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I've been thinking. Is lunacy scientifically possible. I for one think it is because gravity effects life and activates stimuli, it does in turtles so that they can navigate back to their birthplace, gravity also tells many other organisms how to get to places without getting lost. Also animals and plants in space for some reason weren't healthy even after getting all the light, water, air, and nutrition they needed. Also astronauts needed to exercise more often up there than down here because the lack of gravity effected their health. So can it be possible that the way the moon is positioned during a full moon somehow causes gravitational changes which activate lunacy?

Discuss!

lunacy is very possible (can vouch for it lol) ... its just it used to be based on the moons cycle before mordertimes/doctors etc proved it was more than just something effected by the tides and the moon

the real question is do pets really suffer from mental issues when it goes from summer to winter and the days get shorter and they seem to get depressed like some humans :D


gah etc reread Q. lol ..... we have all other problems ... there has to be something out there that gets depressed/happy/excited/manic once a month (thats not a woman >.< XDDD)

I've been thinking. Is lunacy scientifically possible. I for one think it is because gravity effects life and activates stimuli, it does in turtles so that they can navigate back to their birthplace, gravity also tells many other organisms how to get to places without getting lost. Also animals and plants in space for some reason weren't healthy even after getting all the light, water, air, and nutrition they needed. Also astronauts needed to exercise more often up there than down here because the lack of gravity effected their health. So can it be possible that the way the moon is positioned during a full moon somehow causes gravitational changes which activate lunacy?

Discuss!

http://www.jal.cc.il.us/~mikolajsawicki/ex_tides.html#comments

This explains it better than I can.


Also, turtles and other organisms on this planet find their way home magnetically, not by gravity. Astronauts and plants and animals in space are subject to massive shifts in gravity, which accounts for their particular issues. As far as I know, however, these are all physical problems, and not psychological ones.

lunacy is very possible (can vouch for it lol) ... its just it used to be based on the moons cycle before mordertimes/doctors etc proved it was more than just something effected by the tides and the moon

the real question is do pets really suffer from mental issues when it goes from summer to winter and the days get shorter and they seem to get depressed like some humans :D


gah etc reread Q. lol ..... we have all other problems ... there has to be something out there that gets depressed/happy/excited/manic once a month (thats not a woman >.< XDDD)

Like cats? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0omjqLTZGU)

No the moon has no effect on humnas. It is a TINY shift in gravity. Astronauts go from 1g to 0g and since they hardly need to work to move in space they need to prevent muscle wasting so they need to exercise more. Gravity will not effect the mind in such tiny amounts. Gravity still wont probably even in large amounts
:headbang:

That might just be magnetic fields, sounds.. smells, feels.. taught.. or wisdom bred in. Probably a mixture.

Is craziness possible? Of course. Complicated it can be. I believe we as humans can get so far out there.. that science nor psychology can't even begin to touch it.. understand it... etc. I think the human mind is comparable to our universe...vast and full of shit we don't even know about.. and what we do know about.. we do not completely understand. But since we are here .. and are forced to deal with each other .. .. we can only do our best.. or worst.

No the moon has no effect on humnas. It is a TINY shift in gravity. Astronauts go from 1g to 0g and since they hardly need to work to move in space they need to prevent muscle wasting so they need to exercise more. Gravity will not effect the mind in such tiny amounts. Gravity still wont probably even in large amounts
:headbang:


Oh bull crap.. I do believe the moon has an effect. As do our solar system .. universe.. galaxy whatever..

But! this stuff people are talking about .. about the Mayans 2012 being the end of the world .. not true even by their code. (not that I'd ever listen to a man, no matter who, telling of a specific date) http://www.redrat.net/thoughts/prophets/

Eh. I recall reading that the change in gravity from morning to night is greater than the change from a new to a full moon. If that's true, then 'lunacy' doesn't quite make sense, unless people are more nuts in the late afternoon than in the morning as well.

We're about to go from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius.

And I find this fantastic. We are the few people .. ever... who get to see an Astrological Age change take place.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age

We're about to go from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius.

And I find this fantastic. We are the few people .. ever... who get to see an Astrological Age change take place.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age


Well, of course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3I1y3jHgxA

Well, of course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3I1y3jHgxA


lol .. Ya know .. I always wondered why people 40 years ago was talking about the Age of Aquaruis. Hell they should've known most of them would be dead. Good vid tho. haha.


edit: this was a stupid comment.... response.

cameroi rather enjoys all phases of each of lananara's moons. as for irraticness of behaivior, nothing that is not inconsiderate is consdiered irratic so it might be kind of hard to notice.

associating irratic behavior with phases of earths moon is something my sojourn on earth had never even heard of anyone claiming, let alone actually believing in, untill long past childhood and adolescence, and for the longest time just thought it was something midnight-glob-star-inquirerer came up with out of thin air.

so i guess that would mostly make it a "meh".

as for themnax' own mental state, there's a feeling of relief from depression when encountering mysteriousness, black cats, friday the 13ths, full and dark of moons and so on.

not walking under ladders on the other hand is simple common sense: someone might drop something on you, like hammers or cans of paint.

=^^=
.../\...

cameroi rather enjoys all phases of each of lananara's moons. as for irraticness of behaivior, nothing that is not inconsiderate is consdiered irratic so it might be kind of hard to notice.

associating irratic behavior with phases of earths moon is something my sojourn on earth had never even heard of anyone claiming, let alone actually believing in, untill long past childhood and adolescence, and for the longest time just thought it was something midnight-glob-star-inquirerer came up with out of thin air.

so i guess that would mostly make it a "meh".

as for themnax' own mental state, there's a feeling of relief from depression when encountering mysteriousness, black cats, friday the 13ths, full and dark of moons and so on.

not walking under ladders on the other hand is simple common sense: someone might drop something on you, like hammers or cans of paint.

=^^=
.../\...

You mean you've never heard of more births during a full moon or more deaths?

COnsider that the moon affects the tides.

Further consider that in some places, that effect is rather small; a few feet up or down. But during the Full Moon, due to it's alignment with the Earth and the Sun, that effect is magnified. Then consider that in some parts of the world, geography can magnify the effects of the tides. The Bay of Fundy is one such example. The tides cause the water to rise and fall by an almost unbelievable amount:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/54/20051208133207!Bay_of_Fundy.jpg

Now imagine that certain people, like certain geographies are more sensitive to the rise and fall of lunar gravity in much the same way. It's not much of a stretch, is it?


The moon is my friend. :)

I believe the Mayans were saying there will be a polar shift .. when the pices to aquarius happens. I haven't read up on polar shifts tho.. so don't know exactly what that would entail.. to decide whether it's possibly bs. Not to say I'd just believe what our generation has to say and totally dismiss theirs.. I'd hand in hand it. Weigh it I guess.

The danger of Lunacy is real and ever growing.

This is why I have joined CABUM (http://nwmail.washtenaw.cc.mi.us/~bwells/gdt200/cabum1.html), The Citizen's Association to Blow Up the Moon.

The Moon terrorizes our planet with Lunacy, Lycanthropy and relentlessly evil tides of destruction. It's time to strike back!

bull crap.. I do believe the moon has an effect. As do our solar system .. universe.. galaxy whatever..
I don't. Most of the claims about lunar effects on human behaviour seem to be based on tidal effects... "If the Moon can cause tides, think what it must do to us... we're made of water, etc etc etc". It's rubbish. Tidal effects in the world's large bodies of water arise as a result of a combination of the forces exerted on them by the rotation of the Earth and the position of the Earth relative to the Sun and the Moon at the given time. For this to have a similar effect on a human body that human would have to remain motionless, since any change in location on the planet or any rotation so that their body was suddenly facing a different way would completely change any effect that they experienced. There are loads of other reasons that should allow it to be discounted, but that one alone should be good enough for most. Seriously, it's a silly notion.

imagine that certain people, like certain geographies are more sensitive to the rise and fall of lunar gravity in much the same way. It's not much of a stretch, is it?
See above. Sorry.

We're about to go from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius.

And I find this fantastic. We are the few people .. ever... who get to see an Astrological Age change take place.
Meh, Astrology. It's been thoroughly debunked more often than any other pseudoscientific fad I'm aware of. There are countless papers published about how wrong it all is, and I see no real reason to go through it all again. Geoff Dean's paper (http://www.imprint.co.uk/pdf/Dean.pdf) is a good starting point, if anyone is interested.

You mean you've never heard of more births during a full moon or more deaths?
No, can't say that I have. I've seen and heard loads of apocryphal claims, and a few instances where confirmation bias leads to 'researchers' attributing relevance to coincidences, but nothing that I would consider conclusive. If you have any links to sources, I'd be interested to read them.
:)

Like cats? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0omjqLTZGU) What the hell is wrong with that cat?

...Meh, Astrology. It's been thoroughly debunked more often than any other pseudoscientific fad I'm aware of...


You're such a skeptic... you must be a Pisces.

You're such a skeptic... you must be a Pisces.
As a quick glance at my profile no doubt informed you, I am indeed what some people like to classify as a 'Pisces'... whatever the hell they honestly expect that to signify.

And yes, I'm a sceptic, and proud of it, but I'm always willing to concede that I am wrong if proved wrong. We call it science. :)

As a quick glance at my profile no doubt informed you, I am indeed what some people like to classify as a 'Pisces'... whatever the hell they honestly expect that to signify.

And yes, I'm a sceptic, and proud of it, but I'm always willing to concede that I am wrong if proved wrong. We call it science. :)

Keep in mind that I'm not suggesting tha everyone or even a majority of the population experiences some physiological effect due to tidal effect. In studying large groups of people over large groups of time, science has indicated that the moon as no statistical effect on large populations. But I'm referring to the occasional individual who, like the Bay of Fundy, may be particularly sensitive physiologically to tidal effect. Keep in mind that gravitation will have an influence on all matter and energy, but the effect of the moon on say, neural activity should be infinitesimal as compared to numerous other influences. Even geomagnetism and seismic activity would have stronger effect. But are there specific individuals who 'resonate' in much the same way as the Bay of Fundy? It really hasn't been studied thoroughly in such individuals, but the human body is filled with surprises. Like a piñata. :)

Keep in mind that I'm not suggesting tha everyone or even a majority of the population experiences some physiological effect due to tidal effect. In studying large groups of people over large groups of time, science has indicated that the moon as no statistical effect on large populations. But I'm referring to the occasional individual who, like the Bay of Fundy, may be particularly sensitive physiologically to tidal effect. Keep in mind that gravitation will have an influence on all matter and energy, but the effect of the moon on say, neural activity should be infinitesimal as compared to numerous other influences. Even geomagnetism and seismic activity would have stronger effect. But are there specific individuals who 'resonate' in much the same way as the Bay of Fundy? It really hasn't been studied thoroughly in such individuals, but the human body is filled with surprises. Like a pinata. :)

Something in myself is deeply frightened to know LG thinks of humans as piñatas.

I'm referring to the occasional individual who, like the Bay of Fundy, may be particularly sensitive physiologically to tidal effect. Keep in mind that gravitation will have an influence on all matter and energy, but the effect of the moon on say, neural activity should be infinitesimal as compared to numerous other influences. Even geomagnetism and seismic activity would have stronger effect. But are there specific individuals who 'resonate' in much the same way as the Bay of Fundy? It really hasn't been studied thoroughly in such individuals, but the human body is filled with surprises. Like a piñata.
A fair question. I wonder though... are you asking;
are there specific individuals who 'resonate' in much the same way as the Bay of Fundy?
or are you telling;
It really hasn't been studied thoroughly in such individuals
?

I'm of the opinion (and that's opinion, I make no claim to have knowledge on this fascinatingly esoteric sphere of enquiry) that there are not likely to be any individuals found who exhibit the sort of resonance you are talking about. This is once more because in order for such resonant effects to be felt the individual would have to be absolutely stationary with relation to the Earth, so that the forces from beyond were able to trigger the resonant effects.

As you noted, however, humans are indeed - as with piñatas - full of surprises, so I don't rule it out. :)

Keep in mind that I'm not suggesting tha everyone or even a majority of the population experiences some physiological effect due to tidal effect. In studying large groups of people over large groups of time, science has indicated that the moon as no statistical effect on large populations. But I'm referring to the occasional individual who, like the Bay of Fundy, may be particularly sensitive physiologically to tidal effect. Keep in mind that gravitation will have an influence on all matter and energy, but the effect of the moon on say, neural activity should be infinitesimal as compared to numerous other influences. Even geomagnetism and seismic activity would have stronger effect. But are there specific individuals who 'resonate' in much the same way as the Bay of Fundy? It really hasn't been studied thoroughly in such individuals, but the human body is filled with surprises. Like a piñata. :)

The thing is that tidal effect is caused by very large bodies of water being affected by unequal gravitational pull caused by extremely small shifts in gravity because the moon is closer to one side or the other of that body of water as the Earth rotates. A human is so small that the gravitational pull is always going to be equal all over the human. Thus no tidal shifts happen in humans, since the entirety of one's body is the same distance from the moon. We experience greater changes during the fall after we jump off a stair or when we speed up in our cars. So if that tiny, minute gravity shift from the moon caused lunacy, we would all be walking around like serial killer zombies all the time just from living our lives not confined to bed 24 hours a day.

Something in myself is deeply frightened to know LG thinks of humans as piñatas.

Don't you ever look at people dressed in bright colors and wonder if they're full of candy?

Or is it just me? :confused:

COnsider that the moon affects the tides.

Further consider that in some places, that effect is rather small; a few feet up or down. But during the Full Moon, due to it's alignment with the Earth and the Sun, that effect is magnified. Then consider that in some parts of the world, geography can magnify the effects of the tides. The Bay of Fundy is one such example. The tides cause the water to rise and fall by an almost unbelievable amount:

*insert image here*

Now imagine that certain people, like certain geographies are more sensitive to the rise and fall of lunar gravity in much the same way. It's not much of a stretch, is it?

The moon is my friend. :)

May not believe me, but I've been on that exact boat and I live about 40 mins from that spot. Its called Alma, and you can get great lobster and sticky buns there. Beautiful little spot, right beside Fundy Park.

The thing is that tidal effect is caused by very large bodies of water being affected by unequal gravitational pull caused by extremely small shifts in gravity because the moon is closer to one side or the other of that body of water as the Earth rotates. A human is so small that the gravitational pull is always going to be equal all over the human. Thus no tidal shifts happen in humans, since the entirety of one's body is the same distance from the moon. We experience greater changes during the fall after we jump off a stair or when we speed up in our cars. So if that tiny, minute gravity shift from the moon caused lunacy, we would all be walking around like serial killer zombies all the time just from living our lives not confined to bed 24 hours a day.What about changes to relative density of the atmosphere?

The density of the atmosphere must change when the moon is on one side of the Earth as to when it is on the other side. The atmosphere at ground level goes from being 2,000 km from the centre of gravity of the Earth and Moon to being 11,000 km from the centre of gravity. A shift of about 1.5 times the Earth's radius.

Don't you ever look at people dressed in bright colors and wonder if they're full of candy?

Or is it just me? :confused:I'm always full of sweets. People have commented on my ability to seemingly make chocolate and other sweets appear about my person from nowhere.

I don't where bright colours however. Perhaps you've been eyeing up the wrong people LG.

I'm always full of sweets. People have commented on my ability to seemingly make chocolate and other sweets appear about my person from nowhere.

I don't where bright colours however. Perhaps you've been eyeing up the wrong people LG.

Really.

Interesting.

*starts searching for a stick*

Really.

Interesting.

*starts searching for a stick**draws his candy cane sword and prepares to defend himself*

*draws his candy cane sword and prepares to defend himself*

I promise to make it quick. *brandishes stick*

I won't aim for the crotch. ... ... Well, maybe a little. :p

I promise to make it quick. *brandishes stick*

I won't aim for the crotch. ... ... Well, maybe a little. :p

:eek:

*calls in air support to carpet bomb LG with molten chocolate*

:eek:

*calls in air support to carpet bomb LG with molten chocolate*

*drowns in chocolate. dies happy*


((You know, I never thought I'd die like this. But I always hoped. :) ))

What about changes to relative density of the atmosphere?

The density of the atmosphere must change when the moon is on one side of the Earth as to when it is on the other side. The atmosphere at ground level goes from being 2,000 km from the centre of gravity of the Earth and Moon to being 11,000 km from the centre of gravity. A shift of about 1.5 times the Earth's radius.

I honestly have no idea... but I have to doubt it. Again, we all go through air pressure changes when we drive up to the mountains, or fly in a plane or simply live through a change in weather... common enough events that if minute air pressure changes caused by lunar gravity had any sort of psychological effects, we would all be raving madmen all the time.

*drowns in chocolate. dies happy*


((You know, I never thought I'd die like this. But I always hoped. :) ))

Well, now we have proof that God is dead. But he is also chocolate coated, so it makes mourning really hard to do. Perhaps we can best show our respects for our dead God by licking him... and a little nibbling... and...mmmm.... God....

Well, now we have proof that God is dead. But he is also chocolate coated, so it makes mourning really hard to do. Perhaps we can best show our respects for our dead God by licking him... and a little nibbling... and...mmmm.... God....
*bites hard on the chocolate*

Yum. Limited Edition Deity-flavored chocolate.

*bites hard on the chocolate*

Yum. Limited Edition Deity-flavored chocolate.

It makes the whole eucharist thing much more appealing...

'And God took a Hershey bar and said "this is my body..." and he took a cup of hot cocoa and said "this is my blood..."'

This is a religion I might be able to get behind.

It makes the whole eucharist thing much more appealing...

'And God took a Hershey bar and said "this is my body..." and he took a cup of hot cocoa and said "this is my blood..."'

This is a religion I might be able to get behind.
I would go to church every day if that was the case. Chocolate eucharist and chocolate wine... *drools*

Did you know that the spinning force of the earth makes gravity less powerful at the equator than at the poles. We calculated the difference in physics class, I think it was something like almost 3% less gravity at the equator than at the south pole.

Well, now we have proof that God is dead. But he is also chocolate coated, so it makes mourning really hard to do. Perhaps we can best show our respects for our dead God by licking him... and a little nibbling... and...mmmm.... God....

*bites hard on the chocolate*

Yum. Limited Edition Deity-flavored chocolate.

*resurrects* Yay! I'm back! Just one of the perks of being God. :)

Mmm Chocola... uh....

:eek:

Hey, where the fuck is my leg?!? :mad: