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So on my way to Statistic (a class that I hate) I was listening to the radio and they were talking about how the people of San Diego are held up in Qualcomm Stadium, those who have been evacuated from their homes due to the fire. Anyways the host started making comparison from the evacuatee's from Qualcomm Stadium to the Super Dome in New Orleans. Apparently in the Qualcomm Stadium the people are actually being civil, helping each other out, being calm, not shooting at helicopters from the roof top. Now compare this to the scene of the Super dome after Katrina where there was reports of violence, rape, robbery, etc. Now assuming both reports are true why do you think there are such contrast to the two situations?

One word: Education

From what I've heard, the entire wildfire evacuation has been the anti-Katrina. For starters, New Orleans was threatened by vast amounts of water, while fire is looming over San Diego. But the handling of it is different, too. An automated telephone message told everyone in danger to get out with time to spare, so there wasn't a huge rush or many left behind. The city, county, and state authorities were working together, not separately. Basically, the way an emergency situation is supposed to be handled is the way this one is being handled.

In San Diego, they aren't trapped in the same building 24/7. They can leave and go shopping, get lunch..

In New Orleans, they were all black, and you know how those fucking blackies act in groups. LA Riots, anyone?










.. not really.. In New Orleans, there were a lot of casualties, desperation, and no answers. People can go a little crazy if they've just lost their house and are trapped in hell.

Why couldn't they put them in the Angel's stadium? I mean, they're certainly not using it.

A guide to making a stadium a safe refugee place.

Step 1: DO NOT release prisoners into the stadium to freely roam among the civilian population.

Aside from that New Orleans is not exactly known for its low crime rate and safe friendly environment.

Despite the planned use of the Superdome as an evacuation center, government officials at the local, state and federal level came under criticism for poor planning and preparation. On August 28, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs (meals ready to eat), enough to supply 15,000 people for three days. There was no water purification equipment on site, no chemical toilets, no anti-biotics and no anti-diarrheals stored for a crisis. There were no designated medical staff at work in the evacuation center. There was no established sick bay within the Superdome, and there were very few cots available that hadn't been brought in by evacuees. The mayor of New Orleans had, in fact, stated that as a "refuge of last resort," only limited food, water, and supplies would be provided. Residents who evacuated to the Superdome were warned to bring their own supplies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Superdome


Bands belted out rock 'n' roll, lavish buffets served gourmet entrees, and massage therapists helped relieve the stress for those forced to flee their homes because of wildfires.

"The people are happy. They have everything here," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared Monday night after his second Qualcomm tour.

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.. not really.. In New Orleans, there were a lot of casualties, desperation, and no answers. People can go a little crazy if they've just lost their house and are trapped in hell.


They had 5 days to get the hell out. Only the stupid stuck around.

They had 5 days to get the hell out. Only the stupid stuck around.

How were they to know they weren't well protected?

I am sure that the demographics of the two areas in relation to the relief efforts of the areas will be brought many times in the near future.

How do you guys think that northern San Diego county compares with the Lower Ninth Ward economically and racially?

How were they to know they weren't well protected?

Maybe if they were to read the local newspaper for the past 35 years telling them that NO would be fucked if a hurricane hit it directly. But on second thought you would have to be literate to be able to read the newspaper.

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The whole of Louisiana has an issue and these people just were the tip of it.

I am sure that the demographics of the two areas in relation to the relief efforts of the areas will be brought many times in the near future.

How do you guys think that northern San Diego county compares with the Lower Ninth Ward economically and racially?

Vastly more money was and will be spent on Katrina then ever will be spent on this wildfire.


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Just by scanning the net it seems the federal bill is well over 100 billion for Katrina. That does not include the private donations and insurance co. cost

Vastly more money was and will be spent on Kitrina then ever will be spent on this wildfire.

That's not the issue is it?

It is rather easy to keep a friendly attitude about a disaster when you can drive your Hummer 2 to watch concerts at the relief site and collect your insurance check when it is all over.

Know a person's situation before you begin to applaud their benevolence.

They had 5 days to get the hell out. Only the stupid stuck around.
And, pray tell, how were the ones lacking transportation supposed to leave? Walk?

That's not the issue is it?

It is rather easy to keep a friendly attitude about a disaster when you can drive your Hummer 2 to watch concerts at the relief site and collect your insurance check when it is all over.

Know a person's situation before you begin to applaud their benevolence.


I highly doubt the people that lost their homes are happy about the situation. As far as the attitude I wouldn't call it friendly more like civil. Concerts at a relief site in California? Sounds about right for California. Different attitudes and outlook on life brings different results.

And, pray tell, how were the ones lacking transportation supposed to leave? Walk?

Ride the damn bus out of town. No wait! The mayor left them sitting there to get flooded. Damn that sucks and yes walk the hell out if you have no means of other transportation. Would you sit in place and let a fire or flood come toward you? Would you get your ass up any way possible and maybe move out of harms way? It really wasn't that far to walk to get to higher ground in NO. The French Quarter is above sea level. I just don't have the patience or compassion for people that do not try and help themselves.

Ride the damn bus out of town. No wait! The mayor left them sitting there to get flooded. Damn that sucks and yes walk the hell out if you have no means of other transportation. Would you sit in place and let a fire or flood come toward you? Would you get your ass up any way possible and maybe move out of harms way? It really wasn't that far to walk to get to higher ground in NO. The French Quarter is above sea level. I just don't have the patience or compassion for people that do not try and help themselves.
Oh good, in other words you're asking the poor, elderly, and infirm to try and walk a number of miles in the face of a catagory 5 storm. Do you see ANY problem with that logic?

I've always found those that scream "They need to help themselves!" are always they ones who never have found themselves in a poistion where they really needed help in the face of such a disaster.

Oh good, in other words you're asking the poor, elderly, and infirm to try and walk a number of miles in the face of a catagory 5 storm. Do you see ANY problem with that logic?

I've always found those that scream "They need to help themselves!" are always they ones who never have found themselves in a poistion where they really needed help in the face of such a disaster.

I think what he was saying was more along the lines of 'If no one is willing to help, then help yourself.'

Oh good, in other words you're asking the poor, elderly, and infirm to try and walk a number of miles in the face of a catagory 5 storm. Do you see ANY problem with that logic?

I've always found those that scream "They need to help themselves!" are always they ones who never have found themselves in a poistion where they really needed help in the face of such a disaster.

Yes the poor can walk. Just because you have no money in your pockets doesn't mean you can't walk your ass a few miles. In fact they should be able to walk faster because they don't have a wallet or that heavy change to weigh their asses down.

As far as the elderly and infirm I will show compassion because they do need help. That responsibility falls directly on local government that did nothing to make sure those types of people were not fully evacuated.

As far as me being in a position of being in a disaster. When we were kids our house burned and gutted the interior. Yeah it sucked but guess what we stayed with relatives until our house was rebuilt.

I also currently live in an earthquake prone area with the most dangerous US volcano as a backdrop. I have a personal plan to get my family help if needed. I already know what I would do and where I would go. If it were the case that I needed to walk a distance I would do it.

I personally think people need to stop making excuses for the stupid people and start asking them to get a clue.

Why couldn't they put them in the Angel's stadium? I mean, they're certainly not using it.

ZING! That has to hurt for fans of the LAA of Anaheim.

ZING! That has to hurt for fans of the LAA of Anaheim.

:D

Yes the poor can walk. Just because you have no money in your pockets doesn't mean you can't walk your ass a few miles. In fact they should be able to walk faster because they don't have a wallet or that heavy change to weigh their asses down.
Walk to where? To stay where? With what food and water? Oh, wait, I KNOW, they could go to the French Quarter and camp out in tents! Hell, it's only a cat 5 storm that's a coming. The winds are only able to tear apart full blown houses, they'll be fine there with no food, water, or sanitary facilities. Maybe they would walk 10 miles out of town and find a motel that will let them stay for free... assuming someone is nice enough, or that they aren't full thanks to those folks with a mean of transportation getting there first. Or maybe they should just dig their own graves then, right?

As far as me being in a position of being in a disaster. When we were kids our house burned and gutted the interior. Yeah it sucked but guess what we stayed with relatives until our house was rebuilt.
Bull shit. Unless your entire town burned down at the same time, that hardly counts as a disaster. It might have sucked balls for you, but, hey, sounds like you had relatives who were not affected (Unlike these folks who had the whole of their city), who were nearby enough to get to, AND you had the means to get there. Sorry, your sniffles doesn't compaire with their flu.

I also currently live in an earthquake prone area with the most dangerous US volcano as a backdrop. I have a personal plan to get my family help if needed. I already know what I would do and where I would go. If it were the case that I needed to walk a distance I would do it.
Oh good, so in the middle of the earthquake, or an eruption, I want you to try and get your family out of the house by walking. See how far you can get with your children before you realize that you're not going to be able to go the distance to safety.

I personally think people need to stop making excuses for the stupid people and start asking them to get a clue.
So do I, starting with those who don't bother to think about what they are actually saying before they offer advice, like walking.

Walk to where? To stay where? With what food and water? Oh, wait, I KNOW, they could go to the French Quarter and camp out in tents! Hell, it's only a cat 5 storm that's a coming. The winds are only able to tear apart full blown houses, they'll be fine there with no food, water, or sanitary facilities. Maybe they would walk 10 miles out of town and find a motel that will let them stay for free... assuming someone is nice enough, or that they aren't full thanks to those folks with a mean of transportation getting there first. Or maybe they should just dig their own graves then, right?

When the water is rising you get to high ground. This is a no brainer. Did I mention that they should get into tents in a cat 5 storm? Also where to take a piss is the last thing that one needs to worry about when the water is rising. Make the best of the situation one is in. Of course they are not going to be able to be put up in a 5 star hotel with room service during a cat 5. However they could have been rescued from high ground much easier then in the Superdome that was surrounded by water or off the top of their roofs. As far as digging their own graves you are being a bit over dramatic and doesn't prove at all your point.


Bull shit. Unless your entire town burned down at the same time, that hardly counts as a disaster. It might have sucked balls for you, but, hey, sounds like you had relatives who were not affected (Unlike these folks who had the whole of their city), who were nearby enough to get to, AND you had the means to get there. Sorry, your sniffles doesn't compaire with their flu.


House burned down is a house burned down. It doesn't matter if it is flooded or burned it is uninhabital. If you don't get how they are the same then don't know what to tell you.


Oh good, so in the middle of the earthquake, or an eruption, I want you to try and get your family out of the house by walking. See how far you can get with your children before you realize that you're not going to be able to go the distance to safety.


Well most likely with an eruption their will be warning. With warning of impending eruption I leave in my car. If it is a quake and for some reason I have to leave my home to walk to an area where I can get relief I will. If you have to you have to. I live in a major urban area so most likely I wouldn't have to walk over 5 miles to one.


So do I, starting with those who don't bother to think about what they are actually saying before they offer advice, like walking.

Walking to high ground is fairly simple advice and would have got those people help much faster. I do think about what I am saying and still say those people were stupid for not getting themselves out.