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Really...

Last monday, on the italian newspapers.
Volontè (not a relative of the late and lamented actor), MP for the catholic centre-right UDC (Union of Christian Democrats) party, announced that he was going to present to the Houses a proposal of law to institute the crime of "apology of communism", on the lines of the crime of "apology of the fascist regime". "We must ferret out the communists", said Volontè.

Out came the reply of MP of Rotondi, MP and chairman of the catholic centre-right "DC per le Autonomie" (Christian Democracy supporting Local Autonomies) party who said: "There is not just one communism. There are many different communist parties. The italian communist didn't deny us freedom: instead, the communist partisans (in WW2, my note) bought us our freedom with their blood."

My, and it's Berlusconi's allies the both of them... and they repeat all the time "the centre-left can't be trusted to form a stable executive because they all have different ideas..."

What can I say: LOL, bully for "comrade" Rotondi, thank you! Oh, and by the way, there is still a lot of place in Piazzale Loreto for Mr.Volontè... I can see Piazzale Loreto from my office and I can tell you that.

Damn. I thought the Cold War was over...

Wait, it is a crime to show support for the fascist regime in Italy!? Last time I checked there were quite a few people saying nice things about Mussolini and they didn't get arrested... In fact most of them are Berlusconi's allies (*cough* Alleanza Nazionale *cough*).

America did that once. It didn't go so well.

Damn. I thought the Cold War was over...

I think the guy is trying to make a statement about existing laws, rather than actually trying to institute a new law.

No, no it didn't go well at all when America tried to do that. :(

I think the guy is trying to make a statement about existing laws, rather than actually trying to institute a new law.

I dunno, Volonte sounds serious enough.

Don't take America as an example,it'a dictatorship.In Europe we are used to more opinions.This is off course the begining of a fascist regime.You can't forbid someone to express his opinion,even if it's a fascist.I really don't get surprised that a right wing party wants something like that....All right wings are fasists.

Interesting, they're trying to turn Italy into a South American banana republic from the '60s.

I dunno, Volonte sounds serious enough.

I dunno. The fact that he's essentially using the name of the pre-existing legislation makes me wonder what, exactly, he's up to.

Don't take America as an example,it'a dictatorship.In Europe we are used to more opinions.This is off course the begining of a fascist regime.You can't forbid someone to express his opinion,even if it's a fascist.I really don't get surprised that a right wing party wants something like that....All right wings are fasists.

And I can write you off as a quasi-literate, narrow minded ideologue, with a penchant for polemics. Not to mention a possessor of questionable grammar, style and spacing.

And I can write you off as a quasi-literate, narrow minded ideologue, with a penchant for polemics. Not to mention a possessor of questionable grammar, style and spacing.

I am not a native speaker english.I speak a language ten times more complicated than english,so give me a break...What are you,american???:p

Fucking rights,If they weren't the bad communists you would all speak German now...

I am not a native speaker english.I speak a language ten times more complicated than english,so give me a break...

bollocks English language doesn't actually follow any real rules like any other language (imperialism/fucking everything FTW)

I'm guessing Polish?

bollocks English language doesn't actually follow any real rules like any other language (imperialism/fucking everything FTW)

I'm guessing Polish?

Greek

I am not a native speaker english.I speak a language ten times more complicated than english,so give me a break...What are you,american???:p

Fucking rights,If they weren't the bad communists you would all speak German now...

Moechten Sie eine andere Sprache? Deutsch, vielleicht? Ich kann Deutsch, die gefaellt mir sehr viel.

But, seriously, I'd bet better than even money that even your so ueber-complex language puts two spaces after a period. It's not that hard. Especially if your language is ten times more complex than English, you ought to be able to adapt to English fairly easily, then.

Moechten Sie eine andere Sprache? Deutsch, vielleicht? Ich kann Deutsch, die gefaellt mir sehr viel.

But, seriously, I'd bet better than even money that even your so ueber-complex language puts two spaces after a period. It's not that hard. Especially if your language is ten times more complex than English, you ought to be able to adapt to English fairly easily, then.


For God's sake,get a life!If you don't approve my level of English don't speak to me,it' so simple...Oh,an American speaking a foreign language,well,that's what I call rare!

For God's sake,get a life!If you don't approve my level of English don't speak to me,it' so simple...Oh,an American speaking a foreign language,well,that's what I call rare!

That's your defense? Get a life? Lame.

So, what's your super-complex foreign language? One that doesn't use the spacebar?

For God's sake,get a life!If you don't approve my level of English don't speak to me,it' so simple...Oh,an American speaking a foreign language,well,that's what I call rare!

Mon aéroglisseur est plein des anguilles!

Ich sprache ein bisschen Deutsch, aber nicht viel. :(

And I can write you off as a quasi-literate, narrow minded ideologue, with a penchant for polemics. Not to mention a possessor of questionable grammar, style and spacing.

Of course a persons grammar makes his views totally worthless. Especially if he has English as a second or third language. (not saying anything about the person's views)

Ich sprache ein bisschen Deutsch, aber nicht viel. :(

Ich habe Deutsch drei Jahre in die Schule studiert aber ich habe nicht viel gelernt.

Ich habe Frettchen in meinen Hosen. :)

Good for "DC per le Autonomie".

Mon aéroglisseur est plein des anguilles!

...est plein d'anguilles, you mean. ;)

A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.

We must ferret out the communists.

I would agree with this only if they used real ferrets. It would be cute! :)

Don't take America as an example,it'a dictatorship.In Europe we are used to more opinions.This is off course the begining of a fascist regime.You can't forbid someone to express his opinion,even if it's a fascist.I really don't get surprised that a right wing party wants something like that....All right wings are fasists.

No, actually here in Italy it's quite different.

1.The Constitution, in its last dispositions, states that the National Fascist Party (Mussolini's paty) is dissolved, and its reconstitution is forbidden: it is accounted as reconstitution of the NFP if a party calling itself "fascist" or something like that has at least a member who was a former member of the NFP. By the way, the Constitution of the Republic was written by a large entente (called the "arco costituzionale") including communists, socialists, republicans, christian-democrats and liberals (that is, all italian parties in 1946 with the exception of the Pro-monarchy party and the neofascist Movimento Sociale Italiano).
2.Italian law states that "apology of the fascism" is a crime (although a lesser one): this crime applies to those who advocate or defend Mussolini's regime or use the "Roman salute".
3.Some centre-right wingers want to "ferret out the commies". Some other centre-right wingers don't. Also, not all right-wings in Europe are fascist: as example, european radical parties are right-wing libertarians (however, in Italy the Radical Party has sided with the centre-left government, mostly because of laicitè and civil rights issues).

As a side remark, I learn right now that today at Cimitero Maggiore di Musocco in Milan (Milan's Greater Cemetery) some nostalgics are holding a commemoration and a missa in memoria of Mussolini. What the fuck... my comrades have already alerted the police.

2.Italian law states that "apology of the fascism" is a crime (although a lesser one): this crime applies to those who advocate or defend Mussolini's regime or use the "Roman salute".


Incidentally, I was in Rome a few months ago, and one of the first things I saw after leaving the train station was a guy selling souvenirs, including carpets, including several depicting Mussolini as a proud, glorious military leader. I was... well, surprised would be putting it mildly.

Incidentally, I was in Rome a few months ago, and one of the first things I saw after leaving the train station was a guy selling souvenirs, including carpets, including several depicting Mussolini as a proud, glorious military leader. I was... well, surprised would be putting it mildly.

Yes, sadly that law is usually interpreted in the "lighter" way - so depicting a proud Mussolini on wine bottles is ok, but writing an essay or making a speech in defence of Mussolini's laws is (should be) forbidden: however, there are too many Mussolini nostalgics even as italian MPs :mad:

How many Mussolini nostalgics takes to make it TOO many? One.

Very confusing, so what are they actualy proposing? Would that mean treating pro-stalin statements similarly as pro-hitler statements(which is actualy quite logical) or what?

Incidentally, I was in Rome a few months ago, and one of the first things I saw after leaving the train station was a guy selling souvenirs, including carpets, including several depicting Mussolini as a proud, glorious military leader. I was... well, surprised would be putting it mildly.
Perhaps they should sell photos of Italian troops raping Ethiopian women, slaughtering the men, throwing them out of planes at high altitude, or maybe blackshirts hanging children to show a message..... or perhaps Red Cross charity tents being mustard gassed by Italian planes.... Ahhh the good old times...

Olmedreca;13178803']Very confusing, so what are they actualy proposing? Would that mean treating pro-stalin statements similarly as pro-hitler statements(which is actualy quite logical) or what?
QFT! x100

Olmedreca;13178803']Very confusing, so what are they actualy proposing? Would that mean treating pro-stalin statements similarly as pro-hitler statements(which is actualy quite logical) or what?

Nono. They want a law stating that being communist and saying so is a crime. Plain and simple.

Perhaps they should sell photos of Italian troops raping Ethiopian women, slaughtering the men, throwing them out of planes at high altitude, or maybe blackshirts hanging children to show a message..... or perhaps Red Cross charity tents being mustard gassed by Italian planes.... Ahhh the good old times...

My grandfather was an italian soldier during the war in Ethiopia (1936 iirc) and then Jugoslavia and Russia.
The atrocities he saw blackshirts, askari and ustasha commit haunted him for the rest of his life.

I would agree with this only if they used real ferrets. It would be cute! :)

You know, I was going to suggest that until I saw an opportunity to mess with Babelfish. :)