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Star Trek fans please read!

Lohanland
21-10-2007, 22:40
And no derogatory comments about 'Trekkies', conventions or anything else from the rest of you, either.

Just recently I have found myself fascinated by The Borg. What's it really like to be part of the Collective? How long have they existed? Etc etc.

They are by far my fave Star Trek alien race - so I was kinda curious to see what other races Trek fans like the best....?
Gartref
21-10-2007, 22:44
And no derogatory comments about 'Trekkies', conventions or anything else from the rest of you, either.

Just recently I have found myself fascinated by The Borg. What's it really like to be part of the Collective? How long have they existed? Etc etc.

They are by far my fave Star Trek alien race - so I was kinda curious to see what other races Trek fans like the best....?


The Borg, as their name suggests, are based on the Swedes. Like them, they enjoy cold climates like outer space and are totally emotionless.
New Foxxinnia
21-10-2007, 22:44
For a second, I thought this was going to be a Star Trek fan fiction thread. Dodged a bullet there.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 22:47
Vorta and Shapeshifters.
IDF
21-10-2007, 22:52
Jem'Hadar

Victory is life!
Verdigroth
21-10-2007, 23:02
The Gorn. Victory or Death.
Lohanland
21-10-2007, 23:02
Vorta and Shapeshifters.

Hehe, sounds like a cheesy dance group that might reach no.32 in the charts with a cover of [insert random 1980s hit here].

Actually I was gonna put these in, but I ran out of poll options!
Ashmoria
21-10-2007, 23:21
the bajorans.

very peaceful and religious but forced into terrorism by circumstances
Call to power
21-10-2007, 23:24
Cardassians since they always seemed to be the most "real"

a piece of trivia is that the borg are actually a replacement to the ferengi as the ferengi basically represent the anti-utopia of star trek, sadly the ferengi where never really all that so the borg where chosen (representing anti-freedom)

I always felt the borg could be more of a utopia though its certainly a more happy life and maybe there is no loss of freedom involved (after all the borg collective is a collection of voices that presumably allows immortality)
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 23:34
Borg are my favorite group as well. In fact, I go totally gaga over any episode of Star Trek (TNG, Voyager, DS9, etc) that has the Borg in it. I love them so much that I based my own nation around their ideals (although I kind of drifted slightly from them).

Just about every aspect of the Borg is fascinating to me. To have so many minds united into a hive mind, one consciousness, the ability to act as one and many at the same time. I can go on and on...

Also I've never really understood the general aversion to assimilation in ST. I mean, if I got the opportunity to be one with the Collective, work towards perfection and all that, I'd go for it with all I got. I suppose St wouldn't be ST with all the characters as drones, but meh.So you would prefer to be a slave in a collective?
Gun Manufacturers
22-10-2007, 00:13
Also I've never really understood the general aversion to assimilation in ST. I mean, if I got the opportunity to be one with the Collective, work towards perfection and all that, I'd go for it with all I got. I suppose St wouldn't be ST with all the characters as drones, but meh.

I think the reason many of the characters in Star Trek had an unwillingness to join the collective is, the Borg never asked anybody if they wanted to be a Borg drone. Assimilation was forced on them. People were kidnapped, maimed, and stripped of any/all of their individual identity.
Kassin
22-10-2007, 00:44
I bet, though, that if the Borg had the idea to ask, many cultures would have joined willingly. To allow their culture, technology, language, etc. to be made a part of something bigger and "better" might seem like a good trade-off for joining a Collective.

My favorite races are the OS Vulcans and the TNG Klingons. The Vulcans because they are the absolute epitome of controlled strength and the TNG Klingons because they really believe in honor and traditions.
The_pantless_hero
22-10-2007, 01:08
The Kazon, just to be difficult.
Khadgar
22-10-2007, 01:28
I like Cardassians, they're not the cliche evil guys they have depth (mostly thanks to DS9). Borg are boring, and Voyager turned 'em into complete wusses.
Bann-ed
22-10-2007, 01:45
7 of 9 was Borg right?

I'm in.
Laterale
22-10-2007, 02:05
I can't believe you left out Vulcans.

Klingons are my favorite of the choices, because they just... kick ass. Birds of prey...

Vulcans (Romulans of course are included in there, because of genetic similarity; I was greatly appeased in Nemesis) are next, but my favorites are of course Humans.
Callang Provinces
22-10-2007, 02:14
Don't think they really count as aliens since they originated on earth but I gotta say The Augments, please tell my who doesn't love... KKKHHHAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!
The Loyal Opposition
22-10-2007, 03:22
The Borg, but only because the existence of such a frightening species was necessary for establishing the back story for the best character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_%28Star_Trek%29) and episode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%2C_Borg) in the entire franchise.

"Resistance is not futile?"
NERVUN
22-10-2007, 03:38
Vulcans, the logic, the control, the ability to mindmeld, and so on. The only downside I can see would be pon far, but I'm pretty sure even that would be interesting. ;)
Tuo
22-10-2007, 04:19
Bajorans, and Andorians, and the Trill. ^_^
Kassin
22-10-2007, 04:20
Oh, the Trill! I love the Trill!
Gun Manufacturers
22-10-2007, 04:45
Not one mention of Tribbles? :(
Wilgrove
22-10-2007, 04:49
I like TNG Klingon, as well as the TNG race that Q belonged to. It would be awesome to have the powers that Q has.
Dakini
22-10-2007, 05:00
I like the Betazoids, the Trill and the Q...
Kyronea
22-10-2007, 05:01
I think the reason many of the characters in Star Trek had an unwillingness to join the collective is, the Borg never asked anybody if they wanted to be a Borg drone. Assimilation was forced on them. People were kidnapped, maimed, and stripped of any/all of their individual identity.

Yeah, see, the Borg would be perfectly fine in my eyes if they'd just actually try asking instead of forcibly assimilating everyone they meet. It'd be a lot nicer that way.

As for me...I don't have one.
Kyronea
22-10-2007, 05:04
Don't think they really count as aliens since they originated on earth but I gotta say The Augments, please tell my who doesn't love... KKKHHHAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!

I hated how Star Trek showed genetic manipulation. It always showed it as wrong, as if it wasn't possible for genetic manipulation to be done correctly, as if everyone who tried using it was some power-hungry maniac. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sensible alterations to the human genome. Now, obviously, people shouldn't be arrogant and cruel about it, but to assume that they MUST BE just because they're genetically manipulated is, in my mind, an insult to science.
Indri
22-10-2007, 07:00
The best race and character in the whole of Trekdom is Q. Q is the embodiment of Trek, the personification of discovery.

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid."
-Q
Franklinburg
22-10-2007, 07:04
The Q and the Betazed
Trollgaard
22-10-2007, 07:05
Klingons and Romulans.
The Brevious
22-10-2007, 07:12
Hey, i'd have to go party with the Edo.
*nods emphatically*
...just stay off the lawn, yo.
Lohanland
22-10-2007, 09:36
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid." -Q

What a classic episode and a brilliant line that was. The mystery that conjured up was just great.

By the way, if the Borg pass 50% in my poll then they win by default and thereby are granted the right to assimiliate EVERYONE.... hahahaha.
Kalashnivoka
22-10-2007, 09:55
When the minds of the many work together as one, I frankly don't see that as slavery. Slavery is oppression of individuals by a master, but in the collective mind there is no slave, and there is no master.

The throwing away of individual differences to work towards an ultimate common goal is the beauty I see in a collective mind. That's something we'll never see in a individually-minded society, where petty differences cause chaos and indecision.

But the borg have a master; the Borg Queen. One episode of Voyager the Borg Queen kills nearly a million Borg, has them all kill themselves simply to make a passing point to Cpt. Janeway.

As for the idea of the collective being 'horrible', thats because of the way they assimilate indiscriminately. You have no choice, you have no option, they refuse to negotiate, they either assimilate or destroy and theres nothing that can be done to fight that.

My favourite race are the Klingons. They lack the snootiness of the Romulans, or the utopia-ism of the Federation. They remember the traditions of old combat, in particular the meelee weaponry (tho the batleth is a pile of crap). Also, their ships look cool, and theyre so bound by honour, a word the Federation and Romulans have seemingly forgotten.
Vetalia
22-10-2007, 10:03
Ferengi, naturally.
Iansisle
22-10-2007, 10:12
I voted 'other' because I don't really have a particular favorite 'alien' race. I've always loved the Efrosian makeup, but humans themselves are what makes Star Trek interesting. When you get right down to it, the show is really about the human condition more than anything else and the various aliens are just a plot device to explore the show's ideas on human nature. So, you can count my vote as going to the Efrosians if you must, but it's really for us humans.=D
Ruby City
22-10-2007, 12:32
The borg are the coolest because they are the ultimate democracy, a tyranny of the majority(hive mind) in all aspects of life. Even in the details like their slowness to act because decisions must be made by the majority and them ignoring individual intruders which are irrelevant to the majority.

The borg queen doesn't fit in at all though. I bet they added her just because they needed to spice things up with a powerful and important individual on the borg side. Yet another common drone couldn't have played the role the queen played.

When it comes to nicest most likable race I'm not sure. Maybe betazoids if naked weddings are any indication of their culture. While we are supposed to buy the pig in the sack they see what they get.
Ifreann
22-10-2007, 12:34
The humans.
Intestinal fluids
22-10-2007, 14:45
The Borg were incredible when they were first introduced. The season finale when Picard was captured and became a Borg was one of the finest Star Trek episodes of any generation. Sadly every appearence of the Borg after this episode increased thier suckatude till it got downright pathetic and you really missed how much you used to like the Borg as bad guys..... The Gorn rule as the species that can poorly throw styrofoam rocks and slowly lumber around better then any other race ever. I found the Ferengi, as a lifeform devoted completly to profit above all else was interesting. More intellectually, Darmak and Gilad at Tinagra was about arace that had a similie based language. To help explain, they didnt have any word for tragic love but would say Romeo and Juliet, on the balcony.Thier entire language was based on this. This was the one time the Universal translator wouldnt work because even though we understood his individual words, the races language was based soley on context and sounded like gibberish to the ones that didnt understand this context. Facinating.
The_pantless_hero
22-10-2007, 14:53
My favourite race are the Klingons. They lack the snootiness of the Romulans, or the utopia-ism of the Federation. They remember the traditions of old combat, in particular the meelee weaponry (tho the batleth is a pile of crap). Also, their ships look cool, and theyre so bound by honour, a word the Federation and Romulans have seemingly forgotten.

Pfft, the Kazon are what they wished the Klingons could be.
Corbindale
22-10-2007, 14:55
Q by far.
Khadgar
22-10-2007, 15:01
I hated how Star Trek showed genetic manipulation. It always showed it as wrong, as if it wasn't possible for genetic manipulation to be done correctly, as if everyone who tried using it was some power-hungry maniac. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sensible alterations to the human genome. Now, obviously, people shouldn't be arrogant and cruel about it, but to assume that they MUST BE just because they're genetically manipulated is, in my mind, an insult to science.

Andromeda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_%28TV_series%29) did it a bit better, near everyone has some genetic alterations.
Anti-Social Darwinism
22-10-2007, 15:23
You couldn't get Vulcans on there?
United Beleriand
22-10-2007, 16:12
You couldn't get Vulcans on there?Vulcans are too slimy.
Aishokuareno
22-10-2007, 16:38
Q and the Tribbles. The Q are powerful, and the Tribbles are just plain cute. Reminds me somewhat of puffskeins from Harry Potter, except Tribbles are way better. =D
Kyronea
22-10-2007, 17:46
Andromeda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_%28TV_series%29) did it a bit better, near everyone has some genetic alterations.
Hai, though I've never really watched it since it didn't appeal to me.

Of course, what's also annoying is how the further the series's went, the less and less they stuck to Roddenberry's vision. Obviously Roddenberry's vision was mildly flawed...people are still going to be people...but the problem with what Voyager, late DS9, and Enterprise did is that it portrayed people as people without having the moral and ethical beliefs Roddenberry says they would have, which is ridiculous. I have all of those ethical and moral beliefs--possibly taking certain ones to an even further extent--and I'm still a person.

Roddenberry would, as the saying goes, spin in his grave to know what Berman and Braga did to Star Trek. They murdered the Great Bird of the Galaxy via murdering his vision. :(
<snip>

I predicted the Borg Queen issue would come up, I originally included it in a previous post of mine, but left it out since I assumed what I was going to write was known, but turns out not.

From my interpretation of the ST universe (supported by Memory Alpha's page on the Borg Queen: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg_Queen), the Borg Queen (from here on, referred to as BQ) is not a true master, but a mere representation of the entire collective, the embodiment of the collective. To sum up the wiki article, the BQ is a drone herself, but only appears to be a master figure due to her seemingly independent action. Similar to Seven of Nine, in her drone state. Appears to act independent compared to the other drones, but still a member of the collective. Personally I think the BQ was added into the ST universe to make it easier to represent the Borg to viewers, but that's pretty much irrelevant.

I think the Borg Queen was absolutely unnecessary, though. See, the way they used Picard was how they should've done it. The Borg need representatives, yes, but in the Picard/Locutus sense, not the Borg Queen sense. It'd have made far more sense that way.

Still...at least when first introduced the Borg Queen wasn't too shabby. A little ridiculous in her seduction of Data(not to mention Alice Krige is FAR more beautiful without the makeup and lack of hair) but fair. Ever since though she was just a mustache twirling villain. :gundge:
Letila
22-10-2007, 18:13
The Borg certainly, as they provided some of the most effective moments of menace and danger in Trek, though they really went down hill in many ways by the time we got to Voyager. Granted, I thought "Scorpion" kicked ass in terms of atmosphere and surprises, but the Borg really sucked a lot more than they should have. The entire collective spent months battling Species 8472 with no success and then the Voyager crew stumbles upon a simple solution almost by accident.
Kyronea
22-10-2007, 18:19
The Borg certainly, as they provided some of the most effective moments of menace and danger in Trek, though they really went down hill in many ways by the time we got to Voyager. Granted, I thought "Scorpion" kicked ass in terms of atmosphere and surprises, but the Borg really sucked a lot more than they should have. The entire collective spent months battling Species 8472 with no success and then the Voyager crew stumbles upon a simple solution almost by accident.
Yeah, that was a little ridiculous, though par for the course when it comes to Voyager.

I love how comedy fan fiction mocks the Borg though. "The Borg? HAH! Voyager Borg are pathetic!" "We are the Next Generation Borg. ":eek: Oh shit!"
Tapao
22-10-2007, 19:09
hehmy vote goes to the Deltans but only because they are so good in bed that when its over all non-Deltan participants are driven insane! And also they basically just get everyone feeling fruity!
Chumblywumbly
22-10-2007, 21:37
I personally like the Cardassians.

They seem to be the most three-dimensional of the alien species, due mostly to DS:9.
Khadgar
22-10-2007, 21:42
Yeah, that was a little ridiculous, though par for the course when it comes to Voyager.

I love how comedy fan fiction mocks the Borg though. "The Borg? HAH! Voyager Borg are pathetic!" "We are the Next Generation Borg. ":eek: Oh shit!"

Next Gen Borg: 39 ships killed at Wolf 359.
Voyager Borg: Cubes running away from a single poorly armed ship.
SeathorniaII
22-10-2007, 21:44
Romulans are just plain awesome.

Nuff said.
Katganistan
22-10-2007, 22:39
Q'aPLAH!!!!
Sven the Crusader
22-10-2007, 23:25
I was torn between Romulans and Klingons, for two totally different reasons. I love the Romulan ships, and the fact that their society is filled with espionage. I also appreciate the Klingon boldness, and their willingness to die for honor. The martial culture appeals to me. I've also got to say that probably the best saying is "It is a good day to die."
Gun Manufacturers
22-10-2007, 23:36
Q'aPLAH!!!!

Gehzunteit.



:D
Bouitazia
22-10-2007, 23:47
I cant believe no one has mentioned the Voth yet...

Even though it has not been proven (as of yet) , I still feel like there should be more to the Mesozoic era then just big animals...

Ok..maybe not, but I find the idea very intriguing...
Ariddia
22-10-2007, 23:58
The Vulcans.

The Cardassians have some of the most interesting characters, though.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 00:49
Next Gen Borg: 39 ships killed at Wolf 359.
Voyager Borg: Cubes running away from a single poorly armed ship.

BUT IT HAS TRANSPHASIC TORPEDOES AND BAT ARMOUR! WHO'S GOING TO QUESTION BAT ARMOUR?! :rolleyes:

Okay, enough Voyager mocking. They did contribute some good...Voyager was, after all, the setting of Elite Force, and without it Elite Force II could not have been made.
IDF
23-10-2007, 00:52
I'm going to change my answer to Vulcans.

Why?

Everyone knows they are just based off of the Jews (especially Kabbalists). The whole Vulcan salute is a Hebrew Shin and meant to signify a female form of G-d.
IDF
23-10-2007, 00:53
BUT IT HAS TRANSPHASIC TORPEDOES AND BAT ARMOUR! WHO'S GOING TO QUESTION BAT ARMOUR?! :rolleyes:

Okay, enough Voyager mocking. They did contribute some good...Voyager was, after all, the setting of Elite Force, and without it Elite Force II could not have been made.
I really did hate Voyager. I love how Lynch gave up on the series after the 2nd season. DS9 was so much better.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 01:08
I really did hate Voyager. I love how Lynch gave up on the series after the 2nd season. DS9 was so much better.

Voyager wasn't all bad though. Admittedly it was mostly bad but there were some nice episodes buried in the mix, and Neelix and the Doctor are fun characters.

Enterprise though...it has very, VERY little to redeem itself with...hell, probably only that Vulcan story arc and the canon explanation for the Klingon forehead problem are all that's worthy.
Tuo
23-10-2007, 01:19
I hated how Star Trek showed genetic manipulation. It always showed it as wrong, as if it wasn't possible for genetic manipulation to be done correctly, as if everyone who tried using it was some power-hungry maniac. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sensible alterations to the human genome. Now, obviously, people shouldn't be arrogant and cruel about it, but to assume that they MUST BE just because they're genetically manipulated is, in my mind, an insult to science.

It's been a long time since I've watched any Star Trek, but I like how genetic manipulation was handled with Dr. Bashir. It could've been that I had a huge crush on him and was happy for any screentime the character got, though...

Enterprise though...it has very, VERY little to redeem itself with...hell, probably only that Vulcan story arc and the canon explanation for the Klingon forehead problem are all that's worthy.

Oooh! What was the explanation given? I was only able to get through a few episodes of Enterprise before I gave up on it.
Krissland
23-10-2007, 01:20
The Klingons are the best and while I like the modern incarnation, I really love the old Klingons. I was also a fan of Betazoids. They get to read people's minds and get married naked.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 01:24
It's been a long time since I've watched any Star Trek, but I like how genetic manipulation was handled with Dr. Bashir. It could've been that I had a huge crush on him and was happy for any screentime the character got, though...

Yeah, Dr. Bashir was an absolutely fantastic character and probably the one good example of genetic manipulation. Even there his father went to prison for it, which I think is ludicrous. The Federation is cutting itself off from a vital resource/tool/what have you because it was misused in the past...that's like eschewing firearms because they were used to conquer your ancestors.


Oooh! What was the explanation given? I was only able to get through a few episodes of Enterprise before I gave up on it.

I don't remember the full details, but basically there was some disease--possibly genetic--striking all Klingons, and the cure dissolved their forehead ridges for a few generations. They would eventually regrow, but the Klingons weren't too happy about it.
Tuo
23-10-2007, 01:55
Yeah, Dr. Bashir was an absolutely fantastic character and probably the one good example of genetic manipulation. Even there his father went to prison for it, which I think is ludicrous. The Federation is cutting itself off from a vital resource/tool/what have you because it was misused in the past...that's like eschewing firearms because they were used to conquer your ancestors.

I have to agree with you, though feel that, in the Earth based cultures in the Star Trek universe, genetic manipulation is seen as something that makes one less human. It really wouldn't be the same universe if genetically engeneered people were commonplace, even as a background fact.

As for Bashir's father going to prison, I don't think anyone really wanted him to, but he did break a pretty big law, one that could've stripped Julian of his title and position. Unfortunately, someone had to be punished.


I don't remember the full details, but basically there was some disease--possibly genetic--striking all Klingons, and the cure dissolved their forehead ridges for a few generations. They would eventually regrow, but the Klingons weren't too happy about it.

:D That makes me all kinds of happy.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 01:59
I have to agree with you, though feel that, in the Earth based cultures in the Star Trek universe, genetic manipulation is seen as something that makes one less human. It really wouldn't be the same universe if genetically engeneered people were commonplace, even as a background fact.

Maybe not, but it would make more sense, in my mind. Of course I think a lot of the technology of the Star Trek universe could be revamped in ways we're likely to achieve ourselves in another decade or so...but that's just my opinion.

As for Bashir's father going to prison, I don't think anyone really wanted him to, but he did break a pretty big law, one that could've stripped Julian of his title and position. Unfortunately, someone had to be punished.

True...my objection is that the law exists, though, not that he was punished under it. Considering what could have happened, two years was pretty damned lenient, and I'm pretty sure Federation penal colonies are a hell of a lot nicer than any modern day prison.



:D That makes me all kinds of happy.
It was somewhat amusing.
Potarius
23-10-2007, 02:00
I don't remember the full details, but basically there was some disease--possibly genetic--striking all Klingons, and the cure dissolved their forehead ridges for a few generations. They would eventually regrow, but the Klingons weren't too happy about it.

It was fucking *hilarious* on that episode of DS9 where they went back in time and visited the Enterprise during the Tribble affair... You know, when they encountered the Klingons who didn't have head ridges? :p
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 02:10
It was fucking *hilarious* on that episode of DS9 where they went back in time and visited the Enterprise during the Tribble affair... You know, when they encountered the Klingons who didn't have head ridges? :p

Hai. That episode was just fun. The problem, of course, was bringing attention to that. Up until then it was simply a budgetary problem, since the makeup used for Klingons was what was always intended. But by pointing it out in the canon, it created a problem.

The Enterprise solution isn't entirely perfect--Bashir ought to have known about the cure--but it fixed what was a glaring problem.
Potarius
23-10-2007, 02:16
Hai. That episode was just fun. The problem, of course, was bringing attention to that. Up until then it was simply a budgetary problem, since the makeup used for Klingons was what was always intended. But by pointing it out in the canon, it created a problem.

The Enterprise solution isn't entirely perfect--Bashir ought to have known about the cure--but it fixed what was a glaring problem.

True that. But the best part of the episode, in my opinion, was Odo petting the Tribble.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 02:25
True that. But the best part of the episode, in my opinion, was Odo petting the Tribble.

I just wish we had heard what the ramifications of bringing Tribbles back were supposed to be.

I also want to know why it is that Tribbles are the way they are. No species could survive that way, being able to just gorge, procreate, and cover everything. They'd eat all the food then starve to death.
Potarius
23-10-2007, 02:33
I just wish we had heard what the ramifications of bringing Tribbles back were supposed to be.

I also want to know why it is that Tribbles are the way they are. No species could survive that way, being able to just gorge, procreate, and cover everything. They'd eat all the food then starve to death.

I'm sure they'd try to come up with a decent way of cheezing it into reality, but some things just exist to make your brain hurt.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 02:45
I'm sure they'd try to come up with a decent way of cheezing it into reality, but some things just exist to make your brain hurt.

Well, it could be they just have a natural predator that wasn't transported from their home world with them. Most animal species would starve themselves the same way.

The fast reproduction rate could be due to the predator being a rather vicious one.
Krissland
23-10-2007, 02:46
I also want to know why it is that Tribbles are the way they are. No species could survive that way, being able to just gorge, procreate, and cover everything. They'd eat all the food then starve to death.


I'd always thought they were supposed to be compared to a swarm of locust. Which really do just that.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 02:54
I'd always thought they were supposed to be compared to a swarm of locust. Which really do just that.

But they're furry puff balls! They're not locusts! :(
IDF
23-10-2007, 02:56
The Klingons are the best and while I like the modern incarnation, I really love the old Klingons. \

What happened Worf?

We don't discuss it with outsiders.
Krissland
23-10-2007, 02:59
But they're furry puff balls! They're not locusts! :(


Well cute locust then:D I meant like they breed like nuts, eat all your grain, and swarm your ship. But hey, I'd still want one.
Dakini
23-10-2007, 03:05
I also want to know why it is that Tribbles are the way they are. No species could survive that way, being able to just gorge, procreate, and cover everything. They'd eat all the food then starve to death.
Maybe they live somewhere with a lot of predators who have voracious appetites? The quick tribble breeding is to prevent them from going extinct due to the predators constantly picking them off.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 03:10
Maybe they live somewhere with a lot of predators who have voracious appetites? The quick tribble breeding is to prevent them from going extinct due to the predators constantly picking them off.

Exactly! It's a harsh cycle, but one that keeps things in sync. And, as always, when you significantly alter environmental factors, the species will take some time to figure out a way to survive, and if it cannot, it becomes extinct.

Although I have to wonder how the Tribbles move around...
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 03:13
Although I have to wonder how the Tribbles move around...
Tiny, tiny motorbikes.
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 03:38
Tiny, tiny motorbikes.

Now see, that seems clever, but they have no limbs to maneuver the motorcycles. What's your answer to that?
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 03:42
Now see, that seems clever, but they have no limbs to maneuver the motorcycles. What’s your answer to that?
They do have limbs.

Tiny, tiny limbs, that is.

I mean, how do you think they hold onto each other when they’re reproducing? :p
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 03:50
They do have limbs.

Tiny, tiny limbs, that is.

I mean, how do you think they hold onto each other when they’re reproducing? :p

...I concede. Well played.
Letila
23-10-2007, 03:51
Next Gen Borg: 39 ships killed at Wolf 359.
Voyager Borg: Cubes running away from a single poorly armed ship.

So true, they had the entire Borg fleet at their disposal and they still failed to take out that little ship after a four seasons worth of opportunities. They must have assimilated the trait of suckitude somewhere along the way.

I cant believe no one has mentioned the Voth yet...

Even though it has not been proven (as of yet) , I still feel like there should be more to the Mesozoic era then just big animals...

Ok..maybe not, but I find the idea very intriguing...

Yeah, they were among the better Aliens of the Week, on one of the better episodes of Voyager no less (even if that one contained a lot of handwaving)
Tuo
23-10-2007, 04:23
Seconding the "prey animal" approach to tribbles. It's the same reason that rabbits have so many kittens: to make sure some survive to sexual maturity and procreate. In the tribbles case, it's to make sure some survive long enough to eat enough to be able to procreate. The rate of procreation could be due to lack of defences, too.

Edit: I'm slow today.
Intestinal fluids
23-10-2007, 04:27
The rate of procreation could be due to lack of defences, too.

Everyone knows the rate of procreation is due to the amount of quadrotriticale grain they have eaten. Sheeze. ;)
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 04:27
...I concede. Well played.
But, alas, not canon.
Tuo
23-10-2007, 04:28
They must have assimilated the trait of suckitude somewhere along the way.

Sigged. :D
Klitvilia
23-10-2007, 04:30
It's the same reason that rabbits have so many kittens...


Sorry, but, um....what? (emphasis mine)

Anyway, I voted for the Borg. The idea of a hive mind has always fascinated me. Upon seeing this thread and voting on it, I just felt the urge to go through and read the whole Wikipedia article(s) on them, and as many of the links connected to it as possible.
Chumblywumbly
23-10-2007, 04:33
Sorry, but, um....what? (emphasis mine)
A rabbit’s offspring are known as ‘kittens’.
Tuo
23-10-2007, 04:47
Sorry, but, um....what?

Yes, what Chumblywumbly said. Baby rabbits are called 'kittens', or 'kits'.

This makes me wonder what baby tribbles are called...
Kyronea
23-10-2007, 04:53
But, alas, not canon.

Not yet.
Kassin
23-10-2007, 05:02
Yes, what Chumblywumbly said. Baby rabbits are called 'kittens', or 'kits'.

This makes me wonder what baby tribbles are called...

Tribs? Tribblets?

But they're born pregnant, so I can't see them having much of an infant stage.
The Brevious
23-10-2007, 05:03
Ferengi, naturally.

Oh, do go on ... *waves hand daintily*
Letila
23-10-2007, 15:27
Thanks for the sigquote, Tuo.