NationStates Jolt Archive


Help me with the Jewish question

Markeliopia
21-10-2007, 04:24
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

are the passages in this video real? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbScvn5WNcs

edit: I think it's probably an interpretation in an area where Jews were opressed by Christians

edit again: Why am I doing it? For laughs
ClodFelter
21-10-2007, 04:42
It's easy to argue that jews are smarter than everybody else.

If this guy is a nazi maybe he thinks that the most intelligent race should rule so saying that jews are smarter should really annoy him.
IL Ruffino
21-10-2007, 04:46
The Jews are lying elitists that want to win the gold.
Gartref
21-10-2007, 04:48
Anybody that believes in "genetic evil" is pretty much useless to argue with.
Jello Biafra
21-10-2007, 04:49
Jews aren't a race.

Argument over.
ClodFelter
21-10-2007, 04:53
Maybe they don't count as a race but unlike most religions they are an ethnic group with their own genetic traits, just like the irish or whatever.
Jello Biafra
21-10-2007, 04:53
Maybe they don't count as a race but unlike most religions they are an ethnic group with their own genetic traits, just like the irish or whatever.Certainly, but an ethnicity isn't a race.
Lacadaemon
21-10-2007, 04:57
Maybe they don't count as a race but unlike most religions they are an ethnic group with their own genetic traits, just like the irish or whatever.

It's true that there is such a thing as the cohen modal haplotype. However, to say that the jews are an ethnic group just like the irish is incorrect.

Please read up about jews.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 04:59
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

"debate with a Nazi about the Jewish question" is incredibly vague. If you've set the terms of the debate as "can a race be genetically evil" then you've accepted at least one of the Nazi presuppositions.

Character can't be tied to race. Nor genetics to culture. Nor genetics to race.
But why make yourself try to prove there is no link? The onus is on the Nazi to prove there is, surely?

Don't accept the premise. Also, avoid using the phrase "the Jewish question" because it's a Nazi phrase, words of the Fuehrer in fact.
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 05:03
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

are the passages in this video real? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbScvn5WNcs

edit: I think it's probably an interpretation in an area where Jews were opressed by Christians

edit again: Why am I doing it? For laughs

I believe the Jews are genetically superior to all other races. They certainly have a higher over-all intelligence.

Too bad I'm not one. :(
NERVUN
21-10-2007, 05:04
The Jewish Question: What is the Jewish question? :p
Markeliopia
21-10-2007, 05:09
Will I agree if what the Nazis believe its true that the Jews are superior at taking over things then they have a right to take over the world, ok lets forget about the silly genitic thing (I don't believe in race anyway)

What's with the stuff he showed on the Talmud, is it a misinterpretation
Lacadaemon
21-10-2007, 05:12
Will I agree if what the Nazis believe its true that the Jews are superior at taking over things then they have a right to take over the world, ok lets forget about the silly genitic thing (I don't believe in race anyway)

Well a quick glance at history would tell you that the jews aren't really that good at taking over anything at any time. Quite the opposite in fact.

What's with the stuff he showed on the Talmud, is it a misinterpretation

What stuff? As far as I know the Talmud only gives dominion over a tiny part of the middle east. Though you'd really have to ask someone who cares about it for a fuller answer.
Markeliopia
21-10-2007, 05:17
Well a quick glance at history would tell you that the jews aren't really that good at taking over anything at any time. Quite the opposite in fact.


lol that totally debunks that theory :p

I guess I don't really care he idolizes Sudan Husain, Ahnihimajad and all Americas enemies from WWII

But I am interested what does anyone know about the Talmud (non nazi interpretation version)
Gauthier
21-10-2007, 05:21
Or you could point out that he's basically admiring and following the tenets of a racio-political philosophy that was given a boost by a Jewish man of all people.
Andaras Prime
21-10-2007, 05:43
What about the 'AIPAC' question?
IDF
21-10-2007, 06:03
It's true that there is such a thing as the cohen modal haplotype. However, to say that the jews are an ethnic group just like the irish is incorrect.

Please read up about jews.
There are also genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs.

On a bizarre note, we (my fraternity which is AEPi) nicknamed one of our pledges Tay-Sachs.
IDF
21-10-2007, 06:04
What about the 'AIPAC' question?
About what I'd expect from a Nazi clown.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 06:10
I believe the Jews are genetically superior to all other races. They certainly have a higher over-all intelligence.Faith as theirs is no sign of intelligence. Rather the opposite.
ClodFelter
21-10-2007, 06:12
There is a very disproportionate number of jews who are nobel prize winners and other smart people.
Andaras Prime
21-10-2007, 06:17
About what I'd expect from a Nazi clown.
Marxist-Leninist actually, and I was just pointing to the massive and disproportionate power the Jews control in America through organizations like AIPAC.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 06:18
There is a very disproportionate number of jews who are nobel prize winners and other smart people.

That's not going to cut any ice with a Nazi. Proof that the Nobel Prize is a Jewish conspiracy, and they're only smart because they cheat by learning stuff from books ...
Markeliopia
21-10-2007, 06:20
Marxist-Leninist actually, and I was just pointing to the massive and disproportionate power the Jews control in America through organizations like AIPAC.

WASPs still have the most power :p
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 06:21
Marxist-Leninist actually, and I was just pointing to the massive and disproportionate power the Jews control in America through organizations like AIPAC.

"Massive power" does not rest with a lobby group. More likely the US favours Israel for entirely cynical reasons of geopolitics.
Sel Appa
21-10-2007, 06:28
That video looks like it's all fake passages. Can't find any books about any of that Iore Dea or Abhodah...
Lacadaemon
21-10-2007, 06:35
There are also genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs.


Isn't that an ashkenazi problem only though?
ClodFelter
21-10-2007, 06:37
I'm not an expert, but I think so, and I think the intelligence thing is also only an ashkenazi thing now that I think about it.
Kahanistan
21-10-2007, 07:47
That video looks like it's all fake passages. Can't find any books about any of that Iore Dea or Abhodah...

The last one probably refers to Avodah Zarah. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avodah_Zarah) I can't find anything about Iore Dea.
The Pictish Revival
21-10-2007, 09:40
The Jewish Question: What is the Jewish question? :p

Is lox with sweet mustard and dill sauce the best thing ever?

Now there's a Jewish Question that's worth arguing over. As a bonus, there's a good chance that the argument won't bring you into contact with very many spotty internet geeks who, for some unguessable reason, think they represent the Aryan super race.
Gartref
21-10-2007, 10:44
And then there's the Jewish Mother questions:

Would it kill you to call your Mother more often?

When are you going to meet a nice girl and settle down?

When's the last time you came to temple?

Could you pick up your uncle Morry at the airport?

You came into the city and didn't visit? What, do I need to be dying for you to come see us?
Extreme Ironing
21-10-2007, 11:44
I wouldn't really bother arguing with a self-professed Nazi, they'll already be too far into their own imaginary world to make any rational discourse.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 14:02
Is lox with sweet mustard and dill sauce the best thing ever?

Now there's a Jewish Question that's worth arguing over. As a bonus, there's a good chance that the argument won't bring you into contact with very many spotty internet geeks who, for some unguessable reason, think they represent the Aryan super race.Dill is disgusting.
Johnny B Goode
21-10-2007, 14:27
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

are the passages in this video real? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbScvn5WNcs

edit: I think it's probably an interpretation in an area where Jews were opressed by Christians

edit again: Why am I doing it? For laughs

I was just about to ask why you would debate a Nazi.
Ashmoria
21-10-2007, 14:57
if youre doing it for laughs...

id start with the idea that jews are a race by posting photos of various jews of startlingly different looks. dont forget the ethiopians.

then i would seek to define evil. use the german nazi regime as a benchmark and suggest that he find concrete examples of how jews exceeded that evil. dont use the genocide of jews as the standard but the extermination of the gypsys, gays, mentally ill, mentally retarded, brutal treatment of occupied people, etc.

if he is one of those nutcases who admire hitler, suggest that hitler was one quarter jewish. there should be some sources on the net that you can use to support this. its sketchy but no more so than the proposition you are debating.

then if you have to, find jewish children who were raised by christians (like madeleine albright) to show that these people are no more evil than the average christian so it cannot be a genetic thing.

i dont have the bandwidth to wacth the video so if it has to be about that, i have nothing for you.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 15:14
...these people are no more evil than the average christian...now that was quite a joke ;)
Ashmoria
21-10-2007, 15:20
now that was quite a joke ;)

thanks.

its not the most subtle point but i liked it.
The Pictish Revival
21-10-2007, 15:23
Dill is disgusting.

OMG ur part of teh ebil Zionist conspiracy!!!111

See? This is much more fun than putting up with Nazi halfwits.
[NS]Click Stand
21-10-2007, 15:27
I remember arguing with a nazi once on Stormfront. Basically all you have to do is say you are converting to Judaism and then ask if your intelligence/genetic code has changed at all. Oh almost forgot, ask him if you have a hivemind now.
Nodinia
21-10-2007, 15:29
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

are the passages in this video real? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbScvn5WNcs

edit: I think it's probably an interpretation in an area where Jews were opressed by Christians

edit again: Why am I doing it? For laughs

It's total bollocks. For instance theres a "quote" that says "The akum are not to be healed blah blah", yet theres a Sephradic Jewish medical tradition thats been healing all comers for the last few hundred years.....I suspect that theres been lifting from context, as well as extracts taken from the "Talmud unmasked" written by a Russian anti-semite in the 1800's - a man who couldnt even read hebrew/aramaic.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 15:31
OMG ur part of teh ebil Zionist conspiracy!!!111

See? This is much more fun than putting up with Nazi halfwits.Wow, nobody has yet called me a part of an evil Zionist conspiracy... :eek:
Theodosis X
21-10-2007, 15:37
Jews aren't a race.

Argument over.

Uh yeah they definantely are.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 15:46
Uh yeah they definantely are.1. They are not. However, some claim to be.

2. It is definitely. :rolleyes: There should be a list of frequent misspellings somewhere on the General page.
Neesika
21-10-2007, 16:30
Marxist-Leninist actually, and I was just pointing to the massive and disproportionate power the Jews control in America through organizations like AIPAC.

This is one thing that always pissed me off. Working with activists for the past oh...hmmm...15 years now I guess, I would always come across some who I would think were sane...until they started spouting anti-Semitic bullshit and passing it off as 'just the truth!'.

It always annoyed me that anit-Semitism is tolerated to a much greater degree on the left than it ever should be.
Theodosis X
21-10-2007, 16:35
1. They are not. However, some claim to be.

2. It is definitely. :rolleyes: There should be a list of frequent misspellings somewhere on the General page.

Ethnic Jews are their own race. Sure, there are some white, black, asian, etc. Jews due to conversion, but ethnic Jews are their own race.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 16:41
Ethnic Jews are their own race. Sure, there are some white, black, asian, etc. Jews due to conversion, but ethnic Jews are their own race.What constitutes a race?
Nialls
21-10-2007, 16:46
I'll just point out this:



Jews are a religion, anyone can become Jewish and leave the Jewish belief system if they wish - even if they are male and have the "sign of the Jew" on their penis.

While someone is able to say that the Jewish teachings are evil;
The people who say that Jewish thinking is passed down genetically and therefore physical features (as nature made them) are in no way "Jewish" but most inclined to be on the Jewish people because most Jews are from the holy lands and such or are at least descendant from them.
Letonija
21-10-2007, 16:49
Jews are not superior to others in any kind. Its just because they are living together with us and sometimes a some of their people get better than we do. Then we get jealous and create antisemitism and Nazism. There are plenty of poor Jews and less successful Jews. Its a matter of social injustice and religion
OceanDrive2
21-10-2007, 16:49
Uh yeah they definantely are (a race).WUAHAHAHA

Why bother Browsing/registering/logging at Stormfront -for a laugh- to argue with the idiots (calling them a race)? When you can always find some idiots here.
Theodosis X
21-10-2007, 16:51
WUAHAHAHA

Why bother loging on at Stormfront -for a laugh- to argue with the idiots (calling them a race).. If you can find some idiots here.

Stormfront are idiots, I'll agree with you there,

But the Jews are a race. Just because some appear white doesn't mean they are. Ethnic Jews originate in the Middle East and have distinct physical features.
[NS]Click Stand
21-10-2007, 16:57
Stormfront are idiots, I'll agree with you there,

But the Jews are a race. Just because some appear white doesn't mean they are. Ethnic Jews originate in the Middle East and have distinct physical features.

But people from the exact same area that also passed down their genes to a like minded individual would be Jewish?
OceanDrive2
21-10-2007, 16:58
But the Jews are a race.see, what did I tell ya.. we have some idiots, just like they have them at Stormfront. :D
ClodFelter
21-10-2007, 16:59
Just because they look similar it doesn't mean you can call them a race. If anything there are different jewish ethnic groups, like ashkenazi, persian jews, ect. Like I said before, you can usually tell by looking at someone if they are irish, but nobody says the irish are a race.
The Alma Mater
21-10-2007, 17:01
But the Jews are a race. Just because some appear white doesn't mean they are. Ethnic Jews originate in the Middle East and have distinct physical features.

Define "race" then.
Rogue Protoss
21-10-2007, 18:43
Click Stand;13152861']I remember arguing with a nazi once on Stormfront. Basically all you have to do is say you are converting to Judaism and then ask if your intelligence/genetic code has changed at all. Oh almost forgot, ask him if you have a hivemind now.

lol give me that b***** mail, i'll tear him a new A-hole!
Rogue Protoss
21-10-2007, 18:44
Uh yeah they definantely are.

no, they are conglomerate of differnent people and culture, like us muslims and chirstians, latinos americans, blacks, maori,russians, chinese!
Rogue Protoss
21-10-2007, 18:47
And then there's the Jewish Mother questions:

Would it kill you to call your Mother more often?

When are you going to meet a nice girl and settle down?

When's the last time you came to temple?

Could you pick up your uncle Morry at the airport?

You came into the city and didn't visit? What, do I need to be dying for you to come see us?

lol nice! *takes of his hat*
Andaluciae
21-10-2007, 18:49
I believe the ultimate statement regarding the "Jewish Question" is to ask exactly what is the question, and who made it a question.
Utopian stupid peoples
21-10-2007, 18:49
WHAT THE F**K you racist bI***es Go home to your mom and start f ing her cuz youve nothing else better to do then be racist a holes wow you guys suck monkey balls:upyours:
Nouvelle Wallonochie
21-10-2007, 18:51
I believe the ultimate statement regarding the "Jewish Question" is to ask exactly what is the question, and who made it a question.

I don't know what the question is, but I'll hazard a guess that the answer is 42.
Utopian stupid peoples
21-10-2007, 18:51
You know what what if I went ape s**t all over christian beliefs huh huh and who evers blah blah i dont believe in god is dead wrong you will probably be punishe for being rascist
Liminus
21-10-2007, 19:09
Just because they look similar it doesn't mean you can call them a race. If anything there are different jewish ethnic groups, like ashkenazi, persian jews, ect. Like I said before, you can usually tell by looking at someone if they are irish, but nobody says the irish are a race.

Hrm....I would say there are certain ethnic (as in not religious, but still specifically part of that culture) characteristics that all those Jewish "ethnicities" share that imply an over-arching Jewish ethnicity. I wouldn't call it a race because, well, race is a fairly meaningless concept and I've yet to see an acceptable and objective definition of it.

Yes, Jews are spread over the world. However, a people that has historically tended toward isolationism (voluntary and involuntary), been explicitly against converting outsiders and, yet, explicitly encourages marriage within the religion/ethnicity and, depending on sect, considers it a sin to marry outside such would stand a fairly good chance at maintaining its social/ethnic/religious/whatever identity.

As to the statement about a disproportionate number of Jews being Nobel laureates(sp?): it's an entirely cultural phenomenon. Jews have historically been a group that has been disallowed from land ownership and, as such, the culture has tended towards the service industry. Thus you have the stereotype of Jewish doctors/lawyers/accountants...professions that tend to pay well but require a larger amount of training and specialization. This obviously is going to foster a culture that intrinsically values education. American Jews are also the most likely ethnic group to attend college (I think its tied with Asians). There are no genes for these occurrences, only cultural and historical causes. Trying to argue otherwise is simply asinine. So while there may be a Jew-gene (I almost hope there is...it's a funny word to say. Do it, just say it aloud, "Jew-gene....Jew-gene..."), there isn't a smart-Jew-gene or an evil-Jew-gene or any other silly nonsense.

But to the OP...yes, wtf is the Jewish question? Is it a question that when asked to two people you get three answers? We Jews do love to argue. =p
Nodinia
21-10-2007, 19:27
. Like I said before, you can usually tell by looking at someone if they are irish,

Its the belly, and the hair on the arse that often gives us away, tis true....
Zayun
21-10-2007, 19:30
It's total bollocks. For instance theres a "quote" that says "The akum are not to be healed blah blah", yet theres a Sephradic Jewish medical tradition thats been healing all comers for the last few hundred years.....I suspect that theres been lifting from context, as well as extracts taken from the "Talmud unmasked" written by a Russian anti-semite in the 1800's - a man who couldnt even read hebrew/aramaic.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all bull shit. People who hate Muslims do it all the time with the Quran, so it's not surprising that people who hate Jews would mistranslate/make up things in the Talmud.

Also, to the OP, why would you bother debating a Nazi? I mean if you're bored and need something to do go ahead, but you won't convince him/her of anything.
Seangoli
21-10-2007, 19:37
Define "race" then.

Well, considering that "race" is highly a cultural determined, it's going to be hard.

Some cultures view no races, some have two("Us" and "them", meaning everybody who is in their culture is one race, everyone who is outside their culture is another), and some place race on the color of hair/eyes.

So, yup, there is really no objective way to define race.
Nodinia
21-10-2007, 19:51
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all bull shit. People who hate Muslims do it all the time with the Quran, so it's not surprising that people who hate Jews would mistranslate/make up things in the Talmud.


Indeedy. This fella deals with a great many of the quotes
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html
Zayun
21-10-2007, 20:10
Indeedy. This fella deals with a great many of the quotes
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html

Wow
IDF
21-10-2007, 20:12
Indeedy. This fella deals with a great many of the quotes
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html

And what is sad is that many of this board's anti-semites (AP and UB mainly) have posted the false quotes in their arguments. About what I'd expect from sick people like them.

It seems that UB, AP, and OD pull much of their material from garbage like the Protocols.
Verdigroth
21-10-2007, 20:29
The Jewish Question: What is the Jewish question? :p

to be or not to be? oh vey

that is my guess.
Nodinia
21-10-2007, 21:30
And what is sad is that many of this board's anti-semites (AP and UB mainly) have posted the false quotes in their arguments. About what I'd expect from sick people like them.

It seems that UB, AP, and OD pull much of their material from garbage like the Protocols.

It is rather depressing to see people with a western education coming out with this 19th century crap. And its not just young idiots either, sad to say.
United Beleriand
21-10-2007, 22:19
It is rather depressing to see people with a western education coming out with this 19th century crap. And its not just young idiots either, sad to say.Tmk the only one who has ever come up with the Protocols on this Forum is IDF. Other folks are unaware of such 19th century crap.
Geniasis
21-10-2007, 22:28
The Jewish Question: What is the Jewish question? :p

"What's the deal with Airline food?"
Andaluciae
21-10-2007, 22:34
What, exactly, might I ask, is the "Jewish Question."
IDF
21-10-2007, 22:54
Tmk the only one who has ever come up with the Protocols on this Forum is IDF. Other folks are unaware of such 19th century crap.Excuse me, AP and OD have come up with the 19th century stuff.

You've just come up with the 20th century idea of a final solution to the Jewish question.
Markeliopia
21-10-2007, 23:26
But to the OP...yes, wtf is the Jewish question? Is it a question that when asked to two people you get three answers? We Jews do love to argue. =p

The Jewish question is what to do with the Jews and their control of every aspect of society which happened since Jacob bought all the grain in Egypt and sold it at trumped up prices

at least thats what Nazis believe

Indeedy. This fella deals with a great many of the quotes
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html

Thanks thats some good information
The Parkus Empire
22-10-2007, 02:19
Faith as theirs is no sign of intelligence. Rather the opposite.

Statistically Israel has the most educated population of the world. That should tell you something.
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 02:29
Excuse me, AP and OD have come up with the 19th century stuff.

You've just come up with the 20th century idea of a final solution to the Jewish question.

I have no qualms on a biological basis with Jews as you suggest, I simply have a problem with the brutal ultranationalist ethnostate ideology of Zionism, and in general it's hideous creation the Holocaust Memorial Museum (otherwise known as 'Israel').
Blouman Empire
22-10-2007, 02:37
Statistically Israel has the most educated population of the world. That should tell you something.

I think you will find that it has more to do with their teaching methods than their intelligence.

Also if a Jew is going to have a debate with a NAZI then both should find they have a lot in common as they both believe in a superior race that are above all other human beings, Jews believe that they are the superior race (it syas so in their text) and NAZIs believe that a certain breed of members of the teutonic race are above others.
IDF
22-10-2007, 02:59
Statistically Israel has the most educated population of the world. That should tell you something.

Yep, Israel ranks 1st in number of college degrees per capita.
IDF
22-10-2007, 03:01
I have no qualms on a biological basis with Jews as you suggest, I simply have a problem with the brutal ultranationalist ethnostate ideology of Zionism, and in general it's hideous creation the Holocaust Memorial Museum (otherwise known as 'Israel').

You have stated numerous times you want mass execution of Jews.

You also post conspiracy shit copied right from the Protocols. You are a sick entity who isn't even worthy of being called human.
IDF
22-10-2007, 03:01
I have no qualms on a biological basis with Jews as you suggest, I simply have a problem with the brutal ultranationalist ethnostate ideology of Zionism, and in general it's hideous creation the Holocaust Memorial Museum (otherwise known as 'Israel').

You have stated numerous times you want mass execution of Jews.

You also post conspiracy shit copied right from the Protocols.

You have proudly earned the title of NSG's Court Jester for a reason.
The Atlantian islands
22-10-2007, 03:42
The Jewish Question: What is the Jewish question? :p
The Jewish Question: Do I buy the free bacon or not?:headbang:
The Atlantian islands
22-10-2007, 03:44
Also if a Jew is going to have a debate with a NAZI then both should find they have a lot in common as they both believe in a superior race that are above all other human beings, Jews believe that they are the superior race (it syas so in their text) and NAZIs believe that a certain breed of members of the teutonic race are above others.

:rolleyes:

You mean the Old Testament (that no Jews take literally and if we did you'd see us stoning people) that Christians also have as part of their Bible?
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 04:04
You have stated numerous times you want mass execution of Jews.
Prove it.

You also post conspiracy shit copied right from the Protocols.
Prove it.
IDF
22-10-2007, 04:48
Prove it.
You posted you wanted all Zionists executed. Well a Zionist by definition is anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist. Even Palestinians who want a 2 state solution are Zionists. It would be safe to say that 90+% of Jews are Zionists and YOU posted several times every single one of them should be killed.


Prove it.
Gee your post about AIPAC in this thread is a modern adaptation of several Jewish media conspiracies that Hitler, The Protocols, and Henry Ford used.

You also posted false Talmud quotes a few months ago which were forged for the Protocols.
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 04:56
You posted you wanted all Zionists executed. Well a Zionist by definition is anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist. Even Palestinians who want a 2 state solution are Zionists. It would be safe to say that 90+% of Jews are Zionists and YOU posted several times every single one of them should be killed.


Gee your post about AIPAC in this thread is a modern adaptation of several Jewish media conspiracies that Hitler, The Protocols, and Henry Ford used.

You also posted false Talmud quotes a few months ago which were forged for the Protocols.
Sorry dude, I am not seeing links.

And how is a Zionist an ethnic Jew, a Zionist is a ultrafascist ethnonationalist ideology, and those who advocate it are the apologists for murders of Palestinians, and advocate the Jewish colonialisation of the WB and region under the justification of a 'Greater Israel' and conquest.

The regime occupying Jerusalem (or 'Israel' as the Zionist demagogy call it) is not a country, it is a giant military barracks full of Zionazi murder troops, it is an client of US geostrategic aggression and imperialism in the Middle east.
IDF
22-10-2007, 05:16
Sorry dude, I am not seeing links.

And how is a Zionist an ethnic Jew, a Zionist is a ultrafascist ethnonationalist ideology, and those who advocate it are the apologists for murders of Palestinians, and advocate the Jewish colonialisation of the WB and region under the justification of a 'Greater Israel' and conquest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zionist
Dictionaries are your friend, unless you're an illiterate oaf.

A Zionist is anyone who believes Israel has a right to exist, and you want every single one of them killed. Thanks for wanting me dead, ass.

The regime occupying Jerusalem (or 'Israel' as the Zionist demagogy call it) is not a country, it is a giant military barracks full of Zionazi murder troops, it is an client of US geostrategic aggression and imperialism in the Middle east.LOL you are such a fool.
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 05:27
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zionist
Dictionaries are your friend, unless you're an illiterate oaf.

A Zionist is anyone who believes Israel has a right to exist, and you want every single one of them killed. Thanks for wanting me dead, ass.
LOL you are such a fool.
Yes a Zionist is someone who supports the notion of the Zionist State (just like the Fascist State), the Zionist State is a ethno-state built on a rigid messianic biblical irredentist extremism which purports a Jewish state by conquest and force of arms in the Galilee at the expense of the oppression and subjugation of the Palestinians (whom the earlier Zionist ideologues and first PM referred to as sub-human animals). Anyone who supports this is as guilty as a member of the Nazi Party, they are very much identical.
IDF
22-10-2007, 05:37
Yes a Zionist is someone who supports the notion of the Zionist State (just like the Fascist State), the Zionist State is a ethno-state built on a rigid messianic biblical irredentist extremism which purports a Jewish state by conquest and force of arms in the Galilee at the expense of the oppression and subjugation of the Palestinians (whom the earlier Zionist ideologues and first PM referred to as sub-human animals). Anyone who supports this is as guilty as a member of the Nazi Party, they are very much identical.

You are fool.

Zionism is supporting the existance of the state of Israel. Within that group there are about a dozen subdivisions. You label all Zionists in one group of being fascists. (This only proves your complete lack of knowledge on Zionism).

There are liberal Zionsits, socialist Zionists, conservative Zionists, religious Zionists, pacifist Zionists, etc. We had a Rabbi who was a total Zionist and went over to Israel at least twice a year. Each time he went, he helped organize a peace march with other Rabbis and Imams. I guess he was some sort of Nazi.
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 07:09
You are fool.

Zionism is supporting the existance of the state of Israel. Within that group there are about a dozen subdivisions. You label all Zionists in one group of being fascists. (This only proves your complete lack of knowledge on Zionism).

There are liberal Zionsits, socialist Zionists, conservative Zionists, religious Zionists, pacifist Zionists, etc. We had a Rabbi who was a total Zionist and went over to Israel at least twice a year. Each time he went, he helped organize a peace march with other Rabbis and Imams. I guess he was some sort of Nazi.

Being a Zionist and a socialist for an example is a total contradiction, one which I believe you fabricated, and it ignores the fundamentally racist and ultranationalist origins of Zionism and it's practical implementation: The oppression of the Palestinians and numerous atrocities of conquest against Arabs in the name of a far-right messianic political cult of war.
Trotskylvania
22-10-2007, 07:13
Being a Zionist and a socialist for an example is a total contradiction, one which I believe you fabricated, and it ignores the fundamentally racist and ultranationalist origins of Zionism and it's practical implementation: The oppression of the Palestinians and numerous atrocities of conquest against Arabs in the name of a far-right messianic political cult of war.

Thanks for excommunicating the Labor Zionists of the Kibbutzim, O Holy Pope of Socialism
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 07:19
Yep, Israel ranks 1st in number of college degrees per capita.

Zionist indoctrination camps no doubt, to tell the 'Israeli people' that Galilee was 'a desert barren land inhabited by primitive Arabs before the Jews return and the land flourished'. Both that and a strong emphasis of economics I expect.
Milchama
22-10-2007, 08:01
Ummmm... ok the only point of Zionism is to eliminate a race of people...?

Then why aren't the Palestinians dead? It's not like Israel doesn't have the resources to do that, considering all the stuff they have done and continue to do with terrorists and miscreants. I don't see why they couldn't put Palestinians in concentration camps, ala the Holocaust, and then kill them but they don't

You know why? because Zionism isn't about destroying people but establishing only a homeland in Israel. Look at these definitions from dictionary.com courtesy of wordnet

noun
1. a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine
2. a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine

If you see anywhere the words kill, destroy, hurt, maim, please tell me because then you are really good at reading in between lines.

One more thing you don't quote evidence while the rest of us do meaning that you are obviously losing as you need some evidence to back up any claim something which you do not have.
Andaras Prime
22-10-2007, 10:02
Ummmm... ok the only point of Zionism is to eliminate a race of people...?

Then why aren't the Palestinians dead? It's not like Israel doesn't have the resources to do that, considering all the stuff they have done and continue to do with terrorists and miscreants. I don't see why they couldn't put Palestinians in concentration camps, ala the Holocaust, and then kill them but they don't

You know why? because Zionism isn't about destroying people but establishing only a homeland in Israel. Look at these definitions from dictionary.com courtesy of wordnet

noun
1. a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine
2. a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine

If you see anywhere the words kill, destroy, hurt, maim, please tell me because then you are really good at reading in between lines.

One more thing you don't quote evidence while the rest of us do meaning that you are obviously losing as you need some evidence to back up any claim something which you do not have.

Your forgetting that every 'Israeli citizen' is essentially a conscript, the 'Israeli state' as it is so arrogantly called is a giant military barracks of tanks, planes, nukes and various weapons of murder in order to extend US geostrategic imperialist aggression into the region, the sustaining occupation of Jerusalem by Zionazi troops requires a continuation cycle of murder, intimidation and oppression of the Palestinians who's sovereign land is belongs to. Instead the land was brought out by rich Jews and murderous ethno-militias. Zionism in it's most simply maybe as you say a simply support of the Jewish ethno-fascist state, but in reality it's continuation requires these atrocities as a US client requires a continual flow of military money and arms. 'Israel' is a US military base.
Hamilay
22-10-2007, 11:43
Zionist indoctrination camps no doubt, to tell the 'Israeli people' that Galilee was 'a desert barren land inhabited by primitive Arabs before the Jews return and the land flourished'. Both that and a strong emphasis of economics I expect.

Your forgetting that every 'Israeli citizen' is essentially a conscript, the 'Israeli state' as it is so arrogantly called is a giant military barracks of tanks, planes, nukes and various weapons of murder in order to extend US geostrategic imperialist aggression into the region, the sustaining occupation of Jerusalem by Zionazi troops requires a continuation cycle of murder, intimidation and oppression of the Palestinians who's sovereign land is belongs to. Instead the land was brought out by rich Jews and murderous ethno-militias. Zionism in it's most simply maybe as you say a simply support of the Jewish ethno-fascist state, but in reality it's continuation requires these atrocities as a US client requires a continual flow of military money and arms. 'Israel' is a US military base.

Every day Andaras Prime puts forward more evidence that he's a troll. Look how many damn buzzwords there are in these posts. "OMG TEH IMPERIALISM MURDER AND AGGRESSION OF ZIONAZI ETHNOFASCIST J00S!" Ugh.

Israel spends $18.7 billion on its military and has the strongest economy in the region. Somehow I doubt that the withdrawal of the $3 billion or so the USA provides (which was less in the period when, you know, Israel was actually being invaded) will cause the Israeli military to collapse and allow the Glorious Liberation Armies of the surrounding Arab states to destroy the evil zionazi fascists.
Edwinasia
22-10-2007, 12:08
I believe the Jews are genetically superior to all other races. They certainly have a higher over-all intelligence.

Too bad I'm not one. :(

But they are so ugly...
Hamilay
22-10-2007, 12:19
But they are so ugly...

What (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_Johansson)you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Portman)say (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Leiabikini.jpg)!!
Nodinia
22-10-2007, 13:38
Being a Zionist and a socialist for an example is a total contradiction, one which I believe you fabricated,
.

Fucking clueless, aren't you.....


Zionist indoctrination camps no doubt, to tell the 'Israeli people' that Galilee was 'a desert barren land inhabited by primitive Arabs before the Jews return and the land flourished'. Both that and a strong emphasis of economics I expect.

emm, no again?
Andaluciae
22-10-2007, 13:41
Fucking clueless, aren't you.....






There's a really big reason that Israel was the darling of European Social-Democrats all the way up until they elected their first Likud government...
Mittea
22-10-2007, 13:42
What (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_Johansson)you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Portman)say (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Leiabikini.jpg)!!

Yeah, it helps your perception if your imagine of "the jew" isn't that of a filmposter from the Nazi blockbuster The Eternal Jew.
Nodinia
22-10-2007, 14:17
There's a really big reason that Israel was the darling of European Social-Democrats all the way up until they elected their first Likud government...

Unfortunately simplistic answers often "sell" well at the ballot box.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:14
And then there's the Jewish Mother questions:
Would it kill you to call your Mother more often?
When are you going to meet a nice girl and settle down?
When's the last time you came to temple?
You came into the city and didn't visit? What, do I need to be dying for you to come see us?WHAT THE F**K you racist bI***es Go home to your mom and start f ing her cuz youve nothing else better to do then be racist a holes wow you guys suck monkey balls:upyours:aww man.. such motherly love :D
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:18
Excuse me, OD have come up with the 19th century stuff.Prove it, use the Quote function.

BTW how come you have not yet accused people of being a Nazi/Hitler/H-Denier/Anti-Semite ??
are you on medication?
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:26
you have stated numerous times you want mass execution of Jews.
Bull Shit.

(AP) post ... the Protocols. so what?

You are a sick entity who isn't even worthy of being called human.You are the call them Nazi/Hitler/Anti-Semite all the time, you are the sick one. Go get your medication.
The Parkus Empire
22-10-2007, 15:28
I think you will find that it has more to do with their teaching methods than their intelligence.

Let's not forget Jews have the highest average I.Q. Are you going to tell me it's due to different tests?

Also if a Jew is going to have a debate with a NAZI then both should find they have a lot in common as they both believe in a superior race that are above all other human beings, Jews believe that they are the superior race (it syas so in their text) and NAZIs believe that a certain breed of members of the teutonic race are above others.

A difference? I believe the Jews are right. Another difference? Jews don't back the annihilation of other races, despite all that bull about Palestine. Another difference? If you really wanted to be considered Jewish, you could convert. Something "Aryans" won't allow you to do in their case.
The Atlantian islands
22-10-2007, 15:28
The regime occupying Jerusalem (or 'Israel' as the Zionist demagogy call it) is not a country, it is a giant military barracks full of Zionazi murder troops, it is an client of US geostrategic aggression and imperialism in the Middle east.
This makes me wonder...have you ever BEEN to Israel? Well I have and anyone else who also has will tell you that Israel is quite a real country, in fact it's a very technologically advanced nation and it is much more than a giant military barrack. God you're such a tool sometimes it's like you just close your eyes and just run your fingers over the keyboad just typing shit that isn't even remotely close to reality.

And oh, come on..."Zionazi"....you have to do better than that.:p

If you knew anything you'd know Zionist, by definition means someone who beleives the state of Israel should exist. Most of the world is a Zionist in this sense...or for instance...Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia...ect...all these nations that have officially acknowledged Israel's soverignty are Zionists....you do know that right?
Andaluciae
22-10-2007, 15:28
Does anyone else think the word "Jewry" is comic?
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:31
You have stated numerous times you want mass execution of Jews.

You also post conspiracy shit copied right from the Protocols.

You have proudly earned the title of NSG's Court Jester for a reason.LOL @ posts #79 & #80,

that the good old IDF.. repetition of posts slightly changed words, you can repeat it 200 times.. it still does not make it true.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:41
Israel is quite a real country, in fact it's a very technologically advanced nation and it is much more than a giant military barrack.fair enough.

Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia...ect...all these nations that have officially acknowledged Israel's soverigntytrue.

BTW, Atlantian, could you enlighten us about a silly question,
3 men, one says his race is Black, the other says his race is Caucasian , the other says his race is Semite, can the 3 of them convert? can they become Jews tomorrow?
Andaluciae
22-10-2007, 15:51
BTW, Atlantian, could you enlighten us about a silly question,
3 men, one says his race is Black, the other says his race is Caucasian , the other says his race is Semite, can the 3 of the convert? can they become Jews tomorrow?

I can answer this one. Because, it depends on the sect, really.

Some won't allow anyone in unless their mother was Jewish, some allow anyone in.

And more than that, not all Jews are Semitic: See the Ethiopian Jewish population.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 15:56
I can answer this one....



was that a Yes or on a No?

can these 3 men from 3 different races become jews?
The Atlantian islands
22-10-2007, 15:57
BTW, Atlantian, could you enlighten us about a silly question,
3 men, one says his race is Black, the other says his race is Caucasian , the other says his race is Semite, can the 3 of the convert? can they become Jews tomorrow?

Anyway, can become a Jew by converting, yes. The only variable is, depending on how conservative the sect is that they are converting into. For instance, the most conservative sects will discourage conversion unless the convert-to-be truley proves he is "capable of being a Jew" because these Conservatives do not just want anyone to convert...only those that are really serious about the religion...well...because they're conservative and they're really serious about the religion.:p

A Jew can be of any race. European, Arab, Black, Asian...ect..and I've seen them all.
The Parkus Empire
22-10-2007, 15:58
BTW, Atlantian, could you enlighten us about a silly question,
3 men, one says his race is Black, the other says his race is Caucasian , the other says his race is Semite, can the 3 of the convert? can they become Jews tomorrow?

I'm not Jewish, but I have read-up on the matter. Jews don't have "Las Vegas conversions" like most religions. It can take months to convert, or even years, depending.
The Parkus Empire
22-10-2007, 15:58
...



was that a Yes or on a No?

can these 3 men from 3 different races become jews?

Yes.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 16:01
Yes.A Jew can be of any race. European, Arab, Black, Asian...ect..and I've seen them all.Thanks.
Liminus
22-10-2007, 16:16
Let's not forget Jews have the highest average I.Q. Are you going to tell me it's due to different tests?

Actually, yes, it is. The vast majority of Jews receive Western educations and, for historical reasons I mentioned way back, Jewish culture highly values higher education, more-so than many other cultures. In that light, it would make sense that Jews would, on average, score higher on IQ tests than others.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 16:50
Actually, yes, it is. The vast majority of Jews receive Western educations and, for historical reasons I mentioned way back, Jewish culture highly values higher education, more-so than many other cultures. In that light, it would make sense that Jews would, on average, score higher on IQ tests than others.I was under the Impression that Asians (Japanese, Koreans,etc) had the highest scores.
Liminus
22-10-2007, 17:01
I was under the Impression that Asians (Japanese, Koreans,etc) had the highest scores.

I have no idea, I was just showing why Jews scoring higher on IQ tests doesn't mean that the tests still aren't inherently skewed towards certain cultures, even if it is an unintentional skew.

I do recall that Asians and Jews are tied for highest college attendance and completion rates in the US, but I don't have the statistic on hand, of course.
Andaluciae
22-10-2007, 17:25
...



was that a Yes or on a No?

can these 3 men from 3 different races become jews?

If it's the Jewish-Phelpsian types, like Neturei Karta, likely not any of them. If it's anyone more liberal than that, probably if their mother was Jewish.
The Parkus Empire
22-10-2007, 17:53
I was under the Impression that Asians (Japanese, Koreans,etc) had the highest scores.

Second highest. Jewish I.Q. is 7-17 points above white on average. Asians have about 5, or so above white on average.
IDF
22-10-2007, 20:46
Zionist indoctrination camps no doubt, to tell the 'Israeli people' that Galilee was 'a desert barren land inhabited by primitive Arabs before the Jews return and the land flourished'. Both that and a strong emphasis of economics I expect.
I don't think I need any further proof that AP is an anti-semite.

Oh and OD, I have pointed out in the past several times where you denied the Holocaust and claimed Jewish control of the media. I don't need to use the search function because 90+% of the members of this forum have a memory and have seen the posts for themselves. We all know you are an anti-semite so I shouldn't have to waste my time to prove what everyone already knows. Notice how all of Israel's critics on this board try to distance themselves from you.
Bottle
22-10-2007, 20:53
Does anyone else think the word "Jewry" is comic?
Very. Mainly because "jewry" is how people pronounce "jewelry" in my home town.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 21:02
We all know you are an anti-semite LOL.. you say can read the minds of all? Prove it with a Poll.
South Lorenya
22-10-2007, 21:13
"Being jewish" isn't a race anymore than "being six feet tall" is a race.
Corneliu 2
22-10-2007, 21:15
It is rather depressing to see people with a western education coming out with this 19th century crap. And its not just young idiots either, sad to say.

agreed.
Corneliu 2
22-10-2007, 21:17
I have no qualms on a biological basis with Jews as you suggest, I simply have a problem with the brutal ultranationalist ethnostate ideology of Zionism, and in general it's hideous creation the Holocaust Memorial Museum (otherwise known as 'Israel').

And here we have Andaras Prime. An anti-semite that no longer posts. Now let me see...oh yes, he is also a holocaust denier. Oh and another point! Zionism is wanting a homeland. Nothing wrong with that.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 21:18
I don't need to use the search function because 90+% of the members of this forum ....I did not ask you to use the Search function, I asked you to prove it with the QUOTE FUNCTION. Its very easy to do.

The beauty of the quote function is that I can prove you are lying in 3 easy steps.
Let me show how it works:
...

Step #1, Here you are posting a false accusation (Blatant Lie)Excuse me... OD have come up with the 19th century stuff (protocols something).
.
Step #2, Here as a direct reply to the post above,I ask you to prove it with the-easy-to-use-Quote-function :Prove it, use the Quote function.
.
Step #3, Here you are using silly excuses but you are NOT using the-easy-to-use-Quote-function to prove I ever posted anything about some 19th century scrollsWe all know you are an anti-semite so I shouldn't have to waste my time to prove what ....

So.. why you are not using the the-very-easy-to-use-Quote-function to prove you are not a liar?
Because you cant.
Corneliu 2
22-10-2007, 21:25
Being a Zionist and a socialist for an example is a total contradiction, one which I believe you fabricated, and it ignores the fundamentally racist and ultranationalist origins of Zionism and it's practical implementation: The oppression of the Palestinians and numerous atrocities of conquest against Arabs in the name of a far-right messianic political cult of war.

Oh brother. :rolleyes: This guy never gets boring.
IDF
22-10-2007, 21:43
LOL.. you say can read the minds of all? Prove it with a Poll.Give me explicit permission to do so and I will do it later tonight after I go to some engineering meetings.
OceanDrive2
22-10-2007, 21:56
Give me explicit permission to do so and I will do it later tonight after I go to some engineering meetings.Sure, 2 conditions.
#1, NOT anonymous. I am curious to see how people votes :D
#2, It has to include the 3 neutral options "Myrth" , "meh (Who cares)" and "I dont know".
IDF
22-10-2007, 22:06
Sure, 2 conditions.
#1, NOT anonymous. I am curious to see how people votes :D
#2, It has to include the 3 neutral options "Myrth" , "Who cares" and "I dont know".

Deal. I'll post it later (possibly as late as midnight)
Mirkana
22-10-2007, 23:19
I was going to add something, but it looks like AP has launched an anti-Zionist diatribe.

Zionism is merely the belief that the Jews should get a homeland in the Holy Land. Today, it means that one supports the existence of the State of Israel. It doesn't mandate the killing or oppression of anyone. And a lot of people would be surprised by your statement that socialism and Zionism are incompatible, given how many Zionists were also Socialists.

And Israel was mostly a barren desert before the Zionist settlers arrived, bought the land from the local Arab landlords (at really high prices, too), and proceeded to work their asses off. They made the land fertile, and today, Israel exports large quantities of foodstuffs.

Read Mark Twain's description of Palestine. Then find some pictures of modern Israel. Or even visit the country yourself. Compare and contrast. You will see that there has been a huge change. Mind you, it's still a desert. Nothing's going to change that.
United Beleriand
22-10-2007, 23:44
And Israel was mostly a barren desert before the Zionist settlers arrived,...Does that mean that since Nevada is mostly a barren desert, someone could just come, claim, and take it?
IDF
23-10-2007, 00:09
Since the mods won't allow the poll, I'll just post the evidence against OD.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458338
## Jewish Senator(D) Lieberman Set to Replace Rumsfeld?
That title is clearly showing OD’s anti-semitism. This is one of the several instances where OD has expressed his anti-semitism through implying Jewish control of the world, media, money, etc
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9065937&postcount=43
Those Jews with their little Jew horns control the media with their money.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9070016&postcount=51
More of “Jews control world’s money and media”

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753080&postcount=1
Apparantly Sarkozy (who isn't actually Jewish) is Jewish and part of the mass conspiracy to take over the world.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753080&postcount=1
Sarkozy isn’t Jewish, but I’ll make a big deal about a rumor that he is so I can scare the world into believing J00z are after me.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493542
Intentional misreporting of facts: Nasrallah himself said that he ordered the Hezbollah raid across Israel’s border.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491765
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11359363&postcount=1
I don’t think the targeting of weapons on civilians is something to be celebrated with exclamation points
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494441
So supporting Israel in a war that was fought through proxy by Iran is treason
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498949
Them ebil J00z control the media and are taking over our minds
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520143
I have no proof but them Jews are behind everything.

There are your quotes OD: GAME, SET, MATCH

The best part about the Sarkozy thread is this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753092&postcount=2
And you wonder why IDF calls you an anti-Semite... :rolleyes:

It's spelt Sarkozy by the way.
South Lorenya
23-10-2007, 00:31
Godwin is currently rolling in his gra-- bed (yes, he's still alive).
Corneliu 2
23-10-2007, 01:07
They won't allow the poll? Damn. Alwell. One does not need poll to know that OD is an anti-semite :D
Mirkana
23-10-2007, 01:31
Does that mean that since Nevada is mostly a barren desert, someone could just come, claim, and take it?

They could buy the land from whoever owns it. That is how the Jews got land for their settlements - they bought it fair and square.

And, IDF, while I get your point that OceanDrive/OcceanDrive/OceanDrive3 is an anti-Semite (I knew that), I have not seen any anti-Semitic behavior on OceanDrive2's part - as far as I can tell, he seems to be a different person (albeit with an extremely similar name to an anti-Semite). So don't lump him in with AP and UB. We have enough enemies on these forums as it is.
IDF
23-10-2007, 01:39
They could buy the land from whoever owns it. That is how the Jews got land for their settlements - they bought it fair and square.

And, IDF, while I get your point that OceanDrive/OcceanDrive/OceanDrive3 is an anti-Semite (I knew that), I have not seen any anti-Semitic behavior on OceanDrive2's part - as far as I can tell, he seems to be a different person (albeit with an extremely similar name to an anti-Semite). So don't lump him in with AP and UB. We have enough enemies on these forums as it is.

He is very much the same person. He created his OD3 account when he couldn't get into OD2 because it was locked due to his failure to log onto NS for 30 days.

He is the exact same person.

If you want evidence, look at the ## he uses to start threads, look at his style of posting, and look for the thread in moderation where he asked about OD2 being deleted? (the thread was by OD3 and themods answered his question saying they would restore it and he had log in every 30 days). He is the same poster.
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 03:04
And, IDF, while I get your point that OceanDrive/OcceanDrive/OceanDrive3 is an anti-Semite (I knew that), I have not seen any anti-Semitic behavior on OceanDrive2's part - as far as I can tell, he seems to be a different person (albeit with an extremely similar name to an anti-Semite). So don't lump him in with AP and UB. We have enough enemies on these forums as it is.I am the one and only oceanDrive/Occeandrive
I am the one IDF calls Nazi/Holocaust-Denier/Anti-semite ..
his repetitive Godwhining makes me laugh :D
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 03:09
Since the mods won't allow the poll, I'll just post the evidence against OD.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458338
## Jewish Senator(D) Lieberman Set to Replace Rumsfeld?
That title is clearly showing OD’s anti-semitism. This is one of the several instances where OD has expressed his anti-semitism through implying Jewish control of the world, media, money, etc
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9065937&postcount=43
Those Jews with their little Jew horns control the media with their money.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9070016&postcount=51
More of “Jews control world’s money and media”

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753080&postcount=1
Apparantly Sarkozy (who isn't actually Jewish) is Jewish and part of the mass conspiracy to take over the world.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753080&postcount=1
Sarkozy isn’t Jewish, but I’ll make a big deal about a rumor that he is so I can scare the world into believing J00z are after me.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493542
Intentional misreporting of facts: Nasrallah himself said that he ordered the Hezbollah raid across Israel’s border.
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491765
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11359363&postcount=1
I don’t think the targeting of weapons on civilians is something to be celebrated with exclamation points
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494441
So supporting Israel in a war that was fought through proxy by Iran is treason
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498949
Them ebil J00z control the media and are taking over our minds
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520143
I have no proof but them Jews are behind everything.

There are your quotes OD: GAME, SET, MATCH

The best part about the Sarkozy thread is this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753092&postcount=2

So IDF, how is your "OceanDrive-is-a-Nazi-Anti-semite" campaign going? :D
Did you manage to get a few hundred peoples to join your pathetic Godwhining?
What was the Poll score %s before they Lock it? I am sure some people manged to vote before the Lock.
IDF
23-10-2007, 05:23
So IDF, how is your "OceanDrive-is-a-Nazi-Anti-semite" campaign going? :D
Did you manage to get a few hundred peoples to join your pathetic Godwhining?
What was the Poll score %s before they Lock it? I am sure some people manged to vote before the Lock.

It isn't Godwinning when you yourself are a pathetic Nazi.

For your next post why don't you try to defend yourself for a change or are you going to continue to act like a 5 year old?

Here's a nice qoute from RLI in your Sarkozy thread.
And you wonder why IDF calls you an anti-Semite... :rolleyes:

It's spelt Sarkozy by the way.

If I may take a more humorous point, I have figured out Occean's true identity.

http://blog.mix971.net/mixmovies/Borat-flag.jpg
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 06:15
If I may take a more humorous point, I have figured out Occean's true identity.

http://blog.mix971.net/mixmovies/Borat-flag.jpg:D got pussy magnet?

On a side note, you know Sacha Baron (Borat) is Jewish...

rite?
The Alma Mater
23-10-2007, 06:25
:D got pussy magnet?

On a side note, you know Sacha Baron (Borat) is Jewish...

rite?

Jews can be anti-Semites too ;)
IDF
23-10-2007, 06:36
:D got pussy magnet?

On a side note, you know Sacha Baron (Borat) is Jewish...

rite?

I think everyone already knows that.


Now when are you going to defend yourself and not act like a 5 year old?
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 06:40
Jews can be anti-Semites too ;)of course they can,

example: IDF is very anti-Semite.
IDF hates Semites so much.. they should call the Blue Helmets to protect the Semites from IDF.
IDF
23-10-2007, 06:42
of course they can,

example: IDF is very anti-Semite.
IDF hates Semites so much.. they should call the Blue Helmets to protect the Semites from IDF.

Will you grow up and not act like a baby?

You asked me to provide quotes, I did so, now you're just being a tool.
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 06:43
Now when are you going to defend yourself Defend me of what.. you?

LOL.. you are like a chiuahua dog -sans teeth- desperately trying to dent my shoes. :D:D:cool::D
IDF
23-10-2007, 06:55
Defend me of what.. you?

LOL.. you are like a chiuahua dog -sans teeth- desperately trying to dent my shoes. :D:D:cool::DI guess you do have nothing to defend. Afterall, Himmler was probably proud of his hatred of Jews, just as you are.
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 07:00
Afterall, Himmler was probably proud of his hatred of Jews, just as you are. just as you are.First: I dont hate Jews. (I told you already the first time you called me Nazi-Anti-Semite.. years ago)

Second: I am not Himmler.

But -to tell you that- is a waste of time.
So whatever.
Trotskylvania
23-10-2007, 07:05
I'm going to begin debating with this Nazi about the Jewish question, my stance is that a race (whither or not race exists) can't be geniticly evil...

are the passages in this video real? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbScvn5WNcs

edit: I think it's probably an interpretation in an area where Jews were opressed by Christians

edit again: Why am I doing it? For laughs

A more important issue is why you are even bothering arguing with a Nazi. Most are so closed off to reason that it is no use arguing with them. Let their little dreams of a Master Race find fertile ground...alone...completely ignored.
IDF
23-10-2007, 07:06
First:I dont hate Jews. (I told you already the first time you called me Nazi.. years ago)



Bullshit

Until you can explain these posts and try to defend yourself, you will be seen by me and a vast majority of the posters on this board as anti-semitic filth.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13156501&postcount=133
OceanDrive2
23-10-2007, 07:09
Until you can explain these posts and try to defend yourself, you will be seen by me and a vast majority of the posters on this board as anti-semitic filth.Remember last time you claimed to know what is in the mind of the vast majority of NSG posters??
The poll you posted trying to prove your mind-reading-powers.. went like this: 6 people voted, and only you (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=541417) voted to agree with youtself :D

Now you claim to know how "the vast majority" of NSG will react to my every move?
You never learn.. do you?


...
BullshitW-h-a-t-e-v-e-r.
United Beleriand
23-10-2007, 10:01
They could buy the land from whoever owns it. That is how the Jews got land for their settlements - they bought it fair and square.Only about 8% of it.
Nodinia
23-10-2007, 15:44
I was going to add something, but it looks like AP has launched an anti-Zionist diatribe.

Zionism is merely the belief that the Jews should get a homeland in the Holy Land. Today, it means that one supports the existence of the State of Israel. It doesn't mandate the killing or oppression of anyone. And a lot of people would be surprised by your statement that socialism and Zionism are incompatible, given how many Zionists were also Socialists.'
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True.


And Israel was mostly a barren desert before the Zionist settlers arrived, bought the land from the local Arab landlords (at really high prices, too), and proceeded to work their asses off. They made the land fertile, and today, Israel exports large quantities of foodstuffs..

They bought a total of 400,000 Dunums which is equal to 8% of what was the total area. Its nonsense to say they "made the land fertile" because Palestines exports were in origin over 80% Arab grown by 1946. Its all in the UN survey, and I've posted it here often enough for you to have read it at least fucking once. You arent going to win an argument against anti-semitic shite by throwing shite of slightly different shade back.


Read Mark Twain's description of Palestine. Then find some pictures of modern Israel.

He arrived in the mid-summer. He said much the same of Greece. Its taken out of context, ignores certain facts and again, is colonial "there was nothing here before we whipped the darkies" bolloxology.
Mirkana
23-10-2007, 17:48
True.



They bought a total of 400,000 Dunums which is equal to 8% of what was the total area. Its nonsense to say they "made the land fertile" because Palestines exports were in origin over 80% Arab grown by 1946. Its all in the UN survey, and I've posted it here often enough for you to have read it at least fucking once. You arent going to win an argument against anti-semitic shite by throwing shite of slightly different shade back.



He arrived in the mid-summer. He said much the same of Greece. Its taken out of context, ignores certain facts and again, is colonial "there was nothing here before we whipped the darkies" bolloxology.

I've never seen those figures before - maybe I'm just lazy and didn't click on the links.
Nodinia
23-10-2007, 19:23
I've never seen those figures before - maybe I'm just lazy and didn't click on the links.

Well now you know. Go forth, read a book on the subject. If it happens again there'll be a note home.