NationStates Jolt Archive

So, how long will it be before people get tired of the '08 Clusterfuck (Thank you John Stewart) to the White House? I mean it's Oct. of '07 (almost Nov.) and we still have a year to go! I think that in '08, we're going to see the lowest voter turnout ever, and that'll be mostly because by the time the actual voting takes place, everyone will basically be sick of the whole deal, sick of the ads campaigns, sick of the speeches, sick of the debates, just sick of the whole mess. Personally I'm already sick of the primaries and wish that they would just go ahead and pick their candidate and get it on with. What do you guys think?

Seems like only a month after GWB won the last election they were talking about '08. It is pathetic but how do you stop these clowns from talking about it? - you can't.

Seems like only a month after GWB won the last election they were talking about '08. It is pathetic but how do you stop these clowns from talking about it? - you can't.

I wonder what would happen if no votes were casted, anywhere?

Well you guys are quite a while away from an election, in Australia we have to vote in like a few weeks, I don't even want to - but I don't want to get fined so I will.

To be fair, talking about getting rid of Bush this early is just another example of relentless American optimism.

I wonder what would happen if no votes were casted, anywhere?

Hmmm, that would be interesting. I suppose the candidates would vote for themselves.

After Dubya the common strategy for the public seems to be "vote early and vote often". I'm not advocating breaking the law, but (arguably) the lats time elections were polarized was November 1860 and we know what happened then. :/

Well you guys are quite a while away from an election, in Australia we have to vote in like a few weeks, I don't even want to - but I don't want to get fined so I will.

What? They fine you if you do not vote in Ozz?

I've been sick of it since June, and that's only because I was out of the country before that. I've been sick of Presidential elections since February because I when I got off the plane in France then the election there was already in full swing.

Fascism can only come to power in a crisis when hysteria and a warrior mentality pervades society with fear, for it's continuance it requires a constant regeneration of society with this ideology, usually through a seemingly never-ending crisis.

Hmmm, that would be interesting. I suppose the candidates would vote for themselves.

So whoever lives in the bigger state wins. Simple as that.

What? They fine you if you do not vote in Ozz?

Kinda, if your enrolled and you don't turn up to the polls and get signed off you will get a fine, so you can purposely not get enrolled (but I am not so sure, I you have to be to work in the public service), or you could turn up on polling day and invalidate your voting card. Either way you wouldn't vote, but officially voting is compulsory.

Eureka: if you don't want to vote, then do a write-in vote for someone with NO chance. My advice is to browse the newspaper, pick a random name, and choose that.

It gets earlier and earlier every year...
Oh, I thought you guys were talking about Christmas! ;)

Fascism can only come to power in a crisis when hysteria and a warrior mentality pervades society with fear, for it's continuance it requires a constant regeneration of society with this ideology, usually through a seemingly never-ending crisis.

Thanks for Godwinning, AP. We appreciate it.

Thanks for Godwinning, AP. We appreciate it.

Is that really a Godwin though? He didn't say Nazi specifically.

I'm tired of people calling it early, to be honest. To watch people blather on about 'who the nominee is' has been like watching people decide who won a championship after the first point is scored.

Is that really a Godwin though? He didn't say Nazi specifically.

Well, a mini-Godwin at least. When one thinks of Fascism, I'd bet Nazi Germany is the first thing that comes to mind.

Well, a mini-Godwin at least. When one thinks of Fascism, I'd bet Nazi Germany is the first thing that comes to mind.

Wasn't Mussolini's Italy also a Facist state in Pre-WW II and during WW II?

I'm tuning it out, largely. I feel that voting is an entirely pointless exercise, a form of modern mysticism, that is merely a tool for whoever holds the rein of power to claim legitimacy as they leech away taxes and give favors to their cronies. The only candidate I would ever consider voting for, Ron Paul, will never be on the polls anyway, since none of the main players in politics will support a candidate that won't bribe them in exchange for their support.

Thank God I won't have to pay a fine for not voting. That I would have to pay some renumeration for foregoing the privilege of putting an X in a little box would add insult to injury.

Well, a mini-Godwin at least. When one thinks of Fascism, I'd bet Nazi Germany is the first thing that comes to mind.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, Godwin refers specifically to Nazism, which if you knew anything about political theory would realize is totally different to fascism. Fascism is very broad, but specifically it's traits are A) a cult of masculinity, b) anti-materialism/anti-modernism, c) national myths and conspiracy theories to replace objective study and d) militarism or the 'warrior' mentality. There is a mountain of academic writings and books which rightly point to American styles of fascism, just as fascism was different in Spain to Germany or Italy.

And The South Islands, saying some rule created by an obscure and otherwise irrelevant professor does not void valid points, moreover it points to your own inadequacies of answering debate.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, Godwin refers specifically to Nazism, which if you knew anything about political theory would realize is totally different to fascism. Fascism is very broad, but specifically it's traits are A) a cult of masculinity, b) anti-materialism/anti-modernism, c) national myths and conspiracy theories to replace objective study and d) militarism or the 'warrior' mentality. There is a mountain of academic writings and books which rightly point to American styles of fascism, just as fascism was different in Spain to Germany or Italy.

And The South Islands, saying some rule created by an obscure and otherwise irrelevant professor does not void valid points, moreover it points to your own inadequacies of answering debate.

No no, it was more about popular thought then real political theory. If I wanted a lesson in Fascism, I would have dug out my copy of Mein Kampf.

And, "answering debate"? Lulz. You yourself said that I (along with my countrymen) were stupid. I shall not waste your time attempting to engage in constructive conversation with someone who is my obvious superior.

I don't think we'll see a low voter turn-out, in fact I'm willing to bet we'll see one of the highest turnouts in awhile.

And it's not 'early', since voting is in a year, and there are alot of candidates, and alot of issues.


I personally like politics, and watch around 70% of politics related news and the Democratic debates.
None of the Republican ones, since I'll never vote for a Republican, especially Ron Paul, though thankfully he has no chance running as a Republican.

I don't think we'll see a low voter turn-out, in fact I'm willing to bet we'll see one of the highest turnouts in awhile.

And it's not 'early', since voting is in a year, and there are alot of candidates, and alot of issues.


I personally like politics, and watch around 70% of politics related news and the Democratic debates.
None of the Republican ones, since I'll never vote for a Republican, especially Ron Paul, though thankfully he has no chance running as a Republican.

At least you admit that you're biased, Thank you.