10 most dangerous organizations
Reported on C&L about some group called FamilySecurityMatters.org
The Ten MOST DANGEROUS Organizations in America– UPDATED
By: Nicole Belle on Thursday, October 25th, 2007 at 3:55 PM - PDT
Jane Hamsher found this little gem from FamilySecurityMatters.org.
What would you guess would be on the list? Blackwater? The KKK? The John Birch Society? Skinheads? Pfffft. Amateurs.
No, no, no…FSM takes “danger” to America very seriously: (click the link at your own peril, I’ve cited it here so you don’t have to)
10 ) Think Progress
9 ) Muslim Student Association
8 ) CodePINK
7 ) American Civil Liberties Union, National
6 ) Family Research Council
5 ) Center for American Progress
4 ) League of the South
3 ) MoveOn.org
2 ) Universities and Colleges
1 ) Media Matters for America
Um, “universities and colleges“??? Never mind the ridiculously transparent hatred for watchdog groups like Media Matters, they think that higher education is dangerous. Just definitive proof that being stupid and uneducated is valued among the authoritarian right. As much as this is mockable (and it is, make no mistake about it), it’s also so sad to think that the chasm between “right” and “left” (and I hate labels like that, the definitions are so ambiguous) look more and more unbridgeable.
UPDATED: MBH pointed out to me that it’s worth noting FSM’s advocating of George W. Bush as “President for Life”. The mind reels. That is, if they had a mind.
Frankly, I am surprised they only had one Muslim organization on there. I would have imagined CAIR being up there some where, for these type of fear mongers.
Sadly enough, I know of people in real life that actually believe this bullshiite.
Anyways, who would you pick as your countries most dangerous organizations/groups of people. For me it would look like so:
10)Liberals
9)Gays
8)Liberals
7)Abortionists
6)Gay liberals
5)Gay abortionists
4)Mickey Mouse Club
3)Mexicans immigrants
2)NSers
and for the number one spot....can i have a drum roll please????
-drum roll-
1) The Jews.
:rolleyes::p
Nambla
Now, what is wrong with a little man-boy action?
Ok, im kidding. I agree with you. Bad group :(
Jeruselem
26-10-2007, 17:13
The kids of FSM members are obviously going be very edumicated if they don't go college :p
Vectrova
26-10-2007, 17:13
The obviously nonexistent, fictional, and most definitely not real Illuminati.
Greater Trostia
26-10-2007, 17:14
What's funny is that I can say the most dangerous organizations are any ones with Jews, Muslims or Non-Whites in them... that liberal political groups (of any kind), including all universities and colleges, are just breeding grounds for insurrection against the Homeland...
But what's sad is that there is 100% chance someone on this forum will actually agree with me when I do.
Wilgrove
26-10-2007, 17:14
Wow, that is a pathetic list.
I would put the KKK, Neo-Nazis, NAMBLA, and the United States Government on the list. :D
I can kinda see League of the South, since they are a Nationalist Separatist group who wants to try to re-make the Southern Republic.
What's funny is that I can say the most dangerous organizations are any ones with Jews, Muslims or Non-Whites in them... that liberal political groups (of any kind), including all universities and colleges, are just breeding grounds for insurrection against the Homeland...
But what's sad is that there is 100% chance someone on this forum will actually agree with me when I do.
As I said, I know people IRL that think that way. Its confusing to me, because I believe in God. But I wonder, why would God make such stupid people?
Wilgrove
26-10-2007, 17:20
As I said, I know people IRL that think that way. Its confusing to me, because I believe in God. But I wonder, why would God make such stupid people?
To make us feel better about ourselves, and to give us something to make fun of?
Dumb Ideologies
26-10-2007, 17:32
I'd say the Church is pretty much the most dangerous organization in a democracy. When you take the possibility of tyranny of majority in any democracy, and then add in a potentially powerful group who don't have a great record for supporting the rights of minorities, I think there is a quite big risk of things rapidly turning to shit!
The above statement is not intended to refer to any North American nations. No, really :p
RLI Rides Again
26-10-2007, 17:34
10)Liberals
9)Gays
8)Liberals
7)Abortionists
6)Gay liberals
5)Gay abortionists
4)Mickey Mouse Club
3)Mexicans immigrants
2)NSers
and for the number one spot....can i have a drum roll please????
-drum roll-
1) The Jews.
:rolleyes::p
This is a travesty! Why aren't Atheists on the list? How many babies do we have to eat before people notice us?
and for the number one spot....can i have a drum roll please????
-drum roll-
1) The Jews.
:rolleyes::p
Historically theres nothing that scares the shit out of the right more than the educated liberal Jew. Nixon, for instance was obsessed with them.
10) The Communists
9) The Communists
8) The Communists
7) The Neo-Nazis
6)The Neo-Communists
5) The Nazi-Communists
4) The Communist-Nazis
3) The Neo-Communist-Nazis
2) The Neo-Nazi-Communists
1) The Evil, Destructive and Paranoid Neo-Agent-Nazi-Communist-Robot-Alien-M00zlim-Christian-Atheist-Jew-things.
Dumb Ideologies
26-10-2007, 17:47
This is a travesty! Why aren't Atheists on the list? How many babies do we have to eat before people notice us?
47. Each. I've only got 3 more before I've fulfilled my share, and quite frankly I find it highly frustrating that so many others are failing to fulfill their duties.
2) The Neo-Nazi-Communists
the correct term is Neo-communazi.
The blessed Chris
26-10-2007, 17:58
MENSA. Think about it; its a club where the intelligent go to avoid the barbs of the stupid...the damage MENSA could do is huge:D
Newer Burmecia
26-10-2007, 18:01
MENSA. Think about it; its a club where the intelligent go to avoid the barbs of the stupid...the damage MENSA could do is huge:D
I like your thinking.
RLI Rides Again
26-10-2007, 18:02
47. Each. I've only got 3 more before I've fulfilled my share, and quite frankly I find it highly frustrating that so many others are failing to fulfill their duties.
So true. Unfortunately I didn't realise we were supposed to be keeping count so I might have to start again from the beginning. :(
Ashmoria
26-10-2007, 18:03
i guess i could make a list of conservative organizations that i dislike but really, there ARE no dangerous organizations in the US. (outside of a few criminal organizations but i dont think they count for the purposes of this thread)
just as freedom of speech isnt dangerous, neither is freedom of association.
Dumb Ideologies
26-10-2007, 18:07
So true. Unfortunately I didn't realise we were supposed to be keeping count so I might have to start again from the beginning. :(
Inadequate excuse. The Atheist Conspiracy meets regularly, and informs all members promptly and efficiently of decisions on regulations. But I expect you are just being modest, and don't want to boast that you are going to exceed our high standards.
Yootopia
26-10-2007, 18:09
Neochristoislamohomocommufemizionazis are pretty high on my list. I dunno about yours.
1. Al-Qaeda in America (the actual Al-Qaeda cells)
2. Aryan Nation
3. KKK
4. American Nazi Party
5...
Eh, just fill the remaining slots with white supremacist organizations. Other groups may be dangerous, but they aren't plotting the slaughter of millions of Americans.
And I wouldn't put NAMBLA on any list of dangerous organizations. NAMBLA barely even exists anymore. A gang of schoolyard bullies have more potential to cause harm than NAMBLA.
Theres this bunch in America that they refer to in code....the GOP. They seem to be at the root of much evil......
The obviously nonexistent, fictional, and most definitely not real Illuminati.
Ugh. I hate when ISKCON (the Hare Krishnas) whine about the Illuminati just because they can't chant at 3:00 AM.
Ordo Drakul
26-10-2007, 20:37
fnord-the most dangerous organization in America is Congress-fnord
CthulhuFhtagn
26-10-2007, 20:40
The Church of Scientology.
Dexlysia
26-10-2007, 21:00
4. Democrats
3. Republicans
2. nonvoters
1. voters
0. the shadow government
The obviously nonexistent, fictional, and most definitely not real Illuminati.
Fnord!
the correct term is Neo-communazi.
No, that´s another group. Do not confuse them with each other.
This is a travesty! Why aren't Atheists on the list? How many babies do we have to eat before people notice us?
And pagans! We're supposed to be responsible for 9/11 (except for the people who actually, you know, hijacked the planes)! Because we make god hate America. How we do this, I don't know, but Jehovah and I don't tend to get along on the best of days, SO...
I disapprove of their use of the acronym 'FSM'.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
26-10-2007, 21:31
The KKK are hardly dangerous. Maybe back in the 20's when they had some level of public support, but these days they're an anachronism like monocles or disco. Except slightly more likely to ruin your lawn.
Greater Trostia
26-10-2007, 21:39
The KKK are hardly dangerous. Maybe back in the 20's when they had some level of public support, but these days they're an anachronism like monocles or disco. Except slightly more likely to ruin your lawn.
Like disco, the KKK is anachronistic but still dangerous.
Free Socialist Allies
26-10-2007, 21:43
10. Falangists
9. Pro-lifers
8. Neo-nazis
7. Zionists
6. Scientologists
5. Mormons
4. "The war on drugs"
3. Radical Muslims
2. Neoconservatives
1. Evangelical Christians
OceanDrive2
26-10-2007, 22:11
10 ) Think Progress
9 ) Muslim Student Association
8 ) CodePINK
7 ) American Civil Liberties Union, National
6 ) Family Research Council
5 ) Center for American Progress
4 ) League of the South
3 ) MoveOn.org
2 ) Universities and Colleges
1 ) Media Matters for America
1) CIA
also the Mafia should be on the top 10
New Limacon
26-10-2007, 22:19
10. Falangists
9. Pro-lifers
8. Neo-nazis
7. Zionists
6. Scientologists
5. Mormons
4. "The war on drugs"
3. Radical Muslims
2. Neoconservatives
1. Evangelical Christians
Mormons are dangerous? How so?
Saige Dragon
26-10-2007, 22:20
Me. That's right, I'm organized and fucking dangerous.
Aschenhyrst
26-10-2007, 22:24
My list of the most dangerous organizations is much smaller:
Handgun Control, Inc.
PeTA
The Liberal Media
ACLU
Rainbow/Push Coaliton
United Nations
and
The Democratic Party of the United States.
All of these groups should have their members hunted down like Al-Qaida and brought to justice for the crimes they have commited against the civilized world.
OceanDrive2
26-10-2007, 22:27
Mormons are dangerous? How so?they take too many wives.. leave nothing for me :D
Swilatia
26-10-2007, 22:32
My list of the most dangerous organizations is much smaller:
Handgun Control, Inc.
PeTA
The Liberal Media
ACLU
Rainbow/Push Coaliton
United Nations
and
The Democratic Party of the United States.
All of these groups should have their members hunted down like Al-Qaida and brought to justice for the crimes they have commited against the civilized world.
I fail to see how any of these oganisations (execpt maybe PETA) are a threat to civilisation.
New Manvir
26-10-2007, 22:40
Crab People...now that thats out of the way...
#1 should be the Military-Industrial Complex...If I can pick that...
Conserative Morality
26-10-2007, 22:48
10.Republicans
9.Democrats
8.Illumanti
7.Our own government
6.Nazis
5.Communists
4.REAL terrorist cells,not imagined ones
3.CIA
2.Democratic-Republican Communistic Nazi Terrorist CIA Agent Secret Illumanti Senators
1.Rascist Facist Commies(I know quite a few!)
Kamsaki-Myu
26-10-2007, 23:04
10) The American Enterprise institute (would be higher on the rankings if not for the fact that it hasn't done an awful lot lately beyond lobbying the government)
9) The US Government and Armed Forces
8) The Russian Secret Service
7) The American Christian Church
6) The PNAC
5) "Al Qaeda" (though you can't really call it an organisation as such)
4) The Chinese Military
3) News Corporation
2) PMCs
...
1) Anonymous
*Van explodes*
Tape worm sandwiches
26-10-2007, 23:34
whatever
code pink is da bomb.
did you see that women waving "blood" painted hands in Condi's face.
Condi was po'd.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/24/4789/
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2460451820071024
Tape worm sandwiches
26-10-2007, 23:37
10) The American Enterprise institute (would be higher on the rankings if not for the fact that it hasn't done an awful lot lately beyond lobbying the government)
9) The US Government and Armed Forces
8) The Russian Secret Service
7) The American Christian Church
6) The PNAC
5) "Al Qaeda" (though you can't really call it an organisation as such)
4) The Chinese Military
3) News Corporation
2) PMCs
...
1) Anonymous
*Van explodes*
American Enterprise Institute?
You should check out this book
"The Elite Consensus" (http://www.poclad.org/elite.cfm)
it covers all the so-called "think-tanks" and a bunch of other corporate front groups.
Ultraviolent Radiation
27-10-2007, 00:21
Reported on C&L about some group called FamilySecurityMatters.org
Where do you get these people? Do you breed these mad creatures in secret labs and release them into the American wilderness?
Kuehneltland
27-10-2007, 00:27
The most dangerous (in no particular order) organizations: Republican Party, Democratic Party, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bildebergers, the Project for a New American Century, Washington Office on Latin America, Institute for Policy Studies, and NAMBLA, as well as every racist group out there, including, but not limited to, the Ku Klux Klan, Council of Conservative Citizens, Nation of Islam, etc. etc. (Yes, I know that's more than 10)
Void Templar
27-10-2007, 00:31
Kangaroos.
Wilgrove
27-10-2007, 01:50
whatever
code pink is da bomb.
did you see that women waving "blood" painted hands in Condi's face.
Condi was po'd.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/24/4789/
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2460451820071024
Wow, I'm surprised she's able to get that close, you'd think Condi would have security personal or something. Does the Secret Service only cover the President?
Thracedon
27-10-2007, 02:40
Jesus, and everyone and everything assosiated with him
Pacificville
27-10-2007, 02:52
Not sure if this has been posted, but:
Family Security Matters Advisers Have Ties To Their Own ‘Most Dangerous’ Organizations In America (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/26/family-security-matters/)
Also, lol @ FSM having the same acronym as Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Egg and chips
27-10-2007, 03:55
47. Each. I've only got 3 more before I've fulfilled my share, and quite frankly I find it highly frustrating that so many others are failing to fulfill their duties.
WTF? You mean I should have stopped 103 ago?
Oh well, I'm bringing the average up!
Seangoli
27-10-2007, 04:38
Inadequate excuse. The Atheist Conspiracy meets regularly, and informs all members promptly and efficiently of decisions on regulations. But I expect you are just being modest, and don't want to boast that you are going to exceed our high standards.
As a devout Agnost, I must say I deplore your baby eating tactics.
Now, kittens on the other hand are an entirely different story altogether.
Eureka Australis
27-10-2007, 05:03
1. Aipac
Reported on C&L about some group called FamilySecurityMatters.org
Frankly, I am surprised they only had one Muslim organization on there. I would have imagined CAIR being up there some where, for these type of fear mongers.
Sadly enough, I know of people in real life that actually believe this bullshiite.
Anyways, who would you pick as your countries most dangerous organizations/groups of people. For me it would look like so:
10)Liberals
9)Gays
8)Liberals
7)Abortionists
6)Gay liberals
5)Gay abortionists
4)Mickey Mouse Club
3)Mexicans immigrants
2)NSers
and for the number one spot....can i have a drum roll please????
-drum roll-
1) The Jews.
:rolleyes::p
Historically theres nothing that scares the shit out of the right more than the educated liberal Jew. Nixon, for instance was obsessed with them.
Actually that is the muslims department. AH let's not forget about hitler the athiest.
10. Falangists
9. Pro-lifers
8. Neo-nazis
7. Zionists
6. Scientologists
5. Mormons
4. "The war on drugs"
3. Radical Muslims
2. Neoconservatives
1. Evangelical Christians
So non-violent people who belive that jesus is God are dangerous more than people who blow themselfs up to kill civilians? Some one has taken their idiot pill today.
Kuehneltland
27-10-2007, 05:58
Actually that is the muslims department. AH let's not forget about hitler the athiest.
Actually, Hitler was a pagan/occultist.
#1: the executive branch of the federal u.s. government (there's really nothing else currently on planet earth that even comes close!)
everyone else in no particular order.
probably p.n.a.c.,
the rand corporation,
the heritage foundation,
protestant christianity (ok, there's a few exceptions in there, but they ARE EXCEPTIONS),
the oil and automotive industry
corporate media
any sort of racial or religeous 'supremist' organizations
(espcially of the w.a.s.p. persuasion, but by no means limited thereto)
most of talk radio (with the only probable exceptions being on pacifica and 'the indies')
=^^=
.../\...
Neo-Nazis. Firsy Choice by far. Americans Second.
:p
I disapprove of their use of the acronym 'FSM'.
What's wrong with the Federated States of Micronesia? This Micronesian-bashing has got to stop! :p
THE LOST PLANET
27-10-2007, 15:12
Cool, I actually belong to more than one of the organizations on FamilySecurityMatters most dangerous list...
I must be a bad ass dangerous person...
10. Islamo Facists
9. Christian Facists
8. Al Gore
7. China's Government
6. The U.S. Congress
5. The EU
4. The AARP
3. The IRS
2. The Russian Mafia
1...The U.S. Army (not the navy or the airforce)
I'm a member of five of the organizations mentioned earlier:
Voters
Jews
Zionists
NSers
Universities
1.Bankers
2.Government (any type that could be controlled by outside forces...uhm)
3.Jews (sorry guys)
4.Government....doh, I meant "Terrorists" hehe, typo
5.Really, really, really, really, really rich white guys. ~shivers~
6.The masses lollolololoolloloolzllzoozl!!!!!!one!!1!11!!!! jk
7.Current US Administration
8.The Goddamn Media
9.Churches of any kind...amen
10.UltraSecretCovertUndergroundSubversiveCoercingParanormalMindcontrollingCIAFBINSAATFPoliceAgentsCo nspiringtotakeovertheWORLD. yup hate those guys
Forgot to add FEMA
11. Zealots of any kind
10. Zealots of any kind with an IQ between 50 & 80
9. Religious zealots
8. Religious zealots with an IQ between 50 & 80
7. Americans
6. Americans with an IQ between 50 & 80
5. American voters
4. American voters who don't know anything about politics
3. American voters with an IQ between 50 & 80
2. American voters with an IQ between 50 & 80 who don't know anything about politics
1. Current US Government.
Edit: Dangerous to who specifically anyway?
Third Spanish States
28-10-2007, 03:12
Any organization that has control over significant numbers nuclear, chemical or biological ICBMs is dangerous and a threat to the survival of mankind.
Andrew Bennett
28-10-2007, 04:08
It's remarkably difficult to tell the difference between people who are posting lists tongue-in-cheek and people who are taking this seriously.
Layarteb
28-10-2007, 04:17
Nambla
Why that's legal is beyond me!
Wilgrove
28-10-2007, 04:21
Why that's legal is beyond me!
They're not, why else would they be hosting their website on an off shore server?
Eureka Australis
28-10-2007, 04:26
The USA is a dangerous organization, I mean think of the idea: Giving nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in the world to a bunch of crazy Christian fascists with a collective IQ of 0.2, it's like your 10 year old son finding your handgun.
Infinite Revolution
28-10-2007, 04:30
surely the US Government should be on there somewhere, no.1 i'd have said.
Nouvelle Wallonochie
28-10-2007, 04:34
They're not, why else would they be hosting their website on an off shore server?
I'm sure there's any number of reasons. NAMBLA still legally exists in the US, although according to the Wiki it's largely fallen apart in recent years. Not through government action, but through the general loathing of humanity in general.
Free Socialist Allies
28-10-2007, 04:36
10. Islamo Facists
9. Christian Facists
8. Al Gore
7. China's Government
6. The U.S. Congress
5. The EU
4. The AARP
3. The IRS
2. The Russian Mafia
1...The U.S. Army (not the navy or the airforce)
Fascism is nationalism.
Religious fanaticism /= fascism.
Al-Queda is not loyal to Iran or Saudi Arabia or any specific nation, therefore they are not fascists and therefore "Islamofascist" is only correct in the minds of dumb rednecks who watch Faux News.
Free Socialist Allies
28-10-2007, 04:41
Mormons are dangerous? How so?
It's a totalitarian organization that tries to control every aspect of their members life. And one of them is a conservative jackass attempting to be our president.
And I'm quite interested, why did you ask me what makes Mormons dangerous but didn't ask why Scientologists are dangerous?
Which means either you have a double standard or are a Mormon. Either way that takes away respect.
[NS]Click Stand
28-10-2007, 04:50
they take too many wives.. leave nothing for me :D
And watch out for immigrant mormons. They take your jobs and your wives.
Verdigroth
28-10-2007, 10:56
MENSA. Think about it; its a club where the intelligent go to avoid the barbs of the stupid...the damage MENSA could do is huge:D
Mensa is too smart to fly above the radar...anyone who draws attention to them is not worthy of being in them...kinda like the masons.
Yossarian Lives
28-10-2007, 11:39
Not Illuminatis, the next best thing - The Bilderberg Group.
Longhaul
28-10-2007, 11:51
It's remarkably difficult to tell the difference between people who are posting lists tongue-in-cheek and people who are taking this seriously.
Telling, isn't it ;)
Rhursbourg
28-10-2007, 12:17
The Mothers Union a bunch of old ladies having secret meetings
Edwinasia
29-10-2007, 07:57
Just humans.
We have to destroy all of them.
Edwinasia
29-10-2007, 08:48
MENSA. Think about it; its a club where the intelligent go to avoid the barbs of the stupid...the damage MENSA could do is huge:D
MENSA members aren't intelligent.
It are just people that scored well at a rather easy IQ test.
It's a bunch of arrogant people, knowing sh*t about anything.
InGen Bioengineering
29-10-2007, 09:10
Just humans.
We have to destroy all of them.
Who do we start with? Any volunteers? ;)
Edwinasia
29-10-2007, 09:15
Who do we start with? Any volunteers? ;)
We can start with you.
InGen Bioengineering
29-10-2007, 09:16
We can start with you.
:eek:
BackwoodsSquatches
29-10-2007, 09:32
The Boy Scouts of America.
Blackwater USA.
Haliburton.
Edwinasia
29-10-2007, 09:52
Et voila. I did a pre-test at Mensa. There is 95% chance that they will accept my membership.
And I'm dumber than dumb.
It says a lot about f*cking Mensa.
I did the test at:
http://www.mensa.be/cgi-bin/preTest/preTest_v3.cgi?lang=nl
But I assume that Americans can do an even easier pre-test at:
http://www.mensa.org/
Reported on C&L about some group called FamilySecurityMatters.org
Frankly, I am surprised they only had one Muslim organization on there. I would have imagined CAIR being up there some where, for these type of fear mongers.
Sadly enough, I know of people in real life that actually believe this bullshiite.
Anyways, who would you pick as your countries most dangerous organizations/groups of people. For me it would look like so:
10)Liberals
9)Gays
8)Liberals
7)Abortionists
6)Gay liberals
5)Gay abortionists
4)Mickey Mouse Club
3)Mexicans immigrants
2)NSers
and for the number one spot....can i have a drum roll please????
-drum roll-
1) The Jews.
:rolleyes::p
I think it would be something more like:
10. The Carlisle Group
09.The Heritage Foundation
08. The American Center for Public Policy Research
07. TRMPAC
06. Project for a New American Century
05. American Enterprise Institute
04. The Manhattan Institute
03. The Melon-Scafe Family
02. The Bush Family
01. The Republican Party
Eureka Australis
29-10-2007, 11:39
Hey, some of those websites listed are very good, I think it ironic they are all mostly devoted to exposing the lies and deception of the mouth-frothing Fauxite conservanazi gang.
Actually, Hitler was a pagan/occultist.
No. He was a Christian. Yes, he had occult ideas, but they were in a Christian worldview. He wanted to find the Holy Grail. That's Christian/Occult, not pagan.
Yes, he liked Wagner, but that's like saying that Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer) is a demonologist.
Hey, some of those websites listed are very good, I think it ironic they are all mostly devoted to exposing the lies and deception of the mouth-frothing Fauxite conservanazi gang.
That's hardly ironic. It's exactly what one would expect.
However I did laugh when I saw that the number one most dangerous group was Media Matters. A group that does nothing more than record and play back what Conservatives say. Apparently, the most awful thing you can do to a conservative politician is let voters know what they are voting for.
Aschenhyrst
29-10-2007, 22:42
I fail to see how any of these oganisations (execpt maybe PETA) are a threat to civilisation.
They are a threat in my view because I lean as far or farther right than the groups I mentioned lean to the left. The American nation ran fine until a bunch of leftist (i.e. pro-solcialists) groups began crying than everything this nation has done since its inception is wrong in one way or another. Everyone is intitled to their opinion, this right was guaranteed by the blood shed by our founders (one of my ancestors among them), but I am sick to death of the in-your-face approach they use. I don`t think the way they do, I`m not going to take up their causes and if one to were come to me in person and act like they do I`d be glad to show them how my foot would fit squarely in their ass. The drawback is as they become more radical in their views, I become more entrenched in mine. Someones got to give and its not me.