glamorous. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=en1i14U-pXY) Same goes for tobacco.

Why do lefties want to legalize pot but ban tobacco?

Go ahead! Send your health insurance premiums into the sky.

Thanks for helping my Altria stock, guys! Now it's time to invest in biotech companies to make money at both ends of the process. Get 'em hooked, get 'em sick, and then cure 'em. Cash at every step in the process.

Muahahaha! Thank you for smoking.

There are no benefits to smoking whatsoever and a whole bunch of downsides.

If you like being conned, then smoking's for you.

Same goes for many things in life. There's no real benefits to booze and many, many downsides. Does that stop you? It sure as hell doesn't stop me.

Well we all know smoking a cig can look cool. But real life lacks b&w and cool ass slow motion .. so it's not always cool. Smoke for effect and only then.. hence rarely smoke ever and never get addicted. Cool!

Better yet.. just use a joint.

Same goes for many things in life. There's no real benefits to booze and many, many downsides. Does that stop you? It sure as hell doesn't stop me.

There is a benefit to booze - you get drunk - there's a benefit to chocolate, it both provides nutrients as well as releasing endorphins.

There is no benefit to cigarettes.

Intake nicotine - withdrawal - relieve withdrawal by....intake nicotine.

The only relief you're getting is from feeling withdrawn from the very thing that you intake.

Alcohol has an effect, it alters perception, lowers inhibitions - for all it's bad qualities, it has some great qualities as well - nicotine has none.

I'm not for banning nicotine, I rather agree with Vetalia's post - smoke away fools.

Smoking is fun, especially socially.

*lights up* I'm gonna be a black brother, if only on the inside. But hey, it's what's on the inside that counts, right?

Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

Apparent redundancy is apparent. :)

Why do lefties want to legalize pot but ban tobacco?

Tobacco - a pesticide that is used in greenhouses to kill bugs.

Pot - a substance that will rarely, if ever, kill you.

Clearer now?

smoking belongs in sacred ritual where it was ripped off from.

tobacco isn't the healtiest herb even for this use, but i was mostly harmless before it became an industry to supply a habit of recreational consumption.

it isn't neurotropic enough to be worth becoming addicted to and it is the second most adictive substance known to planet earth.

nor is it a moral right to kill others with second hand smoke, which may actually be MORE deadly then inhailing it yourself.

of course smoking anything irritates throat and lung linings, increasing their suseptability to a variety of illnessess.

what you do to yourself IS your own concern. what you do to anybody else, is EVERYONE's concern.

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Lung cancer is cool.

I don’t smoke. I don’t care if you do. I leave the area if it bothers me. Smoke if you want to.

there are those who think what others think of them is the measure of coolness. this may be a useful concern in politics. personally i'm a lot more interested in and concerned about the kind of world we all have to live in.

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The best part of smoking is what you could end up living with. Instead of dying young, you could spend twenty-five or more years with emphyzema or have a tracheotomy. Voice Boxes rock! I see those old people wheeling around their oxygen tanks and say to myself; Now that looks like fun! :)

There's no better way to show how awesome you are than to end up a complete invalid. *nod*

Honestly, Whats the appeal in smoking? Are yellow teeth, bad breath, and lung cancer that great? And I think that people who smoke are selfish jerks. I hate seeing people flick cigerettes out the window, or butts lying on the ground right next to a trash can. And for god's sake, it's awful to be next to someone who is smoking. :mp5: And believe me, I TRIED to get away. Thanks for second-hand smoke "cool people". :headbang:

Honestly, Whats the appeal in smoking? Are yellow teeth, bad breath, and lung cancer that great? And I think that people who smoke are selfish jerks. I hate seeing people flick cigerettes out the window, or butts lying on the ground right next to a trash can. And for god's sake, it's awful to be next to someone who is smoking. :mp5: And believe me, I TRIED to get away. Thanks for second-hand smoke "cool people". :headbang:

Nerd. :p

I don't think the average smoker thinks that smoking is cool. I think the average smoker doesn't really like smoking, they just do it because they're addicted. (And why did they start? Majority of people start when they're young, or by smoking "socially" aka drunk or stoned.) So basically, only people that don't really know what they're doing smoke, and then once they start they get addicted and then they can't stop. :)

I don’t smoke. I don’t care if you do. I leave the area if it bothers me. Smoke if you want to.

So you just let people push you around? No matter where you are?

I'll let you in on a big secret. Us evil godless baby eating commies leftists hate smoking, because tobacco destroy liberalism. So once we ban tobacco completely we'll be unstoppable. We'll turn all your children gay and make them have abortions!

Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.
Is this sarcasm or sheer stupidity?

Is this sarcasm or sheer stupidity?

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Aye, but we can only hope. Surely one day malice will take over.

funny old commercials for cigarettes? click here. (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/10/what_cigarette_do_you_smoke_doctor.php)

Cigarettes prevent lung cancer.

And in other news, sunlight leads to hypothermia, water dehydrates you, and oxugen is the leading cause of suffocation.

Frankly, cigarette smoke triggers allergies and is generally unpleasant, especially when it's someone else's. I still remember walking through Salt Lake City airport and being flabbergasted by the smoking rooms with no doors - I could smell the smoke just walking by. Considering that I am married to a woman with an allergy to cigarette smoke, let's just say I'm glad I don't have to fly through SLC that often.

Everyone dies. It is the manner of one's death that is important; is it poetic? Is it worthwhile? Is it glorious? Peaceful? Until they can make you live forever I will do as I will with my life.

You shouldn't smoke because it screws up your epigenes and makes your future children suffer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

I go to art school, and the kids here smoke way more than any human being should. They smoke all of the time, during every class break. I swear, before I went here no one has ever asked me for a cigarette or lighter, and now people interrupt me when I'm on the phone to ask if I have a lighter. One random guy on the street who wasn't even a student said he would pay me for cigarettes. I told him I don't have any but I don't think he believed me.

Everyone dies. It is the manner of one's death that is important; is it poetic? Is it worthwhile? Is it glorious? Peaceful? Until they can make you live forever I will do as I will with my life.

And you will be held accountable in this life for your actions towards others. But since all you care about is how you die, I doubt that bothers you.

And you will be held accountable in this life for your actions towards others. But since all you care about is how you die, I doubt that bothers you.

Oh get off your high fucking horse. There are worse things people can do than smoke. Second hand smoke is not even that big of a deal unless you are around it all day. On average being behind a bus or big truck is worse for your lungs than the second hand smoke from a smoker.

Oh get off your high fucking horse. There are worse things people can do than smoke.
Yes. There are. And?
Second hand smoke is not even that big of a deal unless you are around it all day.
That happens to be the reasoning behind the smoking ban in Ireland, and the UK.
On average being behind a bus or big truck is worse for your lungs than the second hand smoke from a smoker.

So?

There are no benefits to smoking whatsoever and a whole bunch of downsides.
Lies, they help you chillax. And if, like me, you choose to be a bit responsible - no smoking in the street, none around people with babies / that are preganant, and ask people if they mind first, then meh to the rest of it.

But yes, they are pretty unhealthy.

Lies, they help you chillax. And if, like me, you choose to be a bit responsible - no smoking in the street, none around people with babies / that are preganant, and ask people if they mind first, then meh to the rest of it.If you have children, even if you stop smoking before you do, your children are more likely to get messed up genes.

Hey wait a second, smoking doesn't help you relax. Nicotine addiction makes you nervous, so you relax when you smoke. Without the addiction you'd be less nervous.

The only benefit of cigarettes is that they help people with add pay attention. But there are better drugs for that.

What should be banned is non-smokers always having tell me how I'll die of lung cancer and how damn healthy they are.

Smoking crack is not only cool, it's glamorous. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=en1i14U-pXY) Same goes for tobacco.

Why do lefties want to legalize pot but ban tobacco?

I'm a lefty who wants pot legalised. However, given that it isn't a reality given the stigma around it, I opt instead to have tobacco made illegal. After all, if we pot smokers can't enjoy our poison of choice, why should others have their poison of choice so readily available. If you outlaw one drug for being dangerous yet allow equally if not more so dangerous drugs to remain legal then there is a problem of double standards.

I'm a lefty who wants pot legalised. However, given that it isn't a reality given the stigma around it, I opt instead to have tobacco made illegal. After all, if we pot smokers can't enjoy our poison of choice, why should others have their poison of choice so readily available. If you outlaw one drug for being dangerous yet allow equally if not more so dangerous drugs to remain legal then there is a problem of double standards.

couldn't you just legalize both pot and cigarettes but not in public spaces (except outside)?

If you have children, even if you stop smoking before you do, your children are more likely to get messed up genes.

Hey wait a second, smoking doesn't help you relax. Nicotine addiction makes you nervous, so you relax when you smoke. Without the addiction you'd be less nervous.
Right, I'm sure you assume I'm on about 20 a day or something. Nah, not the case.

I smoke about 40 a month, about 1 a day when I'm at college, and then 4 or 5 when I'm out at the pub or whatever.

Incidentally, smoking does help you to relax, why not try it and you'll see for yourself!
The only benefit of cigarettes is that they help people with add pay attention. But there are better drugs for that.
It keeps anyone's attention going. Not just people with ADD, you know.

couldn't you just legalize both pot and cigarettes but not in public spaces (except outside)?

Is there room for more in your utopia? :)

I love smoking. This is at once personal preference, and an immature poo-poo to the health-nazis who decry the evils of anything more potent or vibrant than mashed banana; I can think of no occassion when a ciggarette has not made me feel a little better when I am either hungover, or low.

Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

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Marlboro Lights? Ha! Light Cigarettes are for panzies!

Marlboro Reds, Pall Mall reds, and unfiltered cigs are a real man's cigarette!

Unfiltered cigs for the win!

I love smoking. This is at once personal preference, and an immature poo-poo to the health-nazis who decry the evils of anything more potent or vibrant than mashed banana; I can think of no occassion when a ciggarette has not made me feel a little better when I am either hungover, or low.
Also, he's a Marlboro Lights smoker, which shows that he has TASTE AND DECORUM.

Fo' shizzle.

and an immature poo-poo to the health-nazis who decry the evils of anything more potent or vibrant than mashed banana.

I don't think they'll be that upset about it really

Marlboro Lights? Ha! Light Cigarettes are for panzies!

Marlboro Reds, Pall Mall reds, and unfiltered cigs are a real man's cigarette!

Unfiltered cigs for the win!
I like Marlboro Reds, but they make your clothes smell of smoke, hence why I prefer Lights.

Is there room for more in your utopia? :)
It's called Holland, and there isn't, no, plus it's all going to flood in about 30 or 40 years, killing just about everyone.

I like Marlboro Reds, but they make your clothes smell of smoke, hence why I prefer Lights.
I have been told, with some authority, that all cigarettes make your clothes smell of smoke ;)

I smoke. I shouldn't. Smoking-related (or at the very least smoking-exacerbated) diseases and conditions killed my Dad (17 years after he gave up), his 2 brothers, both my Grandfathers, and one of my cousins. Twenty-two years into the habit it has left me quite hideously unfit, and yet I persist.

It's also very, very expensive to be a smoker where I live... I spend around £70 a week on cigarettes, which adds up pretty fast. Now, I'm not struggling financially, but sometimes I ponder what I could be doing with that 3-4 grand a year if I gave up.

It's furiously addictive. When I wake up of a morning my chest feels so constricted that I cannot draw a comfortable breath until I have had 2 or 3 cigarettes and a pint of coffee. The sick thing is, I then wander off for a shower and realise that now I can't draw a comfortable breath because I've just had 2 or 3 cigs. I seem to smoke pretty much constantly whenever I am awake and in a place that doesn't preclude smoking- Hell, I'm on my second cigarette since I started typing this.

Other than the transient drop in the craving for a cigarette that comes from smoking one, I cannot think of one single thing to recommend it.

Did I mention that it's furiously addictive?

I know I should give it up, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Perhaps I am simply too weak willed.

health-nazis who decry the evils of anything more potent or vibrant than mashed banana
Nah, we're on to that too, along with drinking chocolate milkshakes after 3pm.

Pink healthy lung lobes are totally boring. It's the cool diseased black spotted one that you'll remember and make internet posts about.
Any wimp can quit smoking, but it takes a real man to face cancer.

It's called Holland, and there isn't, no, plus it's all going to flood in about 30 or 40 years, killing just about everyone.

cannabis isn't legal in the Netherlands, the use (at home or coffee shops) and selling (in coffee shops) is tolerated. But it's illegal to grow it in large quantities which brings the problem that coffee shops must buy illegally grown cannabis. Or at least that's how I understand it.

Any wimp can quit smoking, but it takes a real man to face cancer.

Chuck Norris smoked a thousand cigarettes a day for 5 years, just so he could beat cancer.

It's called Holland, and there isn't, no, plus it's all going to flood in about 30 or 40 years, killing just about everyone.

It's only technically legal. A person can legally carry up to 5 grams and smoking the drug is not a problem. The legal web comes in the selling and growing. So, Netherlands may be the closest thing there is at this time but they still have legal issues around cannabis.

Why do lefties want to legalize pot but ban tobacco?

At worst, long term exposure to THC might cause memory loss, decreased motored skills, but those facts aren't even agreed on entirely. Tobacco, on the other hand, has a good chance of causing any number of lung diseases.

Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

you're a noob, if u smoke, i can :mp5: u, its over more quick you :upyours:

I have been told, with some authority, that all cigarettes make your clothes smell of smoke ;)
Nah. Most cigarettes do, but I tried quite a few before I settled on Marlboro Lights, mainly because for the time I was smoking quite a lot, I could get away without smelling too badly at all of smoke, unlike my previous attempts, especially when I was rolling with Golden Virginia.
I smoke. I shouldn't. Smoking-related (or at the very least smoking-exacerbated) diseases and conditions killed my Dad (17 years after he gave up), his 2 brothers, both my Grandfathers, and one of my cousins. Twenty-two years into the habit it has left me quite hideously unfit, and yet I persist.

It's also very, very expensive to be a smoker where I live... I spend around £70 a week on cigarettes, which adds up pretty fast. Now, I'm not struggling financially, but sometimes I ponder what I could be doing with that 3-4 grand a year if I gave up.

It's furiously addictive. When I wake up of a morning my chest feels so constricted that I cannot draw a comfortable breath until I have had 2 or 3 cigarettes and a pint of coffee. The sick thing is, I then wander off for a shower and realise that now I can't draw a comfortable breath because I've just had 2 or 3 cigs. I seem to smoke pretty much constantly whenever I am awake and in a place that doesn't preclude smoking- Hell, I'm on my second cigarette since I started typing this.

Other than the transient drop in the craving for a cigarette that comes from smoking one, I cannot think of one single thing to recommend it.

Did I mention that it's furiously addictive?

I know I should give it up, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Perhaps I am simply too weak willed.
22 years in?

Might make it much, much harder to give up, and Scotland being how it is, with everyone having their own vice or two, I don't think you should worry overmuch.

I don't really smoke all that much, so I still get a bit of a rush from it, plus it helps me to concentrate whenever I'm working for college or whatever, which is a Good Thing.

Still, if you ever do try to give up - best of luck with that.

I tried for a while before I realised that I was giving up because I felt that I should instead of because I actually wanted to. Wouldn't recommend it.

At worst, long term exposure to THC might cause memory loss, decreased motored skills, but those facts aren't even agreed on entirely. Tobacco, on the other hand, has a good chance of causing any number of lung diseases.

I've heard that long term use of cannabis has been linked to schizophrenia. I have no idea how true it actually is.

I've heard that long term use of cannabis has been linked to schizophrenia. I have no idea how true it actually is.

The link only exists if the person in question is re-disposition to be exposed to different forms of psychosis. The causation of mental psychosis from cannabis is the same as being left-handed. Being left-handed has been attributed to psychosis.

The link only exists if the person in question is re-disposition to be exposed to different forms of psychosis. The causation of mental psychosis from cannabis is the same as being left-handed. Being left-handed has been attributed to psychosis.

I knew those damned lefties were up to no good.

I knew those damned lefties were up to no good.

That makes two of us.

What about those ambidextrous bastards? Sly folk the are...

I helped several of my friends quit smoking. Whenever I see them smoke, I assume they are on fire and beat them out with a rug. :)

No one will smoke in 20 years anyways. Watch.

you're a noob, if u smoke, i can :mp5: u, its over more quick you :upyours:
Thank you for helping me to dismiss anti-smoking types.

Also, he's a Marlboro Lights smoker, which shows that he has TASTE AND DECORUM.

Fo' shizzle.

Damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm currently in a major student cash flow problem, and am living off a roll-up a day!!!! Why did you mention the Marlboro Lites? Why oh why!?!:p

Damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm currently in a major student cash flow problem, and am living off a roll-up a day!!!! Why did you mention the Marlboro Lites? Why oh why!?!:p
VERY NEARLY the new month in terms of pay :p

I haven't had a cigarette owned by myself for about a week now - scrounging skillz ahoy!

Damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm currently in a major student cash flow problem, and am living off a roll-up a day!!!! Why did you mention the Marlboro Lites? Why oh why!?!:p

Hehe, I'm a student, and I just bought a carton of Marlboro Reds. :D

Thanks for helping my Altria stock, guys! Now it's time to invest in biotech companies to make money at both ends of the process. Get 'em hooked, get 'em sick, and then cure 'em. Cash at every step in the process.

Muahahaha! Thank you for smoking.

ooohhh it sounds like an evil Republican plan! ;)

Hehe, I'm a student, and I just bought a carton of Marboro Reds. :D

Lies! If you were a true cool smoker you would know that it is Marlboro not Marboro! :p

Lies! If you were a true cool smoker you would know that it is Marlboro not Marboro! :p

AHH! stupid fingers! Why did they fail me?!

Its fixed now, no worries!

Why do lefties want to legalize pot but ban tobacco?

I didn't realize there was a movement to ban tobacco. I do realize, however, that there is a movement to ban smoking cigarettes in public facilities (which I fully support). I also realize that there is a major difference between "banning tobacco" and "banning smoking in public facilities," which you clearly do not, as you're just looking for another excuse to unnecessarily bring partisanship into a debate.

If the facts about cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana were laid out on the table in an unbiased, scientific fashion, I fully believe that only morally misguided or completely oblivious sheep would continue the current marijuana laws.

Right, I'm sure you assume I'm on about 20 a day or something. Nah, not the case.

I smoke about 40 a month, about 1 a day when I'm at college, and then 4 or 5 when I'm out at the pub or whatever.That seems pretty healthy, that's not the image I get when I think smoker though. Most people don't have so much self control.

I didn't realize there was a movement to ban tobacco. I do realize, however, that there is a movement to ban smoking cigarettes in public facilities (which I fully support). I also realize that there is a major difference between "banning tobacco" and "banning smoking in public facilities," which you clearly do not, as you're just looking for another excuse to unnecessarily bring partisanship into a debate.

If the facts about cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana were laid out on the table in an unbiased, scientific fashion, I fully believe that only morally misguided or completely oblivious sheep would continue the current marijuana laws.Or, maybe they would ban all 3 of them, and maybe caffeine as well.

Or, maybe they would ban all 3 of them, and maybe caffeine as well.

And then fast food, and weight loss supplements, etc. etc. They won't be able to get away with banning alcohol again (see also: prohibition). I'm not asking for a ban on smoking, I'm asking for a ban on smoking in restaurants/bars occupied by both smokers and non-smokers alike.

And then fast food, and weight loss supplements, etc. etc. They won't be able to get away with banning alcohol again (see also: prohibition). I'm not asking for a ban on smoking, I'm asking for a ban on smoking in restaurants/bars occupied by both smokers and non-smokers alike.That's looking at it from a political point of view though. I'm not saying alcohol should be banned, but if the issue was looked at from a purely scientific point of view and not a social one, they might conclude that alcohol is too dangerous.

That's looking at it from a political point of view though. I'm not saying alcohol should be banned, but if the issue was looked at from a purely scientific point of view and not a social one, they might conclude that alcohol is too dangerous.

I am basing my argument on the assumption that you believe they'd ban all three due to the potential health risks. However, this can be said about any number of things that we are exposed to on a daily basis, either voluntarily or involuntarily. All three of the above are voluntary, although smoking comes with a caveat. With smoking, you are exposing those around you to potentially harmful chemicals. That is what I have a problem with. Smoke in your car, smoke at home, even smoke in wide open spaces. But don't expose others to that.

I support personal responsibility. If smokers would be conscious of their effect on others around them in closed spaces and obligated themselves to smoking outside, then there would not be a need to ban smoking in public places. Same goes for drunk driving. The potential "splash damage," if you will, of alcohol is just that. Again, personal responsibility comes into play. Until the day all cars require a breath test before starting up, we must realize that we share the roads with others, and resolve ourselves to keeping them as safe as possible.

Thank you, we've known that for a long time.

I am basing my argument on the assumption that you believe they'd ban all three due to the potential health risks. However, this can be said about any number of things that we are exposed to on a daily basis, either voluntarily or involuntarily. All three of the above are voluntary, although smoking comes with a caveat. With smoking, you are exposing those around you to potentially harmful chemicals. That is what I have a problem with. Smoke in your car, smoke at home, even smoke in wide open spaces. But don't expose others to that.

I support personal responsibility. If smokers would be conscious of their effect on others around them in closed spaces and obligated themselves to smoking outside, then there would not be a need to ban smoking in public places. Same goes for drunk driving. The potential "splash damage," if you will, of alcohol is just that. Again, personal responsibility comes into play. Until the day all cars require a breath test before starting up, we must realize that we share the roads with others, and resolve ourselves to keeping them as safe as possible.When people are me are smoking pot, I also get high. That's not exactly dangerous, but it's something.

The whole point of alcohol is that it makes you irresponsible. The reason prohibition was started is husbands would get drunk and beat up their family, but back then you couldn't get divorced.

But again, this is a moral issue. You're arguing that the government should give people some freedom to do dangerous things, because it's the right thing to do. From an objective non moralizing standpoint, people are not responsible, and the world would be a healthier place if alcohol was banned, or if people where somehow only allowed to have about 2 drinks per day. (And not get drunk.)

And from a scientific standpoint, maybe most video games would be banned, most candy would be banned, tanning would be banned, and motorcycles. So, it's probably good that things aren't seen as a pure health issue.

My view on smoking: kill yourself for all I care, don't drag me down with you.

At my school, the staff and students smoke everywhere and I have no choice but to walk through it. On my way to school/home, the homeless rapists near where I live smoke all kinds of things and shout lewd things at me--but this is the only way I can take to get home, as there is no one to drive me or walk with me, so I have to walk by them (the only reason I haven't been attacked is because I have made it very obvious that I am aware of them and am also armed).

I have serious health problems. Among them; breathing problems, and they were caused by second-hand smoke, because more than 50% of American smoke, last I checked, and everyone in both sides of my family smoke as well as smokers at places I have to go.

So, yeah, I don't want to hear any enthusiastic idiots saying "it's your problem, not mine!" because the reality of it is, I don't care if you kill yourself, but smoking affects people around you. So no, I don't care about your health. If you want to hurt yourself, go right ahead. But don't think you can fool me with "no, it's cool and it's good for you!" That is one of the dumbest things any smoker could say. If you smoke, I can't tell you not to, and no one else can. You are free to do it.

My point is that you are punishing innocent people by smoking around them.

Yes, there are worse things that you can do to your body/that you involuntarily are exposed to (pollution, car fumes, etc.). But that doesn't mean anything. That doesn't excuse the fact that smoking in any public place, or a place where there is someone around who isn't a smoker, is perfectly all right, because it isn't. Honestly, I would love to kill the selfish jacka--er, rabbits--who smoke around me, because my health is bad enough as it is without them adding to it. ALL of my breathing problems were caused by smokers, especially my mother and father. I don't mean I literally want to kill my parents, or literally want to kill smokers, but I do want them to pull their heads out of their a**es and think about the people they are harming.

And I know that I am going to be attacked for my statements, because I've seen the way how everyone treats each other on this game, especially this particular topic. And have to say, I'm pretty disgusted by the people who are attacking each other on here, because it really shows a lack of maturity. So, all I have to say is, if you're planning to quote me and attack me and shove your opinion down my throat; get a life. Better yet, a brain.

However, if you are going to be mature in your response and show that you actually have a brain in your head, good for you.

sup homies i ben meanin 2 repyl 4 a wile pero sum1 went and shit in mah keybodr n dats not coo negir i had 2 go spen mah mj $$ on some mofuckin keybord klaener
nyway i do mj cuz it makez me wizer
peace nigs

sup homies i ben meanin 2 repyl 4 a wile pero sum1 went and shit in mah keybodr n dats not coo negir i had 2 go spen mah mj $$ on some mofuckin keybord klaener
nyway i do mj cuz it makez me wizer
peace nigs

the hell?

My view on smoking: kill yourself for all I care, don't drag me down with you.

At my school, the staff and students smoke everywhere and I have no choice but to walk through it. On my way to school/home, the homeless rapists near where I live smoke all kinds of things and shout lewd things at me--but this is the only way I can take to get home, as there is no one to drive me or walk with me, so I have to walk by them (the only reason I haven't been attacked is because I have made it very obvious that I am aware of them and am also armed).

I have serious health problems. Among them; breathing problems, and they were caused by second-hand smoke, because more than 50% of American smoke, last I checked, and everyone in both sides of my family smoke as well as smokers at places I have to go.

So, yeah, I don't want to hear any enthusiastic idiots saying "it's your problem, not mine!" because the reality of it is, I don't care if you kill yourself, but smoking affects people around you. So no, I don't care about your health. If you want to hurt yourself, go right ahead. But don't think you can fool me with "no, it's cool and it's good for you!" That is one of the dumbest things any smoker could say. If you smoke, I can't tell you not to, and no one else can. You are free to do it.

My point is that you are punishing innocent people by smoking around them.

Yes, there are worse things that you can do to your body/that you involuntarily are exposed to (pollution, car fumes, etc.). But that doesn't mean anything. That doesn't excuse the fact that smoking in any public place, or a place where there is someone around who isn't a smoker, is perfectly all right, because it isn't. Honestly, I would love to kill the selfish jacka--er, rabbits--who smoke around me, because my health is bad enough as it is without them adding to it. ALL of my breathing problems were caused by smokers, especially my mother and father. I don't mean I literally want to kill my parents, or literally want to kill smokers, but I do want them to pull their heads out of their a**es and think about the people they are harming.

And I know that I am going to be attacked for my statements, because I've seen the way how everyone treats each other on this game, especially this particular topic. And have to say, I'm pretty disgusted by the people who are attacking each other on here, because it really shows a lack of maturity. So, all I have to say is, if you're planning to quote me and attack me and shove your opinion down my throat; get a life. Better yet, a brain.

However, if you are going to be mature in your response and show that you actually have a brain in your head, good for you.I agree with you, and I'm sorry that you live in that place. However, most places aren't like that, and most smokers try to avoid exposing children and strangers to smoke.

the hell?He's right, weed makes you smarter and better than everyone.

sup homies i ben meanin 2 repyl 4 a wile pero sum1 went and shit in mah keybodr n dats not coo negir i had 2 go spen mah mj $$ on some mofuckin keybord klaener
nyway i do mj cuz it makez me wizer
peace nigs

Me no speako bongo bongo.

Why is it so difficult to write a reply in coherent English?

Reasons why you should lay off my fags,

-Smoking is cool and makes those who choose to smoke cool.

-You must choose to smoke, no one has ever had a gun held to their head until they become addicted to tobacco.

-Because the poor and racial minorities smoke the most bans on smoking, and in fact all taxes on smoking, are a form of racial and class warfare instituted by rich white Jetta-driving liberals.

-Secondhand smoke is only a problem for those that freely choose to remain in the vicinity of it. Restaraunts, airplanes, bars, and other establishments should be free to dictate the rules patrons must follow. If you don't like a smokey bar there is nothing stopping you from setting up a smoke-free variant nearby.

-Contrary to popular belief, cigarette smoking does not harm your lungs, mouth or discolor your teeth. As a matter of fact, smoking is one of the most popular forms of cancer treatment, and can be used as a sleep aid.

*Confused*

VERY NEARLY the new month in terms of pay :p

I haven't had a cigarette owned by myself for about a week now - scrounging skillz ahoy!

I had to buy some today. Quite what inspired me to go to Fibbers last night, get back at 3 and go to the market for 10 (other than the obvious; that I'm a romantic sap...) is beyond me, so I had to cheer myself up with some Marlboro.:p

I had to buy some today. Quite what inspired me to go to Fibbers last night, get back at 3 and go to the market for 10 (other than the obvious; that I'm a romantic sap...) is beyond me, so I had to cheer myself up with some Marlboro.:p
Ahh, Fibbers. Bloody awful without cigarette smoke, was easily the best night out in York before for listening to music.

Now probably The Basement is a bit better, although the roof is exceptionally low. Plus it's just downstairs from the City Screen's bar, which has cheap but excellent coffee, and cheap drinks for when they feel like serving me, PLUS a decent balcony to look on the river and have a smoke on (after 9.30pm :()

Ahh, Fibbers. Bloody awful without cigarette smoke, was easily the best night out in York before for listening to music.

Now probably the Basement is a bit better, although the roof is exceptionally low.

Basement? Haven't found that yet, although I still thought Fibbers was good fun last night. Unlike Ziggy's and Toffs, both of which are redefining naff in new and interesting ways every week...:p

Basement? Haven't found that yet, although I still thought Fibbers was good fun last night. Unlike Ziggy's and Toffs, both of which are redefining naff in new and interesting ways every week...:p
Ziggy's and Toff's?

AWFUL clubs :p

The Gallery's quite good, and Nexus is a laugh.

I suppose that Fibbers is still pretty alright, and you get some decent, if slightly B-rate bands playing there, it's just that it replaced the awesome smoky club atmosphere with a "sweaty teenagers moshing" atmosphere. Blech.

Oh and as to the Basement - it's downstairs at the City Screen, which is a damned fine cinema, and they're always got something interesting on, unlike Vue, which is a) unpronouncable and b) overpriced and shows shitty Yank films

Ziggy's and Toff's?

AWFUL clubs :p

The Gallery's quite good, and Nexus is a laugh.

I suppose that Fibbers is still pretty alright, and you get some decent, if slightly B-rate bands playing there, it's just that it replaced the awesome smoky club atmosphere with a "sweaty teenagers moshing" atmosphere. Blech.

Oh and as to the Basement - it's downstairs at the City Screen, which is a damned fine cinema, and they're always got something interesting on, unlike Vue, which is a) unpronouncable and b) overpriced and shows shitty Yank films

It was an indy club last night, so Fibbers was 18+. Much better:p

I'm not a huge Gallery fan either, although the Indy Soc social on wednesday might change that. Reflex is quality as well, although there's an embaressing video of my drunken self falling of the revolving dance floor there that's stopped me going back for the week or so...

...although there’s an embaressing video of my drunken self falling of the revolving dance floor there that’s stopped me going back for the week or so...
Revolving dance floor?

There’s am accident waiting to happen. :p

Revolving dance floor?

There’s am accident waiting to happen. :p

Believe it. However cool I looked dancing to "This charming man", the effect was somewhat spoiled by my falling over, spilling a Jaegermeister and red bull down myself, and generally looking a nob on the floor giggling to myself.;)

*Mocks thread*

*Enjoys smoke-free environments like the bar, home and the work place*

:D

Smoking kicks ass!

What the frick is wrong with you people!?!?! You want to die a premature death? Actually, go right ahead. Society will be better off without fricken' dumb @$$e$ like you around. :upyours:

sup homies i ben meanin 2 repyl 4 a wile pero sum1 went and shit in mah keybodr n dats not coo negir i had 2 go spen mah mj $$ on some mofuckin keybord klaener
nyway i do mj cuz it makez me wizer
peace nigs

Seriously, what the fuck is this nonsense?

What the frick is wrong with you people!?!?! You want to die a premature death? Actually, go right ahead. Society will be better off without fricken' dumb @$$e$ like you around. :upyours:

Or without people like you.

Yo niggers.

I thought smoking was bad for you. If its not, then I might start.

Yo niggers.

I thought smoking was bad for you. If its not, then I might start.
Yo, fo' shizz, it kind of is, on the other hand, it's quite fun and relaxing, so go for it.
It was an indy club last night, so Fibbers was 18+. Much better:p

I'm not a huge Gallery fan either, although the Indy Soc social on wednesday might change that. Reflex is quality as well, although there's an embaressing video of my drunken self falling of the revolving dance floor there that's stopped me going back for the week or so...
Gallery = sticky carpet hell, but a good night out :p

Oh, as to Reflex - SMOOOOOOOOOTH :p
What the frick is wrong with you people!?!?! You want to die a premature death? Actually, go right ahead. Society will be better off without fricken' dumb @$$e$ like you around. :upyours:
Aye, next time you cross the road, make sure not to look, squire ;)

Seriously, what the fuck is this nonsense?
Yo, ma nigga, translation ahoy, fo' rizzle :

"Hello, good sirs, I've been meaning to post for a while, but some rapscallion defecated on my keyboard, which I find deplorable conduct myself. Because of this disgraceful act, I had to spend money otherwise put towards smoking cannabis on keyboard cleaner - this is a shame, because I smoke it as it opens my mind.

Fare thee well."

Yo, fo' shizz, it kind of is, on the other hand, it's quite fun and relaxing, so go for it.



Does smoking affect you ability to run long distance or hike mountains? I would think that it does but my grandfather has been smoking for about 50 years and he can hold his breath underwater longer than I can.

Seriously, what the fuck is this nonsense?
Opie's on NS!

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