NationStates Jolt Archive


Would you live forever?

Soviestan
29-10-2007, 21:04
I was thinking how I am so happy with how my life is going right now that if I could, I would never die. So if you had the chance would you live forever or do you want to die eventually?
Marrakech II
29-10-2007, 21:07
Yeah if it were possible to keep a human body. I would not want to be robotic in any way or held in a computer.
Lunatic Goofballs
29-10-2007, 21:09
Hmm, I suspect that I would enjoy immortality with the following stipulations:

I will revert to the physical age of 24 and never age again.
I will be invulnerable to harm.
Once every 10,000 years, I am given the option of 'opting out' of life.

If I get all that, we have a deal. If not, we'll have to negotiate further...
Venndee
29-10-2007, 21:10
I cannot ever achieve full Happiness in this material, temporal world. Tempting an offer though it may be, I feel that this life is not my ultimate end.
Khadgar
29-10-2007, 21:14
Yeah if it were possible to keep a human body. I would not want to be robotic in any way or held in a computer.

You'd need new bodies periodically. Humans aren't built to last more than a century or so.
Ermarian
29-10-2007, 21:16
My answer is both yes and no. I feel attracted by the concept of an indefinite lifespan, but I would only want it under the condition that I could choose to stop living eventually. I know that a moment would come when I would so choose - and though it were after many millennia.

Edit: The stipulation about eternal youth also applies. It is no good living a thousand years with back problems and no teeth.
Riopo
29-10-2007, 21:16
Maybe.

Think you could go high on crack whenever you wanted!
Kitab Al-Ibar
29-10-2007, 21:17
Yeah if it were possible to keep a human body. I would not want to be robotic in any way or held in a computer.

Though i would have to add that the body would have to remain in good condition, living forever would get pretty annoying if your body degraded.

Living forever is a tough one, i would say yes to an extent and no to an extent. There are a variety of reasons supporting each choice, but i am way too tired to write them up.

Living forever would take a certain type of person who would be able to see and feel everything good and bad in life and still have the motivation to continue living, despite the fact that they have seen and done everything. You could argue that as time moves on they will have new things to do, but you get the idea. Or of course they could be so apathetic to everything that seeing and feeling everything in life is of no importance and continuing regardless.

Anyway, too tired, so theres my highly simplified view :p
Vetalia
29-10-2007, 21:25
I'd like to have both. Live as long as I want, and if and when I desire to I can die. Neither complete mortality or immortality are desirable from my vantage point; I'd prefer to combine the best of both worlds, so to speak. It would allow me to do what I want while still giving me the chance to die and move on to something else. Preferably an existence as a spirit granting wishes or good fortune to people, but reincarnation is fine too.

Also, a human body's not all that important, IMHO. It would be cool to experience different physical forms as part of said conditional immortality. However, I don't want some kind of I Have No Mouth and Yet I Must Scream kind of existence either...that would suck immensely. However, being a person who enjoys new experiences, death is just one of many to come and I would not want to eliminate it entirely. Getting rid of disease and old age would be nice as well, since both of those really do suck no matter what way you look at them. At least for me, that is...I am still pissed when I think of things I've missed due to illness.

I don't fear death. What I fear is getting ripped off in this life, the next, the one after that, and everything in between.
The Splinter Kingdoms
29-10-2007, 21:33
I voted yes. But I'm sure if my votes count, not all of us are Human after all...
Zilam
29-10-2007, 21:43
I'm already going to live forever anyways ;)
Anti-Social Darwinism
29-10-2007, 21:43
I think living longer, say 200-300 years, would be nice, but forever? No, even though technology changes, people stay the same and that would be, ultimately, boring.
Marrakech II
29-10-2007, 21:46
You'd need new bodies periodically. Humans aren't built to last more than a century or so.

Yeah I realize that. That is why I said "a human" body which meant not mine. I don't know how they would do that unless we fall back on some sci-fi movies where they "grow" full sized humans.
Kiryu-shi
29-10-2007, 21:47
Yes, just to see what happens.
The NCLI Corporation
29-10-2007, 21:50
I'd like to be immortal, but only if the following is possible:

1. When I don't want to live anymore, I die.
2. My body will be 20ish(doesn't apply if I become a robot, then I won't give a damn about how old my body looks.
Vetalia
29-10-2007, 21:50
You'd need new bodies periodically. Humans aren't built to last more than a century or so.

You wouldn't necessarily need new bodies, you'd just need to halt the causes of aging in the existing one. Or replace the parts that fail as they fail, thereby ensuring continuity (which could be a big concern; if I move from body to body, am I the same person?).
Bolol
29-10-2007, 21:52
Hell yeah I'd live forever. I want to see how far humanity will progress. It's doubtful I'd be bored.

I do have some stipulations though.

1. I'd like to age to a certain point, and then stop. Preferable around 30 or so.
2. I don't want my body to become "inert": i.e, hair will keep growing, will lose or gain wieght.
3. I want to be invincible. Seriously, what's the point in being immortal if some dumbass hits you with his car.
3a. However, I do want a "suicide mechanism". Say, far into the future when the sun has collapsed, earth is destroyed and there is no way to travel to other planets effectively (as in, no other way beyond drifting), I'd want a sort of system in place that will cause every cell in my body to undergo apoptosis, therefore killing me. I'd rather that than drift endlessly through space humming to myself.
Markeliopia
29-10-2007, 22:01
I voted yes. But I'm sure if my votes count, not all of us are Human after all...

OMgorsh!
[NS:]Knotthole Glade
29-10-2007, 22:03
I will say yes unconditionally to that offer.
Ruby City
29-10-2007, 22:04
Both no and yes.

No, I don't think extending life indefinitely would add much to the quality of life. It would take a long while to meet everyone and try everything but I don't feel like I have to do that. I've already seen enough to feel that if I die today my life was full, complete and there was no need to add more.

Yes, while I don't feel any need to live forever I don't feel any need to die right now either. I would always have some plans left to complete and friendships to maintain so I'd always extend my life just a little longer if I could until it adds up to quite a while even though I originally didn't plan to or want to live for that long.

Are we talking about eternal youth where you stay young until you sooner or later die in an accident or immortality where you don't risk dieing unless you want to?
Vetalia
29-10-2007, 22:07
Both no and yes.
Are we talking about eternal youth where you stay young until you sooner or later die in an accident or immortality when you don't risk dieing unless you want to?

The second. However, some kind of way to halt the aging process or at least its negative effects is absolutely necessary; otherwise, it would suck on a truly massive scale. I wouldn't necessarily want eternal youth, either. Rather, eternal middle age, perhaps somewhere between 30 and 40 with perfect health would be optimal. That way, I don't have to spend the next 3 million years getting carded all the time.
Wubmuffets
29-10-2007, 22:10
Live forever?

I'm not sure about that, ask me again in 500 years. ;)
Gartref
29-10-2007, 22:21
I plan on living forever. So far so good...
EBGuvegrra
29-10-2007, 22:22
Immortality with irrevocable deterioration would be a no-no. Quasi-immortality (the variety where there is a risk 'death from fatality', but no further ageing) would be interesting.

Maybe I could survive long enough in that circumstance to be able to be the first person to stand on one or other earth-like extra-solar planet... Not necessarily the first to stand on one, but the first to stand on mine, and then have the time to wander its hills and vales and wander the land. There'd have to be something to make it worthwhile.

I imagine there'd probably need some sort of psychological support, as well, to keep (/get) me sane throughout the ages, especially for the required interstellar travel (assuming someone doesn't come up with a matter-beaming capability that lets me bypass all that). There's several options to this, from the selective mind-wipe/defrag process allowing one to not remember/accumulate tedium, to some sort of artificial companion intelligence that can keep me on the straight and narrow, without doing a HAL 9000 on me... ;)
FreedomAndGlory
29-10-2007, 22:23
Of course, but with all the usual caveats.


There's no time for us;
there's no place for us.
What is this thing that builds our dreams, yet slips away from us?

Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
Oh-ooo-oh.
There's no chance for us;
it's all decided for us.
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us.

Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
Ooh.
Who dares to love forever,
oh oo woh, when love must die?

But touch my tears with your lips;
touch my world with your fingertips,
and we can have forever.
And we can love forever.
Forever is our today.

Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today.
Who waits forever anyway?
Howlock
29-10-2007, 22:29
I would have to say that as much as the prospect of death scares me, the prospect of never dying in this world scares me more. I just could not comprehend it. It's too overwhelming. What would one do with all that time? Furthermore, there's always the matter that if one lives forever, he/she must watch the ones they love perish, one by one. Even children, grandchildren, and down through the generations. If one loves someone enough that they really would never forget their loved one, I could imagine that being incredibly hard on a person.

Also, I do happen to be a religious person who believes in an afterlife, and let me tell you, as previously mentioned, an afterlife in heaven would be a LOT better than an eternal life in this world.
Ballotonia
29-10-2007, 22:50
While eternal life could certainly be fun in the beginning, it would get bad once humanity evolves to something I am not. Then I'd be the last human being around, albeit surrounded by (intelligent?) beings. Then the sun would go supernova, and if we hadn't hopped to a new planet by then, I'd be left as the only survivor... forever...

So, eternal life... no thank you.

Ballotonia
Edwinasia
30-10-2007, 11:35
No, it’s not a good idea.



Suppose that you would stay fit forever, have a nice body, don’t retard mentally thus in theory could live forever…

…then you’ll die statistically after 400 years in an accident. You cannot prevent accidents.

The 400 years (I have this amount from a corporate insurance magazine) is an average number.

Some will die sooner, other later.

The people that last here for a long time will get psychological disorders ‘cause after a while there’s no one anymore with a common history or a shared past.

Old people of 90 years old (or older) complain often that all their friends are death and have problems to get along with the young people of 60 (!) years old. Many of them, accept that they had their life and aren’t afraid anymore from being death. Some of them even look forward to be death (without having suicide thoughts)

In ‘Interview with the Vampire’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview_with_the_Vampire)is very well described how it would feel to live forever and it’s not all about fun.



Louis: “You see that old woman? That will never happen to you. You will never grow old, and you will never die”

Armand: The world changes, we do not, there lies the irony that finally kills us.

"Libera me, Domine, de vitae aeterna"
Trollgaard
30-10-2007, 11:41
No.
Ifreann
30-10-2007, 11:43
Assuming I'd remain in good physical condition and could opt out, then yes.

"Libera me, Domine, de vitae aeterna"

Free me, Lord, from the life eternal?
Non Aligned States
30-10-2007, 11:44
Hmm, I suspect that I would enjoy immortality with the following stipulations:

I will revert to the physical age of 24 and never age again.
I will be invulnerable to harm.
Once every 10,000 years, I am given the option of 'opting out' of life.

If I get all that, we have a deal. If not, we'll have to negotiate further...

I see you're making the same mistakes most would be immortals do. You're forgetting memory storage issues. There's limited storage space up there, and you're likely to forget things in bigger and bigger gaps. Imagine going through whole decades not being able to remember what you did two seconds ago and beyond.
Edwinasia
30-10-2007, 11:52
Assuming I'd remain in good physical condition and could opt out, then yes.



Free me, Lord, from the life eternal?

Yes.

I assume that many of us would commit suicide after 400 years...
Ifreann
30-10-2007, 11:58
Yes.

I assume that many of us would commit suicide after 400 years...

Depends how interesting life is in 400 years.
Khadgar
30-10-2007, 12:12
You wouldn't necessarily need new bodies, you'd just need to halt the causes of aging in the existing one. Or replace the parts that fail as they fail, thereby ensuring continuity (which could be a big concern; if I move from body to body, am I the same person?).

Replicant failure is pretty much inevitable. Your original cells you're born with are in good shape, but every time they divide there's a chance of error. After 30 years or so you've got some, but they're not noticeable yet. Another 40 years down the line and you've got concerns like cancers popping up. It's not certain how long you could go on before the cells simply stopped function completely.

Squishy bodies have issues.
Brutland and Norden
30-10-2007, 12:23
I would like to live forever so I could die over and over again.
Edwinasia
30-10-2007, 12:34
Depends how interesting life is in 400 years.

People commit suicide for other reasons as having an uninteresting life.
NERVUN
30-10-2007, 13:06
No, I would not. An extended lifespan, of, say, 1,000 or so years sounds like fun, but think about living forever. How often you you have to bury your friends, family, and those closest to you? How many times could you do that? How long could you crisscross the planet and still see something new that would engage you for years?

I think what gives life its sweetness (And bitterness) is the fact that we all know how it ends. When is a question, but it will end so that makes every moment we draw breath precious and makes our goals actually be goals. I'd think a person would lose too much if they became immortal.

As the song goes, who wants to live forever anyway?
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!
Risottia
30-10-2007, 15:09
Hmm, I suspect that I would enjoy immortality with the following stipulations:

I will revert to the physical age of 24 and never age again.
I will be invulnerable to harm.
Once every 10,000 years, I am given the option of 'opting out' of life.

If I get all that, we have a deal. If not, we'll have to negotiate further...

Daddy LG is right.
I would add an option: I can opt out of life, or become a god. What the hell, if I have to dream I'm going to dream BIG!
Peepelonia
30-10-2007, 15:31
Shit yeah!
AKKisia
30-10-2007, 15:50
Physical regression to the fitness of my late teens. Preferrably, a new set of teeth every 15 years or so.

I don't believe the body is designed to break down. It's just that there are certain "byproducts" of the body's maintenance system that it just can't quite fix yet.
Vectrova
30-10-2007, 15:53
No, never.

This would place me in a position where biological deterioration of the mind and body would get in the way of any enjoyment I might have.

If that didn't occur, there is always the tiring idea that "I'm never going to die. Why get anything done?" Which is, suffice to say, annoying to me at least. In addition, one would undoubtedly grow tired of this world after realizing the inevitable truths in it that only wisdom of so many years would bring.
Khadgar
30-10-2007, 15:54
Physical regression to the fitness of my late teens. Preferrably, a new set of teeth every 15 years or so.

I don't believe the body is designed to break down. It's just that there are certain "byproducts" of the body's maintenance system that it just can't quite fix yet.

It's not designed at all. Breakdown is inevitable.
Risottia
30-10-2007, 16:05
It's not designed at all. Breakdown is inevitable.


What about a full-body conversion into robot?
Liminus
30-10-2007, 16:15
As long as my mind maintain at least its current level of functionality. As was said, there is the issue of memory storage and, with Alzheimer's running my father's family line, it worries me a good bit (I'd rather die than suffer that facsimile of life). If, however, this issue were resolved, I would happily opt for eternal life. Think of all the things you could do and fix with a potential time line that spanned the infinite? *shrug* I think it'd be great.
Dundee-Fienn
30-10-2007, 16:16
No, I would not. An extended lifespan, of, say, 1,000 or so years sounds like fun, but think about living forever. How often you you have to bury your friends, family, and those closest to you? How many times could you do that? How long could you crisscross the planet and still see something new that would engage you for years?
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Think of how many new and wonderful relationships you could make in the same time, how many grandkids you could grow to love, etc
AKKisia
30-10-2007, 16:17
It's not designed at all. Breakdown is inevitable.

I'm not the one who said it was designed. The other guy on page 1 said "Human body is not designed to live past a century.". I don't buy that. Any multicellular organism is simply a conglomeration of tons of "organisms". Sure, those single cells will die over time, but if you can fix the errors in replication, you should definitely be able to live indefinitely(with enough raw materials to support of course). Look at cancer.
Hamilay
30-10-2007, 16:18
What happens to a hypothetical immortal being when the universe is hypothetically destroyed? Do they go along floating in nothingness for eternity? Anyways, that sort of thing is why I might give it a miss without an escape clause.
Khadgar
30-10-2007, 16:20
What about a full-body conversion into robot?

Only way I can see living past 150 or so.
The Shin Ra Corp
30-10-2007, 16:24
The human mind cannot match immortality. When the last stars have popped out of existance, at the latest, there will be nothing left of you but madness and despair. To obtain the powers of a god, one must become more than human... and perhaps less... So, I would only choose physical immortality if my psychical existance would also be transformed to live with the aeons ahead of me.
Liminus
30-10-2007, 16:26
What happens to a hypothetical immortal being when the universe is hypothetically destroyed? Do they go along floating in nothingness for eternity? Anyways, that sort of thing is why I might give it a miss without an escape clause.

Well, you'd have a shitload of time to figure something out so....
Bobs Taco Shack
30-10-2007, 16:58
I would like to be an immortal. I would really hope that some type of physical preservation would happen, as well. I know that I don't really connect with people very well, and I am perfectly content to be with my own thoughts. I can hypothetically think what I could do forever. With the time I have on Earth, I would try to master everything; to know everything. If I ran out of time, be it civilization or time ending, then I would sleep, and be able to construct my own reality. I think it would be a novel idea.
Isidoor
30-10-2007, 19:42
yes, if i stayed young, healthy, didn't go nuts (which would probably be impossible) had the ability to select to forget certain stuff (trauma's etc) and had the option to die if I wanted it long enough.
Vetalia
30-10-2007, 19:49
Replicant failure is pretty much inevitable. Your original cells you're born with are in good shape, but every time they divide there's a chance of error. After 30 years or so you've got some, but they're not noticeable yet. Another 40 years down the line and you've got concerns like cancers popping up. It's not certain how long you could go on before the cells simply stopped function completely.

Presumably, if you were able to correct those errors, it would not be as big as a problem. However, that would require far greater knowledge of our genetic code than we currently have, so for at least the time being there's not much we could do but replace our bodies.
Lord Raug
30-10-2007, 20:37
Well the universe is a mighty big place I suppose I could spend a few billion years exploring it. And seeing as this is a hypothetical question I would always be in the prime of my life, so physical and mental deterioration are nonexistent.

And should the universe finally collapse it will only be a matter of time before it reemerges new and restored. What are a few billion years in the face of eternity? The hardest thing to deal with is the passage of time. When centuries pass like seconds, it is hard to keep track of everything.
Khadgar
30-10-2007, 20:47
Presumably, if you were able to correct those errors, it would not be as big as a problem. However, that would require far greater knowledge of our genetic code than we currently have, so for at least the time being there's not much we could do but replace our bodies.

Presumably if you kept a template of your original genetic code from birth you could with sufficiently advanced medical technology correct the errors. However doing so would make you ask why you'd bother. Seems like an awful lot of wasted effort.
Vetalia
30-10-2007, 20:50
Presumably if you kept a template of your original genetic code from birth you could with sufficiently advanced medical technology correct the errors. However doing so would make you ask why you'd bother. Seems like an awful lot of wasted effort.

It could be cheaper, might not be. The primary risk would be correcting an "error" that turns out to actually be an important and useful change.
The Shin Ra Corp
30-10-2007, 21:03
Well the universe is a mighty big place I suppose I could spend a few billion years exploring it. And seeing as this is a hypothetical question I would always be in the prime of my life, so physical and mental deterioration are nonexistent.

And should the universe finally collapse it will only be a matter of time before it reemerges new and restored. What are a few billion years in the face of eternity? The hardest thing to deal with is the passage of time. When centuries pass like seconds, it is hard to keep track of everything.

But, there are only finite possibilities. After a few rounds of this "Universal Reincarnation Cycle", things would start to repeat themselves. And that would happen infinite times. And you will mercilessly be faced with eternal repetance of the same story. That'll make you go acidic.
King Arthur the Great
30-10-2007, 21:12
I want what you are all saying, but I do not want immortality.

I want to have a lifespan that's in the top percentile of the human population. During this time, I would like to have all of Wolverine's healing capabilities. And then I want to go very quickly and suddenly, with a time and date that I know of, so that I may hold my funeral party before hand, and thus go out as high as one can get.
Khadgar
30-10-2007, 21:13
It could be cheaper, might not be. The primary risk would be correcting an "error" that turns out to actually be an important and useful change.

Could be a one man evolution going on. As errors and mutations occur and propagate through your cells.
Ashmoria
30-10-2007, 21:14
no im not interested in living forever. 100 good years should be enough to get the full experience of life.

i would like to be reincarnated with a limited amount of memory of having lived before. living a few different lives would be far more interesting than extending this one indefinitely.
Liminus
30-10-2007, 22:10
Presumably if you kept a template of your original genetic code from birth you could with sufficiently advanced medical technology correct the errors. However doing so would make you ask why you'd bother. Seems like an awful lot of wasted effort.

Don't viruses just hijack cells by implanting their own DNA into the replication chain? Wouldn't, in theory, a virus tailored to a single person's DNA be able to rejuvenate that person since a lot of cell deterioration is due to the tail end of the DNA being chopped off little pieces at a time every time it replicates? This honestly doesn't seem too far fetched. I mean, sure, you'd have to deal with free radicals and such but it should extend your life so much that you're more likely to die from an accident before you actually suffer old age?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, though...my knowledge of biology is...um...very limited. I took high school bio and nearly failed it, and that's about it. =p
Hayteria
30-10-2007, 22:56
Well, I don't think it makes much sense to WANT to die. There's little reason to believe that death is anything but absolute blankness forever given how it ends brain functions, and I doubt life could be worse than that. However, if there was an afterlife I'd prefer it be something you could cancel after, such as let's say during the afterlife, choosing to die during it if I changed my mind.

It's good that things like these are getting me thinking about this stuff beforehand, because I'm looking to go into cryonics research and part of why is how since it lets you go infinitely farther into the future (in case anyone doesn't know, cryonics is basically the idea of freezing human bodies to revive them in the future, such that the freezing is what kills them but also what protects them from rotting so they can be brought back to life, allowing them to shift the time frame of their life span to later in the future) I'm thinking that eventually technology will be able to develop some form of artificial afterlife, such that what seems hypothetical here can be applied...
Dalmatia Cisalpina
30-10-2007, 23:06
Yesterday I was at the funeral of a very good friend of mine, who died in a plane crash last week. I'm Christian, and I believe that it will be only a few short years (for how long is 80 years probably, tops, from now?) before I see him again. I don't want to live forever. I want to live long enough to accomplish what I was born to do. If I leave the world a better place than I found it, I at least have made a difference.
Vetalia
30-10-2007, 23:11
Well, I don't think it makes much sense to WANT to die. There's little reason to believe that death is anything but absolute blankness forever given how it ends brain functions, and I doubt life could be worse than that. However, if there was an afterlife I'd prefer it be something you could cancel after, such as let's say during the afterlife, choosing to die during it if I changed my mind.

I don't fear death, which is probably rather surprising given that many people desire immortality out of fear. I know I'll get something after I die, either reincarnation or simply existence as a spirit (preferably in the Shinto sense, but any way is fine). I just want to live a long time so I can spend that time using the wisdom and knowledge I gain to make the world a better place. I do enjoy being here, after all.
Bemuk
30-10-2007, 23:20
I get a headache the moment I have to think about eternal life... No thanks. Rather die when I'm 90 or so.
Hayteria
30-10-2007, 23:28
I don't fear death, which is probably rather surprising given that many people desire immortality out of fear. I know I'll get something after I die, either reincarnation or simply existence as a spirit (preferably in the Shinto sense, but any way is fine). I just want to live a long time so I can spend that time using the wisdom and knowledge I gain to make the world a better place. I do enjoy being here, after all.
You "know" you will? It's obviously an assumption, one I doubt you could prove, so back off before claiming it to be knowledge, ok?
Vetalia
30-10-2007, 23:31
You "know" you will? It's obviously an assumption, one I doubt you could prove, so back off before claiming it to be knowledge, ok?

Why do I need to prove anything? I know, and that's enough for me.
Bemuk
30-10-2007, 23:35
You "know" you will? It's obviously an assumption, one I doubt you could prove, so back off before claiming it to be knowledge, ok?

Leave others to believe what they like, please...
Nuevo Nihongo
30-10-2007, 23:43
I think i might get bored, but...who knows I might not.
Hayteria
30-10-2007, 23:46
Leave others to believe what they like, please...
Ok, fair enough, but I was more so responding to how he/she said "know" as if it was reasonable to claim that it was "knowledge"
New Limacon
30-10-2007, 23:47
I don't fear death, which is probably rather surprising given that many people desire immortality out of fear. I know I'll get something after I die, either reincarnation or simply existence as a spirit (preferably in the Shinto sense, but any way is fine). I just want to live a long time so I can spend that time using the wisdom and knowledge I gain to make the world a better place. I do enjoy being here, after all.

Same here. According to many religions, one technically lives forever, either through reincarnation or in a eternal paradise. I wouldn't mind that, not at all.
But would I want to live in this world forever? No, it would get old after a while. What I would really like would be deciding when I wanted to die of old age. That way I wouldn't run out of time, or be left with an eternity of doing nothing.
Vetalia
31-10-2007, 00:12
Ok, fair enough, but I was more so responding to how he/she said "know" as if it was reasonable to claim that it was "knowledge"

It is knowledge. Knowledge to me. And that's all that matters.
Callisdrun
31-10-2007, 00:30
No.

I don't want to see all the people I love die one by one. I don't want to live so long that the lifespans of humans seem like those of mice or eventually flies. I am not a loner type person. I am a social animal, and one that does not like to make "temporary" friendships, which, if I was immortal, would be the way I'd end up thinking of new friendships made after the deaths of all my friends. I don't even want to be the last of my friends to go, let alone have to bury them all. I don't want to live to bury my children or my grandchildren (provided I have any).

And I already believe in an afterlife that's better than the life on this world, so why bother with immortality?
Vetalia
31-10-2007, 00:39
And I already believe in an afterlife that's better than the life on this world, so why bother with immortality?

I always figured this kind of immortality was the kind that would be available to everybody, not some kind of one-shot gift. That kind of immortality would suck; what good is it if other people can't share it?
Callisdrun
31-10-2007, 00:51
I always figured this kind of immortality was the kind that would be available to everybody, not some kind of one-shot gift. That kind of immortality would suck; what good is it if other people can't share it?

I don't assume that anything comes in the deal except what's stated in the deal.
Vetalia
31-10-2007, 00:58
I don't assume that anything comes in the deal except what's stated in the deal.

And I avoid these kinds of deals altogether. If I'm planning on indefinite lifespan, I'm going to make sure no contracts are involved.
Sel Appa
31-10-2007, 01:36
Sure.
Hayteria
31-10-2007, 04:06
Sorry Bemuk I gotta point out one more thing...

It is knowledge. Knowledge to me. And that's all that matters.
Oh please, in order to be knowledge, it has to be truth, (and it's not like something can be the truth "to" you and not to someone else; the truth is the truth) whereas what you're claiming to "know" is an assumption at most.
Vetalia
31-10-2007, 04:20
Oh please, in order to be knowledge, it has to be truth, (and it's not like something can be the truth "to" you and not to someone else; the truth is the truth) whereas what you're claiming to "know" is an assumption at most.

Truth? How many things are honestly completely true? Everybody interprets knowledge according to their own subjective experiences.
The Ninja Penguin
31-10-2007, 04:27
Sorry Bemuk I gotta point out one more thing...


Oh please, in order to be knowledge, it has to be truth, (and it's not like something can be the truth "to" you and not to someone else; the truth is the truth) whereas what you're claiming to "know" is an assumption at most.

:p the concept of truth is highly subjective, Hayteria, always has been and always will be - ain't that the truth?


:fluffle:I was going to pick the immortal lover option - I'm assuming S has moves that would keep us busy for all eternity?? ;)
Bann-ed
31-10-2007, 04:28
Truth? How many things are honestly completely true? Everybody interprets knowledge according to their own subjective experiences.

He may be referring to the Knowledge that is Right and True, but that we can never comprehend nor Achieve in totality. A sort of mythical plane of thought that us humans are unable to comprehend, but a plane that holds all the answers to even the unasked questions, and a prodigious number of snakes.
NERVUN
31-10-2007, 05:00
Think of how many new and wonderful relationships you could make in the same time, how many grandkids you could grow to love, etc
And great-grandchildren, and great-great-grandchildren, and great-great-great-grandchildren, and great-great-great-great-grandchildren, and great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren, and great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren, and great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren, etc.

How long before you become removed from them? How many do you want to bury?

Immortality sounds like it would quickly become an eternal funeral.
Vetalia
31-10-2007, 05:19
Immortality sounds like it would quickly become an eternal funeral.

That's why I always assume it's technological rather than magical. That way, anybody who wants to can achieve the same thing and such an unpleasant situation could be avoided.

Still, it would be rather poignant in its own way.
Euroslavia
31-10-2007, 05:51
I would never want to live forever. I wouldn't be able to live with myself, loving someone, then losing them when their life ends, and mine continues on with no end in sight. I would slowly become emotionless, because everyone around you is going to die while you live on, and I wouldn't want that life, at all.
Gartref
31-10-2007, 07:32
I would never want to live forever. I wouldn't be able to live with myself, loving someone, then losing them when their life ends, and mine continues on with no end in sight. I would slowly become emotionless, because everyone around you is going to die while you live on, and I wouldn't want that life, at all.


You just made me think of Heather.

*cries*

http://www.leninimports.com/beatie_edney_gallery_1.jpg
Cameroi
31-10-2007, 11:12
one life is WAAAAY too short for everything i'd like to learn, and create and explore. or to even know how a lot of things really work. at least know them with your own gut and experience.

there are a lot of other things that chainge with the passage of more time then one life, or even half a dozzen on end, are alloted, that i would love to be able to watch take place and what becomes of them.

=^^=
.../\...
Bemuk
31-10-2007, 13:32
Even Newton believed something 'higher' created the universe, earth, and (physics) laws. But after that, has just left the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton#Religious_views
Damor
31-10-2007, 14:13
I was thinking how I am so happy with how my life is going right now that if I could, I would never die. So if you had the chance would you live forever or do you want to die eventually?I'd probably want to die eventually. Even if I could get off this planet before the sun goes nova, or the world otherwise goes to hell, eventually the universe would die and there'd be nothing to breath but vacuum, and that'd be rather painful.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
31-10-2007, 14:33
Sure, I could go completely crazy and run around strangling people in order to eat their appendixes. Life as an unstoppable, immortal force of mindless aggression would be fun.
Sure, every few decades I'd probably end up imprisoned in some sort of inescapable high-security vault for a century or so until I could escape and wreak my vengeance yet again, but that would only serve to insure that I never got the chance to become bored of doing the same thing all the time.
Mott Haven
31-10-2007, 14:46
Hmmm...

How would you KNOW you are living forever?

You could last a million years and suddenly die at a million and one.

Or maybe you are living forever right now and just dont it yet.

Impossible to tell. And therefore impossible to make rational judgments about.
Corbindale
31-10-2007, 15:38
Absolutely.

If they figure out how to transfer entire brain functions (memory, thought process, emotions, etc) to another "host" via electronics (micro chip, hard drive, whatever) I'd be all for it. If they want to allow me to clone myself and transfer my "brain" to the clone, that'll work fine for me.
I'd love the chance to see where human advancement takes us. The last one hundred years have been mind boggling, try to imagine the next thousand !
Ilaer
31-10-2007, 18:06
You'd need new bodies periodically. Humans aren't built to last more than a century or so.

Either I'm the only person who saw the reference, or I'm seeing a reference where you didn't intend there to be one, or other people also see the reference but just ignored it. :(

As for the thread topic: yes. I want to see how humanity develops.