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If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?
If you understand that they're ideas are wrong and are products of a reactionary material construct.... Yes.

Uh, no.

Dumb question.

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

Never. Doesn't matter who they are or what they believe. Instead, I would explain my views to them and encourage said person to adopt the views.

I can't think of a situation where it would be acceptable.

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?
That's the nature of psychology, isn't it?

If it allows me to conquer the world and/or keep it under my tyrannic rule for the rest of my life I'd certainly consider it..

"So you're oppose to my plans? No chance you'll change your mind?"
"No"
"Well, good thing I have people to change your mind for me, then. MUAHAHAAAA"

That's the nature of psychology, isn't it?

No, it's the nature of politics.

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

We're all brainwashed to some extent. Reward and punishment for behaviour is a staple diet of upbringing from childhood through school.

Forced?

Sometimes.

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

It's difficult to avoid. We're all controlled to one extent or another. In fact, it would be difficult to function without a certain amount of conformity. But I think a minimalist approach is best. You really get a feel for whose minds are up to snuff when you see them trying to work in freeform. :)

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

No. My opinions don't need that sort of tactics. :p

We're all brainwashed to some extent. Reward and punishment for behaviour is a staple diet of upbringing from childhood through school.

Forced?

Sometimes.

A lovely bit of Larkin there.

And to the OP: no, it isn't. However, some 'indoctrination' may be inevitable when raising children, partly as they will accept most of what parents say without thinking about the effects.

i pretty much believe its not right for me to force my views on anyone, and that i have no right for my beliefs to usurp anbody else's. this is why i didn't pursue politics.

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

..or invasion

I'm working on it already.

I can't think of a situation where it would be acceptable.

What if someone is an atheist/ultrareligious-racist-jew-hating-nazi-holocaust-denier?

Would the society have the right to apply pressure - like limit free speech - to correct the thoughtcrime?

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?
I suppose if I really tried I could think of a situation in which that would be "right" for me to do. But in general, why would I want or need to do so?

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?That group of idiots at your school is up to that again~?

I suppose if I really tried I could think of a situation in which that would be "right" for me to do. But in general, why would I want or need to do so?

The only thing that comes to mind is some manner of hostage situation. Convince they guy with the gun that he's wrong and you're right and he might just let you go, if you go about it the right way.


Or he'll just get pissed off and kill you.

I suppose if I really tried I could think of a situation in which that would be "right" for me to do. But in general, why would I want or need to do so?

On some of the more direct posts you write, I can almost envision your hand reaching out of the screen and throttling the poster, then casually flicking their limp, lifeless body aside before moving on to the next person with the temerity to not fully contemplate the fact that they do not subscribe to the Bottle World View.

*moves away from screen*

No. I would not.

On some of the more direct posts you write, I can almost envision your hand reaching out of the screen and throttling the poster, then casually flicking their limp, lifeless body aside before moving on to the next person with the temerity to not fully contemplate the fact that they do not subscribe to the Bottle World View.

*moves away from screen*

That won't help. You'll have to sleep eventually, and then she'll kill you in your dreams.

The only thing that comes to mind is some manner of hostage situation. Convince they guy with the gun that he's wrong and you're right and he might just let you go, if you go about it the right way.


Or he'll just get pissed off and kill you.
Yeah, like I said, I know there are probably some very specific situations that would be exceptions to my general rule. I'd be prepared to kill in self-defense, so obviously I'd also be prepared to use coercion or force to 'convert' somebody in self-defense.

On some of the more direct posts you write, I can almost envision your hand reaching out of the screen and throttling the poster, then casually flicking their limp, lifeless body aside before moving on to the next person with the temerity to not fully contemplate the fact that they do not subscribe to the Bottle World View.

*moves away from screen*
That's completely ridiculous. I'd never throttle somebody with my bare hands. Not when I can simply use the power of the Dark Side to crush their windpipe.

That's completely ridiculous. I'd never throttle somebody with my bare hands. Not when I can simply use the power of the Dark Side to crush their windpipe.

Which proves that Darth Vader was not a goofball. I'd give Force Wedgies. :)

No. Way. In. Hell. Forcing my beliefs on others is something I ABSOLUTELY refuse to do. Use logic and reason to convince them that my beliefs are right, go ahead. But I would never use force.

Yes, it is perfectly fine for me to start a cult and manipulate people and what they believe. I even got a helpful video on starting one, you can watch it here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E).

If would be right for you to force your views on someone? preferably by using culty/brainwashy tactics?

Hmheh. No; no, no, no. Hm. No. No. No. No. Hem. No.

Well, of course it's all right to force your views on others. Dissentors are weak minds that need disciplining.

(Psst. Mr Illithid. Was that what you wanted me to say?)

Well, forcing your views upon somebody is called coercion, which is not justifiable under any ethical belief system I know of. There are also dishonest portrayals of facts that are not acceptable. I saw a good example yesterday regarding Ron Paul. On Youtube they had footage of the outside of the Republican debate where there were many Ron Paul supporters avidly showing support, with a few Romney supporters among them. But the associated press coverage portrayed the event as having a large Romney turnout with few Paul supporters, completely misleading with the facts.

But advertising in general is pretty brainwashing. I don't think there is anything wrong with portraying things in a one-sided way as long as all the facts are presented for people to judge for themselves. This is commonly seen in news articles where both sides of a story are presented, where the tone of the article suggests one side of an issue is supported but the facts can point either way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you can blare support for one side in an issue all you want as long as you are not lying in some form.

The last time you asked the answer was no. This time the answer is no. Give it up, no one's going to agree with you.

Hmheh. No; no, no, no. Hm. No. No. No. No. Hem. No.

http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html

It is not. You can try to convince people to accept your views, but in return you must make an attempt to understand theirs. It's wrong to force your beliefs on anybody. Humans should be seen as free-thinking beings, not robots to be programmed.

If everyone had my beliefs the world would be fucked up. so, maybe?

Hell, if you're foolish enough to listen to me and follow my belief patterns, then I haven't had to do much work here, have I?
But I would never impose my beliefs on someone just for the sake of doing so.