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I beleive freedom no longer exists in America and it in fact died very early after it's birth just as communism did.

The enlightened founding fathers created a system, later on future generations due to ignorance, greed, selfishness, and illogical bias destroyed the system by blatantly breaking rules in the constitution then covering it up with their power. Democracy is a system run by the people, so logistically for it to work the people must make it work. To properly make it work every citizen must understand the constitution properly so that they understand what the founding fathers meant.

A) The majority of the US populace today, knows more about pop culture and how to evade the justice system more than they know about math and english. Heck they barely know their own history.

B) Racists, greedy entrepreneurs are unamerican in the sense that they blatantly disregard the articles of the constitution to meet their ends. For example the statue of liberty was put up to tell foreigners "welcome to the land of oppurtunity, all foreigners and human beings are welcome" but it turns out a decade later some jack asses put up the the Chinese-exclusion act, laws that strip colored people of their citezenship and laws that segregated colored people from white people. Which is a waste of resources and incredible unamerican. The majority of the populace from that time period to now is unamerican, if they were truly patriotic they would have set aside their racism, greed and selfishness and read the damn rules[constitution] and understand them. The founding fathers didn't want racism, or industry to become like another 17th century British government!

In conclusion in order for freedom to remain education has to be the top priority so that everyone will be good enough thinkers to understand the rules that are the heart of the nation. Secondly every citizen must know the constitution by heart so that the smegging system begins to work!

Thoughts?

Quit your whining and conform to our Freedom.

Freedom isn't free!

Quit your whining and conform to our Freedom.

What freedom, it no longer exists, therefore no one can conform to it.

What freedom, it no longer exists, therefore no one can conform to it.

Clearly you don't understand our unique and ergonomically designed brand of Freedom(tm).

Freedom isn't free!

It costs 3.50 with 7% annual interest. Restictions may apply.

Freedom isn't free!

That's my point exactly, freedom can only exist if we work to make it exist, in that we have failed.

Freedom costs a buck-oh-five.

Well, you must realize that even though someone has memorized the constitution it dosen't mean that they will care any more than when they didn't or feel compeled to follow it.

The founding fathers didn't want racism, or industry to become like another 17th century British government!?
I think you mean the 18th century, seeing as the Act of Union, which created Great Britain, wasn't until 1707. Incidentally, we gave up state-sanctioned racism a full 30 years earlier than you, so please don't try to claim some kind of moral high ground over us.

Oh also, stop being ridiculous, you're still perfectly free to do a whole plethora of things that you wouldn't be able to in oh so many states. Having a constitution and learning it off by heart doesn't make you intrinsically freer, no matter what you might think.

That's my point exactly, freedom can only exist if we work to make it exist, in that we have failed.
I was being sarcastic...

Nonetheless, I agree with you, although you misinterpreted my "freedom isn't free" post. I meant to make fun of those crazy rednecks who say "You have to EARRRRNN your freedom!" (You know how rednecks drag out the RRRNNN in things.)

However, I don't think we've "lost our freedom." Freedom is such a vague term, you're going to have to define it first to avoid confusion.

you can always come back, one foot in the grave re-runs are a good enough excuse I think :p

That's my point exactly, freedom can only exist if we work to make it exist, in that we have failed.
... he was quoting Team America : World Police ;)

Freedom at its purest form hasn't existed since the first structured government formed. Absolute freedom basically anarchy, and to avoid anarchy but still have some indication of freedom, we rely on governments to secure our most sacred freedoms while we sacrifice a few other freedoms and allow restrictions to be placed on us.

I am not saying that it is a good thing, but you should look at freedom as being on a sliding continuum.

Well, you must realize that even though someone has memorized the constitution it dosen't mean that they will care any more than when they didn't or feel compeled to follow it.

Thats why freedom no longer exists, citizens don't care about the constitution so they do things and pass laws which break it's[constitution] laws thus destroying freedoms of certain target groups and other citezens. If they cared and understood it properly the system would work.

Freedom at its purest form hasn't existed since the first structured government formed. Absolute freedom basically anarchy, and to avoid anarchy but still have some indication of freedom, we rely on governments to secure our most sacred freedoms while we sacrifice a few other freedoms and allow restrictions to be placed on us.

I am not saying that it is a good thing, but you should look at freedom as being on a sliding continuum.

Anarchy's not freedom, because then people would be burglarising ad raping unchecked, then where are all the rights of the victims? And if there was anarchy most people would be victims at one time or another.

Anarchy's not freedom, because then people would be burglarising ad raping unchecked, then where are all the rights of the victims? And if there was anarchy most people would be victims at one time or another.

Where are you getting that from?

People do that anyway, some are caught for it, some aren't.

By your reasoning then, freedom has never existed. Ever. In the Entire Universe.

So why do we have a word for it?

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Anarchy's not freedom, because then people would be burglarising ad raping unchecked, then where are all the rights of the victims? And if there was anarchy most people would be victims at one time or another.
I think not.

I'm a quite-nice person, I don't see how there being no laws on anything would change that. If you were decent, you'd be decent, if not, you'd probably get killed anyway.

Anarchy's not freedom, because then people would be burglarising ad raping unchecked, then where are all the rights of the victims? And if there was anarchy most people would be victims at one time or another.

yes thats precisely what happens in the areas where government doesn't exist!

oh wait no it doesn't, maybe crime isn't controlled by having policemen everywhere:eek:

As far as I'm concerned, we have freedom in most parts of the world. Hell, you were making this thread discussing how you think the government is corrupted, SL, so tell me, if we aren't free then why haven't the Secret Police come to take you away yet?

Where are you getting that from?

People do that anyway, some are caught for it, some aren't.

By your reasoning then, freedom has never existed. Ever. In the Entire Universe.

So why do we have a word for it?

In anarchy people would be allowed to do it legally since the only justice system would be "might makes right" There'd be no government there to set up olice to stop things like that. At least in society with proper government there are service the government provides to the civilian populace to ensure their freedom like the military and police. (lets not forget that without them we'd be invaded and crime would overrun us)

In anarchy people would be allowed to do it legally since the only justice system would be "might makes right" There'd be no government there to set up olice to stop things like that. At least in society with proper government there are service the government provides to the civilian populace to ensure their freedom like the military and police. (lets not forget that without them we'd be invaded and crime would overrun us)
Right. So your kind of freedom isn't anarchy, because that's too free, and isn't government control, because that's too strict.

Make your bloody mind up.

freedom has never existed. it is mearly a figment of the human imagination.:D

In anarchy people would be allowed to do it legally since the only justice system would be "might makes right" There'd be no government there to set up olice to stop things like that. At least in society with proper government there are service the government provides to the civilian populace to ensure their freedom like the military and police. (lets not forget that without them we'd be invaded and crime would overrun us)

That is how government works. If it was powerless to enforce laws or fight other nations, it would be ineffective.

So instead of me robbing you, the government does.

*shakes fist at government*

As far as I'm concerned, we have freedom in most parts of the world. Hell, you were making this thread discussing how you think the government is corrupted, SL, so tell me, if we aren't free then why haven't the Secret Police come to take you away yet?

Your saying they're not corrupted by the founding father's standards?

1984 happened back in 1776....

Remember, there is some fairly decent evidence that shows that at least a few of the founding father's were potheads... Think about it, only stoned occultists could think that a scrap of paper could prevent the tyranny, corruption and oppression that happened in every single other nation ever to mar the face of this planet.

Your saying they're not corrupted by the founding father's standards?
1776 wasn't some kind of golden age, where people at the right time did exactly the right thing. Hell no. They probably had a hand in almost every pot, history just records them differently because hating the British was an easy thing to do, especially when they've just had a war with you.

They were probably a bunch of Winston Churchills - very rich, quite corrupt, of the upper class, would have been hated were it not for a war with a powerful empire at the time, utterly idolised by future generations.

Your saying they're not corrupted by the founding father's standards?

You can't get around corruption. Live with it. I'm saying that if you really think freedom doesn't exist, how come you have the freedom to state your beliefs?

1776 wasn't some kind of golden age, where people at the right time did exactly the right thing. Hell no. They probably had a hand in almost every pot, history just records them differently because hating the British was an easy thing to do, especially when they've just had a war with you.

They were probably a bunch of Winston Churchills - very rich, quite corrupt, of the upper class, would have been hated were it not for a war with a powerful empire at the time, utterly idolised by future generations.

Amen. And this is coming from an American...

As far as I'm concerned, we have freedom in most parts of the world. Hell, you were making this thread discussing how you think the government is corrupted, SL, so tell me, if we aren't free then why haven't the Secret Police come to take you away yet?

He actually thinks that he's being watched by the government through his Civics homework. I shit you not.

if we aren't free then why haven't the Secret Police come to take you away yet?

We also have the freedom to purchase all the shoddily manufactured foreign slave-labor made goods we want...

The only freedoms we have are the ones that don't matter. The little freedoms.

I.E. we can say what we want because our voice doesn't matter

He actually thinks that he's being watched by the government through his Civics homework. I shit you not.

lulz... there's an idea...

.............cut..............
Thoughts?
How Free are people if they are chained to the ideas of their long-dead-Freedom-loving-founding-fathers?

Shouldn't people be Free to curb their own Freedom, if they so choose?

Doesn't a nation have the right to do with its freedom as it sees fit?

You are in the wrong place. From what I've seen the vast majority of people here cannot comprehend the difference between freedom and free-stuff. "Free-stuff" has a funny way of costing more and more of your freedom - and many many people are only too willing to sell their souls to get it.

I beleive freedom no longer exists in America and it in fact died very early after it's birth just as communism did.

The enlightened founding fathers created a system, later on future generations due to ignorance, greed, selfishness, and illogical bias destroyed the system by blatantly breaking rules in the constitution then covering it up with their power. Democracy is a system run by the people, so logistically for it to work the people must make it work. To properly make it work every citizen must understand the constitution properly so that they understand what the founding fathers meant.

A) The majority of the US populace today, knows more about pop culture and how to evade the justice system more than they know about math and english. Heck they barely know their own history.

B) Racists, greedy entrepreneurs are unamerican in the sense that they blatantly disregard the articles of the constitution to meet their ends. For example the statue of liberty was put up to tell foreigners "welcome to the land of oppurtunity, all foreigners and human beings are welcome" but it turns out a decade later some jack asses put up the the Chinese-exclusion act, laws that strip colored people of their citezenship and laws that segregated colored people from white people. Which is a waste of resources and incredible unamerican. The majority of the populace from that time period to now is unamerican, if they were truly patriotic they would have set aside their racism, greed and selfishness and read the damn rules[constitution] and understand them. The founding fathers didn't want racism, or industry to become like another 17th century British government!

In conclusion in order for freedom to remain education has to be the top priority so that everyone will be good enough thinkers to understand the rules that are the heart of the nation. Secondly every citizen must know the constitution by heart so that the smegging system begins to work!

Thoughts?

What do you expect? Enlightenment was an almost European phenomenon, and those who went to America were exactly those who fled from the results of enlightenment: religious nutjobs, fundamentalists, outcasts of European societies, basically the scum that Europe was fed up with. The freedom aspect has always been one with a stain.

if we aren't free then why haven't the Secret Police come to take you away yet?

because freedom isn't black and white it has levels and such

SNIP

pfft people catch criminals and crush invasions not governments

Your saying they're not corrupted by the founding father's standards?

are you really sure the founding fathers standards actually got that high?

pfft people catch criminals and crush invasions not governments

Are you telling me that the western European people crushed the German invasion? Or were they driven back with a significant help from Canada, the USA, and the UK?

because freedom isn't black and white it has levels and such



pfft people catch criminals and crush invasions not governments



are you really sure the founding fathers standards actually got that high?

2) Who coordinates them so they're successful

3) Well I'm sure as hell that those asshole who passed racist laws and stripped people of citezenship were being unamerican.

2) Who coordinates them so they're successful
People.
3) Well I'm sure as hell that those asshole who passed racist laws and stripped people of citezenship were being unamerican.
Not in their eyes, they weren't.

Are you telling me that the western European people crushed the German invasion? Or were they driven back with a significant help from Canada, the USA, and the UK?
Who fights wars?

People. And UAVs have operators before you try some smarmy shite like that.

Gee i don't know about you.. but i feel pretty free. go live in north korea dumbass and you'll see.

Are you telling me that the western European people crushed the German invasion? Or were they driven back with a significant help from Canada, the USA, and the UK?

Canada, the USA, and the UK are comprised of people.

If there were no people, they would not exist as anything other than a frontier with some lines drawn on a map.

The Founding Fathers were hardly enlightened; they were a consortium of public land speculators, industrialists, public debt creditors and bankers looking to politically manage the economy for their own personal benefit (sound familiar?). It is not an anomaly that a police-state and empire have grown from the Constitution; the Constitution necessarily gives itself to tyranny.

People.

Not in their eyes, they weren't.

1)People who govern

2) They're eyes don't matter, they were being unlawful in the eyes of those who wrote the laws that define the country.

So are you saying that if I rob a bank and that if I'm not a robber in my eyes even though in the justice system clearly states I am, I am not a robber?

I think freedom is such a vague term that it is unlikely that this question will ever be answered. Historically we as a people are probably the freest(sp?) we have ever been. I agree that anarchy is total freedom, the freedom to do what you want without and legal repurcusions, but then your neighbor has the freedom to punish you for it. Perhaps freedom isnt in the populations best interest in the same way a facist government isnt. What we need is a compromise, and whether we have reached that is debatable, is the system we have perfect? I doubt anyone would argue yes to that. Is the system the best system humanity has come up with yet? I think yes. I also think people sitting in their furnished bedrooms arguing if they are free or not, while someone elsewhere in the world is starving to death is a fairly unimportant argument. If you think you are opressed as an American, look out to the rest of the world and stop whining.

Who fights wars?

People. And UAVs have operators before you try some smarmy shite like that.

People. And what is the difference between people and a government if a government is composed of people. It is people under jurisdiction of and therefore acting as an arm of the government that fight wars.

So are you saying that if I rob a bank and that if I'm not a robber in my eyes even though in the justice system clearly states I am am not a robber?

I don't think anyone can say that with a straight face. Or coherently.
:p

Incidentally, we gave up state-sanctioned racism a full 30 years earlier than you, so please don't try to claim some kind of moral high ground over us.


I'm pretty sure he wasn't. In fact he even criticized how the US had any kind of official racism in the first place, and a bunch of other things about the US. There's no point in trying to defend Britain's history, as a few hundred years ago, less than one hundred in some respects, pretty much every country was extremely immorally run by modern standards. I'm English, by the way.

I agree with nearly everything said in the original post, except that children should have to learn the constitution off by heart. I don't think that would achieve much, if anything, and I consider trying to instil patriotism in children as a form of brainwashing.

The problem with the idea of freedom is that it is almost impossible to achieve, as being totally free would mean you could do anything. If you could do anything then you could infringe on the rights of others, by attacking them, stealing from them, etc., which would mean they weren't free. It seems the only way to be as free as is physically possible (so excluding things which aren't actually possible anyway, like flying, for instance) would be to be completely isolated from all other living things, and so as a basis for a government that governs a population higher than one, it doesn't work. I do believe we should aim for as much freedom as possible while keeping restrictions on actions that would damage the human rights of others, which is pretty much what seems to be the intended meaning of 'freedom' in many modern nations, including the US. The problem with this is it can be interpreted in different ways depending on the people and the situation, but the same could be true if we actually said 'we want as much freedom as possible without actually taking away basic human rights'. Therefore I don't think freedom should be the ultimate goal of a government, I think it should be happiness, although freedom to a point should be an important part of this.

One of the most annoying things I've ever seen written on the internet was coming from an American (who I assume, or at least hope, was young at the time) who said "America is by far the free-est country in the world". I believe that this is one of the results of trying to teach children to be patriotic; they can develop a kind of blind arrogance which is in reality based on very little.

1)People who govern
Here, allow me to demonstrate for you, seeing as you are too stupid to understand.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/5711/bush_cheney.jpg

People

http://www.starbridge.com.au/images/opt/hunger.jpg

People



One set pretty much controls the world, the others can't control their food intake on a daily basis. Both sets are people.
2) They're eyes don't matter, they were being unlawful in the eyes of those who wrote the laws that define the country.
So?

They didn't get those laws killed for their unconstitutional nature, and in their eyes, they were doing the right thing.
So are you saying that if I rob a bank and that if I'm not a robber in my eyes even though in the justice system clearly states I am am not a robber?
Erm, no.

In your eyes, you might not be doing something wrong, the law simply states otherwise. If you were caught for this, you'd be completely shafted.

Lets see what I can do. I can practice whatever religion I choose freely. I can still peaceably assemble to protest government actions. I can still vote in elections. Yep I seem to still be free in the U.S. Who'd have thunk it. :rolleyes:

People. And what is the difference between people and a government if a government is composed of people. It is people under jurisdiction of and therefore acting as an arm of the government that fight wars.
Not always, it's more that sometimes people who fight are given the blessing of the government to do so, and sometimes whole sections of the populace are conscripted to fight.

You can have wars without government approval, after all. See the war between Israel and Hezbollah in 2006.

*edits*

I'll be back in 30, but post thingummies and such.

Vive le contre-revolution!I'm almost certain a revolution is female...

I'm almost certain a revolution is female...

It would follow that the counter-revolution would be male then?

Freedom no longer exists in America (allegedly). So you make a thread title "freedom no longer exists". Nice, well adjusted view of the world you have :rolleyes:

Edit: your post is also totally wrong. The guy at the top can only stay there for 8 years, he can be voted out. You can say damn near whatever the hell you want. Seriously, why don't you check out the rest of the world some time? Might do you some good.

I'm almost certain a revolution is female...

Yeah I completely gave up on that system when I found out that dress was masculine in Spanish.

Vestido for those who need to know.

Here, allow me to demonstrate for you, seeing as you are too stupid to understand.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/5711/bush_cheney.jpg

People

http://www.starbridge.com.au/images/opt/hunger.jpg

People



One set pretty much controls the world, the others can't control their food intake on a daily basis. Both sets are people.

So?

They didn't get those laws killed for their unconstitutional nature, and in their eyes, they were doing the right thing.

Erm, no.

In your eyes, you might not be doing something wrong, the law simply states otherwise. If you were caught for this, you'd be completely shafted.


So shouldn't some racist person in office trying to remove rights from another human being be punished whether they beleive they are doing what's American or not?

What do you expect? Enlightenment was an almost European phenomenon, and those who went to America were exactly those who fled from the results of enlightenment: religious nutjobs, fundamentalists, outcasts of European societies, basically the scum that Europe was fed up with. The freedom aspect has always been one with a stain.

Perhaps you would care to explain how people could flee the Enlightenment before it actually occurred, as that is when most of the colonies were begun. Perhaps you would also care to explain how the colonies could be less free when many were founded with democratically elected governments, and the voting body was much larger percentage wise than it was in Europe. And perhaps you would care to explain the notable recurrences of people such as Locke and Montesquieu in the writings and plans of the Founding Fathers.

Or, perhaps you are content with the version of history that best fits your pre-existing opinions. That works, too.

I'm almost certain a revolution is female...

Everything that ends in "ion" is feminine.

Not always, it's more that sometimes people who fight are given the blessing of the government to do so, and sometimes whole sections of the populace are conscripted to fight.

You can have wars without government approval, after all. See the war between Israel and Hezbollah in 2006.

*edits*

I'll be back in 30, but post thingummies and such.

Actually, when considering the war between Hezbollah and Israel, you cannot simply say random people just started picking up guns and making bombs and they just get labeled Hebollah. The name Hezbollah is the name of a group which is coordinated by an administration, so in turn you can consider it a government that is not necessarily in control of a territory.

True Freedom is unachievable because to have freedom one must not have selfishness or thievery (or alternatively one must have the moral calibre to resist those temptations).

One can strive for a universal True Freedom but one can never achieve it because someone will always give into greed and violate someone else’s freedom.

You can't forbid someone from being greedy because by doing that you are taking away their freedom of being greedy.

That means you will never find a civilisation with perfect freedom; you will instead only find civilisations that imitate True Freedom


You can on the other hand create “fairness” in a civilisation. This is done by trying to create as much freedom as possible while restraining its unwanted by-products (greed and thievery).

you can only only achive this by having a goverment as well as society

Society creates the freedom and government creates the deterrents.

To quote Thomas Paine:



"Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness Positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an in tolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence."

Everything that ends in "ion" is feminine.

From now on, this is how I will determine the gender of NSers.

From now on, this is how I will determine the gender of NSers.

It's as good a system as any.

From now on, this is how I will determine the gender of NSers.
You know some?

How 'bout masculine?

So shouldn't some racist person in office trying to remove rights from another human being be punished whether they beleive they are doing what's American or not?
Should and shouldn't weren't part of my argument. For the record, racism should be punished. I don't care about your 'americanism' claptrap. It's simply intolerable with or without that.
Actually, when considering the war between Hezbollah and Israel, you cannot simply say random people just started picking up guns and making bombs and they just get labeled Hebollah. The name Hezbollah is the name of a group which is coordinated by an administration, so in turn you can consider it a government that is not necessarily in control of a territory.
People does not automatically equate to "randomers without power", because it doesn't. A government is simply a group of people, who are ruling. They're still people.

I'd say we're still free. The democratic system isn't perfect, but it still works as far as I'm concerned.

Politicians want power, correct? Now, the politicians in the US have organized themselves into two factions - the Democrats and the Republicans. And it is the people that decide which faction they want in charge. See, we have regular elections. Last November, the people decided that they were tired of the Republicans, so they put the Democrats in charge. That was the decision of the people.

Everything that ends in "ion" is feminine.
Do you mean like, "lion", and "cation"?
"generation"?
"aggrevation"?
"nomination"?
"masturbation"?

Do you mean like, "lion", and "cation"?
"generation"?
"aggrevation"?
"nomination"?
"masturbation"?

Perhaps I should have specified that I meant in French, which is what the signature being commented on was in.

You know some?

How 'bout masculine?

Not yet, but thats 'cause there are no wimmen on teh internetz. Duh.

Masculine would be everyone else.

Perhaps I should have specified that I meant in French, which is what the signature being commented on was in.

Nah, it's all good. I should've actually bothered to read what you were replying to - alas, i weren't.

GEORGE BUSH IS A RETARDED MONKEY AND I HATE AMERICA! GO MARX! ALLAHU AKBAR! I AM A DRUG DEALER! I DOWNLOAD FIVE GIGABYTES OF COPYRIGHTED MUSIC EVERY DAY AND SELL IT TO ORPHANS!
*Runs to window to check for black helicopters*
Nope, nothin'. Damn.

GEORGE BUSH IS A RETARDED MONKEY AND I HATE AMERICA! GO MARX! ALLAHU AKBAR! I AM A DRUG DEALER! I DOWNLOAD FIVE GIGABYTES OF COPYRIGHTED MUSIC EVERY DAY AND SELL IT TO ORPHANS!
*Runs to window to check for black helicopters*
Nope, nothin'. Damn.

Erm, give it a minute.
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>.>

Erm, give it a minute.
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>.>

*phones homeland security and the IRA/IRS/CIA/FBI/LOL/MRI/MIA/SOS*

*phones homeland security and the IRA/IRS/CIA/FBI/LOL/MRI/MIA/SOS*

Oh good, I can escape in the crossfire.

Oh good, I can escape in the crossfire.

Mmmmm .... you may do well here.

You want to experience some freedom?
Wear a Kilt.

Thats why freedom no longer exists, citizens don't care about the constitution so they do things and pass laws which break it's[constitution] laws thus destroying freedoms of certain target groups and other citezens. If they cared and understood it properly the system would work.
How do you make someone care about something? Make it affect them. However, the constitution says "freedom" even if that means ignorance and stupidity.

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Actually, it costs $1.05.

Actually, it costs $1.05.

But that would make banks cry. You wouldn't want that now would you.

You want to experience some freedom?
Wear a Kilt.And a blue ribbon?
QFT.

Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize

3) Well I'm sure as hell that those asshole who passed racist laws and stripped people of citezenship were being unamerican.

You do realize that Washington was a plantation running slaveholder don't you?

You do realize that Washington was a plantation running slaveholder don't you?
:eek:

*munches popcorn*

:eek:

*munches popcorn*

Why, are you saying it isn't true?

Anyway. Since you've got popcorn. *swipes* :p

And a blue ribbon?
QFT.

I'd go around town in a kilt now, but I can almost guarantee I'd end up with a pin instead of a ribbon.

Why, are you saying it isn't true?No no, more like "ohnoyouDIN't!"
A spectacle on the way, methinks.

Anyway. Since you've got popcorn. *swipes* :pWell, it's fun to share. I think there's something about that on that "Altruism" thread.

You do realize that Washington was a plantation running slaveholder don't you?

Then why would he sign the constitution when it states that ALL men(regardless of color and ethnicity) have equal rights?

Then why would he sign the constitution when it states that ALL men(regardless of color and ethnicity) have equal rights?

Because ALL men have equal rights, but some have more equal-er rights than others.
Or something to that effect.

Because ALL men have equal rights, but some have more equal-er rights than others.
Or something to that effect.

Then how come the complete striping of all rights of Asians and Africans was allowed if the constitution states that all men have rights, whether they are as equal to the white man's or not?

Then how come the complete striping of all rights of Asians and Africans was allowed if the constitution states that all men have rights, whether they are as equal to the white man's or not?

Because it was politically expedient.

Then how come the complete striping of all rights of Asians and Africans was allowed if the constitution states that all men have rights, whether they are as equal to the white man's or not?

They had the right to breathe oxygen(for the most part), they had the right to reproduce(to make us more slave babies, wee!), they had the right to be enslaved(was in high demand back then), and they had the right to be wrong.
...
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Do I appear to be a founding father to you?
Or a slaveowner?
How the heck should I know?

Then why would he sign the constitution when it states that ALL men(regardless of color and ethnicity) have equal rights?

When they said "all men are created equal", in that time period, "all men" stood for "all men who brought a pen to sign this document."

:D

Washington at his death let his slaves go free.... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

Oh and the reason the slaves had the right to make babies is that the slave trade was banned in the 1790's

When they said "all men are created equal", in that time period, "all men" stood for "all men who brought a pen to sign this document."

:D

Washington at his death let his slaves go free.... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

Possibly.

At any rate, it isn't hard to give up something when you no longer have any use for it...thats like saying I leave all my money to pay the webhosting fee for nationstates if I suddenly vanish into thin air.

Possibly.

At any rate, it isn't hard to give up something when you no longer have any use for it...thats like saying I leave all my money to pay the webhosting fee for nationstates if I suddenly vanish into thin air.

I was wondering if someone would eventually do that.

I was wondering if someone would eventually do that.

I don't plan on vanishing into thin air anytime soon.

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So don't count on it.

I don't plan on vanishing into thin air anytime soon.

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>.>

So don't count on it.

Darn! I was going to take your money- I mean, count your money for you....:p

Darn! I was going to take your money- I mean, count your money for you....:p

[anti-semite]You Jew.[/anti-semite]

*waits to see if that is actually a tag*

Lets see! I have the freedom to:

Vote
Speak my opinion without fear of arrest
travel
choice
think for myself
practice my religion the way I see fit
spend my money anyway I want to
work whereever I want to
petition the government (worthless I know but I do have that right)

And a whole host of things that I know I am forgetting.

And a whole host of things that I know I am forgetting.

Do you know why you are forgetting them?
Its the government, they leech your mindcells using infra-brain-waves-radio-transfer-incompatible-flash-technology.
Quick! Put on this aluminum-roil-cap-brain-isolator!
*tosses you the cap and heads for brain-bunker*

[anti-semite]You Jew.[/anti-semite]

*waits to see if that is actually a tag*

Aww I wanted to see the tag.....:(

Then why would he sign the constitution when it states that ALL men(regardless of color and ethnicity) have equal rights?

Because he, like most other white, landowning Americans of the time, probably considered those not of his skin color to be subhuman.

Then why would he sign the constitution when it states that ALL men(regardless of color and ethnicity) have equal rights?
Because he knew that slavery was going to continue, and it sounded really good to the people he was around?

The only people who were going to take notice of what the constitution said were essentially what was the urbanite middle classes in the Northern cities, who were making their money from mining operations and so on and so forth.

The people who owned slaves who made the constitution were above the law, and the farmers in the south could have cared less about some constitution that they'd be only vaguely aware of?

To the individual behind South Lizasauria: I am an agent of your local law enforcement agency. Your post is in violation of Regulation #007194759, 'Unauthorised Creation of Topics upon an Internet Forum'; Regulation #000075914-C 'Improper Use of the word "Freedom"'; Regulation #091891891, 'Harbouring and/or supporting terrorists and/or liberals'; and Regulation #000672938, 'Use of Humour Without A Licence'. I am afraid a federal judge has just found you guilty on all counts and you have been sentenced to be fed to giant bugs from outer space. [opens trapdoor] Fido! Spot! Rover! FOOOOOOD!

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Two and two make five

All hail Dogbert. Dogbert is my king.

HAH! I knew I was right! (http://axeman014-political.blogspot.com/) :cool: *dances*