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Well, I'm surprised that this hasn't been posted yet. If it has.. Well, sorry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7062479.stm

From what I understand, this is a pretty big deal in the good ol' USA, so what are your thoughts?

Personally, I think it's a good idea, and the talk of encouragement of promiscuity is tripe.

It's a good idea, and I don't think it has anything to do with promiscuity. I may be thinking of the wrong thing, but I thought this virus could develop even between couples who have only ever slept with each other.

One can never be immune to too many diseases.

You're completely wrong, it's not a good idea. It's a bloody fantastic idea.

Less cancer = More Fun Times.

One can never be immune to too many diseases.

Human species 'may split in two'

There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems. Preventing deaths would also help to preserve the genetic defects that cause cancer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm

;)

Found the problem...
"Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge"...
wtf is an evolutionary theorist... synonym for crackpipe with a theory i guess.

The ironies here are almost sweet enough to make the world implode on itself.

Found the problem...
"Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge"...
wtf is an evolutionary theorist... synonym for crackpipe with a theory i guess.

The ironies here are almost sweet enough to make the world implode on itself.

Pardon?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm

;)

Psh, how does making yourself immune to things harm your immune system?

It seems like it'd be good for other people, but I don't need it and it'd just be an unneccessary waste of money for me.

It seems like it'd be good for other people, but I don't need it and it'd just be an unneccessary waste of money for me.
Aye, well if I was you, I'd get it on the off chance that you turn out to be attracted to people later in life ;)

I think the HPV vaccine is an excellent idea. If I wasn't (a) already married and (b) past the recommended age, I'd get it myself.

Barring some unforeseen complication that comes out before then, any daughters I have will be getting it as soon as they can.

Aye, well if I was you, I'd get it on the off chance that you turn out to be attracted to people later in life ;)

Indeed, you can't be too careful.

Aye, well if I was you, I'd get it on the off chance that you turn out to be attracted to people later in life ;)

That doesn't seem likely at all.

Psh, how does making yourself immune to things harm your immune system?

Allergies.

When your immune system is all prepped up with nothing to do, your body ends up fighting stuff that's not harmful.


As for this vaccination, I'm rather ambivalent...Though, from an equality perspective I'm slightly annoyed about the press and media coverage almost exclusively female cancers get relative to male cancers.

Allergies.

When your immune system is all prepped up with nothing to do, your body ends up fighting stuff that's not harmful.


As for this vaccination, I'm rather ambivalent...Though, from an equality perspective I'm slightly annoyed about the press and media coverage almost exclusively female cancers get relative to male cancers.

There's no evidence to support that really. Pretty much all auto-immune diseases have unknown causes.

I believe immunizations are good, and help prevent needless deaths, what people are afraid of with this new "pill-popping" age that people will be too dependent on finding a "cure-all" for their diseases and problems (like when penicillin was discovered and the gradual resistance of bacteria to it). Rather than let their body take its natural course when you get a cold, going to the doctor and getting medication has become the norm. (but there's really not much this can do except alleve the symptoms.)

This vaccine will help prevent the people who especially are at risk for this disease. Though modern vaccines are safe and effective, they are not perfect. Some people who may have been vaccinated may still suffer adverse effects from it, though the benefits do outweigh the negatives. There might be a morbidity rate that will be evidence to those who oppose getting the vaccine, but the ratio might be too insignificant to be scientifically correct.

The promiscuity thing, there's more than one STD that can be transmitted, HPV is just one very, very serious one. I wish I was younger so that I could get it.

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/immunizations

There's no evidence to support that really. Pretty much all auto-immune diseases have unknown causes.

True.

I still *personally* think vaccinations and disinfectants leading to a "free ride" for a highly tuned immune system is one of the causes for the explosion of allergies.

Secondly, there's no realistic way to study the effect of vaccinations to prevalency of allergies in Western countries due to the simple fact that almost everyone, including moi, is vaccinated.

I'm personally going to wait a couple of years before getting the vaccine. It's new here in the US and I'd rather wait until it's past its trial run. Also, make sure you keep up with the news about the vaccine. There has been reports of girls getting very sick in Wisconsin from it (I heard it from a nurse who works there).

Well, I'm surprised that this hasn't been posted yet. If it has.. Well, sorry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7062479.stm

From what I understand, this is a pretty big deal in the good ol' USA, so what are your thoughts?

Personally, I think it's a good idea, and the talk of encouragement of promiscuity is tripe.

My sister-in-law was talking about this at the weekend... making exactly the sorts of 'encourages promiscuity' arguments you'd expect, and talking about how her daughter won't be getting it.

Apparently, my sister in law thinks sexually transmitted diseases are sufficiently polite that they'll only transfer if there is (truly) consensual sex....

True.

I still *personally* think vaccinations and disinfectants leading to a "free ride" for a highly tuned immune system is one of the causes for the explosion of allergies.

Secondly, there's no realistic way to study the effect of vaccinations to prevalency of allergies in Western countries due to the simple fact that almost everyone, including moi, is vaccinated.

Living in a plastic bubble certainly isn't good for you.

That said, I used to play in the dirt as a child and still developed allergies and an auto-immune disease.

It's most likely genetic.

Pardon?

In reference to an economist being tauted as an 'evolutionary theorist'. Evolutionary theorist is just a weasel expression for 'someone who has a random opinion about evolution', and is not the same as 'evolutionary biologist', though the journo wanted to make the impression that an 'expert' was pushing the theory.

As for the world imploding, well, I found many things humorously satisfying about that article ;)

I am utterly and completely opposed to this vacination, as well as all the work being done in finding treatments and cures for other sexually transmitted diseases that is currently being done. The only way to make sure people realize that sex is only(!) to be done for the sole purpose of procreation is to stop removing the threat of death and horrible disease that comes from misunderstanding the only ethical reason to have sex.

Think of the children!

I have an immunology major, n there's many things that cause autoimmunity and allergy. I have not seen any evidence, nor any presented here, to suggest that immunisation correlates with an increase in these conditions. Even if there was a slight correlation, keep in mind that 1 in 20 infected with polio will die and 1 in 2 will be paralysed, whereas <1% develop diarrhoea and 1 in 2.5 million develop paralysis. Also remember that autoimmunity and allergy existed prior to 80-odd years ago when we started getting immunizations.

It's also not strictly true that the immune system starts attacking the body because it's got nothing better to do. One THEORY that we have is not having enough of the right kinds of immune responses skews it excessively towards the Th2 inflammatory pathways when it DOES get stimulated, but again this has nothing to do with vaccination. Vaccinations typically utilise the Th1 pathway and CD8+ T cells which are non-allergic, even though there are many, many different strategies for vaccination.

On the other hand, I do not advocate the pill-popping culture for every little annoyance we have. Immunisation is, however, a different thing altogether.

Some have expressed concerns that providing a jab to protect against a sexually transmitted infection to children at a young age might encourage promiscuity.
I'm sure the only thing previously holding England's 13yr-old girls back from indulging in promiscuity, debauchery and hedonism was the thought that they might get cervical cancer 30 years down the track.

I am utterly and completely opposed to this vacination, as well as all the work being done in finding treatments and cures for other sexually transmitted diseases that is currently being done. The only way to make sure people realize that sex is only(!) to be done for the sole purpose of procreation is to stop removing the threat of death and horrible disease that comes from misunderstanding the only ethical reason to have sex.
In your opinion. Which is wrong. Because it Just Is.
Think of the children!
Yes, we are.

"Sorry, your mum died of cervical cancer"
":("