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Velociraptor most definitely had feathers

CthulhuFhtagn
23-10-2007, 17:01
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070920145402.htm

Velociraptor Had Feathers

ScienceDaily (Sep. 20, 2007) — A new look at some old bones have shown that velociraptor, the dinosaur made famous in the movie Jurassic Park, had feathers. The discovery was made by paleontologists at the American Museum of Natural History and the Field Museum of Natural History.

Scientists have known for years that many dinosaurs had feathers. Now the presence of feathers has been documented in velociraptor, one of the most iconic of dinosaurs and a close relative of birds.

The fossil specimen that the group examined was a velociraptor forearm unearthed in Mongolia in 1998. They found on it clear indications of quill knobs--places where the quills of secondary feathers, the flight or wing feathers of modern birds, were anchored to the bone with ligaments. Quill knobs are also found in many living bird species and are most evident in birds that are strong flyers. Those that primarily soar or that have lost the ability to fly entirely, however, were shown in the study to typically lack signs of quill knobs.

"A lack of quill knobs does not necessarily mean that a dinosaur did not have feathers," said Alan Turner, lead author on the study and a graduate student of paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History and at Columbia University in New York. "Finding quill knobs on velociraptor, though, means that it definitely had feathers. This is something we'd long suspected, but no one had been able to prove."

Previous signs of feathers on dinosaurs had been restricted to fossils found in a particular kind of lake sediment that favored preservation of small-bodied animals.

The velociraptor in the current study stood about three feet tall, was about five feet long, and weighed about 30 pounds. Combined with its relatively short forelimbs compared to a modern bird, this indicated it lacked volant, or flight, abilities. The authors suggest that perhaps an ancestor of velociraptor lost the ability to fly, but retained its feathers. In velociraptor, the feathers may have been useful for display, to shield nests, for temperature control, or to help it maneuver while running.

"The more that we learn about these animals the more we find that there is basically no difference between birds and their closely related dinosaur ancestors like velociraptor," said Mark Norell, a Curator in the Division of Paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History and co-author on the study. "Both have wishbones, brooded their nests, possess hollow bones, and were covered in feathers. If animals like velociraptor were alive today our first impression would be that they were just very unusual looking birds".

The research team also included Peter Makovicky from the Field Museum in Chicago. The work was supported by the National Science Foundation and the American Museum of Natural History.

This research appears in the Sept. 21 issue of the journal Science.

Adapted from materials provided by American Museum of Natural History.


Now, what makes this interesting isn't that Velociraptor had feathers, which was pretty much a given already, but what types of feathers it had. The quill knobs suggest flight feathers, which would lend credence to Paul's hypothesis that dromaeosaurids were secondarily flightless.

So, discuss and what not.
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 17:05
Heehee, you said ‘knob’.


But enough British innuendo.

I don’t believe that the link between birds and dinosaurs is anything more than conjecture, but the article suggests that velociraptors were ‘close relatives of birds’.

Anyone know of a proven link?
Khadgar
23-10-2007, 17:07
"That's not so scary, looks like a big turkey!".


It's still a lot of speculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Feathered_dinosaurs_and_the_origin_of_birds) but it's the current favored theory. You know science hard to prove anything.
Peepelonia
23-10-2007, 17:09
Heehee, you said ‘knob’.


But enough British innuendo.

I don’t believe that the link between birds and dinosaurs is anything more than conjecture, but the article suggests that velociraptors were ‘close relatives of birds’.

Anyone know of a proven link?


Bwahaha you sed knob!
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 17:10
“That’s not so scary, looks like a big turkey!”.


It’s still a lot of speculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Feathered_dinosaurs_and_the_origin_of_birds) but it’s the current favored theory. You know science hard to prove anything.
Cheers.

I thought it was quite an outsider opinion, as opposed to a generally accepted theory.

Interesting.
RLI Rides Again
23-10-2007, 17:25
But did it taste like chicken?
Ruby City
23-10-2007, 18:31
But did it taste like chicken?
Maybe. Protein recovered from a T Rex bone was found to be similar to chicken (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/apr/13/uknews.taxonomy) protein.

The Jurassic Park movies would have been more entertaining with feathers on the dinosaurs.
Balderdash71964
23-10-2007, 19:17
Heehee, you said ‘knob’.

But enough British innuendo.

I don’t believe that the link between birds and dinosaurs is anything more than conjecture, but the article suggests that velociraptors were ‘close relatives of birds’.

Anyone know of a proven link?

I think it words it a bit more strongly than just a casual similarity...

"The more that we learn about these animals the more we find that there is basically no difference between birds and their closely related dinosaur ancestors like velociraptor," said Mark Norell, a Curator in the Division of Paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History and co-author on the study. "Both have wishbones, brooded their nests, possess hollow bones, and were covered in feathers. If animals like velociraptor were alive today our first impression would be that they were just very unusual looking birds".
Nodinia
23-10-2007, 19:24
But did it taste like chicken?


Everything tastes like chicken. Thats why there are no dinosaurs. Amerikans from the future come back to hunt them all.
Turquoise Days
23-10-2007, 19:26
Well thats interesting. I don't know how much of a link you can draw between velociraptor in particular and modern birds, but its good to know nonetheless. Who's paul, by the way?
Balderdash71964
23-10-2007, 19:30
Everything tastes like chicken. Thats why there are no dinosaurs. Amerikans from the future come back to hunt them all.

It wasn't ALL Amerikans that did it, it was that evil cloned Colonel Sanders from the future! He ran out of soylent green mixture for his chicken-like restaurant substance...
ClodFelter
24-10-2007, 05:36
Well thats interesting. I don't know how much of a link you can draw between velociraptor in particular and modern birds, but its good to know nonetheless. Who's paul, by the way?Gregory Paul.
Jeruselem
24-10-2007, 08:11
Not the sort of turkeys you'd want to hunt by yourself :p.
Callisdrun
24-10-2007, 08:17
Cheers.

I thought it was quite an outsider opinion, as opposed to a generally accepted theory.

Interesting.

It isn't. It's the most accepted theory, with a few holdouts, like there are for all relatively new theories.

Basically to oppose it, you must choose to say that either Archeopteryx (along with many other primitive birds of the Mesozoic) was not or bird or that it was not a dinosaur.
Ifreann
24-10-2007, 10:14
Awww, velociraptor used to be the coolest dinosaur ever. Now it sucks.