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What has this "uniter" done to actually meet those ends? The only thing he's good at is vilifying those who disagree with him and having the faithful 32 follow his bullshit. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;_ylt=AiKuuuu1u2_i5vU6srdUOyWs0NUE) Fear and smear needs to be undone but it's the MO of this administration. Yes, others have employed it but never to this level. This guy creates more strawman arguments then sycophants on NSG that parrot his words. "The (evil) New York Times Editorial Page." Or the "(evil) Movon.org or codepink." Even I think those organizations are idiotic, but not worthy of mention in a speech where you're supposed to be convincing people of your plans. Slash and burn will bring down the Republican "house" if they do not distance themselves from his poor policies. If they keep in step they deserve to lose ground in 2008.

While slash and burn may be an effective and productive action, I am highly against such actions. Save the rain forest!

Rise of Lenin? What the hell did he ever do to threaten the world?

Rise of Lenin? What the hell did he ever do to threaten the world?

I assume Bush meant Stalin, not Lenin. But who knows? That asshat doesn't know much about anything. He might have been referring to John Lennon.

In 20 years, when you're all heeding the call of the muezzin at 6am, there'll be a wailing and gnashing of teeth that we all didn't listen to Bush, who fought against our apathy to save us from the sight of minarets being hoisted onto the White House.

You'll all be sorry then.

In 20 years, when you're all heeding the call of the muezzin at 6am, there'll be a wailing and gnashing of teeth that we all didn't listen to Bush, who fought against our apathy to save us from the sight of minarets being hoisted onto the White House.

You'll all be sorry then.

Allah, himself, couldn't get me to heed anything at 6AM. I'll go to the Mosque if I have to.... but around noonish and only if they have free coffee and cinnamon rolls.

In 20 years, when you're all heeding the call of the muezzin at 6am, there'll be a wailing and gnashing of teeth that we all didn't listen to Bush, who fought against our apathy to save us from the sight of minarets being hoisted onto the White House.

You'll all be sorry then.

I don't know if I respond to this post with mirth at the jester, with annoyance at the troll or with pity at the fool.

I don't know if I respond to this post with mirth at the jester, with annoyance at the troll or with pity at the fool.

They say DEATH comes in threes.

This just makes it harder for other Republicans to be taken seriously. Being a native New Yorker living in the suburbs now I still love Rudy. However, I believe the only thing that makes me feel good for Rudy is that people hate Hillary. It's just sad that the idea is you'll vote for who you hate less. This type of rhetoric helps no one.

This just makes it harder for other Republicans to be taken seriously. Being a native New Yorker living in the suburbs now I still love Rudy. However, I believe the only thing that makes me feel good for Rudy is that people hate Hillary. It's just sad that the idea is you'll vote for who you hate less. This type of rhetoric helps no one.

The problem with history is that it's always best looked through hindsight, and even then it's decidedly murky.

I suspect Bush will make more statements like these in order to make people think about whether voting Democrat is the best way forward, the same tactics used in 2004. I think the question the Republicans want people to be asking is: Regardless of our feelings on Iraq, does the threat of terrorism remain real and, if so, do we want the Democrats in charge of that?

If they've decided that Hillary is the front-runner, this becomes even more effective since, and sad to say that this will affect things, she's a woman to boot. If the Republicans can shift the debate back to terrorism as the emotional issue, they have a chance.

That asshat doesn't know much about anything. He might have been referring to John Lennon.

http://www.john-lennon.com/theassassinationofjl.htm

And he's not an asshat, he's an asscummerbund.

However, I believe the only thing that makes me feel good for Rudy is that people hate Hillary.

Eh, fuck him and his anti-weasel stance.

I assume Bush meant Stalin, not Lenin. But who knows? That asshat doesn't know much about anything. He might have been referring to John Lennon.

You mean that communist from the Beetles? Yeah, that one. :p

I wish he'd said what "the world" should have done about Lenin's rise to power. Imagine how a GWB plan to forestall future dictatorships would have played out during WWI...

"Hey you guys, we have to invade Russia because they're going to be a problem! Don't say I didn't warn you!"

Or perhaps he prefers assassination of expatriate intellectuals with no real power. If they use four syllable words, they're a threat and should just disappear one night ...

Or perhaps he prefers assassination of expatriate intellectuals with no real power. If they use four syllable words, they're a threat and should just disappear one night ...

Just like the Man of Steel over in the Kremlin. That would be terrifying.

Rise of Lenin? What the hell did he ever do to threaten the world?

Lenin's activities ultimately resulted in Stalin's rise to power. Without Lenin Stalin would never have been in control of the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately, because the Soviet Union helped shaped the world as it is today--which is pretty damned good all things considered--it was ultimately a good thing that that happened, and as a result Bush once again shows an inability to think things through.

Lenin's activities ultimately resulted in Stalin's rise to power. Without Lenin Stalin would never have been in control of the Soviet Union.

Yes, and it's significant that GWB (or more likely, his favourite speechwriter, whoever that is now) didn't choose the more emotive example of Stalin.

Preventing Stalin's rule would have been pretty damn difficult for anyone outside the USSR. The example of Lenin fits with Hitler in that they both rose to power from obscurity, and there were stages in their careers (Hitler in the twenties, Lenin from the turn of the century to 1917) when they could have been quite easily assassinated.

The real fault in this reasoning is that it relies on hindsight. Is Hitler ... wups, sorry, GWB ... planning to assassinate anyone who might be a future Hitler or Lenin? How about Arafat? Or Chavez? Without the benefit of hindsight, the only reliable way to tell who has what it takes and might rise to power, and then prevent that, is to kill all the talent. In every significant country of the world.

OK, there might be one or two obvious examples, people with "terrorist" stamped on their forehead who he could be pretty sure will be trouble if they ever get control of a powerful country. But that's another problem: knocking off guerrilla leaders in south america is one thing, but surely the real Hitler-like threat of a challenge to the world order would arise in more powerful countries, like Russia ... or the EU ... or China ... or Japan. Their response to an attempted coup by the US could probably be summed up as "going ape." Even a single assassination would need a lot of plausible deniability.

Oh, the man's a fucking idiot. Let's just hope he doesn't mean what he seems to be saying. More likely he's just crying and beating his heels on the floor because the Senate doesn't like him or his war.

Let's hope, my noble homeless friend. Let's hope. Hope's all we've got now.

Rise of Lenin? What the hell did he ever do to threaten the world?

Nothing directly. And in fact, the West did try pretty hard to stop strangle the Russian Revolution at birth. It didn't work out.

Rise of Lenin? What the hell did he ever do to threaten the world?

Ever heard of the Third International? Or the Bolshevik conquest of Eastern Europe and Central Asia?

Nothing directly. And in fact, the West did try pretty hard to stop strangle the Russian Revolution at birth. It didn't work out.

More like a half-hearted effort.